87 YJ
12-26-2006, 05:33 PM
#151
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Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
Shackle lifts look dumb too. If you don't have the money to do it right,
then don't do it.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45915081.95E9F413@sympatico.ca...
> You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
>
> Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
>
> You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> these for the shims.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
> The Merg wrote:
> >
> > Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> > shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
> > '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
> > stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> >
> > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> >
> > The Merg wrote:
> > > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't get
> > > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> > >
> > >
> > > billy ray wrote:
> > > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> > > >
> > > >
http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> > > >
> > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed to
have
> > > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for a
bit
> > > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it
in
> > > > > neutral?
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for
TC
> > > > > maintenance.
> > > > >
> > > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
new
> > > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
just
> > > > > have to find the install cds again.
> > > > >
> > > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> > > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
neutral, but
> > > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil when
driven
> > > > >> by
> > > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are
instructed to tow
> > > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and
the TC in
> > > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
have
> > > > >> problems
> > > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing you
could
> > > > >> have
> > > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
shift
> > > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
take our
> > > > >> rigs
> > > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
You could
> > > > >> of
> > > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who own
these
> > > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Earle
> > > > >
then don't do it.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45915081.95E9F413@sympatico.ca...
> You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
>
> Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
>
> You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> these for the shims.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
> The Merg wrote:
> >
> > Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> > shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
> > '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
> > stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> >
> > http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> >
> > The Merg wrote:
> > > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't get
> > > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> > >
> > >
> > > billy ray wrote:
> > > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> > > >
> > > >
http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> > > >
> > > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed to
have
> > > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for a
bit
> > > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it
in
> > > > > neutral?
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for
TC
> > > > > maintenance.
> > > > >
> > > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
new
> > > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
just
> > > > > have to find the install cds again.
> > > > >
> > > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> > > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
neutral, but
> > > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil when
driven
> > > > >> by
> > > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are
instructed to tow
> > > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and
the TC in
> > > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
have
> > > > >> problems
> > > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing you
could
> > > > >> have
> > > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
shift
> > > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
take our
> > > > >> rigs
> > > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
You could
> > > > >> of
> > > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who own
these
> > > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Earle
> > > > >
12-26-2006, 07:34 PM
#152
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 87 YJ
Simon,
Looks really nice. Did you re-weld the pinch welds in the rear
fenderwells?
Carl
"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
message news:MPqdnSFGtOrM0AzYnZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@rcn.net...
> Carl wrote:
>> XJ's are a ton of fun and dirt cheap to buy and build. An XJ with a 3.5"
>> lift and 31" tires can do a LOT of fun trails. Later on, you can boost it
>> to 5.5" for around $150 with coil spring spacers, 1.25" shack;e and .75"
>> block. and run 33" tires.
>
> Or just cut the fenders like mine and run 33's on the 3.5" Rubicon Express
> lift.
>
> Lots of clearance, and if done with care it's hard to tell it didn't come
> from the factory that way:
>
> most recent shot
> http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ont1202dn4.jpg
>
> close shot, also notice the cowl induction hood, I did a write up for the
> hood build (it's home brew) which is on naxja.com forums. The cut at the
> fender is clean enough that many people don't even notice it doesn't have
> fender flares.
> http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?i...decloseul3.jpg
>
> longer view a while back before I did the hood and blacked out the red
> stripe, added new style emblems etc. my other favorite toy is in the BG.
> write ups for fender triming (and/or major surgery) are all over the naxja
> forums
> http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?i...tiblingwo4.jpg
>
> BTW This is my 94 with 4.6 stoker, RE 3.5" lift, home brew cold air/Cowl
> induction intake, 4.56 gears, front Detroit true trac, rear 8.25 axle with
> upgraded factory LSD. ZJ disk brake conversion (front and rear disks) and
> a hundred other oddball custom bits.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
Looks really nice. Did you re-weld the pinch welds in the rear
fenderwells?
Carl
"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
message news:MPqdnSFGtOrM0AzYnZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@rcn.net...
> Carl wrote:
>> XJ's are a ton of fun and dirt cheap to buy and build. An XJ with a 3.5"
>> lift and 31" tires can do a LOT of fun trails. Later on, you can boost it
>> to 5.5" for around $150 with coil spring spacers, 1.25" shack;e and .75"
>> block. and run 33" tires.
