Gerald G. McGeorge

In all the years I've run BFG ATs & MTs, and it's now up to about 7 sets on
several vehicles, I've ripped exactly ONE tire through the sidewall. I don't
doubt the MTR is a good tire, just no evidence I can see that it's that much
better. Avalanche Engineering here still run BFGs on all their competition
rock crawlers and they echo my experience, BFG tires are just not an issue
for them. Time will tell if the MTR is as good as it looks. Goodyear seems
to loose faith in their mud tires awfully quickly (remember the MT?), and
they've always priced way high compared to BFG.

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:2I3fb.38096$gv5.27047@fed1read05...
> Gerald, I was slicing my BFG MTs up like crazy out in the California
> deserts. And I used to be a strong proponent of BFG's MT. STRONG
supporter.
> Since switching to the MT/R with its far stronger sidewall, that kind of
> stuff stopped. The MT/R is a FAR stronger tire than my BFG MTs ever were.
> Is that worth more money to you? It was to me when I made the switch! :)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:vnphl53k066n1c@corp.supernews.com...
> > Not sure the Thornbirds are junk, but after pricing out a set of 35"
MTRs
> I
> > got another set of BFG M/Ts, I couldn't image the MTRs were worth $80
more
> > per tire than trusty BFG muds.
> >
> > "Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:Qw3fb.38093$gv5.3249@fed1read05...
> > > Im not trying to put you down, but everyone kinda knows that the
> thornbird
> > > TSL's are junk Good decision to get rid of them! The Goodyear MTR's
> are
> > a
> > > bit pricey but I love them. There are also a ton of new tires on the
> > market
> > > that I dont know much about yet.
> > > KH
> > >
> > > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > > news:b102b6e4.0310020727.55b9694@posting.google.co m...
> > > > I have 35 inch thornbird TSLs. They seem like a good compromise
> > > > between on road and off road performance (which I need both) but man
> > > > are they loud on the freeway. Driving over 70mph definitely gives
me
> > > > a headache. Any suggestions on 35 inch tires that will perform as
> > > > well but perhaps be a bit quieter?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Perry Gagnon <perry@nospam.perryshome.com> wrote in message
> > > news:<3F7B1C13.8060102@nospam.perryshome.com>...
> > > > > My YJ came with BFG Muds (33x12.5) When I bought it. I hated them.
> > > > > aside from a bit too noisy they sucked in the snow. Those hard
> rubber
> > > > > aggressive treads held packed snow and was like driving on 4 snow
> > > boards.
> > > > > I switched to All Terrain's (35x12.5) and sold the muds in the
> middle
> > of
> > > > > mud season for $85 each.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then I ran the AT's that spring and summer and found them ok in
mud
> > and
> > > > > snow but lacking in sand. It's not uncommon to go from a mud bogg
> to
> > a
> > > > > sand pit around here. The noise was much better but still a little
> too
> > > > > loud if it mattered. I talked to a local 4x4 shop and they told me
> to
> > > > > look at the new tread design on the Mickey Thompson Baja's. They
> said
> > > > > they were getting great reviews from the locals for snow, mud and
> > sand.
> > > > >
> > > > > After seeing a set I upgraded to them (36X12.5) and haven't looked
> > back.
> > > > > They were about $40 more in cost each than the AT' equivalents but
I
> > got
> > > > > $100 each for my 5 AT's in trade. I've had them on for 3 years now
> and
> > > > > they still have plenty of tread. They're quieter and are better in
> the
> > > > > snow and mud then my AT's were.
> > > > > I had a long, long dirt hill driveway that became mud in the
spring.
> > > > > I needed 4x4's just to make it up to the house in the winter and
> > spring.
> > > > > It is very easy to compare when you have the same testing
driveway
> > > > > year in and year out.
> > > > >
> > > > > You might be surprised but I have an AWD Grand Caravan that
handled
> > this
> > > > > driveway/hill very well too. I also had a 1966 Scout that had no
> > problem
> > > > > plowing it in the winter. ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers!
> > > > >
> > > > > Perry
> > > > >
> > > > > 87YJ 36X12.5 MT Baja's
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > John Welch wrote:
> > > > > > 99 Wrangler.
> > > > > > I want to keep the tight turning radius (really love that on
> modern
> > > > > > Jeeps) so planning on 31's.
> > > > > > Over the next 4 years this jeep will see about 80,000 miles. I
> will
> > > > > > drive it 50 miles a day to work on freeway. On weekends I will
be
> > in
> > > > > > muddy pastures with cows and driving down firelanes in
timberland
> (I
> > > > > > need to save up for lockers too. That will be another post
around
> > > > > > christmas time (if I am a good boy)), so I am thinking mud, not
> > rocks.
> > > > > > I like the looks of the BFG MT's, but am wondering if AT would
be
> a
> > > > > > better compromise.
> > > > > > I would like to hear the experience of other Jeep owners.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you very much
> > > > > > John Welch
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>/<
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Gerald G. McGeorge

