Shackles
#101
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Re: Shackles
Thanks...I should have thought of that myself.
On Wed, 05 May 2004 19:28:05 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Loosen your shackles, you have locked the rubber inserts while your
>frame was jack up. They will tear if you don't. Think about some air
>shocks if you don't want to arc the springs more than stock:
>http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/...&storeId=10101
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Jeepster wrote:
>>
>> I took the shackles off and put the original shackles back on, the
>> funny thing is the front end sits 1" higher than it did before.
>> ( I measured 19" to the bottom of the bumper before I started and now
>> it is 20")
On Wed, 05 May 2004 19:28:05 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Loosen your shackles, you have locked the rubber inserts while your
>frame was jack up. They will tear if you don't. Think about some air
>shocks if you don't want to arc the springs more than stock:
>http://www.jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/...&storeId=10101
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>Jeepster wrote:
>>
>> I took the shackles off and put the original shackles back on, the
>> funny thing is the front end sits 1" higher than it did before.
>> ( I measured 19" to the bottom of the bumper before I started and now
>> it is 20")
#102
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Posts: n/a
Re: Shackles
It would be so easy to make an experiment to show you with
pictures, like place the one single leaf spring with the eyes on the
floor and stand on the eyes and say that spring supports me four inches
off the floor at both ends then bolt a lever hinge to each end hinged
again in the middle then stand on it as if it were a frame and one
exaggerated (longer) shackle then you would see my same weight would
smash the spring to the floor. Very easy buy you're not worth going out
the the garage. Maybe, take a course mechanical drafting may enlighten
you with the relationship objects have with each other.
Main Entry: 2torque
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin torquEre to twist
1 : a force that produces or tends to produce
rotation or
torsion <an automobile engine delivers torque to
the drive
shaft>; also : a measure of the effectiveness of
such a force
that consists of the product of the force and the
perpendicular
distance from the line of action of the force to
the axis of
rotation
2 : a turning or twisting force
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Roy J wrote:
>
> But you just defined FORCE, not TORQUE. There is a difference you
> know. I presume you know.
>
> The only way you can get TORQUE on a shackle is to have
> completely frozen shackle bolts in the bushings.
>
> I'd also suggest that YOUR force model is completely backward.
> The LONGER the shackle the LESS forward force is exerted on the
> spring. Standard resolution of forces diagram.
pictures, like place the one single leaf spring with the eyes on the
floor and stand on the eyes and say that spring supports me four inches
off the floor at both ends then bolt a lever hinge to each end hinged
again in the middle then stand on it as if it were a frame and one
exaggerated (longer) shackle then you would see my same weight would
smash the spring to the floor. Very easy buy you're not worth going out
the the garage. Maybe, take a course mechanical drafting may enlighten
you with the relationship objects have with each other.
Main Entry: 2torque
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin torquEre to twist
1 : a force that produces or tends to produce
rotation or
torsion <an automobile engine delivers torque to
the drive
shaft>; also : a measure of the effectiveness of
such a force
that consists of the product of the force and the
perpendicular
distance from the line of action of the force to
the axis of
rotation
2 : a turning or twisting force
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Roy J wrote:
>
> But you just defined FORCE, not TORQUE. There is a difference you
> know. I presume you know.
>
> The only way you can get TORQUE on a shackle is to have
> completely frozen shackle bolts in the bushings.
>
> I'd also suggest that YOUR force model is completely backward.
> The LONGER the shackle the LESS forward force is exerted on the
> spring. Standard resolution of forces diagram.
#103
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Shackles
It would be so easy to make an experiment to show you with
pictures, like place the one single leaf spring with the eyes on the
floor and stand on the eyes and say that spring supports me four inches
off the floor at both ends then bolt a lever hinge to each end hinged
again in the middle then stand on it as if it were a frame and one
exaggerated (longer) shackle then you would see my same weight would
smash the spring to the floor. Very easy buy you're not worth going out
the the garage. Maybe, take a course mechanical drafting may enlighten
you with the relationship objects have with each other.
Main Entry: 2torque
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin torquEre to twist
1 : a force that produces or tends to produce
rotation or
torsion <an automobile engine delivers torque to
the drive
shaft>; also : a measure of the effectiveness of
such a force
that consists of the product of the force and the
perpendicular
distance from the line of action of the force to
the axis of
rotation
2 : a turning or twisting force
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Roy J wrote:
>
> But you just defined FORCE, not TORQUE. There is a difference you
> know. I presume you know.