>
> Or just cut the fenders like mine and run 33's on the 3.5" Rubicon Express
> lift.
>
> Lots of clearance, and if done with care it's hard to tell it didn't come
> from the factory that way:
>
> most recent shot
> http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ont1202dn4.jpg
>
> close shot, also notice the cowl induction hood, I did a write up for the
> hood build (it's home brew) which is on naxja.com forums. The cut at the
> fender is clean enough that many people don't even notice it doesn't have
> fender flares.
> http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?i...decloseul3.jpg
>
> longer view a while back before I did the hood and blacked out the red
> stripe, added new style emblems etc. my other favorite toy is in the BG.
> write ups for fender triming (and/or major surgery) are all over the naxja
> forums
> http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?i...tiblingwo4.jpg
>
> BTW This is my 94 with 4.6 stoker, RE 3.5" lift, home brew cold air/Cowl
> induction intake, 4.56 gears, front Detroit true trac, rear 8.25 axle with
> upgraded factory LSD. ZJ disk brake conversion (front and rear disks) and
> a hundred other oddball custom bits.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
12-26-2006, 07:34 PM
#153
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 87 YJ
Simon,
Looks really nice. Did you re-weld the pinch welds in the rear
fenderwells?
Carl
"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
message news:MPqdnSFGtOrM0AzYnZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@rcn.net...
> Carl wrote:
>> XJ's are a ton of fun and dirt cheap to buy and build. An XJ with a 3.5"
>> lift and 31" tires can do a LOT of fun trails. Later on, you can boost it
>> to 5.5" for around $150 with coil spring spacers, 1.25" shack;e and .75"
>> block. and run 33" tires.
>
> Or just cut the fenders like mine and run 33's on the 3.5" Rubicon Express
> lift.
>
> Lots of clearance, and if done with care it's hard to tell it didn't come
> from the factory that way:
>
> most recent shot
> http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ont1202dn4.jpg
>
> close shot, also notice the cowl induction hood, I did a write up for the
> hood build (it's home brew) which is on naxja.com forums. The cut at the
> fender is clean enough that many people don't even notice it doesn't have
> fender flares.
> http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?i...decloseul3.jpg
>
> longer view a while back before I did the hood and blacked out the red
> stripe, added new style emblems etc. my other favorite toy is in the BG.
> write ups for fender triming (and/or major surgery) are all over the naxja
> forums
> http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?i...tiblingwo4.jpg
>
> BTW This is my 94 with 4.6 stoker, RE 3.5" lift, home brew cold air/Cowl
> induction intake, 4.56 gears, front Detroit true trac, rear 8.25 axle with
> upgraded factory LSD. ZJ disk brake conversion (front and rear disks) and
> a hundred other oddball custom bits.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
Looks really nice. Did you re-weld the pinch welds in the rear
fenderwells?
Carl
"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
message news:MPqdnSFGtOrM0AzYnZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@rcn.net...
> Carl wrote:
>> XJ's are a ton of fun and dirt cheap to buy and build. An XJ with a 3.5"
>> lift and 31" tires can do a LOT of fun trails. Later on, you can boost it
>> to 5.5" for around $150 with coil spring spacers, 1.25" shack;e and .75"
>> block. and run 33" tires.
>
> Or just cut the fenders like mine and run 33's on the 3.5" Rubicon Express
> lift.
>
> Lots of clearance, and if done with care it's hard to tell it didn't come
> from the factory that way:
>
> most recent shot
> http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ont1202dn4.jpg
>
> close shot, also notice the cowl induction hood, I did a write up for the
> hood build (it's home brew) which is on naxja.com forums. The cut at the
> fender is clean enough that many people don't even notice it doesn't have
> fender flares.
> http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?i...decloseul3.jpg
>
> longer view a while back before I did the hood and blacked out the red
> stripe, added new style emblems etc. my other favorite toy is in the BG.
> write ups for fender triming (and/or major surgery) are all over the naxja
> forums
> http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?i...tiblingwo4.jpg
>
> BTW This is my 94 with 4.6 stoker, RE 3.5" lift, home brew cold air/Cowl
> induction intake, 4.56 gears, front Detroit true trac, rear 8.25 axle with
> upgraded factory LSD. ZJ disk brake conversion (front and rear disks) and
> a hundred other oddball custom bits.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
12-26-2006, 07:34 PM
#154
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 87 YJ
Simon,
Looks really nice. Did you re-weld the pinch welds in the rear
fenderwells?
