Ya ready for diesel yet?
#591
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
Darwin only kills those compressed gas drivers that hold the
throttle open long enough to freeze. Or use special valving such as that
used with Nitrous Oxide.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> The question you should ask is, if LPG is so dangerous, where are all
> the crispy critter LPG occupants and incinerated or smashed vehicles??
> There are none. Bill keeps pointing out an incident that does not and
> apparently has never happened in the whole of history.
>
> He can not cite one single incident of LPG stuck throttle. Not
> anywhere ever. And if it did happen it would very likely not cause a
> crash unless the driver was drunk or incompetent or Alzheimer's-addled.
throttle open long enough to freeze. Or use special valving such as that
used with Nitrous Oxide.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> The question you should ask is, if LPG is so dangerous, where are all
> the crispy critter LPG occupants and incinerated or smashed vehicles??
> There are none. Bill keeps pointing out an incident that does not and
> apparently has never happened in the whole of history.
>
> He can not cite one single incident of LPG stuck throttle. Not
> anywhere ever. And if it did happen it would very likely not cause a
> crash unless the driver was drunk or incompetent or Alzheimer's-addled.
#592
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
Darwin only kills those compressed gas drivers that hold the
throttle open long enough to freeze. Or use special valving such as that
used with Nitrous Oxide.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> The question you should ask is, if LPG is so dangerous, where are all
> the crispy critter LPG occupants and incinerated or smashed vehicles??
> There are none. Bill keeps pointing out an incident that does not and
> apparently has never happened in the whole of history.
>
> He can not cite one single incident of LPG stuck throttle. Not
> anywhere ever. And if it did happen it would very likely not cause a
> crash unless the driver was drunk or incompetent or Alzheimer's-addled.
throttle open long enough to freeze. Or use special valving such as that
used with Nitrous Oxide.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> The question you should ask is, if LPG is so dangerous, where are all
> the crispy critter LPG occupants and incinerated or smashed vehicles??
> There are none. Bill keeps pointing out an incident that does not and
> apparently has never happened in the whole of history.
>
> He can not cite one single incident of LPG stuck throttle. Not
> anywhere ever. And if it did happen it would very likely not cause a
> crash unless the driver was drunk or incompetent or Alzheimer's-addled.
#593
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
Darwin only kills those compressed gas drivers that hold the
throttle open long enough to freeze. Or use special valving such as that
used with Nitrous Oxide.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> The question you should ask is, if LPG is so dangerous, where are all
> the crispy critter LPG occupants and incinerated or smashed vehicles??
> There are none. Bill keeps pointing out an incident that does not and
> apparently has never happened in the whole of history.
>
> He can not cite one single incident of LPG stuck throttle. Not
> anywhere ever. And if it did happen it would very likely not cause a
> crash unless the driver was drunk or incompetent or Alzheimer's-addled.
throttle open long enough to freeze. Or use special valving such as that
used with Nitrous Oxide.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> The question you should ask is, if LPG is so dangerous, where are all
> the crispy critter LPG occupants and incinerated or smashed vehicles??
> There are none. Bill keeps pointing out an incident that does not and
> apparently has never happened in the whole of history.
>
> He can not cite one single incident of LPG stuck throttle. Not
> anywhere ever. And if it did happen it would very likely not cause a
> crash unless the driver was drunk or incompetent or Alzheimer's-addled.
#594
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
That's not quite how it works. It comes out of the tank, and into a mixer.
That's the bit that is heated by water, and if it is going to freeze, that's
where it freezes. Then it comes out of the mixer at atmospheric pressure and
is sucked into the carb. Its not trying to heat 600 cfm of sub zero propane
as most of the 600cfm is air. As I said before, when it is near freezing
outside, you start on petrol. I guess if you live where it gets really cold,
you don't switch over ! However, in my experience it has never frozen except
at the mixer, whereupon the engine just stopped.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:432C7F3A.E2C782B@***.net...
