scopenutt@yahoo.com

well me and the wife decided to go play in the snow so we climed a
local logging road up a nearby mountain,
i got 3/4 of the way up doing good no squirelling just a fun drive
through 3 inches of snow,
im running all-terrain raidials 30X950,
then we got to a steep incline and i started spinning,
and sliding backwards,
let in the cluthh and weeeeeee
2 --360,s and no stopping, so i did what i always do i headed for the
ditch,,,as there wasnt any ground on the other side of the road, just a
steep, sheer, downward incline, no gardrails up here,
once safely in the ditch, i climed up the pasenger seat and got out.
after the wife, watching her imediatly land on her butt, i was more
carefull,
NOT kissed my *** also,
HMMMM,,,packed, crust, with a nice powder coating, whooo weeeeee,
and a 1/4 mile downward to a level area,
,
used the high-lift to jack my front and rear over onto the road,
(i know Bill, but the bottle jack wasnt going to cut it)
opened the passenger door and leaned on it to get in,
and the dam jeep started sliding down the road, luckily back into the
ditch, and only 10 feet, thanking god for an inward crown
i decided to try and drive the ditch,
so down i went,
(later by the way i saw i was over sideways enough for my
power-steering fluid to leak out of my tank,)
i got pritty far down and hit a culvert, crap, after digging some and
backing and running hard i bounced up over,
getting out after ditchin it again, i looked at my front,
i now was sporting a bent leaf-spring on the drivers side,
GRRRRRRRERRR
drove quite a ways down the side close to te ditch,
and then once again started to slide,
again ditched it, and into another culvert, this time
a flat tire, and the high-lift wasnt going to get me out, i was almost
on my side,
it was starting to warm up some, and another rig was comming up the
road, he stopped laughed at me and helped pul me out,
got around a hair-pin corner that was sporting a pluming van
off the edge and into the sun, good road, and down we went
flat and all 5 miles an hour,
stopped at the bottom and changed the tire,
slow drive home,
,
temp-cure for my bent spring, 2X6 jamed between bumper and garage
cieling, bottle-jack (it does have its uses) under bent leaf
jacked like hell, bent it up past straight, sat and smoked a cig,
and swore alot,
releved tension, now almost straight but definatly crap,
,
i was told by a friend that i would have gotten better traction if i
had aired-down my tires, to 5-10 pounds,
is this true on packed slick snow on a very steep incline??
i grew up in maine and was always told thin and narrow was better
in snow,
i dont even think chains would have helped me,
,
i got lucky, and i know it, i could ov had a short ride, straight down,
im done with my mountain driving for this year,
,
johnP-almost in my pants,

Mike Romain

Wow, another one who thinks 4x4 makes him invincible!

I am glad to hear you are still alive.

You were asking about 4x4 driving? Well, that was 'not' how you do
it....

When you cannot walk on the trail, you cannot head up the side of a
mountain on it, that's for sure!

We were out for 5 days over New Years and the trails went glass ice. We
stayed at camp the whole trip!

One person, (read half idiot) 'had' to leave for work and he had to ride
a snow bank for 10 km to get to a passable road. If the snow bank
hadn't of been there, he would have 'had' to wait like the rest of us.
As it was we were expecting them to come walking back looking for a
winch out.

Chains are about the only thing that might have helped you, but watch
it, Darwin has your number....
;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