Carl
"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
message news:MPqdnSFGtOrM0AzYnZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@rcn.net...
> Carl wrote:
>> XJ's are a ton of fun and dirt cheap to buy and build. An XJ with a 3.5"
>> lift and 31" tires can do a LOT of fun trails. Later on, you can boost it
>> to 5.5" for around $150 with coil spring spacers, 1.25" shack;e and .75"
>> block. and run 33" tires.
>
> Or just cut the fenders like mine and run 33's on the 3.5" Rubicon Express
> lift.
>
> Lots of clearance, and if done with care it's hard to tell it didn't come
> from the factory that way:
>
> most recent shot
> http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ont1202dn4.jpg
>
> close shot, also notice the cowl induction hood, I did a write up for the
> hood build (it's home brew) which is on naxja.com forums. The cut at the
> fender is clean enough that many people don't even notice it doesn't have
> fender flares.
> http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?i...decloseul3.jpg
>
> longer view a while back before I did the hood and blacked out the red
> stripe, added new style emblems etc. my other favorite toy is in the BG.
> write ups for fender triming (and/or major surgery) are all over the naxja
> forums
> http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?i...tiblingwo4.jpg
>
> BTW This is my 94 with 4.6 stoker, RE 3.5" lift, home brew cold air/Cowl
> induction intake, 4.56 gears, front Detroit true trac, rear 8.25 axle with
> upgraded factory LSD. ZJ disk brake conversion (front and rear disks) and
> a hundred other oddball custom bits.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
Looks really nice. Did you re-weld the pinch welds in the rear
fenderwells?
Carl
"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
message news:MPqdnSFGtOrM0AzYnZ2dnUVZ_vqpnZ2d@rcn.net...
> Carl wrote:
>> XJ's are a ton of fun and dirt cheap to buy and build. An XJ with a 3.5"
>> lift and 31" tires can do a LOT of fun trails. Later on, you can boost it
>> to 5.5" for around $150 with coil spring spacers, 1.25" shack;e and .75"
>> block. and run 33" tires.
>
> Or just cut the fenders like mine and run 33's on the 3.5" Rubicon Express
> lift.
>
> Lots of clearance, and if done with care it's hard to tell it didn't come
> from the factory that way:
>
> most recent shot
> http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ont1202dn4.jpg
>
> close shot, also notice the cowl induction hood, I did a write up for the
> hood build (it's home brew) which is on naxja.com forums. The cut at the
> fender is clean enough that many people don't even notice it doesn't have
> fender flares.
> http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?i...decloseul3.jpg
>
> longer view a while back before I did the hood and blacked out the red
> stripe, added new style emblems etc. my other favorite toy is in the BG.
> write ups for fender triming (and/or major surgery) are all over the naxja
> forums
> http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?i...tiblingwo4.jpg
>
> BTW This is my 94 with 4.6 stoker, RE 3.5" lift, home brew cold air/Cowl
> induction intake, 4.56 gears, front Detroit true trac, rear 8.25 axle with
> upgraded factory LSD. ZJ disk brake conversion (front and rear disks) and
> a hundred other oddball custom bits.
>
> --
> Simon
> "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein
12-26-2006, 07:36 PM
#155
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
Mike,
A friend had a 94 YJ, SOA on stock springs. I had an 89 YJ SOA with 1" lift
shackles. I could out flex him on any obstacle at any time because my
springs could actually move around.
I can't comment on the alignment issue, as I custom set up my castor angles
when I did the SOA lift.
Carl
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45915081.95E9F413@sympatico.ca...
> You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
>
> Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
>
> You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> these for the shims.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
> The Merg wrote:
>>
>> Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
>> shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
>> '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
>> stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
>>
>> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
>>
>> The Merg wrote:
>> > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't get
>> > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
>> >
>> >
>> > billy ray wrote:
>> > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
>> > >
>> > > http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
>> > >
>> > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>> > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed to
>> > > >have
>> > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for a
>> > > > bit
>> > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it in
>> > > > neutral?
>> > > >
>> > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for TC
>> > > > maintenance.
>> > > >
>> > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
>> > > > new
>> > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
>> > > > just
>> > > > have to find the install cds again.