> Hi Dave,
> The detection for ice must be at the throttle plates, that's the
> part that kills when it's stuck wide open. Of course it going to stop
> back at the diaphragm's orifice when it freezes shout, that's not a
> concern. You have heater hoses trying to solve that problem, but at full
> throttle do you think they are adequate to also heat gases of probably
> six hundred cubic feet per minute passing the throttle plate?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > True, however the tanks have a pressure loss switch on them that shuts
off
> > the supply if too much comes out too quickly. By the time it hits the
carb,
> > it isn't pressurized. Or put it like this, I'll bet it is a damn sight
safer
> > than petrol where petrol vapour can ignite from 20' away. Darwin-wise,
> > petrol isn't clever. Remember the Jaguar XJ6s, the Crown Victorias that
> > burnt the occupants to a crisp on a rear ender ? We have all got used to
> > sitting on tanks (in your *****'s case literally) of the burny stuff.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
That's the bit that is heated by water, and if it is going to freeze, that's
where it freezes. Then it comes out of the mixer at atmospheric pressure and
is sucked into the carb. Its not trying to heat 600 cfm of sub zero propane
as most of the 600cfm is air. As I said before, when it is near freezing
outside, you start on petrol. I guess if you live where it gets really cold,
you don't switch over ! However, in my experience it has never frozen except
at the mixer, whereupon the engine just stopped.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:432C7F3A.E2C782B@***.net...
> Hi Dave,
> The detection for ice must be at the throttle plates, that's the
> part that kills when it's stuck wide open. Of course it going to stop
> back at the diaphragm's orifice when it freezes shout, that's not a
> concern. You have heater hoses trying to solve that problem, but at full
> throttle do you think they are adequate to also heat gases of probably
> six hundred cubic feet per minute passing the throttle plate?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > True, however the tanks have a pressure loss switch on them that shuts
off
> > the supply if too much comes out too quickly. By the time it hits the
carb,
> > it isn't pressurized. Or put it like this, I'll bet it is a damn sight
safer
> > than petrol where petrol vapour can ignite from 20' away. Darwin-wise,
> > petrol isn't clever. Remember the Jaguar XJ6s, the Crown Victorias that
> > burnt the occupants to a crisp on a rear ender ? We have all got used to
> > sitting on tanks (in your *****'s case literally) of the burny stuff.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
#595
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
That's not quite how it works. It comes out of the tank, and into a mixer.
That's the bit that is heated by water, and if it is going to freeze, that's
where it freezes. Then it comes out of the mixer at atmospheric pressure and
is sucked into the carb. Its not trying to heat 600 cfm of sub zero propane
as most of the 600cfm is air. As I said before, when it is near freezing
outside, you start on petrol. I guess if you live where it gets really cold,
you don't switch over ! However, in my experience it has never frozen except
at the mixer, whereupon the engine just stopped.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:432C7F3A.E2C782B@***.net...
> Hi Dave,
> The detection for ice must be at the throttle plates, that's the
> part that kills when it's stuck wide open. Of course it going to stop
> back at the diaphragm's orifice when it freezes shout, that's not a
> concern. You have heater hoses trying to solve that problem, but at full
> throttle do you think they are adequate to also heat gases of probably
> six hundred cubic feet per minute passing the throttle plate?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > True, however the tanks have a pressure loss switch on them that shuts
off
> > the supply if too much comes out too quickly. By the time it hits the
carb,
> > it isn't pressurized. Or put it like this, I'll bet it is a damn sight
safer
> > than petrol where petrol vapour can ignite from 20' away. Darwin-wise,
> > petrol isn't clever. Remember the Jaguar XJ6s, the Crown Victorias that
> > burnt the occupants to a crisp on a rear ender ? We have all got used to
> > sitting on tanks (in your *****'s case literally) of the burny stuff.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
That's the bit that is heated by water, and if it is going to freeze, that's
where it freezes. Then it comes out of the mixer at atmospheric pressure and
is sucked into the carb. Its not trying to heat 600 cfm of sub zero propane
as most of the 600cfm is air. As I said before, when it is near freezing
outside, you start on petrol. I guess if you live where it gets really cold,
you don't switch over ! However, in my experience it has never frozen except
at the mixer, whereupon the engine just stopped.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:432C7F3A.E2C782B@***.net...