In all the years I've run BFG ATs & MTs, and it's now up to about 7 sets on
several vehicles, I've ripped exactly ONE tire through the sidewall. I don't
doubt the MTR is a good tire, just no evidence I can see that it's that much
better. Avalanche Engineering here still run BFGs on all their competition
rock crawlers and they echo my experience, BFG tires are just not an issue
for them. Time will tell if the MTR is as good as it looks. Goodyear seems
to loose faith in their mud tires awfully quickly (remember the MT?), and
they've always priced way high compared to BFG.

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:2I3fb.38096$gv5.27047@fed1read05...
> Gerald, I was slicing my BFG MTs up like crazy out in the California
> deserts. And I used to be a strong proponent of BFG's MT. STRONG
supporter.
> Since switching to the MT/R with its far stronger sidewall, that kind of
> stuff stopped. The MT/R is a FAR stronger tire than my BFG MTs ever were.
> Is that worth more money to you? It was to me when I made the switch! :)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:vnphl53k066n1c@corp.supernews.com...
> > Not sure the Thornbirds are junk, but after pricing out a set of 35"
MTRs
> I
> > got another set of BFG M/Ts, I couldn't image the MTRs were worth $80
more
> > per tire than trusty BFG muds.
> >
> > "Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:Qw3fb.38093$gv5.3249@fed1read05...
> > > Im not trying to put you down, but everyone kinda knows that the
> thornbird
> > > TSL's are junk Good decision to get rid of them! The Goodyear MTR's
> are
> > a
> > > bit pricey but I love them. There are also a ton of new tires on the
> > market
> > > that I dont know much about yet.
> > > KH
> > >
> > > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > > news:b102b6e4.0310020727.55b9694@posting.google.co m...
> > > > I have 35 inch thornbird TSLs. They seem like a good compromise
> > > > between on road and off road performance (which I need both) but man
> > > > are they loud on the freeway. Driving over 70mph definitely gives
me
> > > > a headache. Any suggestions on 35 inch tires that will perform as
> > > > well but perhaps be a bit quieter?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Perry Gagnon <perry@nospam.perryshome.com> wrote in message
> > > news:<3F7B1C13.8060102@nospam.perryshome.com>...
> > > > > My YJ came with BFG Muds (33x12.5) When I bought it. I hated them.
> > > > > aside from a bit too noisy they sucked in the snow. Those hard
> rubber
> > > > > aggressive treads held packed snow and was like driving on 4 snow
> > > boards.
> > > > > I switched to All Terrain's (35x12.5) and sold the muds in the
> middle
> > of
> > > > > mud season for $85 each.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then I ran the AT's that spring and summer and found them ok in
mud
> > and
> > > > > snow but lacking in sand. It's not uncommon to go from a mud bogg
> to
> > a
> > > > > sand pit around here. The noise was much better but still a little
> too
> > > > > loud if it mattered. I talked to a local 4x4 shop and they told me
> to
> > > > > look at the new tread design on the Mickey Thompson Baja's. They
> said
> > > > > they were getting great reviews from the locals for snow, mud and
> > sand.
> > > > >
> > > > > After seeing a set I upgraded to them (36X12.5) and haven't looked
> > back.
> > > > > They were about $40 more in cost each than the AT' equivalents but
I
> > got
> > > > > $100 each for my 5 AT's in trade. I've had them on for 3 years now
> and
> > > > > they still have plenty of tread. They're quieter and are better in
> the
> > > > > snow and mud then my AT's were.
> > > > > I had a long, long dirt hill driveway that became mud in the
spring.
> > > > > I needed 4x4's just to make it up to the house in the winter and
> > spring.
> > > > > It is very easy to compare when you have the same testing
driveway
> > > > > year in and year out.
> > > > >
> > > > > You might be surprised but I have an AWD Grand Caravan that
handled
> > this
> > > > > driveway/hill very well too. I also had a 1966 Scout that had no
> > problem
> > > > > plowing it in the winter. ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers!
> > > > >
> > > > > Perry
> > > > >
> > > > > 87YJ 36X12.5 MT Baja's
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > John Welch wrote:
> > > > > > 99 Wrangler.
> > > > > > I want to keep the tight turning radius (really love that on
> modern
> > > > > > Jeeps) so planning on 31's.
> > > > > > Over the next 4 years this jeep will see about 80,000 miles. I
> will
> > > > > > drive it 50 miles a day to work on freeway. On weekends I will
be
> > in
> > > > > > muddy pastures with cows and driving down firelanes in
timberland
> (I
> > > > > > need to save up for lockers too. That will be another post
around
> > > > > > christmas time (if I am a good boy)), so I am thinking mud, not
> > rocks.
> > > > > > I like the looks of the BFG MT's, but am wondering if AT would
be
> a
> > > > > > better compromise.
> > > > > > I would like to hear the experience of other Jeep owners.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you very much
> > > > > > John Welch
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>/<
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Gerald G. McGeorge