>> > > >
>> > > > Earle Horton wrote:
>> > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
>> > > >> neutral, but
>> > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil when
>> > > >> driven
>> > > >> by
>> > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are instructed
>> > > >> to tow
>> > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and the
>> > > >> TC in
>> > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
>> > > >> have
>> > > >> problems
>> > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing you
>> > > >> could
>> > > >> have
>> > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
>> > > >> shift
>> > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
>> > > >> take our
>> > > >> rigs
>> > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
>> > > >> You could
>> > > >> of
>> > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who own
>> > > >> these
>> > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Earle
>> > > >
A friend had a 94 YJ, SOA on stock springs. I had an 89 YJ SOA with 1" lift
shackles. I could out flex him on any obstacle at any time because my
springs could actually move around.
I can't comment on the alignment issue, as I custom set up my castor angles
when I did the SOA lift.
Carl
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45915081.95E9F413@sympatico.ca...
> You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
>
> Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
>
> You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> these for the shims.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
> The Merg wrote:
>>
>> Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
>> shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
>> '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
>> stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
>>
>> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
>>
>> The Merg wrote:
>> > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't get
>> > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
>> >
>> >
>> > billy ray wrote:
>> > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
>> > >
>> > > http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
>> > >
>> > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>> > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed to
>> > > >have
>> > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for a
>> > > > bit
>> > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it in
>> > > > neutral?
>> > > >
>> > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for TC
>> > > > maintenance.
>> > > >
>> > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
>> > > > new
>> > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
>> > > > just
>> > > > have to find the install cds again.
>> > > >
>> > > > Earle Horton wrote:
>> > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
>> > > >> neutral, but
>> > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil when
>> > > >> driven
>> > > >> by
>> > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are instructed
>> > > >> to tow
>> > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and the
>> > > >> TC in
>> > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
>> > > >> have
>> > > >> problems
>> > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing you
>> > > >> could
>> > > >> have
>> > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
>> > > >> shift
>> > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
>> > > >> take our
>> > > >> rigs
>> > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
>> > > >> You could
>> > > >> of
>> > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who own
>> > > >> these
>> > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Earle
>> > > >
12-26-2006, 07:36 PM
#156
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
Mike,
A friend had a 94 YJ, SOA on stock springs. I had an 89 YJ SOA with 1" lift
shackles. I could out flex him on any obstacle at any time because my
springs could actually move around.
I can't comment on the alignment issue, as I custom set up my castor angles
when I did the SOA lift.
Carl
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45915081.95E9F413@sympatico.ca...
> You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
>
> Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
>
> You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> these for the shims.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
> The Merg wrote:
>>
>> Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
>> shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
>> '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
>> stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
>>
>> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
>>
>> The Merg wrote:
>> > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't get
>> > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
>> >
>> >
>> > billy ray wrote:
>> > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
>> > >
>> > > http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
>> > >
>> > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>> > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed to
>> > > >have
>> > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for a
>> > > > bit
>> > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it in
>> > > > neutral?
>> > > >
>> > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for TC
>> > > > maintenance.
>> > > >
>> > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
>> > > > new
>> > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
>> > > > just
>> > > > have to find the install cds again.
>> > > >
>> > > > Earle Horton wrote:
>> > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
>> > > >> neutral, but
>> > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil when
>> > > >> driven
>> > > >> by
>> > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are instructed
>> > > >> to tow
>> > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and the
>> > > >> TC in
>> > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
>> > > >> have
>> > > >> problems
>> > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing you
>> > > >> could
>> > > >> have
>> > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
>> > > >> shift
>> > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
>> > > >> take our
>> > > >> rigs
>> > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
>> > > >> You could
>> > > >> of
>> > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who own
>> > > >> these
>> > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Earle
>> > > >
A friend had a 94 YJ, SOA on stock springs. I had an 89 YJ SOA with 1" lift
shackles. I could out flex him on any obstacle at any time because my
springs could actually move around.
I can't comment on the alignment issue, as I custom set up my castor angles
when I did the SOA lift.
Carl
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45915081.95E9F413@sympatico.ca...
> You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
>
> Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
>
> You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> these for the shims.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
> The Merg wrote:
>>
>> Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
>> shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
>> '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
>> stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
>>
>> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
>>
>> The Merg wrote:
>> > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't get
>> > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
>> >
>> >
>> > billy ray wrote:
>> > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
>> > >
>> > > http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
>> > >
>> > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>> > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed to
>> > > >have
>> > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for a
>> > > > bit
>> > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it in
>> > > > neutral?