>
> The only way you can get TORQUE on a shackle is to have
> completely frozen shackle bolts in the bushings.
>
> I'd also suggest that YOUR force model is completely backward.
> The LONGER the shackle the LESS forward force is exerted on the
> spring. Standard resolution of forces diagram.
pictures, like place the one single leaf spring with the eyes on the
floor and stand on the eyes and say that spring supports me four inches
off the floor at both ends then bolt a lever hinge to each end hinged
again in the middle then stand on it as if it were a frame and one
exaggerated (longer) shackle then you would see my same weight would
smash the spring to the floor. Very easy buy you're not worth going out
the the garage. Maybe, take a course mechanical drafting may enlighten
you with the relationship objects have with each other.
Main Entry: 2torque
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin torquEre to twist
1 : a force that produces or tends to produce
rotation or
torsion <an automobile engine delivers torque to
the drive
shaft>; also : a measure of the effectiveness of
such a force
that consists of the product of the force and the
perpendicular
distance from the line of action of the force to
the axis of
rotation
2 : a turning or twisting force
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Roy J wrote:
>
> But you just defined FORCE, not TORQUE. There is a difference you
> know. I presume you know.
>
> The only way you can get TORQUE on a shackle is to have
> completely frozen shackle bolts in the bushings.
>
> I'd also suggest that YOUR force model is completely backward.
> The LONGER the shackle the LESS forward force is exerted on the
> spring. Standard resolution of forces diagram.
#104
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Shackles
It would be so easy to make an experiment to show you with
pictures, like place the one single leaf spring with the eyes on the
floor and stand on the eyes and say that spring supports me four inches
off the floor at both ends then bolt a lever hinge to each end hinged
again in the middle then stand on it as if it were a frame and one
exaggerated (longer) shackle then you would see my same weight would
smash the spring to the floor. Very easy buy you're not worth going out
the the garage. Maybe, take a course mechanical drafting may enlighten
you with the relationship objects have with each other.
Main Entry: 2torque
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin torquEre to twist
1 : a force that produces or tends to produce
rotation or
torsion <an automobile engine delivers torque to
the drive
shaft>; also : a measure of the effectiveness of
such a force
that consists of the product of the force and the
perpendicular
distance from the line of action of the force to
the axis of
rotation
2 : a turning or twisting force
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Roy J wrote:
>
> But you just defined FORCE, not TORQUE. There is a difference you
> know. I presume you know.
>
> The only way you can get TORQUE on a shackle is to have
> completely frozen shackle bolts in the bushings.
>
> I'd also suggest that YOUR force model is completely backward.
> The LONGER the shackle the LESS forward force is exerted on the
> spring. Standard resolution of forces diagram.
pictures, like place the one single leaf spring with the eyes on the
floor and stand on the eyes and say that spring supports me four inches
off the floor at both ends then bolt a lever hinge to each end hinged
again in the middle then stand on it as if it were a frame and one
exaggerated (longer) shackle then you would see my same weight would
smash the spring to the floor. Very easy buy you're not worth going out
the the garage. Maybe, take a course mechanical drafting may enlighten
you with the relationship objects have with each other.
Main Entry: 2torque
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin torquEre to twist
1 : a force that produces or tends to produce
rotation or
torsion <an automobile engine delivers torque to
the drive
shaft>; also : a measure of the effectiveness of
such a force
that consists of the product of the force and the
perpendicular
distance from the line of action of the force to
the axis of
rotation
2 : a turning or twisting force
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Roy J wrote:
>
> But you just defined FORCE, not TORQUE. There is a difference you
> know. I presume you know.
>
> The only way you can get TORQUE on a shackle is to have
> completely frozen shackle bolts in the bushings.
>
> I'd also suggest that YOUR force model is completely backward.
> The LONGER the shackle the LESS forward force is exerted on the
> spring. Standard resolution of forces diagram.
#105
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Shackles
It would be so easy to make an experiment to show you with
pictures, like place the one single leaf spring with the eyes on the
floor and stand on the eyes and say that spring supports me four inches
off the floor at both ends then bolt a lever hinge to each end hinged
again in the middle then stand on it as if it were a frame and one
exaggerated (longer) shackle then you would see my same weight would
smash the spring to the floor. Very easy buy you're not worth going out
the the garage. Maybe, take a course mechanical drafting may enlighten
you with the relationship objects have with each other.