scopenutt@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> well me and the wife decided to go play in the snow so we climed a
> local logging road up a nearby mountain,
> i got 3/4 of the way up doing good no squirelling just a fun drive
> through 3 inches of snow,
> im running all-terrain raidials 30X950,
> then we got to a steep incline and i started spinning,
> and sliding backwards,
> let in the cluthh and weeeeeee
> 2 --360,s and no stopping, so i did what i always do i headed for the
> ditch,,,as there wasnt any ground on the other side of the road, just a
> steep, sheer, downward incline, no gardrails up here,
> once safely in the ditch, i climed up the pasenger seat and got out.
> after the wife, watching her imediatly land on her butt, i was more
> carefull,
> NOT kissed my *** also,
> HMMMM,,,packed, crust, with a nice powder coating, whooo weeeeee,
> and a 1/4 mile downward to a level area,
> ,
> used the high-lift to jack my front and rear over onto the road,
> (i know Bill, but the bottle jack wasnt going to cut it)
> opened the passenger door and leaned on it to get in,
> and the dam jeep started sliding down the road, luckily back into the
> ditch, and only 10 feet, thanking god for an inward crown
> i decided to try and drive the ditch,
> so down i went,
> (later by the way i saw i was over sideways enough for my
> power-steering fluid to leak out of my tank,)
> i got pritty far down and hit a culvert, crap, after digging some and
> backing and running hard i bounced up over,
> getting out after ditchin it again, i looked at my front,
> i now was sporting a bent leaf-spring on the drivers side,
> GRRRRRRRERRR
> drove quite a ways down the side close to te ditch,
> and then once again started to slide,
> again ditched it, and into another culvert, this time
> a flat tire, and the high-lift wasnt going to get me out, i was almost
> on my side,
> it was starting to warm up some, and another rig was comming up the
> road, he stopped laughed at me and helped pul me out,
> got around a hair-pin corner that was sporting a pluming van
> off the edge and into the sun, good road, and down we went
> flat and all 5 miles an hour,
> stopped at the bottom and changed the tire,
> slow drive home,
> ,
> temp-cure for my bent spring, 2X6 jamed between bumper and garage
> cieling, bottle-jack (it does have its uses) under bent leaf
> jacked like hell, bent it up past straight, sat and smoked a cig,
> and swore alot,
> releved tension, now almost straight but definatly crap,
> ,
> i was told by a friend that i would have gotten better traction if i
> had aired-down my tires, to 5-10 pounds,
> is this true on packed slick snow on a very steep incline??
> i grew up in maine and was always told thin and narrow was better
> in snow,
> i dont even think chains would have helped me,
> ,
> i got lucky, and i know it, i could ov had a short ride, straight down,
> im done with my mountain driving for this year,
> ,
> johnP-almost in my pants,

Mike Romain

Wow, another one who thinks 4x4 makes him invincible!

I am glad to hear you are still alive.

You were asking about 4x4 driving? Well, that was 'not' how you do
it....

When you cannot walk on the trail, you cannot head up the side of a
mountain on it, that's for sure!

We were out for 5 days over New Years and the trails went glass ice. We
stayed at camp the whole trip!

One person, (read half idiot) 'had' to leave for work and he had to ride
a snow bank for 10 km to get to a passable road. If the snow bank
hadn't of been there, he would have 'had' to wait like the rest of us.
As it was we were expecting them to come walking back looking for a
winch out.

Chains are about the only thing that might have helped you, but watch
it, Darwin has your number....
;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

scopenutt@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> well me and the wife decided to go play in the snow so we climed a
> local logging road up a nearby mountain,
> i got 3/4 of the way up doing good no squirelling just a fun drive
> through 3 inches of snow,
> im running all-terrain raidials 30X950,
> then we got to a steep incline and i started spinning,
> and sliding backwards,
> let in the cluthh and weeeeeee
> 2 --360,s and no stopping, so i did what i always do i headed for the
> ditch,,,as there wasnt any ground on the other side of the road, just a
> steep, sheer, downward incline, no gardrails up here,
> once safely in the ditch, i climed up the pasenger seat and got out.
> after the wife, watching her imediatly land on her butt, i was more
> carefull,
> NOT kissed my *** also,
> HMMMM,,,packed, crust, with a nice powder coating, whooo weeeeee,
> and a 1/4 mile downward to a level area,
> ,
> used the high-lift to jack my front and rear over onto the road,
> (i know Bill, but the bottle jack wasnt going to cut it)
> opened the passenger door and leaned on it to get in,
> and the dam jeep started sliding down the road, luckily back into the
> ditch, and only 10 feet, thanking god for an inward crown
> i decided to try and drive the ditch,
> so down i went,
> (later by the way i saw i was over sideways enough for my
> power-steering fluid to leak out of my tank,)
> i got pritty far down and hit a culvert, crap, after digging some and
> backing and running hard i bounced up over,
> getting out after ditchin it again, i looked at my front,
> i now was sporting a bent leaf-spring on the drivers side,
> GRRRRRRRERRR
> drove quite a ways down the side close to te ditch,
> and then once again started to slide,
> again ditched it, and into another culvert, this time
> a flat tire, and the high-lift wasnt going to get me out, i was almost
> on my side,
> it was starting to warm up some, and another rig was comming up the
> road, he stopped laughed at me and helped pul me out,
> got around a hair-pin corner that was sporting a pluming van
> off the edge and into the sun, good road, and down we went
> flat and all 5 miles an hour,
> stopped at the bottom and changed the tire,
> slow drive home,
> ,
> temp-cure for my bent spring, 2X6 jamed between bumper and garage
> cieling, bottle-jack (it does have its uses) under bent leaf
> jacked like hell, bent it up past straight, sat and smoked a cig,
> and swore alot,
> releved tension, now almost straight but definatly crap,
> ,
> i was told by a friend that i would have gotten better traction if i
> had aired-down my tires, to 5-10 pounds,
> is this true on packed slick snow on a very steep incline??
> i grew up in maine and was always told thin and narrow was better
> in snow,
> i dont even think chains would have helped me,
> ,
> i got lucky, and i know it, i could ov had a short ride, straight down,
> im done with my mountain driving for this year,
> ,
> johnP-almost in my pants,

Mike Romain

Wow, another one who thinks 4x4 makes him invincible!