>> > > >
>> > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for TC
>> > > > maintenance.
>> > > >
>> > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
>> > > > new
>> > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
>> > > > just
>> > > > have to find the install cds again.
>> > > >
>> > > > Earle Horton wrote:
>> > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
>> > > >> neutral, but
>> > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil when
>> > > >> driven
>> > > >> by
>> > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are instructed
>> > > >> to tow
>> > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and the
>> > > >> TC in
>> > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
>> > > >> have
>> > > >> problems
>> > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing you
>> > > >> could
>> > > >> have
>> > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
>> > > >> shift
>> > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
>> > > >> take our
>> > > >> rigs
>> > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
>> > > >> You could
>> > > >> of
>> > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who own
>> > > >> these
>> > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Earle
>> > > >
12-26-2006, 07:36 PM
#157
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
Mike,
A friend had a 94 YJ, SOA on stock springs. I had an 89 YJ SOA with 1" lift
shackles. I could out flex him on any obstacle at any time because my
springs could actually move around.
I can't comment on the alignment issue, as I custom set up my castor angles
when I did the SOA lift.
Carl
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45915081.95E9F413@sympatico.ca...
> You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
>
> Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
>
> You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> these for the shims.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
> The Merg wrote:
>>
>> Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
>> shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
>> '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
>> stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
>>
>> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
>>
>> The Merg wrote:
>> > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't get
>> > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
>> >
>> >
>> > billy ray wrote:
>> > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
>> > >
>> > > http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
>> > >
>> > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>> > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed to
>> > > >have
>> > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for a
>> > > > bit
>> > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it in
>> > > > neutral?
>> > > >
>> > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for TC
>> > > > maintenance.
>> > > >
>> > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
>> > > > new
>> > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
>> > > > just
>> > > > have to find the install cds again.
>> > > >
>> > > > Earle Horton wrote:
>> > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
>> > > >> neutral, but
>> > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil when
>> > > >> driven
>> > > >> by
>> > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are instructed
>> > > >> to tow
>> > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and the
>> > > >> TC in
>> > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
>> > > >> have
>> > > >> problems
>> > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing you
>> > > >> could
>> > > >> have
>> > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
>> > > >> shift
>> > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
>> > > >> take our
>> > > >> rigs
>> > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
>> > > >> You could
>> > > >> of
>> > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who own
>> > > >> these
>> > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Earle
>> > > >
A friend had a 94 YJ, SOA on stock springs. I had an 89 YJ SOA with 1" lift
shackles. I could out flex him on any obstacle at any time because my
springs could actually move around.
I can't comment on the alignment issue, as I custom set up my castor angles
when I did the SOA lift.
Carl
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45915081.95E9F413@sympatico.ca...
> You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
>
> Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
>
> You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> these for the shims.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
> The Merg wrote:
>>
>> Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
>> shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
>> '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
>> stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
>>
>> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
>>
>> The Merg wrote:
>> > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't get
>> > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
>> >
>> >
>> > billy ray wrote:
>> > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
>> > >
>> > > http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
>> > >
>> > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>> > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed to
>> > > >have
>> > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for a
>> > > > bit
>> > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it in
>> > > > neutral?
>> > > >
>> > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for TC
>> > > > maintenance.
>> > > >
>> > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
>> > > > new
>> > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
>> > > > just
>> > > > have to find the install cds again.
>> > > >
>> > > > Earle Horton wrote:
>> > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
>> > > >> neutral, but
>> > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil when
>> > > >> driven
>> > > >> by
>> > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are instructed
>> > > >> to tow
>> > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and the
>> > > >> TC in
>> > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
>> > > >> have
>> > > >> problems
>> > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing you
>> > > >> could
>> > > >> have
>> > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
>> > > >> shift
>> > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
>> > > >> take our
>> > > >> rigs
>> > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
>> > > >> You could
>> > > >> of
>> > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who own
>> > > >> these
>> > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Earle
>> > > >
12-26-2006, 07:55 PM
#158
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
There are issues with stock spring perches, glad to know you know what
you are getting into.