Main Entry: 2torque
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin torquEre to twist
1 : a force that produces or tends to produce
rotation or
torsion <an automobile engine delivers torque to
the drive
shaft>; also : a measure of the effectiveness of
such a force
that consists of the product of the force and the
perpendicular
distance from the line of action of the force to
the axis of
rotation
2 : a turning or twisting force
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Roy J wrote:
>
> But you just defined FORCE, not TORQUE. There is a difference you
> know. I presume you know.
>
> The only way you can get TORQUE on a shackle is to have
> completely frozen shackle bolts in the bushings.
>
> I'd also suggest that YOUR force model is completely backward.
> The LONGER the shackle the LESS forward force is exerted on the
> spring. Standard resolution of forces diagram.
pictures, like place the one single leaf spring with the eyes on the
floor and stand on the eyes and say that spring supports me four inches
off the floor at both ends then bolt a lever hinge to each end hinged
again in the middle then stand on it as if it were a frame and one
exaggerated (longer) shackle then you would see my same weight would
smash the spring to the floor. Very easy buy you're not worth going out
the the garage. Maybe, take a course mechanical drafting may enlighten
you with the relationship objects have with each other.
Main Entry: 2torque
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin torquEre to twist
1 : a force that produces or tends to produce
rotation or
torsion <an automobile engine delivers torque to
the drive
shaft>; also : a measure of the effectiveness of
such a force
that consists of the product of the force and the
perpendicular
distance from the line of action of the force to
the axis of
rotation
2 : a turning or twisting force
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Roy J wrote:
>
> But you just defined FORCE, not TORQUE. There is a difference you
> know. I presume you know.
>
> The only way you can get TORQUE on a shackle is to have
> completely frozen shackle bolts in the bushings.
>
> I'd also suggest that YOUR force model is completely backward.
> The LONGER the shackle the LESS forward force is exerted on the
> spring. Standard resolution of forces diagram.
#106
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Re: Shackles
I use the same 1" longer Confer shackles with the RE extreme duty 4"
springs. No problems. Using longer than stock shackles with factory
springs I wouldn't recommend.
I do believe Confer also makes a heavy duty stock length replacement shackle
too. This might be an option for him.
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:109gi3983fs6f6a@corp.supernews.com...
> I am a firm believer that you want to keep your shackles as close as
> possible to stock length. Now for the caveats.
>
> The problems caused by too much Length can overcome with beefier parts. My
> shackles are the ConFer heavy duty shackles. They are longer than stock,
but
> more than make up for the length by being much stronger. They are about 1
> inch longer overall than stock, but the material is much heavier. Having
> said that, you can buy them stronger, but way too long for the strength to
> accomodate, and then you are going to have problems again. I would think
> that if you stayed at an inch or two overall longer than stock, and went
> with a product like the ConFer, you would be OK.
>
>
>
>
> "Jeepster" <yj_driver@NOSPAM___.com> wrote in message
> news:0m9g90dmmiqq898k6b3grbr0tg2s2riro5@4ax.com...
> > I was looking to beef up my shackles from the stock crap that my YJ
> > has. I have a question ........
> >
> > Would going with a shackle that was 1" or 2" inches taller cause any
> > problems?
> >
> > I have new springs on this Jeep so the springs have a lot of life left
> > in them.
>
>
springs. No problems. Using longer than stock shackles with factory
springs I wouldn't recommend.
I do believe Confer also makes a heavy duty stock length replacement shackle
too. This might be an option for him.
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:109gi3983fs6f6a@corp.supernews.com...
> I am a firm believer that you want to keep your shackles as close as
> possible to stock length. Now for the caveats.
>
> The problems caused by too much Length can overcome with beefier parts. My
> shackles are the ConFer heavy duty shackles. They are longer than stock,
but
> more than make up for the length by being much stronger. They are about 1
> inch longer overall than stock, but the material is much heavier. Having
> said that, you can buy them stronger, but way too long for the strength to
> accomodate, and then you are going to have problems again. I would think
> that if you stayed at an inch or two overall longer than stock, and went
> with a product like the ConFer, you would be OK.
