Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
01-11-2005, 08:23 PM
#111
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
Neutral or clutch depressed is a very bad idea. You have MUCH more control
descending a hill while in gear, in 4-Lo. That way the front and rear axels
are locked together, so when you feather the brakes, both axels will get
equal braking power. In 4-Lo, the engine will do most of the braking for
you.
The front brakes are much more powerful, so feathering the brakes while in
the transmission is in neutral and the transfer case is in 4-Hi or neutral,
will apply almost all of the braking power to the fronts and almost none to
the rears.
If you have drums in the rear as most TJ's do, the rear brakes offer very
little stopping power while descending a hill in reverse. Drum brakes have a
"self energizing" action that makes them work better while braking in a
forward motion. The brake shoes are "jammed" into the drums harder while
braking in a forward motion.
Tom
"Rich Hampel" <RhmpL33@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:110120051251586525%RhmpL33@nospam.net...
> An alternative is to put it in neutral and feather the brakes. ....
> this requires that the brakes are well set-up and 'equal' front to
> rear.
> Works well on solid 'black' ice as well as hardpack snow.
>
descending a hill while in gear, in 4-Lo. That way the front and rear axels
are locked together, so when you feather the brakes, both axels will get
equal braking power. In 4-Lo, the engine will do most of the braking for
you.
The front brakes are much more powerful, so feathering the brakes while in
the transmission is in neutral and the transfer case is in 4-Hi or neutral,
will apply almost all of the braking power to the fronts and almost none to
the rears.
If you have drums in the rear as most TJ's do, the rear brakes offer very
little stopping power while descending a hill in reverse. Drum brakes have a
"self energizing" action that makes them work better while braking in a
forward motion. The brake shoes are "jammed" into the drums harder while
braking in a forward motion.
Tom
"Rich Hampel" <RhmpL33@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:110120051251586525%RhmpL33@nospam.net...
> An alternative is to put it in neutral and feather the brakes. ....
> this requires that the brakes are well set-up and 'equal' front to
> rear.
> Works well on solid 'black' ice as well as hardpack snow.
>
01-11-2005, 08:23 PM
#112
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
Neutral or clutch depressed is a very bad idea. You have MUCH more control
descending a hill while in gear, in 4-Lo. That way the front and rear axels
are locked together, so when you feather the brakes, both axels will get
equal braking power. In 4-Lo, the engine will do most of the braking for
you.
The front brakes are much more powerful, so feathering the brakes while in
the transmission is in neutral and the transfer case is in 4-Hi or neutral,
will apply almost all of the braking power to the fronts and almost none to
the rears.
If you have drums in the rear as most TJ's do, the rear brakes offer very
little stopping power while descending a hill in reverse. Drum brakes have a
"self energizing" action that makes them work better while braking in a
forward motion. The brake shoes are "jammed" into the drums harder while
braking in a forward motion.
Tom
"Rich Hampel" <RhmpL33@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:110120051251586525%RhmpL33@nospam.net...
> An alternative is to put it in neutral and feather the brakes. ....
> this requires that the brakes are well set-up and 'equal' front to
> rear.
> Works well on solid 'black' ice as well as hardpack snow.
>
descending a hill while in gear, in 4-Lo. That way the front and rear axels
are locked together, so when you feather the brakes, both axels will get
equal braking power. In 4-Lo, the engine will do most of the braking for
you.
The front brakes are much more powerful, so feathering the brakes while in
the transmission is in neutral and the transfer case is in 4-Hi or neutral,
will apply almost all of the braking power to the fronts and almost none to
the rears.
If you have drums in the rear as most TJ's do, the rear brakes offer very
little stopping power while descending a hill in reverse. Drum brakes have a
"self energizing" action that makes them work better while braking in a
forward motion. The brake shoes are "jammed" into the drums harder while
braking in a forward motion.
Tom
"Rich Hampel" <RhmpL33@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:110120051251586525%RhmpL33@nospam.net...
> An alternative is to put it in neutral and feather the brakes. ....