I have shackles that are 1/2" too long on my CJ7 and that does create
more wear on the rear driveshaft u-joints. The angle is 'just' at the
edge of trouble on a CJ7 and is noticable running empty with no top and
doors with my light 'glass tub.
Mike
Carl wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> A friend had a 94 YJ, SOA on stock springs. I had an 89 YJ SOA with 1" lift
> shackles. I could out flex him on any obstacle at any time because my
> springs could actually move around.
>
> I can't comment on the alignment issue, as I custom set up my castor angles
> when I did the SOA lift.
>
> Carl
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45915081.95E9F413@sympatico.ca...
> > You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
> >
> > Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> > end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
> >
> > You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> > stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> > these for the shims.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> >
> > The Merg wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> >> shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
> >> '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
> >> stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> >>
> >> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> >>
> >> The Merg wrote:
> >> > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't get
> >> > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > billy ray wrote:
> >> > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> >> > >
> >> > > http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> >> > >
> >> > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> >> > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed to
> >> > > >have
> >> > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for a
> >> > > > bit
> >> > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it in
> >> > > > neutral?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for TC
> >> > > > maintenance.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
> >> > > > new
> >> > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
> >> > > > just
> >> > > > have to find the install cds again.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> >> > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
> >> > > >> neutral, but
> >> > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil when
> >> > > >> driven
> >> > > >> by
> >> > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are instructed
> >> > > >> to tow
> >> > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and the
> >> > > >> TC in
> >> > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
> >> > > >> have
> >> > > >> problems
> >> > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing you
> >> > > >> could
> >> > > >> have
> >> > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
> >> > > >> shift
> >> > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
> >> > > >> take our
> >> > > >> rigs
> >> > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
> >> > > >> You could
> >> > > >> of
> >> > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who own
> >> > > >> these
> >> > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Earle
> >> > > >
you are getting into.
I have shackles that are 1/2" too long on my CJ7 and that does create
more wear on the rear driveshaft u-joints. The angle is 'just' at the
edge of trouble on a CJ7 and is noticable running empty with no top and
doors with my light 'glass tub.
Mike
Carl wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> A friend had a 94 YJ, SOA on stock springs. I had an 89 YJ SOA with 1" lift
> shackles. I could out flex him on any obstacle at any time because my
> springs could actually move around.
>
> I can't comment on the alignment issue, as I custom set up my castor angles
> when I did the SOA lift.
>
> Carl
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45915081.95E9F413@sympatico.ca...
> > You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
> >
> > Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> > end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
> >
> > You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> > stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> > these for the shims.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> >
> > The Merg wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> >> shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
> >> '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
> >> stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> >>
> >> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> >>
> >> The Merg wrote:
> >> > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't get
> >> > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > billy ray wrote:
> >> > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> >> > >
> >> > > http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> >> > >
> >> > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> >> > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed to
> >> > > >have
> >> > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for a
> >> > > > bit
> >> > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it in
> >> > > > neutral?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for TC
> >> > > > maintenance.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
> >> > > > new
> >> > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
> >> > > > just
> >> > > > have to find the install cds again.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> >> > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
> >> > > >> neutral, but
> >> > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil when
> >> > > >> driven
> >> > > >> by
> >> > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are instructed
> >> > > >> to tow
> >> > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and the
> >> > > >> TC in
> >> > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
> >> > > >> have
> >> > > >> problems
> >> > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing you
> >> > > >> could
> >> > > >> have
> >> > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
> >> > > >> shift
> >> > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
> >> > > >> take our
> >> > > >> rigs
> >> > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
> >> > > >> You could
> >> > > >> of
> >> > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who own
> >> > > >> these
> >> > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Earle
> >> > > >
12-26-2006, 07:55 PM
#159
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
There are issues with stock spring perches, glad to know you know what
you are getting into.
I have shackles that are 1/2" too long on my CJ7 and that does create
more wear on the rear driveshaft u-joints. The angle is 'just' at the
edge of trouble on a CJ7 and is noticable running empty with no top and
doors with my light 'glass tub.
Mike
Carl wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> A friend had a 94 YJ, SOA on stock springs. I had an 89 YJ SOA with 1" lift
> shackles. I could out flex him on any obstacle at any time because my
> springs could actually move around.
>
> I can't comment on the alignment issue, as I custom set up my castor angles
> when I did the SOA lift.
>
> Carl
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45915081.95E9F413@sympatico.ca...