>
>
>
>
> "Jeepster" <yj_driver@NOSPAM___.com> wrote in message
> news:0m9g90dmmiqq898k6b3grbr0tg2s2riro5@4ax.com...
> > I was looking to beef up my shackles from the stock crap that my YJ
> > has. I have a question ........
> >
> > Would going with a shackle that was 1" or 2" inches taller cause any
> > problems?
> >
> > I have new springs on this Jeep so the springs have a lot of life left
> > in them.
>
>
#107
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Shackles
I use the same 1" longer Confer shackles with the RE extreme duty 4"
springs. No problems. Using longer than stock shackles with factory
springs I wouldn't recommend.
I do believe Confer also makes a heavy duty stock length replacement shackle
too. This might be an option for him.
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:109gi3983fs6f6a@corp.supernews.com...
> I am a firm believer that you want to keep your shackles as close as
> possible to stock length. Now for the caveats.
>
> The problems caused by too much Length can overcome with beefier parts. My
> shackles are the ConFer heavy duty shackles. They are longer than stock,
but
> more than make up for the length by being much stronger. They are about 1
> inch longer overall than stock, but the material is much heavier. Having
> said that, you can buy them stronger, but way too long for the strength to
> accomodate, and then you are going to have problems again. I would think
> that if you stayed at an inch or two overall longer than stock, and went
> with a product like the ConFer, you would be OK.
>
>
>
>
> "Jeepster" <yj_driver@NOSPAM___.com> wrote in message
> news:0m9g90dmmiqq898k6b3grbr0tg2s2riro5@4ax.com...
> > I was looking to beef up my shackles from the stock crap that my YJ
> > has. I have a question ........
> >
> > Would going with a shackle that was 1" or 2" inches taller cause any
> > problems?
> >
> > I have new springs on this Jeep so the springs have a lot of life left
> > in them.
>
>
springs. No problems. Using longer than stock shackles with factory
springs I wouldn't recommend.
I do believe Confer also makes a heavy duty stock length replacement shackle
too. This might be an option for him.
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:109gi3983fs6f6a@corp.supernews.com...
> I am a firm believer that you want to keep your shackles as close as
> possible to stock length. Now for the caveats.
>
> The problems caused by too much Length can overcome with beefier parts. My
> shackles are the ConFer heavy duty shackles. They are longer than stock,
but
> more than make up for the length by being much stronger. They are about 1
> inch longer overall than stock, but the material is much heavier. Having
> said that, you can buy them stronger, but way too long for the strength to
> accomodate, and then you are going to have problems again. I would think
> that if you stayed at an inch or two overall longer than stock, and went
> with a product like the ConFer, you would be OK.
>
>
>
>
> "Jeepster" <yj_driver@NOSPAM___.com> wrote in message
> news:0m9g90dmmiqq898k6b3grbr0tg2s2riro5@4ax.com...
> > I was looking to beef up my shackles from the stock crap that my YJ
> > has. I have a question ........
> >
> > Would going with a shackle that was 1" or 2" inches taller cause any
> > problems?
> >
> > I have new springs on this Jeep so the springs have a lot of life left
> > in them.
>
>
#108
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Shackles
I use the same 1" longer Confer shackles with the RE extreme duty 4"
springs. No problems. Using longer than stock shackles with factory
springs I wouldn't recommend.
I do believe Confer also makes a heavy duty stock length replacement shackle
too. This might be an option for him.
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:109gi3983fs6f6a@corp.supernews.com...
> I am a firm believer that you want to keep your shackles as close as
> possible to stock length. Now for the caveats.
>
> The problems caused by too much Length can overcome with beefier parts. My
> shackles are the ConFer heavy duty shackles. They are longer than stock,
but
> more than make up for the length by being much stronger. They are about 1
> inch longer overall than stock, but the material is much heavier. Having
> said that, you can buy them stronger, but way too long for the strength to
> accomodate, and then you are going to have problems again. I would think
> that if you stayed at an inch or two overall longer than stock, and went
> with a product like the ConFer, you would be OK.
>
>
>
>
> "Jeepster" <yj_driver@NOSPAM___.com> wrote in message
> news:0m9g90dmmiqq898k6b3grbr0tg2s2riro5@4ax.com...
> > I was looking to beef up my shackles from the stock crap that my YJ
> > has. I have a question ........
> >
> > Would going with a shackle that was 1" or 2" inches taller cause any
> > problems?