In all the years I've run BFG ATs & MTs, and it's now up to about 7 sets on
several vehicles, I've ripped exactly ONE tire through the sidewall. I don't
doubt the MTR is a good tire, just no evidence I can see that it's that much
better. Avalanche Engineering here still run BFGs on all their competition
rock crawlers and they echo my experience, BFG tires are just not an issue
for them. Time will tell if the MTR is as good as it looks. Goodyear seems
to loose faith in their mud tires awfully quickly (remember the MT?), and
they've always priced way high compared to BFG.

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
news:2I3fb.38096$gv5.27047@fed1read05...
> Gerald, I was slicing my BFG MTs up like crazy out in the California
> deserts. And I used to be a strong proponent of BFG's MT. STRONG
supporter.
> Since switching to the MT/R with its far stronger sidewall, that kind of
> stuff stopped. The MT/R is a FAR stronger tire than my BFG MTs ever were.
> Is that worth more money to you? It was to me when I made the switch! :)
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> To email, remove 'me' from my email address
> KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:vnphl53k066n1c@corp.supernews.com...
> > Not sure the Thornbirds are junk, but after pricing out a set of 35"
MTRs
> I
> > got another set of BFG M/Ts, I couldn't image the MTRs were worth $80
more
> > per tire than trusty BFG muds.
> >
> > "Kevin in San Diego" <kevin_hedstrom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:Qw3fb.38093$gv5.3249@fed1read05...
> > > Im not trying to put you down, but everyone kinda knows that the
> thornbird
> > > TSL's are junk Good decision to get rid of them! The Goodyear MTR's
> are
> > a
> > > bit pricey but I love them. There are also a ton of new tires on the
> > market
> > > that I dont know much about yet.
> > > KH
> > >
> > > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > > news:b102b6e4.0310020727.55b9694@posting.google.co m...
> > > > I have 35 inch thornbird TSLs. They seem like a good compromise
> > > > between on road and off road performance (which I need both) but man
> > > > are they loud on the freeway. Driving over 70mph definitely gives
me
> > > > a headache. Any suggestions on 35 inch tires that will perform as
> > > > well but perhaps be a bit quieter?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Perry Gagnon <perry@nospam.perryshome.com> wrote in message
> > > news:<3F7B1C13.8060102@nospam.perryshome.com>...
> > > > > My YJ came with BFG Muds (33x12.5) When I bought it. I hated them.
> > > > > aside from a bit too noisy they sucked in the snow. Those hard
> rubber
> > > > > aggressive treads held packed snow and was like driving on 4 snow
> > > boards.
> > > > > I switched to All Terrain's (35x12.5) and sold the muds in the
> middle
> > of
> > > > > mud season for $85 each.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then I ran the AT's that spring and summer and found them ok in
mud
> > and
> > > > > snow but lacking in sand. It's not uncommon to go from a mud bogg
> to
> > a
> > > > > sand pit around here. The noise was much better but still a little
> too
> > > > > loud if it mattered. I talked to a local 4x4 shop and they told me
> to
> > > > > look at the new tread design on the Mickey Thompson Baja's. They
> said
> > > > > they were getting great reviews from the locals for snow, mud and
> > sand.
> > > > >
> > > > > After seeing a set I upgraded to them (36X12.5) and haven't looked
> > back.
> > > > > They were about $40 more in cost each than the AT' equivalents but
I
> > got
> > > > > $100 each for my 5 AT's in trade. I've had them on for 3 years now
> and
> > > > > they still have plenty of tread. They're quieter and are better in
> the
> > > > > snow and mud then my AT's were.
> > > > > I had a long, long dirt hill driveway that became mud in the
spring.
> > > > > I needed 4x4's just to make it up to the house in the winter and
> > spring.
> > > > > It is very easy to compare when you have the same testing
driveway
> > > > > year in and year out.
> > > > >
> > > > > You might be surprised but I have an AWD Grand Caravan that
handled
> > this
> > > > > driveway/hill very well too. I also had a 1966 Scout that had no
> > problem
> > > > > plowing it in the winter. ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers!
> > > > >
> > > > > Perry
> > > > >
> > > > > 87YJ 36X12.5 MT Baja's
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > John Welch wrote:
> > > > > > 99 Wrangler.
> > > > > > I want to keep the tight turning radius (really love that on
> modern
> > > > > > Jeeps) so planning on 31's.
> > > > > > Over the next 4 years this jeep will see about 80,000 miles. I
> will
> > > > > > drive it 50 miles a day to work on freeway. On weekends I will
be
> > in
> > > > > > muddy pastures with cows and driving down firelanes in
timberland
> (I
> > > > > > need to save up for lockers too. That will be another post
around
> > > > > > christmas time (if I am a good boy)), so I am thinking mud, not
> > rocks.
> > > > > > I like the looks of the BFG MT's, but am wondering if AT would
be
> a
> > > > > > better compromise.
> > > > > > I would like to hear the experience of other Jeep owners.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you very much
> > > > > > John Welch
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>/<
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