> this requires that the brakes are well set-up and 'equal' front to
> rear.
> Works well on solid 'black' ice as well as hardpack snow.
>
01-11-2005, 08:45 PM
#113
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
I've been in 4-lo in very icy conditions and found that I had to give it gas
to be sure the wheels turned enough to allow me some direction control.
Sometimes engine braking can do the same as locking up the tires altogether!
"mabar" <xyzz4567@HotPop.com> wrote in message
news:41e47c61_4@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> Neutral or clutch depressed is a very bad idea. You have MUCH more control
> descending a hill while in gear, in 4-Lo. That way the front and rear
> axels
> are locked together, so when you feather the brakes, both axels will get
> equal braking power. In 4-Lo, the engine will do most of the braking for
> you.
>
> The front brakes are much more powerful, so feathering the brakes while in
> the transmission is in neutral and the transfer case is in 4-Hi or
> neutral,
> will apply almost all of the braking power to the fronts and almost none
> to
> the rears.
>
> If you have drums in the rear as most TJ's do, the rear brakes offer very
> little stopping power while descending a hill in reverse. Drum brakes have
> a
> "self energizing" action that makes them work better while braking in a
> forward motion. The brake shoes are "jammed" into the drums harder while
> braking in a forward motion.
>
> Tom
>
> "Rich Hampel" <RhmpL33@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:110120051251586525%RhmpL33@nospam.net...
>> An alternative is to put it in neutral and feather the brakes. ....
>> this requires that the brakes are well set-up and 'equal' front to
>> rear.
>> Works well on solid 'black' ice as well as hardpack snow.
>>
>
>
to be sure the wheels turned enough to allow me some direction control.
Sometimes engine braking can do the same as locking up the tires altogether!
"mabar" <xyzz4567@HotPop.com> wrote in message
news:41e47c61_4@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> Neutral or clutch depressed is a very bad idea. You have MUCH more control
> descending a hill while in gear, in 4-Lo. That way the front and rear
> axels
> are locked together, so when you feather the brakes, both axels will get
> equal braking power. In 4-Lo, the engine will do most of the braking for
> you.
>
> The front brakes are much more powerful, so feathering the brakes while in
> the transmission is in neutral and the transfer case is in 4-Hi or
> neutral,
> will apply almost all of the braking power to the fronts and almost none
> to
> the rears.
>
> If you have drums in the rear as most TJ's do, the rear brakes offer very
> little stopping power while descending a hill in reverse. Drum brakes have
> a
> "self energizing" action that makes them work better while braking in a
> forward motion. The brake shoes are "jammed" into the drums harder while
> braking in a forward motion.
>
> Tom
>
> "Rich Hampel" <RhmpL33@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:110120051251586525%RhmpL33@nospam.net...
>> An alternative is to put it in neutral and feather the brakes. ....
>> this requires that the brakes are well set-up and 'equal' front to
>> rear.
>> Works well on solid 'black' ice as well as hardpack snow.
>>
>
>
01-11-2005, 08:45 PM
#114
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
I've been in 4-lo in very icy conditions and found that I had to give it gas
to be sure the wheels turned enough to allow me some direction control.
Sometimes engine braking can do the same as locking up the tires altogether!
"mabar" <xyzz4567@HotPop.com> wrote in message
news:41e47c61_4@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> Neutral or clutch depressed is a very bad idea. You have MUCH more control
> descending a hill while in gear, in 4-Lo. That way the front and rear
> axels
> are locked together, so when you feather the brakes, both axels will get
> equal braking power. In 4-Lo, the engine will do most of the braking for
> you.
>
> The front brakes are much more powerful, so feathering the brakes while in
> the transmission is in neutral and the transfer case is in 4-Hi or
> neutral,
> will apply almost all of the braking power to the fronts and almost none
> to
> the rears.