I am glad to hear you are still alive.

You were asking about 4x4 driving? Well, that was 'not' how you do
it....

When you cannot walk on the trail, you cannot head up the side of a
mountain on it, that's for sure!

We were out for 5 days over New Years and the trails went glass ice. We
stayed at camp the whole trip!

One person, (read half idiot) 'had' to leave for work and he had to ride
a snow bank for 10 km to get to a passable road. If the snow bank
hadn't of been there, he would have 'had' to wait like the rest of us.
As it was we were expecting them to come walking back looking for a
winch out.

Chains are about the only thing that might have helped you, but watch
it, Darwin has your number....
;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

scopenutt@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> well me and the wife decided to go play in the snow so we climed a
> local logging road up a nearby mountain,
> i got 3/4 of the way up doing good no squirelling just a fun drive
> through 3 inches of snow,
> im running all-terrain raidials 30X950,
> then we got to a steep incline and i started spinning,
> and sliding backwards,
> let in the cluthh and weeeeeee
> 2 --360,s and no stopping, so i did what i always do i headed for the
> ditch,,,as there wasnt any ground on the other side of the road, just a
> steep, sheer, downward incline, no gardrails up here,
> once safely in the ditch, i climed up the pasenger seat and got out.
> after the wife, watching her imediatly land on her butt, i was more
> carefull,
> NOT kissed my *** also,
> HMMMM,,,packed, crust, with a nice powder coating, whooo weeeeee,
> and a 1/4 mile downward to a level area,
> ,
> used the high-lift to jack my front and rear over onto the road,
> (i know Bill, but the bottle jack wasnt going to cut it)
> opened the passenger door and leaned on it to get in,
> and the dam jeep started sliding down the road, luckily back into the
> ditch, and only 10 feet, thanking god for an inward crown
> i decided to try and drive the ditch,
> so down i went,
> (later by the way i saw i was over sideways enough for my
> power-steering fluid to leak out of my tank,)
> i got pritty far down and hit a culvert, crap, after digging some and
> backing and running hard i bounced up over,
> getting out after ditchin it again, i looked at my front,
> i now was sporting a bent leaf-spring on the drivers side,
> GRRRRRRRERRR
> drove quite a ways down the side close to te ditch,
> and then once again started to slide,
> again ditched it, and into another culvert, this time
> a flat tire, and the high-lift wasnt going to get me out, i was almost
> on my side,
> it was starting to warm up some, and another rig was comming up the
> road, he stopped laughed at me and helped pul me out,
> got around a hair-pin corner that was sporting a pluming van
> off the edge and into the sun, good road, and down we went
> flat and all 5 miles an hour,
> stopped at the bottom and changed the tire,
> slow drive home,
> ,
> temp-cure for my bent spring, 2X6 jamed between bumper and garage
> cieling, bottle-jack (it does have its uses) under bent leaf
> jacked like hell, bent it up past straight, sat and smoked a cig,
> and swore alot,
> releved tension, now almost straight but definatly crap,
> ,
> i was told by a friend that i would have gotten better traction if i
> had aired-down my tires, to 5-10 pounds,
> is this true on packed slick snow on a very steep incline??
> i grew up in maine and was always told thin and narrow was better
> in snow,
> i dont even think chains would have helped me,
> ,
> i got lucky, and i know it, i could ov had a short ride, straight down,
> im done with my mountain driving for this year,
> ,
> johnP-almost in my pants,

scopenutt@yahoo.com

Hey Mike,
the lower elevation was fine, it was the last streach that got me,
and the area i was in was out of the sun, what little there was,
and yes your right, DUMB on my part, it was all good,, till it went
bad,,grin,
and i wont be going up again till spring, gettin too old for the snow,
,
and yup, im half an idiot too, but a lucky half, and i know it,
and i dont like looking darwin in the eyes, hes got a realy big smirk
that bothers me.
,

,
johnp

scopenutt@yahoo.com

Hey Mike,
the lower elevation was fine, it was the last streach that got me,
and the area i was in was out of the sun, what little there was,
and yes your right, DUMB on my part, it was all good,, till it went
bad,,grin,
and i wont be going up again till spring, gettin too old for the snow,
,
and yup, im half an idiot too, but a lucky half, and i know it,
and i dont like looking darwin in the eyes, hes got a realy big smirk
that bothers me.
,