David C. Moller

Egads... not to start a flame war or anything, but Thornbirds are
perhaps the worst tire ever developed. About the only thing they are
good for are cruising the mall. BFG MT's really aren't all that loud
on the highway... worth looking into.

Dave
http://home1.gte.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm

On 2 Oct 2003 08:27:37 -0700, spam_box@ev1.net (Joshua Nelson) wrote:

>I have 35 inch thornbird TSLs. They seem like a good compromise
>between on road and off road performance (which I need both) but man
>are they loud on the freeway. Driving over 70mph definitely gives me
>a headache. Any suggestions on 35 inch tires that will perform as
>well but perhaps be a bit quieter?
>
>
>Perry Gagnon <perry@nospam.perryshome.com> wrote in message news:<3F7B1C13.8060102@nospam.perryshome.com>...
>> My YJ came with BFG Muds (33x12.5) When I bought it. I hated them.
>> aside from a bit too noisy they sucked in the snow. Those hard rubber
>> aggressive treads held packed snow and was like driving on 4 snow boards.
>> I switched to All Terrain's (35x12.5) and sold the muds in the middle of
>> mud season for $85 each.
>>
>> Then I ran the AT's that spring and summer and found them ok in mud and
>> snow but lacking in sand. It's not uncommon to go from a mud bogg to a
>> sand pit around here. The noise was much better but still a little too
>> loud if it mattered. I talked to a local 4x4 shop and they told me to
>> look at the new tread design on the Mickey Thompson Baja's. They said
>> they were getting great reviews from the locals for snow, mud and sand.
>>
>> After seeing a set I upgraded to them (36X12.5) and haven't looked back.
>> They were about $40 more in cost each than the AT' equivalents but I got
>> $100 each for my 5 AT's in trade. I've had them on for 3 years now and
>> they still have plenty of tread. They're quieter and are better in the
>> snow and mud then my AT's were.
>> I had a long, long dirt hill driveway that became mud in the spring.
>> I needed 4x4's just to make it up to the house in the winter and spring.
>> It is very easy to compare when you have the same testing driveway
>> year in and year out.
>>
>> You might be surprised but I have an AWD Grand Caravan that handled this
>> driveway/hill very well too. I also had a 1966 Scout that had no problem
>> plowing it in the winter. ;-)
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Perry
>>
>> 87YJ 36X12.5 MT Baja's
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> John Welch wrote:
>> > 99 Wrangler.
>> > I want to keep the tight turning radius (really love that on modern
>> > Jeeps) so planning on 31's.
>> > Over the next 4 years this jeep will see about 80,000 miles. I will
>> > drive it 50 miles a day to work on freeway. On weekends I will be in
>> > muddy pastures with cows and driving down firelanes in timberland (I
>> > need to save up for lockers too. That will be another post around
>> > christmas time (if I am a good boy)), so I am thinking mud, not rocks.
>> > I like the looks of the BFG MT's, but am wondering if AT would be a
>> > better compromise.
>> > I would like to hear the experience of other Jeep owners.
>> >
>> > Thank you very much
>> > John Welch
>> >
>> >>/<
>> >