>
> If you have drums in the rear as most TJ's do, the rear brakes offer very
> little stopping power while descending a hill in reverse. Drum brakes have
> a
> "self energizing" action that makes them work better while braking in a
> forward motion. The brake shoes are "jammed" into the drums harder while
> braking in a forward motion.
>
> Tom
>
> "Rich Hampel" <RhmpL33@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:110120051251586525%RhmpL33@nospam.net...
>> An alternative is to put it in neutral and feather the brakes. ....
>> this requires that the brakes are well set-up and 'equal' front to
>> rear.
>> Works well on solid 'black' ice as well as hardpack snow.
>>
>
>
to be sure the wheels turned enough to allow me some direction control.
Sometimes engine braking can do the same as locking up the tires altogether!
"mabar" <xyzz4567@HotPop.com> wrote in message
news:41e47c61_4@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> Neutral or clutch depressed is a very bad idea. You have MUCH more control
> descending a hill while in gear, in 4-Lo. That way the front and rear
> axels
> are locked together, so when you feather the brakes, both axels will get
> equal braking power. In 4-Lo, the engine will do most of the braking for
> you.
>
> The front brakes are much more powerful, so feathering the brakes while in
> the transmission is in neutral and the transfer case is in 4-Hi or
> neutral,
> will apply almost all of the braking power to the fronts and almost none
> to
> the rears.
>
> If you have drums in the rear as most TJ's do, the rear brakes offer very
> little stopping power while descending a hill in reverse. Drum brakes have
> a
> "self energizing" action that makes them work better while braking in a
> forward motion. The brake shoes are "jammed" into the drums harder while
> braking in a forward motion.
>
> Tom
>
> "Rich Hampel" <RhmpL33@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:110120051251586525%RhmpL33@nospam.net...
>> An alternative is to put it in neutral and feather the brakes. ....
>> this requires that the brakes are well set-up and 'equal' front to
>> rear.
>> Works well on solid 'black' ice as well as hardpack snow.
>>
>
>
01-11-2005, 08:45 PM
#115
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
I've been in 4-lo in very icy conditions and found that I had to give it gas
to be sure the wheels turned enough to allow me some direction control.
Sometimes engine braking can do the same as locking up the tires altogether!
"mabar" <xyzz4567@HotPop.com> wrote in message
news:41e47c61_4@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> Neutral or clutch depressed is a very bad idea. You have MUCH more control
> descending a hill while in gear, in 4-Lo. That way the front and rear
> axels
> are locked together, so when you feather the brakes, both axels will get
> equal braking power. In 4-Lo, the engine will do most of the braking for
> you.
>
> The front brakes are much more powerful, so feathering the brakes while in
> the transmission is in neutral and the transfer case is in 4-Hi or
> neutral,
> will apply almost all of the braking power to the fronts and almost none
> to
> the rears.
>
> If you have drums in the rear as most TJ's do, the rear brakes offer very
> little stopping power while descending a hill in reverse. Drum brakes have
> a
> "self energizing" action that makes them work better while braking in a
> forward motion. The brake shoes are "jammed" into the drums harder while
> braking in a forward motion.
>
> Tom
>
> "Rich Hampel" <RhmpL33@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:110120051251586525%RhmpL33@nospam.net...
>> An alternative is to put it in neutral and feather the brakes. ....
>> this requires that the brakes are well set-up and 'equal' front to
>> rear.
>> Works well on solid 'black' ice as well as hardpack snow.
>>
>
>
to be sure the wheels turned enough to allow me some direction control.
Sometimes engine braking can do the same as locking up the tires altogether!
"mabar" <xyzz4567@HotPop.com> wrote in message
news:41e47c61_4@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> Neutral or clutch depressed is a very bad idea. You have MUCH more control
> descending a hill while in gear, in 4-Lo. That way the front and rear
> axels
> are locked together, so when you feather the brakes, both axels will get
> equal braking power. In 4-Lo, the engine will do most of the braking for
> you.
>
> The front brakes are much more powerful, so feathering the brakes while in
> the transmission is in neutral and the transfer case is in 4-Hi or
> neutral,
> will apply almost all of the braking power to the fronts and almost none
> to
> the rears.