> > You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
> >
> > Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> > end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
> >
> > You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> > stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> > these for the shims.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> >
> > The Merg wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> >> shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
> >> '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
> >> stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> >>
> >> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> >>
> >> The Merg wrote:
> >> > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't get
> >> > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > billy ray wrote:
> >> > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> >> > >
> >> > > http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> >> > >
> >> > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> >> > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed to
> >> > > >have
> >> > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for a
> >> > > > bit
> >> > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it in
> >> > > > neutral?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for TC
> >> > > > maintenance.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
> >> > > > new
> >> > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
> >> > > > just
> >> > > > have to find the install cds again.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> >> > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
> >> > > >> neutral, but
> >> > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil when
> >> > > >> driven
> >> > > >> by
> >> > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are instructed
> >> > > >> to tow
> >> > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and the
> >> > > >> TC in
> >> > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
> >> > > >> have
> >> > > >> problems
> >> > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing you
> >> > > >> could
> >> > > >> have
> >> > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
> >> > > >> shift
> >> > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
> >> > > >> take our
> >> > > >> rigs
> >> > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
> >> > > >> You could
> >> > > >> of
> >> > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who own
> >> > > >> these
> >> > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Earle
> >> > > >
you are getting into.
I have shackles that are 1/2" too long on my CJ7 and that does create
more wear on the rear driveshaft u-joints. The angle is 'just' at the
edge of trouble on a CJ7 and is noticable running empty with no top and
doors with my light 'glass tub.
Mike
Carl wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> A friend had a 94 YJ, SOA on stock springs. I had an 89 YJ SOA with 1" lift
> shackles. I could out flex him on any obstacle at any time because my
> springs could actually move around.
>
> I can't comment on the alignment issue, as I custom set up my castor angles
> when I did the SOA lift.
>
> Carl
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45915081.95E9F413@sympatico.ca...
> > You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
> >
> > Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> > end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
> >
> > You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> > stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> > these for the shims.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> >
> > The Merg wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> >> shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
> >> '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
> >> stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> >>
> >> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> >>
> >> The Merg wrote:
> >> > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't get
> >> > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > billy ray wrote:
> >> > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> >> > >
> >> > > http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> >> > >
> >> > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> >> > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed to
> >> > > >have
> >> > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for a
> >> > > > bit
> >> > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it in
> >> > > > neutral?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for TC
> >> > > > maintenance.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
> >> > > > new
> >> > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
> >> > > > just
> >> > > > have to find the install cds again.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> >> > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
> >> > > >> neutral, but
> >> > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil when
> >> > > >> driven
> >> > > >> by
> >> > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are instructed
> >> > > >> to tow
> >> > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and the
> >> > > >> TC in
> >> > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
> >> > > >> have
> >> > > >> problems
> >> > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing you
> >> > > >> could
> >> > > >> have
> >> > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
> >> > > >> shift
> >> > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
> >> > > >> take our
> >> > > >> rigs
> >> > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
> >> > > >> You could
> >> > > >> of
> >> > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who own
> >> > > >> these
> >> > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Earle
> >> > > >
12-26-2006, 07:55 PM
#160
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 87 YJ magically turned into a '92 XJ
There are issues with stock spring perches, glad to know you know what
you are getting into.
I have shackles that are 1/2" too long on my CJ7 and that does create
more wear on the rear driveshaft u-joints. The angle is 'just' at the
edge of trouble on a CJ7 and is noticable running empty with no top and
doors with my light 'glass tub.
Mike
Carl wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> A friend had a 94 YJ, SOA on stock springs. I had an 89 YJ SOA with 1" lift
> shackles. I could out flex him on any obstacle at any time because my
> springs could actually move around.
>
> I can't comment on the alignment issue, as I custom set up my castor angles
> when I did the SOA lift.
>
> Carl
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45915081.95E9F413@sympatico.ca...
