Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
01-11-2005, 03:47 PM
#91
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
So, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
release your brakes, ABS will allow you to stop on ice?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right. If
> you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is sliding
> anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
release your brakes, ABS will allow you to stop on ice?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right. If
> you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is sliding
> anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
01-11-2005, 04:54 PM
#92
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
tire on each axle has no traction?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right. If
> you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is sliding
> anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
tire on each axle has no traction?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right. If
> you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is sliding
> anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
01-11-2005, 04:54 PM
#93
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
tire on each axle has no traction?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right. If
> you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is sliding
> anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
tire on each axle has no traction?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right. If
> you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is sliding
> anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
01-11-2005, 04:54 PM
#94
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
tire on each axle has no traction?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right. If
> you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is sliding
> anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
tire on each axle has no traction?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right. If
> you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is sliding
> anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
01-11-2005, 05:20 PM
#95
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
Bill, the magic number seems to be 5 mph where the ABS 'turns off'
according to a brochure that came with Jerry B's TJ.
Though I have 'never' seen an ABS equipped Jeep skid to a stop like
folks are trying to convince me theirs can.....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> tire on each axle has no traction?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right. If
> > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is sliding
> > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
according to a brochure that came with Jerry B's TJ.
Though I have 'never' seen an ABS equipped Jeep skid to a stop like
folks are trying to convince me theirs can.....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> tire on each axle has no traction?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right. If
> > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is sliding
> > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
01-11-2005, 05:20 PM
#96
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
Bill, the magic number seems to be 5 mph where the ABS 'turns off'
according to a brochure that came with Jerry B's TJ.
Though I have 'never' seen an ABS equipped Jeep skid to a stop like
folks are trying to convince me theirs can.....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> tire on each axle has no traction?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right. If
> > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is sliding
> > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
according to a brochure that came with Jerry B's TJ.
Though I have 'never' seen an ABS equipped Jeep skid to a stop like
folks are trying to convince me theirs can.....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> tire on each axle has no traction?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right. If
> > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is sliding
> > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
01-11-2005, 05:20 PM
#97
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
Bill, the magic number seems to be 5 mph where the ABS 'turns off'
according to a brochure that came with Jerry B's TJ.
Though I have 'never' seen an ABS equipped Jeep skid to a stop like
folks are trying to convince me theirs can.....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> tire on each axle has no traction?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right. If
> > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is sliding
> > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
according to a brochure that came with Jerry B's TJ.
Though I have 'never' seen an ABS equipped Jeep skid to a stop like
folks are trying to convince me theirs can.....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> tire on each axle has no traction?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right. If
> > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is sliding
> > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
01-11-2005, 05:26 PM
#98
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
That is not the scenario we were talking about, Bill.
We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the ice.
ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds drop
below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a speed
to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which the
system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not able to
prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an attempt
to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes may or
may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the equation
by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> tire on each axle has no traction?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right.
If
> > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
sliding
> > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the ice.
ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds drop
below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a speed
to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which the
system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not able to
prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an attempt
to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes may or
may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the equation
by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> tire on each axle has no traction?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right.
If
> > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
sliding
> > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
01-11-2005, 05:26 PM
#99
Guest
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
That is not the scenario we were talking about, Bill.
We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the ice.
ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds drop
below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a speed
to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which the
system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not able to
prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an attempt
to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes may or
may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the equation
by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> tire on each axle has no traction?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right.
If
> > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
sliding
> > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the ice.
ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds drop
below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a speed
to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which the
system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not able to
prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an attempt
to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes may or
may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the equation
by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> tire on each axle has no traction?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right.
If
> > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
sliding
> > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
01-11-2005, 05:26 PM
#100
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
That is not the scenario we were talking about, Bill.
We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the ice.
ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds drop
below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a speed
to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which the
system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not able to
prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an attempt
to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes may or
may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the equation
by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> tire on each axle has no traction?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right.
If
> > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
sliding
> > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the ice.
ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds drop
below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a speed
to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which the
system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not able to
prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an attempt
to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes may or
may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the equation
by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> tire on each axle has no traction?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right.
If
> > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
sliding
> > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.