>
> If you have drums in the rear as most TJ's do, the rear brakes offer very
> little stopping power while descending a hill in reverse. Drum brakes have
> a
> "self energizing" action that makes them work better while braking in a
> forward motion. The brake shoes are "jammed" into the drums harder while
> braking in a forward motion.
>
> Tom
>
> "Rich Hampel" <RhmpL33@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:110120051251586525%RhmpL33@nospam.net...
>> An alternative is to put it in neutral and feather the brakes. ....
>> this requires that the brakes are well set-up and 'equal' front to
>> rear.
>> Works well on solid 'black' ice as well as hardpack snow.
>>
>
>
01-11-2005, 10:54 PM
#116
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41E45C92.41B8A9A1@sympatico.ca...
> You 'desert rats' have no idea what it is like to have absolutely 'no'
> control at all no matter what you do. LOL!
>
That's entirely true ;-). We only think we know what slippery means because
we drive on hardpack with a thin layer of sand that acts like BBs under the
tires.
> It is a really spooky feeling just sitting there and the damn vehicle is
> going to do what 'it' wants to, no matter how hard you curse at it or
> hit pedals!
>
> All you can do is lock it up to attempt to stop or aim it right to the
> 'correct' ditch and hope it isn't too deep a ditch or too long a walk
> out....
>
> We were in those conditions over New Years.....
>
That is also true, but when you are trying to get everything locked up and
battoned down, mashing the clutch pedal seems to be contrary to the affect
one is trying to achieve.
I once observed a newbie in a CJ7 depress the clutch on a decent - a long
decent - and use the brakes to keep thinigs under contol. As we watched
things go from bad to worse, he finally let the clutch out suddenly. It
couldn't take it and literally exploded. At least the guy had the mechanical
understanding to be able to shift with out his clutch, and he was able to
get home once we got him back to the highway. My ONLY point was that the
engine is your friend, and you want it connected to the tires pretty much
all of the time.
01-11-2005, 10:54 PM
#117
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41E45C92.41B8A9A1@sympatico.ca...
> You 'desert rats' have no idea what it is like to have absolutely 'no'
> control at all no matter what you do. LOL!
>
That's entirely true ;-). We only think we know what slippery means because
we drive on hardpack with a thin layer of sand that acts like BBs under the
tires.
> It is a really spooky feeling just sitting there and the damn vehicle is
> going to do what 'it' wants to, no matter how hard you curse at it or
> hit pedals!
>
> All you can do is lock it up to attempt to stop or aim it right to the
> 'correct' ditch and hope it isn't too deep a ditch or too long a walk
> out....
>
> We were in those conditions over New Years.....
>
That is also true, but when you are trying to get everything locked up and
battoned down, mashing the clutch pedal seems to be contrary to the affect
one is trying to achieve.
I once observed a newbie in a CJ7 depress the clutch on a decent - a long
decent - and use the brakes to keep thinigs under contol. As we watched
things go from bad to worse, he finally let the clutch out suddenly. It
couldn't take it and literally exploded. At least the guy had the mechanical
understanding to be able to shift with out his clutch, and he was able to
get home once we got him back to the highway. My ONLY point was that the
engine is your friend, and you want it connected to the tires pretty much
all of the time.
01-11-2005, 10:54 PM
#118
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41E45C92.41B8A9A1@sympatico.ca...
> You 'desert rats' have no idea what it is like to have absolutely 'no'
> control at all no matter what you do. LOL!
>
That's entirely true ;-). We only think we know what slippery means because
we drive on hardpack with a thin layer of sand that acts like BBs under the
tires.
> It is a really spooky feeling just sitting there and the damn vehicle is
> going to do what 'it' wants to, no matter how hard you curse at it or
> hit pedals!
>
> All you can do is lock it up to attempt to stop or aim it right to the
> 'correct' ditch and hope it isn't too deep a ditch or too long a walk
> out....