David C. Moller

Egads... not to start a flame war or anything, but Thornbirds are
perhaps the worst tire ever developed. About the only thing they are
good for are cruising the mall. BFG MT's really aren't all that loud
on the highway... worth looking into.

Dave
http://home1.gte.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm

On 2 Oct 2003 08:27:37 -0700, spam_box@ev1.net (Joshua Nelson) wrote:

>I have 35 inch thornbird TSLs. They seem like a good compromise
>between on road and off road performance (which I need both) but man
>are they loud on the freeway. Driving over 70mph definitely gives me
>a headache. Any suggestions on 35 inch tires that will perform as
>well but perhaps be a bit quieter?
>
>
>Perry Gagnon <perry@nospam.perryshome.com> wrote in message news:<3F7B1C13.8060102@nospam.perryshome.com>...
>> My YJ came with BFG Muds (33x12.5) When I bought it. I hated them.
>> aside from a bit too noisy they sucked in the snow. Those hard rubber
>> aggressive treads held packed snow and was like driving on 4 snow boards.
>> I switched to All Terrain's (35x12.5) and sold the muds in the middle of
>> mud season for $85 each.
>>
>> Then I ran the AT's that spring and summer and found them ok in mud and
>> snow but lacking in sand. It's not uncommon to go from a mud bogg to a
>> sand pit around here. The noise was much better but still a little too
>> loud if it mattered. I talked to a local 4x4 shop and they told me to
>> look at the new tread design on the Mickey Thompson Baja's. They said
>> they were getting great reviews from the locals for snow, mud and sand.
>>
>> After seeing a set I upgraded to them (36X12.5) and haven't looked back.
>> They were about $40 more in cost each than the AT' equivalents but I got
>> $100 each for my 5 AT's in trade. I've had them on for 3 years now and
>> they still have plenty of tread. They're quieter and are better in the
>> snow and mud then my AT's were.
>> I had a long, long dirt hill driveway that became mud in the spring.
>> I needed 4x4's just to make it up to the house in the winter and spring.
>> It is very easy to compare when you have the same testing driveway
>> year in and year out.
>>
>> You might be surprised but I have an AWD Grand Caravan that handled this
>> driveway/hill very well too. I also had a 1966 Scout that had no problem
>> plowing it in the winter. ;-)
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Perry
>>
>> 87YJ 36X12.5 MT Baja's
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> John Welch wrote:
>> > 99 Wrangler.
>> > I want to keep the tight turning radius (really love that on modern
>> > Jeeps) so planning on 31's.
>> > Over the next 4 years this jeep will see about 80,000 miles. I will
>> > drive it 50 miles a day to work on freeway. On weekends I will be in
>> > muddy pastures with cows and driving down firelanes in timberland (I
>> > need to save up for lockers too. That will be another post around
>> > christmas time (if I am a good boy)), so I am thinking mud, not rocks.
>> > I like the looks of the BFG MT's, but am wondering if AT would be a
>> > better compromise.
>> > I would like to hear the experience of other Jeep owners.
>> >
>> > Thank you very much
>> > John Welch
>> >
>> >>/<
>> >

David C. Moller

Egads... not to start a flame war or anything, but Thornbirds are
perhaps the worst tire ever developed. About the only thing they are
good for are cruising the mall. BFG MT's really aren't all that loud
on the highway... worth looking into.