> Hi Dave,
> The detection for ice must be at the throttle plates, that's the
> part that kills when it's stuck wide open. Of course it going to stop
> back at the diaphragm's orifice when it freezes shout, that's not a
> concern. You have heater hoses trying to solve that problem, but at full
> throttle do you think they are adequate to also heat gases of probably
> six hundred cubic feet per minute passing the throttle plate?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > True, however the tanks have a pressure loss switch on them that shuts
off
> > the supply if too much comes out too quickly. By the time it hits the
carb,
> > it isn't pressurized. Or put it like this, I'll bet it is a damn sight
safer
> > than petrol where petrol vapour can ignite from 20' away. Darwin-wise,
> > petrol isn't clever. Remember the Jaguar XJ6s, the Crown Victorias that
> > burnt the occupants to a crisp on a rear ender ? We have all got used to
> > sitting on tanks (in your *****'s case literally) of the burny stuff.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
#596
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
That's not quite how it works. It comes out of the tank, and into a mixer.
That's the bit that is heated by water, and if it is going to freeze, that's
where it freezes. Then it comes out of the mixer at atmospheric pressure and
is sucked into the carb. Its not trying to heat 600 cfm of sub zero propane
as most of the 600cfm is air. As I said before, when it is near freezing
outside, you start on petrol. I guess if you live where it gets really cold,
you don't switch over ! However, in my experience it has never frozen except
at the mixer, whereupon the engine just stopped.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:432C7F3A.E2C782B@***.net...
> Hi Dave,
> The detection for ice must be at the throttle plates, that's the
> part that kills when it's stuck wide open. Of course it going to stop
> back at the diaphragm's orifice when it freezes shout, that's not a
> concern. You have heater hoses trying to solve that problem, but at full
> throttle do you think they are adequate to also heat gases of probably
> six hundred cubic feet per minute passing the throttle plate?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > True, however the tanks have a pressure loss switch on them that shuts
off
> > the supply if too much comes out too quickly. By the time it hits the
carb,
> > it isn't pressurized. Or put it like this, I'll bet it is a damn sight
safer
> > than petrol where petrol vapour can ignite from 20' away. Darwin-wise,
> > petrol isn't clever. Remember the Jaguar XJ6s, the Crown Victorias that
> > burnt the occupants to a crisp on a rear ender ? We have all got used to
> > sitting on tanks (in your *****'s case literally) of the burny stuff.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
That's the bit that is heated by water, and if it is going to freeze, that's
where it freezes. Then it comes out of the mixer at atmospheric pressure and
is sucked into the carb. Its not trying to heat 600 cfm of sub zero propane
as most of the 600cfm is air. As I said before, when it is near freezing
outside, you start on petrol. I guess if you live where it gets really cold,
you don't switch over ! However, in my experience it has never frozen except
at the mixer, whereupon the engine just stopped.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:432C7F3A.E2C782B@***.net...
> Hi Dave,
> The detection for ice must be at the throttle plates, that's the
> part that kills when it's stuck wide open. Of course it going to stop
> back at the diaphragm's orifice when it freezes shout, that's not a
> concern. You have heater hoses trying to solve that problem, but at full
> throttle do you think they are adequate to also heat gases of probably
> six hundred cubic feet per minute passing the throttle plate?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > True, however the tanks have a pressure loss switch on them that shuts
off
> > the supply if too much comes out too quickly. By the time it hits the
carb,
> > it isn't pressurized. Or put it like this, I'll bet it is a damn sight
safer
> > than petrol where petrol vapour can ignite from 20' away. Darwin-wise,
> > petrol isn't clever. Remember the Jaguar XJ6s, the Crown Victorias that
> > burnt the occupants to a crisp on a rear ender ? We have all got used to
> > sitting on tanks (in your *****'s case literally) of the burny stuff.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
#597
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
L.W. ------ III (ßill) wrote:
> Darwin only kills those compressed gas drivers that hold the
> throttle open long enough to freeze. Or use special valving such as that
> used with Nitrous Oxide.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
I seem to remember a pissing match Bill got into with someone where it
came out that it was indeed a N2O installation, not a propane one at
all, that had stuck open, and the throttle plate _had_ returned but the
N20 and fuel kept the engine under power long enough to cause the
driver-apparently a street-racer punk pal of Bill's-to panic and be
killed.