,
johnp

scopenutt@yahoo.com

Hey Mike,
the lower elevation was fine, it was the last streach that got me,
and the area i was in was out of the sun, what little there was,
and yes your right, DUMB on my part, it was all good,, till it went
bad,,grin,
and i wont be going up again till spring, gettin too old for the snow,
,
and yup, im half an idiot too, but a lucky half, and i know it,
and i dont like looking darwin in the eyes, hes got a realy big smirk
that bothers me.
,

,
johnp

FrankW

Are we having fun yet? :-)

scopenutt@yahoo.com wrote:

> well me and the wife decided to go play in the snow so we climed a
> local logging road up a nearby mountain,
> i got 3/4 of the way up doing good no squirelling just a fun drive
> through 3 inches of snow,
> im running all-terrain raidials 30X950,
> then we got to a steep incline and i started spinning,
> and sliding backwards,
> let in the cluthh and weeeeeee
> 2 --360,s and no stopping, so i did what i always do i headed for the
> ditch,,,as there wasnt any ground on the other side of the road, just a
> steep, sheer, downward incline, no gardrails up here,
> once safely in the ditch, i climed up the pasenger seat and got out.
> after the wife, watching her imediatly land on her butt, i was more
> carefull,
> NOT kissed my *** also,
> HMMMM,,,packed, crust, with a nice powder coating, whooo weeeeee,
> and a 1/4 mile downward to a level area,
> ,
> used the high-lift to jack my front and rear over onto the road,
> (i know Bill, but the bottle jack wasnt going to cut it)
> opened the passenger door and leaned on it to get in,
> and the dam jeep started sliding down the road, luckily back into the
> ditch, and only 10 feet, thanking god for an inward crown
> i decided to try and drive the ditch,
> so down i went,
> (later by the way i saw i was over sideways enough for my
> power-steering fluid to leak out of my tank,)
> i got pritty far down and hit a culvert, crap, after digging some and
> backing and running hard i bounced up over,
> getting out after ditchin it again, i looked at my front,
> i now was sporting a bent leaf-spring on the drivers side,
> GRRRRRRRERRR
> drove quite a ways down the side close to te ditch,
> and then once again started to slide,
> again ditched it, and into another culvert, this time
> a flat tire, and the high-lift wasnt going to get me out, i was almost
> on my side,
> it was starting to warm up some, and another rig was comming up the
> road, he stopped laughed at me and helped pul me out,
> got around a hair-pin corner that was sporting a pluming van
> off the edge and into the sun, good road, and down we went
> flat and all 5 miles an hour,
> stopped at the bottom and changed the tire,
> slow drive home,
> ,
> temp-cure for my bent spring, 2X6 jamed between bumper and garage
> cieling, bottle-jack (it does have its uses) under bent leaf
> jacked like hell, bent it up past straight, sat and smoked a cig,
> and swore alot,
> releved tension, now almost straight but definatly crap,
> ,
> i was told by a friend that i would have gotten better traction if i
> had aired-down my tires, to 5-10 pounds,
> is this true on packed slick snow on a very steep incline??
> i grew up in maine and was always told thin and narrow was better
> in snow,
> i dont even think chains would have helped me,
> ,
> i got lucky, and i know it, i could ov had a short ride, straight down,
> im done with my mountain driving for this year,
> ,
> johnP-almost in my pants,
>

FrankW

Are we having fun yet? :-)

scopenutt@yahoo.com wrote:

> well me and the wife decided to go play in the snow so we climed a
> local logging road up a nearby mountain,
> i got 3/4 of the way up doing good no squirelling just a fun drive
> through 3 inches of snow,
> im running all-terrain raidials 30X950,
> then we got to a steep incline and i started spinning,
> and sliding backwards,
> let in the cluthh and weeeeeee
> 2 --360,s and no stopping, so i did what i always do i headed for the
> ditch,,,as there wasnt any ground on the other side of the road, just a
> steep, sheer, downward incline, no gardrails up here,
> once safely in the ditch, i climed up the pasenger seat and got out.
> after the wife, watching her imediatly land on her butt, i was more
> carefull,
> NOT kissed my *** also,
> HMMMM,,,packed, crust, with a nice powder coating, whooo weeeeee,
> and a 1/4 mile downward to a level area,
> ,
> used the high-lift to jack my front and rear over onto the road,
> (i know Bill, but the bottle jack wasnt going to cut it)
> opened the passenger door and leaned on it to get in,
> and the dam jeep started sliding down the road, luckily back into the
> ditch, and only 10 feet, thanking god for an inward crown
> i decided to try and drive the ditch,
> so down i went,
> (later by the way i saw i was over sideways enough for my
> power-steering fluid to leak out of my tank,)
> i got pritty far down and hit a culvert, crap, after digging some and
> backing and running hard i bounced up over,
> getting out after ditchin it again, i looked at my front,
> i now was sporting a bent leaf-spring on the drivers side,
> GRRRRRRRERRR
> drove quite a ways down the side close to te ditch,
> and then once again started to slide,
> again ditched it, and into another culvert, this time
> a flat tire, and the high-lift wasnt going to get me out, i was almost
> on my side,
> it was starting to warm up some, and another rig was comming up the
> road, he stopped laughed at me and helped pul me out,
> got around a hair-pin corner that was sporting a pluming van
> off the edge and into the sun, good road, and down we went
> flat and all 5 miles an hour,
> stopped at the bottom and changed the tire,
> slow drive home,
> ,
> temp-cure for my bent spring, 2X6 jamed between bumper and garage
> cieling, bottle-jack (it does have its uses) under bent leaf
> jacked like hell, bent it up past straight, sat and smoked a cig,
> and swore alot,
> releved tension, now almost straight but definatly crap,
> ,
> i was told by a friend that i would have gotten better traction if i
> had aired-down my tires, to 5-10 pounds,
> is this true on packed slick snow on a very steep incline??
> i grew up in maine and was always told thin and narrow was better
> in snow,
> i dont even think chains would have helped me,
> ,
> i got lucky, and i know it, i could ov had a short ride, straight down,
> im done with my mountain driving for this year,
> ,
> johnP-almost in my pants,
>

FrankW

Are we having fun yet? :-)

scopenutt@yahoo.com wrote:

> well me and the wife decided to go play in the snow so we climed a
> local logging road up a nearby mountain,
> i got 3/4 of the way up doing good no squirelling just a fun drive
> through 3 inches of snow,
> im running all-terrain raidials 30X950,
> then we got to a steep incline and i started spinning,
> and sliding backwards,
> let in the cluthh and weeeeeee
> 2 --360,s and no stopping, so i did what i always do i headed for the
> ditch,,,as there wasnt any ground on the other side of the road, just a
> steep, sheer, downward incline, no gardrails up here,
> once safely in the ditch, i climed up the pasenger seat and got out.
> after the wife, watching her imediatly land on her butt, i was more
> carefull,
> NOT kissed my *** also,
> HMMMM,,,packed, crust, with a nice powder coating, whooo weeeeee,
> and a 1/4 mile downward to a level area,
> ,
> used the high-lift to jack my front and rear over onto the road,
> (i know Bill, but the bottle jack wasnt going to cut it)
> opened the passenger door and leaned on it to get in,
> and the dam jeep started sliding down the road, luckily back into the
> ditch, and only 10 feet, thanking god for an inward crown
> i decided to try and drive the ditch,
> so down i went,
> (later by the way i saw i was over sideways enough for my
> power-steering fluid to leak out of my tank,)
> i got pritty far down and hit a culvert, crap, after digging some and
> backing and running hard i bounced up over,
> getting out after ditchin it again, i looked at my front,
> i now was sporting a bent leaf-spring on the drivers side,
> GRRRRRRRERRR
> drove quite a ways down the side close to te ditch,
> and then once again started to slide,
> again ditched it, and into another culvert, this time
> a flat tire, and the high-lift wasnt going to get me out, i was almost
> on my side,
> it was starting to warm up some, and another rig was comming up the
> road, he stopped laughed at me and helped pul me out,
> got around a hair-pin corner that was sporting a pluming van
> off the edge and into the sun, good road, and down we went
> flat and all 5 miles an hour,
> stopped at the bottom and changed the tire,
> slow drive home,
> ,
> temp-cure for my bent spring, 2X6 jamed between bumper and garage
> cieling, bottle-jack (it does have its uses) under bent leaf
> jacked like hell, bent it up past straight, sat and smoked a cig,
> and swore alot,
> releved tension, now almost straight but definatly crap,
> ,
> i was told by a friend that i would have gotten better traction if i
> had aired-down my tires, to 5-10 pounds,
> is this true on packed slick snow on a very steep incline??
> i grew up in maine and was always told thin and narrow was better
> in snow,
> i dont even think chains would have helped me,
> ,
> i got lucky, and i know it, i could ov had a short ride, straight down,
> im done with my mountain driving for this year,
> ,
> johnP-almost in my pants,
>