Dave
http://home1.gte.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm

On 2 Oct 2003 08:27:37 -0700, spam_box@ev1.net (Joshua Nelson) wrote:

>I have 35 inch thornbird TSLs. They seem like a good compromise
>between on road and off road performance (which I need both) but man
>are they loud on the freeway. Driving over 70mph definitely gives me
>a headache. Any suggestions on 35 inch tires that will perform as
>well but perhaps be a bit quieter?
>
>
>Perry Gagnon <perry@nospam.perryshome.com> wrote in message news:<3F7B1C13.8060102@nospam.perryshome.com>...
>> My YJ came with BFG Muds (33x12.5) When I bought it. I hated them.
>> aside from a bit too noisy they sucked in the snow. Those hard rubber
>> aggressive treads held packed snow and was like driving on 4 snow boards.
>> I switched to All Terrain's (35x12.5) and sold the muds in the middle of
>> mud season for $85 each.
>>
>> Then I ran the AT's that spring and summer and found them ok in mud and
>> snow but lacking in sand. It's not uncommon to go from a mud bogg to a
>> sand pit around here. The noise was much better but still a little too
>> loud if it mattered. I talked to a local 4x4 shop and they told me to
>> look at the new tread design on the Mickey Thompson Baja's. They said
>> they were getting great reviews from the locals for snow, mud and sand.
>>
>> After seeing a set I upgraded to them (36X12.5) and haven't looked back.
>> They were about $40 more in cost each than the AT' equivalents but I got
>> $100 each for my 5 AT's in trade. I've had them on for 3 years now and
>> they still have plenty of tread. They're quieter and are better in the
>> snow and mud then my AT's were.
>> I had a long, long dirt hill driveway that became mud in the spring.
>> I needed 4x4's just to make it up to the house in the winter and spring.
>> It is very easy to compare when you have the same testing driveway
>> year in and year out.
>>
>> You might be surprised but I have an AWD Grand Caravan that handled this
>> driveway/hill very well too. I also had a 1966 Scout that had no problem
>> plowing it in the winter. ;-)
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Perry
>>
>> 87YJ 36X12.5 MT Baja's
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> John Welch wrote:
>> > 99 Wrangler.
>> > I want to keep the tight turning radius (really love that on modern
>> > Jeeps) so planning on 31's.
>> > Over the next 4 years this jeep will see about 80,000 miles. I will
>> > drive it 50 miles a day to work on freeway. On weekends I will be in
>> > muddy pastures with cows and driving down firelanes in timberland (I
>> > need to save up for lockers too. That will be another post around
>> > christmas time (if I am a good boy)), so I am thinking mud, not rocks.
>> > I like the looks of the BFG MT's, but am wondering if AT would be a
>> > better compromise.
>> > I would like to hear the experience of other Jeep owners.
>> >
>> > Thank you very much
>> > John Welch
>> >
>> >>/<
>> >

twaldron

McFly, the Goodyear MT/R is not a mud terrain specific tire.

Jerry, the MT/R is perfect for what you do. Some of these guys don't see
the rocks like you do and see a lot of mud. I'd certainly recommend the
BFG MTs for mudders. My MT/Rs don't do much, if any, better than my BFG
ATs in the mud.

Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:

> In all the years I've run BFG ATs & MTs, and it's now up to about 7 sets on
> several vehicles, I've ripped exactly ONE tire through the sidewall. I don't
> doubt the MTR is a good tire, just no evidence I can see that it's that much
> better. Avalanche Engineering here still run BFGs on all their competition
> rock crawlers and they echo my experience, BFG tires are just not an issue
> for them. Time will tell if the MTR is as good as it looks. Goodyear seems
> to loose faith in their mud tires awfully quickly (remember the MT?), and
> they've always priced way high compared to BFG.


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01 XJ Sport

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twaldron

McFly, the Goodyear MT/R is not a mud terrain specific tire.

Jerry, the MT/R is perfect for what you do. Some of these guys don't see
the rocks like you do and see a lot of mud. I'd certainly recommend the
BFG MTs for mudders. My MT/Rs don't do much, if any, better than my BFG
ATs in the mud.

Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:

> In all the years I've run BFG ATs & MTs, and it's now up to about 7 sets on
> several vehicles, I've ripped exactly ONE tire through the sidewall. I don't
> doubt the MTR is a good tire, just no evidence I can see that it's that much
> better. Avalanche Engineering here still run BFGs on all their competition
> rock crawlers and they echo my experience, BFG tires are just not an issue
> for them. Time will tell if the MTR is as good as it looks. Goodyear seems
> to loose faith in their mud tires awfully quickly (remember the MT?), and
> they've always priced way high compared to BFG.