>
> We were in those conditions over New Years.....
>
That is also true, but when you are trying to get everything locked up and
battoned down, mashing the clutch pedal seems to be contrary to the affect
one is trying to achieve.
I once observed a newbie in a CJ7 depress the clutch on a decent - a long
decent - and use the brakes to keep thinigs under contol. As we watched
things go from bad to worse, he finally let the clutch out suddenly. It
couldn't take it and literally exploded. At least the guy had the mechanical
understanding to be able to shift with out his clutch, and he was able to
get home once we got him back to the highway. My ONLY point was that the
engine is your friend, and you want it connected to the tires pretty much
all of the time.
01-11-2005, 10:58 PM
#119
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
That is true too. The trick is to find that crucial balance where the engine
is both the Go and the Stop, or sometimes the best one can hope for is Slow
Down.
"SteveBrady" <steve.brady@(remove this)rogers.com> wrote in message
news:kZSdnQZdfYDJHHncRVn-gg@rogers.com...
> I've been in 4-lo in very icy conditions and found that I had to give it
gas
> to be sure the wheels turned enough to allow me some direction control.
> Sometimes engine braking can do the same as locking up the tires
altogether!
>
>
> "mabar" <xyzz4567@HotPop.com> wrote in message
> news:41e47c61_4@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > Neutral or clutch depressed is a very bad idea. You have MUCH more
control
> > descending a hill while in gear, in 4-Lo. That way the front and rear
> > axels
> > are locked together, so when you feather the brakes, both axels will get
> > equal braking power. In 4-Lo, the engine will do most of the braking for
> > you.
> >
> > The front brakes are much more powerful, so feathering the brakes while
in
> > the transmission is in neutral and the transfer case is in 4-Hi or
> > neutral,
> > will apply almost all of the braking power to the fronts and almost none
> > to
> > the rears.
> >
> > If you have drums in the rear as most TJ's do, the rear brakes offer
very
> > little stopping power while descending a hill in reverse. Drum brakes
have
> > a
> > "self energizing" action that makes them work better while braking in a
> > forward motion. The brake shoes are "jammed" into the drums harder while
> > braking in a forward motion.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > "Rich Hampel" <RhmpL33@nospam.net> wrote in message
> > news:110120051251586525%RhmpL33@nospam.net...
> >> An alternative is to put it in neutral and feather the brakes. ....
> >> this requires that the brakes are well set-up and 'equal' front to
> >> rear.
> >> Works well on solid 'black' ice as well as hardpack snow.
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
is both the Go and the Stop, or sometimes the best one can hope for is Slow
Down.
"SteveBrady" <steve.brady@(remove this)rogers.com> wrote in message
news:kZSdnQZdfYDJHHncRVn-gg@rogers.com...
> I've been in 4-lo in very icy conditions and found that I had to give it
gas
> to be sure the wheels turned enough to allow me some direction control.
> Sometimes engine braking can do the same as locking up the tires
altogether!
>
>
> "mabar" <xyzz4567@HotPop.com> wrote in message
> news:41e47c61_4@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > Neutral or clutch depressed is a very bad idea. You have MUCH more
control
> > descending a hill while in gear, in 4-Lo. That way the front and rear
> > axels
> > are locked together, so when you feather the brakes, both axels will get
> > equal braking power. In 4-Lo, the engine will do most of the braking for
> > you.
> >
> > The front brakes are much more powerful, so feathering the brakes while
in
> > the transmission is in neutral and the transfer case is in 4-Hi or
> > neutral,
> > will apply almost all of the braking power to the fronts and almost none
> > to
> > the rears.
> >
> > If you have drums in the rear as most TJ's do, the rear brakes offer
very
> > little stopping power while descending a hill in reverse. Drum brakes
have
> > a
> > "self energizing" action that makes them work better while braking in a
> > forward motion. The brake shoes are "jammed" into the drums harder while
> > braking in a forward motion.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > "Rich Hampel" <RhmpL33@nospam.net> wrote in message
> > news:110120051251586525%RhmpL33@nospam.net...