> >
> > I have new springs on this Jeep so the springs have a lot of life left
> > in them.
>
>
springs. No problems. Using longer than stock shackles with factory
springs I wouldn't recommend.
I do believe Confer also makes a heavy duty stock length replacement shackle
too. This might be an option for him.
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:109gi3983fs6f6a@corp.supernews.com...
> I am a firm believer that you want to keep your shackles as close as
> possible to stock length. Now for the caveats.
>
> The problems caused by too much Length can overcome with beefier parts. My
> shackles are the ConFer heavy duty shackles. They are longer than stock,
but
> more than make up for the length by being much stronger. They are about 1
> inch longer overall than stock, but the material is much heavier. Having
> said that, you can buy them stronger, but way too long for the strength to
> accomodate, and then you are going to have problems again. I would think
> that if you stayed at an inch or two overall longer than stock, and went
> with a product like the ConFer, you would be OK.
>
>
>
>
> "Jeepster" <yj_driver@NOSPAM___.com> wrote in message
> news:0m9g90dmmiqq898k6b3grbr0tg2s2riro5@4ax.com...
> > I was looking to beef up my shackles from the stock crap that my YJ
> > has. I have a question ........
> >
> > Would going with a shackle that was 1" or 2" inches taller cause any
> > problems?
> >
> > I have new springs on this Jeep so the springs have a lot of life left
> > in them.
>
>
#109
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Shackles
I use the same 1" longer Confer shackles with the RE extreme duty 4"
springs. No problems. Using longer than stock shackles with factory
springs I wouldn't recommend.
I do believe Confer also makes a heavy duty stock length replacement shackle
too. This might be an option for him.
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:109gi3983fs6f6a@corp.supernews.com...
> I am a firm believer that you want to keep your shackles as close as
> possible to stock length. Now for the caveats.
>
> The problems caused by too much Length can overcome with beefier parts. My
> shackles are the ConFer heavy duty shackles. They are longer than stock,
but
> more than make up for the length by being much stronger. They are about 1
> inch longer overall than stock, but the material is much heavier. Having
> said that, you can buy them stronger, but way too long for the strength to
> accomodate, and then you are going to have problems again. I would think
> that if you stayed at an inch or two overall longer than stock, and went
> with a product like the ConFer, you would be OK.
>
>
>
>
> "Jeepster" <yj_driver@NOSPAM___.com> wrote in message
> news:0m9g90dmmiqq898k6b3grbr0tg2s2riro5@4ax.com...
> > I was looking to beef up my shackles from the stock crap that my YJ
> > has. I have a question ........
> >
> > Would going with a shackle that was 1" or 2" inches taller cause any
> > problems?
> >
> > I have new springs on this Jeep so the springs have a lot of life left
> > in them.
>
>
springs. No problems. Using longer than stock shackles with factory
springs I wouldn't recommend.
I do believe Confer also makes a heavy duty stock length replacement shackle
too. This might be an option for him.
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:109gi3983fs6f6a@corp.supernews.com...
> I am a firm believer that you want to keep your shackles as close as
> possible to stock length. Now for the caveats.
>
> The problems caused by too much Length can overcome with beefier parts. My
> shackles are the ConFer heavy duty shackles. They are longer than stock,
but
> more than make up for the length by being much stronger. They are about 1
> inch longer overall than stock, but the material is much heavier. Having
> said that, you can buy them stronger, but way too long for the strength to
> accomodate, and then you are going to have problems again. I would think
> that if you stayed at an inch or two overall longer than stock, and went
> with a product like the ConFer, you would be OK.
>
>
>
>
> "Jeepster" <yj_driver@NOSPAM___.com> wrote in message
> news:0m9g90dmmiqq898k6b3grbr0tg2s2riro5@4ax.com...
> > I was looking to beef up my shackles from the stock crap that my YJ
> > has. I have a question ........
> >
> > Would going with a shackle that was 1" or 2" inches taller cause any
> > problems?
> >
> > I have new springs on this Jeep so the springs have a lot of life left
> > in them.
>
>
#110
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Shackles
I've ruined so many "A" frame bushings, but what the hey just means
I got the job again in a couple of years.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Jeepster wrote:
>
> Thanks...I should have thought of that myself.
I got the job again in a couple of years.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeepster wrote:
>
> Thanks...I should have thought of that myself.