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__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

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twaldron

McFly, the Goodyear MT/R is not a mud terrain specific tire.

Jerry, the MT/R is perfect for what you do. Some of these guys don't see
the rocks like you do and see a lot of mud. I'd certainly recommend the
BFG MTs for mudders. My MT/Rs don't do much, if any, better than my BFG
ATs in the mud.

Gerald G. McGeorge wrote:

> In all the years I've run BFG ATs & MTs, and it's now up to about 7 sets on
> several vehicles, I've ripped exactly ONE tire through the sidewall. I don't
> doubt the MTR is a good tire, just no evidence I can see that it's that much
> better. Avalanche Engineering here still run BFGs on all their competition
> rock crawlers and they echo my experience, BFG tires are just not an issue
> for them. Time will tell if the MTR is as good as it looks. Goodyear seems
> to loose faith in their mud tires awfully quickly (remember the MT?), and
> they've always priced way high compared to BFG.


--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

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Mike Romain

I have only ever seen one set of Thornbirds in 'action'.

The only action was everyone having to bail out of this poor guys Jeep
to push him across flat wet muddy grass while some kids in a Chevette or
Acadian literally drove in circles around him laughing to ****
themselves.

There were over a 100 other folks at the local mud pit laughing their
butts off too. I sure wasn't impressed, neither was the Jeep owner
trying to hide under his dash....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Joshua Nelson wrote:
>
> I have 35 inch thornbird TSLs. They seem like a good compromise
> between on road and off road performance (which I need both) but man
> are they loud on the freeway. Driving over 70mph definitely gives me
> a headache. Any suggestions on 35 inch tires that will perform as
> well but perhaps be a bit quieter?
>
> Perry Gagnon <perry@nospam.perryshome.com> wrote in message news:<3F7B1C13.8060102@nospam.perryshome.com>...
> > My YJ came with BFG Muds (33x12.5) When I bought it. I hated them.
> > aside from a bit too noisy they sucked in the snow. Those hard rubber
> > aggressive treads held packed snow and was like driving on 4 snow boards.
> > I switched to All Terrain's (35x12.5) and sold the muds in the middle of
> > mud season for $85 each.
> >
> > Then I ran the AT's that spring and summer and found them ok in mud and
> > snow but lacking in sand. It's not uncommon to go from a mud bogg to a
> > sand pit around here. The noise was much better but still a little too
> > loud if it mattered. I talked to a local 4x4 shop and they told me to
> > look at the new tread design on the Mickey Thompson Baja's. They said
> > they were getting great reviews from the locals for snow, mud and sand.
> >
> > After seeing a set I upgraded to them (36X12.5) and haven't looked back.
> > They were about $40 more in cost each than the AT' equivalents but I got
> > $100 each for my 5 AT's in trade. I've had them on for 3 years now and
> > they still have plenty of tread. They're quieter and are better in the
> > snow and mud then my AT's were.
> > I had a long, long dirt hill driveway that became mud in the spring.
> > I needed 4x4's just to make it up to the house in the winter and spring.
> > It is very easy to compare when you have the same testing driveway
> > year in and year out.
> >
> > You might be surprised but I have an AWD Grand Caravan that handled this
> > driveway/hill very well too. I also had a 1966 Scout that had no problem
> > plowing it in the winter. ;-)
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Perry
> >
> > 87YJ 36X12.5 MT Baja's
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John Welch wrote:
> > > 99 Wrangler.
> > > I want to keep the tight turning radius (really love that on modern
> > > Jeeps) so planning on 31's.
> > > Over the next 4 years this jeep will see about 80,000 miles. I will
> > > drive it 50 miles a day to work on freeway. On weekends I will be in
> > > muddy pastures with cows and driving down firelanes in timberland (I
> > > need to save up for lockers too. That will be another post around
> > > christmas time (if I am a good boy)), so I am thinking mud, not rocks.
> > > I like the looks of the BFG MT's, but am wondering if AT would be a
> > > better compromise.
> > > I would like to hear the experience of other Jeep owners.
> > >
> > > Thank you very much
> > > John Welch
> > >
> > >>/<
> > >