> >> An alternative is to put it in neutral and feather the brakes. ....
> >> this requires that the brakes are well set-up and 'equal' front to
> >> rear.
> >> Works well on solid 'black' ice as well as hardpack snow.
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
01-11-2005, 10:58 PM
#120
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
That is true too. The trick is to find that crucial balance where the engine
is both the Go and the Stop, or sometimes the best one can hope for is Slow
Down.
"SteveBrady" <steve.brady@(remove this)rogers.com> wrote in message
news:kZSdnQZdfYDJHHncRVn-gg@rogers.com...
> I've been in 4-lo in very icy conditions and found that I had to give it
gas
> to be sure the wheels turned enough to allow me some direction control.
> Sometimes engine braking can do the same as locking up the tires
altogether!
>
>
> "mabar" <xyzz4567@HotPop.com> wrote in message
> news:41e47c61_4@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > Neutral or clutch depressed is a very bad idea. You have MUCH more
control
> > descending a hill while in gear, in 4-Lo. That way the front and rear
> > axels
> > are locked together, so when you feather the brakes, both axels will get
> > equal braking power. In 4-Lo, the engine will do most of the braking for
> > you.
> >
> > The front brakes are much more powerful, so feathering the brakes while
in
> > the transmission is in neutral and the transfer case is in 4-Hi or
> > neutral,
> > will apply almost all of the braking power to the fronts and almost none
> > to
> > the rears.
> >
> > If you have drums in the rear as most TJ's do, the rear brakes offer
very
> > little stopping power while descending a hill in reverse. Drum brakes
have
> > a
> > "self energizing" action that makes them work better while braking in a
> > forward motion. The brake shoes are "jammed" into the drums harder while
> > braking in a forward motion.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > "Rich Hampel" <RhmpL33@nospam.net> wrote in message
> > news:110120051251586525%RhmpL33@nospam.net...
> >> An alternative is to put it in neutral and feather the brakes. ....
> >> this requires that the brakes are well set-up and 'equal' front to
> >> rear.
> >> Works well on solid 'black' ice as well as hardpack snow.
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
is both the Go and the Stop, or sometimes the best one can hope for is Slow
Down.
"SteveBrady" <steve.brady@(remove this)rogers.com> wrote in message
news:kZSdnQZdfYDJHHncRVn-gg@rogers.com...
> I've been in 4-lo in very icy conditions and found that I had to give it
gas
> to be sure the wheels turned enough to allow me some direction control.
> Sometimes engine braking can do the same as locking up the tires
altogether!
>
>
> "mabar" <xyzz4567@HotPop.com> wrote in message
> news:41e47c61_4@newsfeed.slurp.net...
> > Neutral or clutch depressed is a very bad idea. You have MUCH more
control
> > descending a hill while in gear, in 4-Lo. That way the front and rear
> > axels
> > are locked together, so when you feather the brakes, both axels will get
> > equal braking power. In 4-Lo, the engine will do most of the braking for
> > you.
> >
> > The front brakes are much more powerful, so feathering the brakes while
in
> > the transmission is in neutral and the transfer case is in 4-Hi or
> > neutral,
> > will apply almost all of the braking power to the fronts and almost none
> > to
> > the rears.
> >
> > If you have drums in the rear as most TJ's do, the rear brakes offer
very
> > little stopping power while descending a hill in reverse. Drum brakes
have
> > a
> > "self energizing" action that makes them work better while braking in a
> > forward motion. The brake shoes are "jammed" into the drums harder while
> > braking in a forward motion.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > "Rich Hampel" <RhmpL33@nospam.net> wrote in message
> > news:110120051251586525%RhmpL33@nospam.net...
> >> An alternative is to put it in neutral and feather the brakes. ....
> >> this requires that the brakes are well set-up and 'equal' front to
> >> rear.
> >> Works well on solid 'black' ice as well as hardpack snow.
> >>
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