L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

They sure look like they have an arc to me:
http://www.jeep22.freeserve.co.uk/YJPbrochP5.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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CRWLR wrote:
>
> That's a YJ, the springs are flat from the factory.

Jeepster

I took the shackles off and put the original shackles back on, the
funny thing is the front end sits 1" higher than it did before.
( I measured 19" to the bottom of the bumper before I started and now
it is 20")

On Tue, 04 May 2004 19:44:08 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:

> Too late, notice how straight the springs are. Compare then to
>stock arc: http://www.angelfire.com/ok/beakl/jeepixpage.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Jeepster wrote:
>>
>> Do these look like they would be beefy enough?
>>
>> http://clubweb.interbaun.com/kb57/

Jeepster

I took the shackles off and put the original shackles back on, the
funny thing is the front end sits 1" higher than it did before.
( I measured 19" to the bottom of the bumper before I started and now
it is 20")

On Tue, 04 May 2004 19:44:08 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:

> Too late, notice how straight the springs are. Compare then to
>stock arc: http://www.angelfire.com/ok/beakl/jeepixpage.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Jeepster wrote:
>>
>> Do these look like they would be beefy enough?
>>
>> http://clubweb.interbaun.com/kb57/

Jeepster

I took the shackles off and put the original shackles back on, the
funny thing is the front end sits 1" higher than it did before.
( I measured 19" to the bottom of the bumper before I started and now
it is 20")

On Tue, 04 May 2004 19:44:08 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:

> Too late, notice how straight the springs are. Compare then to
>stock arc: http://www.angelfire.com/ok/beakl/jeepixpage.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Jeepster wrote:
>>
>> Do these look like they would be beefy enough?
>>
>> http://clubweb.interbaun.com/kb57/

Jeepster

I took the shackles off and put the original shackles back on, the
funny thing is the front end sits 1" higher than it did before.
( I measured 19" to the bottom of the bumper before I started and now
it is 20")

On Tue, 04 May 2004 19:44:08 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:

> Too late, notice how straight the springs are. Compare then to
>stock arc: http://www.angelfire.com/ok/beakl/jeepixpage.html
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Jeepster wrote:
>>
>> Do these look like they would be beefy enough?
>>
>> http://clubweb.interbaun.com/kb57/

Jeepster

Mine are new from a spring shop and have a noticeable arc but no where
near what my 72 CJ had with new springs.

On Wed, 05 May 2004 16:00:41 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:

> They sure look like they have an arc to me:
>http://www.jeep22.freeserve.co.uk/YJPbrochP5.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>CRWLR wrote:
>>
>> That's a YJ, the springs are flat from the factory.

Jeepster

Mine are new from a spring shop and have a noticeable arc but no where
near what my 72 CJ had with new springs.

On Wed, 05 May 2004 16:00:41 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:

> They sure look like they have an arc to me:
>http://www.jeep22.freeserve.co.uk/YJPbrochP5.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>CRWLR wrote:
>>
>> That's a YJ, the springs are flat from the factory.

Jeepster

Mine are new from a spring shop and have a noticeable arc but no where
near what my 72 CJ had with new springs.

On Wed, 05 May 2004 16:00:41 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:

> They sure look like they have an arc to me:
>http://www.jeep22.freeserve.co.uk/YJPbrochP5.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>CRWLR wrote:
>>
>> That's a YJ, the springs are flat from the factory.

Jeepster

Mine are new from a spring shop and have a noticeable arc but no where
near what my 72 CJ had with new springs.

On Wed, 05 May 2004 16:00:41 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:

> They sure look like they have an arc to me:
>http://www.jeep22.freeserve.co.uk/YJPbrochP5.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>CRWLR wrote:
>>
>> That's a YJ, the springs are flat from the factory.

Roy J

But you just defined FORCE, not TORQUE. There is a difference you
know. I presume you know.

The only way you can get TORQUE on a shackle is to have
completely frozen shackle bolts in the bushings.

I'd also suggest that YOUR force model is completely backward.
The LONGER the shackle the LESS forward force is exerted on the
spring. Standard resolution of forces diagram.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> You really can't see the leverage exerted on the length of spring
> by a longer shackle? You will need to plug in the value at:
> http://www.trebuchet.com/hardware/load.html We know that for the shackle
> for the sake of argument the weight each shackle supports is about one
> eighth of the Jeep, and that the stock shackle is nearly straight down,
> in the short stock position, like a stilt, where nearly no energy is
> trying to straighten the spring out, but you put the longer shackle on
> it, it then tilts forward, that distance is the figure you may plug into
> your model, a force that wasn't there before, you may take a breaker bar
> and try to force it back underneath, but you'll soon learn that new
> force is now too great. I suggest taking one of your classes.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>>Sure do, I teach this stuff at the undergrad level. That's why I
>>asked.