> > You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
> >
> > Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> > end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
> >
> > You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> > stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> > these for the shims.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> >
> > The Merg wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> >> shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
> >> '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
> >> stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> >>
> >> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> >>
> >> The Merg wrote:
> >> > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't get
> >> > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > billy ray wrote:
> >> > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> >> > >
> >> > > http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> >> > >
> >> > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> >> > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed to
> >> > > >have
> >> > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for a
> >> > > > bit
> >> > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it in
> >> > > > neutral?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for TC
> >> > > > maintenance.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
> >> > > > new
> >> > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
> >> > > > just
> >> > > > have to find the install cds again.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> >> > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
> >> > > >> neutral, but
> >> > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil when
> >> > > >> driven
> >> > > >> by
> >> > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are instructed
> >> > > >> to tow
> >> > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and the
> >> > > >> TC in
> >> > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
> >> > > >> have
> >> > > >> problems
> >> > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing you
> >> > > >> could
> >> > > >> have
> >> > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
> >> > > >> shift
> >> > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
> >> > > >> take our
> >> > > >> rigs
> >> > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
> >> > > >> You could
> >> > > >> of
> >> > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who own
> >> > > >> these
> >> > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Earle
> >> > > >
you are getting into.
I have shackles that are 1/2" too long on my CJ7 and that does create
more wear on the rear driveshaft u-joints. The angle is 'just' at the
edge of trouble on a CJ7 and is noticable running empty with no top and
doors with my light 'glass tub.
Mike
Carl wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> A friend had a 94 YJ, SOA on stock springs. I had an 89 YJ SOA with 1" lift
> shackles. I could out flex him on any obstacle at any time because my
> springs could actually move around.
>
> I can't comment on the alignment issue, as I custom set up my castor angles
> when I did the SOA lift.
>
> Carl
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45915081.95E9F413@sympatico.ca...
> > You are going with a shackle lift on a YJ????
> >
> > Man dealing with all those shims to attempt to have any hope of a front
> > end alignment isn't my idea of fun....
> >
> > You should get new spring u-bolts also because the old ones have likely
> > stretched too much already to ever stay tight again. You will need
> > these for the shims.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> >
> > The Merg wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok...some photos are up, my '93 Wrangler which will be receiving a
> >> shackle lift in a few days when the rear shackles come in and the new
> >> '92 Cherokee toy. There are more pictures coming whenever photobucket
> >> stops being stupid and lets me upload them.
> >>
> >> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r139/gmergner/
> >>
> >> The Merg wrote:
> >> > I know, I know. I didn't want to leave it in gear, just couldn't get
> >> > it out of gear. Next time I'll try harder, I swear.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > billy ray wrote:
> >> > > Why you shouldn't drive Part Time 4WD on the roadway
> >> > >
> >> > > http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...%20Time%204WD/
> >> > >
> >> > > "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > > news:1166980315.425760.49070@n51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> >> > > >I drove it around a little after getting it home, tranny seemed to
> >> > > >have
> >> > > > survived. So would a good idea have been to drive it in 4wd for a
> >> > > > bit
> >> > > > before throwing it up on the tow dolly and then trying to put it in
> >> > > > neutral?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Of course I'm sure we'd all agree that off-roading is purely for TC
> >> > > > maintenance.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > i have a Canon camera that worked fine before, but I installed a
> >> > > > new
> >> > > > printer recently which apparently deleted necessary programs. I
> >> > > > just
> >> > > > have to find the install cds again.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Earle Horton wrote:
> >> > > >> The transfer case is capable of oiling itself when towed in
> >> > > >> neutral, but
> >> > > >> neither the auto nor the standard transmission will pump oil when
> >> > > >> driven
> >> > > >> by
> >> > > >> the TC and the engine not running. This is why you are instructed
> >> > > >> to tow
> >> > > >> with the transmission in park (auto) or in gear (standard) and the
> >> > > >> TC in
> >> > > >> neutral. If you towed it far enough this way you are going to
> >> > > >> have
> >> > > >> problems
> >> > > >> from running the transmission unlubricated. The other thing you
> >> > > >> could
> >> > > >> have
> >> > > >> done was to remove the rear drive shaft.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> The most likely cause of the TC not going into neutral is the
> >> > > >> shift
> >> > > >> mechanism being stiff from disuse. That is the main reason we
> >> > > >> take our
> >> > > >> rigs
> >> > > >> off road, to keep the TC shift mechanism in working order. ;^)
> >> > > >> You could
> >> > > >> of
> >> > > >> course have a bad TC, but that is unlikely. Most people who own
> >> > > >> these
> >> > > >> vehicles seldom if ever put them in 4wd.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> I have good results with Kodak EasyShare, www.kodak.com.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Earle
> >> > > >