If I can remember this better than Bill, it's fair to speculate he
does indeed have memory loss such as that associated with Alzheimer's.
Perhaps the State of California should require he be retested for
licenseworthiness.
#598
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
L.W. ------ III (ßill) wrote:
> Darwin only kills those compressed gas drivers that hold the
> throttle open long enough to freeze. Or use special valving such as that
> used with Nitrous Oxide.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
I seem to remember a pissing match Bill got into with someone where it
came out that it was indeed a N2O installation, not a propane one at
all, that had stuck open, and the throttle plate _had_ returned but the
N20 and fuel kept the engine under power long enough to cause the
driver-apparently a street-racer punk pal of Bill's-to panic and be
killed.
If I can remember this better than Bill, it's fair to speculate he
does indeed have memory loss such as that associated with Alzheimer's.
Perhaps the State of California should require he be retested for
licenseworthiness.
#599
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
L.W. ------ III (ßill) wrote:
> Darwin only kills those compressed gas drivers that hold the
> throttle open long enough to freeze. Or use special valving such as that
> used with Nitrous Oxide.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
I seem to remember a pissing match Bill got into with someone where it
came out that it was indeed a N2O installation, not a propane one at
all, that had stuck open, and the throttle plate _had_ returned but the
N20 and fuel kept the engine under power long enough to cause the
driver-apparently a street-racer punk pal of Bill's-to panic and be
killed.
If I can remember this better than Bill, it's fair to speculate he
does indeed have memory loss such as that associated with Alzheimer's.
Perhaps the State of California should require he be retested for
licenseworthiness.
#600
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Re: Ya ready for diesel yet?
Drag racers will keep their foot in longer than most to win. And
yes I did lose a friend to a frozen open throttle, via Nitrous Oxide, in
Ocotillo Wells, '80. Thanks I had allmost forgotten.
Ever notice that people that troll, aren't man enough to take
responsibility for their actions, like they don't even sign or use a
real name nor address. Just another girlie boy, come back when you grow
up.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Accessory Section 8 wrote:
>
> L.W. ------ III (ßill) wrote:
> > Darwin only kills those compressed gas drivers that hold the
> > throttle open long enough to freeze. Or use special valving such as that
> > used with Nitrous Oxide.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
>
> I seem to remember a pissing match Bill got into with someone where it
> came out that it was indeed a N2O installation, not a propane one at
> all, that had stuck open, and the throttle plate _had_ returned but the
> N20 and fuel kept the engine under power long enough to cause the
> driver-apparently a street-racer punk pal of Bill's-to panic and be
> killed.
>
> If I can remember this better than Bill, it's fair to speculate he
> does indeed have memory loss such as that associated with Alzheimer's.
> Perhaps the State of California should require he be retested for
> licenseworthiness.
yes I did lose a friend to a frozen open throttle, via Nitrous Oxide, in
Ocotillo Wells, '80. Thanks I had allmost forgotten.
Ever notice that people that troll, aren't man enough to take
responsibility for their actions, like they don't even sign or use a
real name nor address. Just another girlie boy, come back when you grow
up.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Accessory Section 8 wrote:
>
> L.W. ------ III (ßill) wrote:
> > Darwin only kills those compressed gas drivers that hold the
> > throttle open long enough to freeze. Or use special valving such as that
> > used with Nitrous Oxide.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
>
> I seem to remember a pissing match Bill got into with someone where it
> came out that it was indeed a N2O installation, not a propane one at
> all, that had stuck open, and the throttle plate _had_ returned but the
> N20 and fuel kept the engine under power long enough to cause the
> driver-apparently a street-racer punk pal of Bill's-to panic and be
> killed.
>
> If I can remember this better than Bill, it's fair to speculate he
> does indeed have memory loss such as that associated with Alzheimer's.
> Perhaps the State of California should require he be retested for
> licenseworthiness.