Re: Tire Rotation
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Re: Tire Rotation
In message <431EE88F.BDC345EB@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
>tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
>manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
>proper 'wear'.
>
>I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
>the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
>rather than the maker of the vehicle.
And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
you know that still buy tires?
A real rocket scientist you are!
>
>Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
>lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
>wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
>of rotating???
>Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
>Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
>dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
>'usually' means belt separation eh.
>
>LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
properly rotating them.
>
>Mike
>
>bllsht wrote:
>>
>> If your attention span was longer than 2 seconds, you'd understand that if tire
>> manufacturers wanted your tires to wear out quickly, they wouldn't recommend
>> rotating them at all. But they do.
>>
>> You are the one who said not to cross them because they will separate. Do you
>> really think they'd recommend crossing them if it posed a risk of serious tire
>> failure? Did you sleep through the Ford/Firestone debacle?
>>
>> Get real.
>>
>> In message <431DA68B.C025FBED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>>
>> >Umm, correct me if I am wrong here, but aren't all these folks in the
>> >business of 'selling' you new tires?
>> >
>> >Pretty hard on their bottom line if your tires don't wear out isn't
>> >it.....
>> >
>> >LOL!
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> >bllsht wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Goodyear and Bridgestone/Firestone as well.
>> >>
>> >> In message <fcJPe.5162$ct5.1103@fed1read04>, "Jerry Bransford" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >The first two brands I checked, BFG and Michelin, still recommends
>> >> >cross-rotating their tires. They even give a cool little animation of
>> >> >how to rotate tires at http://www.michelinman.com/care/tip2.html with
>> >> >BFG having a similar animation.
>> >> >
>> >> >Jerry
>> >> >
>> >> >J Strickland wrote:
>> >> >> Most of them do not recommend that anymore. And none of them suggest that
>> >> >> not crossing them is a bad thing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There is nothing wrong with crossing them unless there is a specific reason
>> >> >> not to, ie.: directional tires. But when there is any doubt, there is
>> >> >> nothing wrong with keeping the left tires on the left side and the right
>> >> >> tires on the right side. Many automakers these days suggest that rotating
>> >> >> tires is not necessary at all. If one has to ask, what is the correct way to
>> >> >> rotate tires, this person can be told to keep them on the same side and
>> >> >> he'll get through his life just fine.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:vubtg1thi5ma6cbqlpq0n5l220kfipv041@4ax.com...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>Tire manufacturers recommend crossing them.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>In message <G_CdnXNmV8M0bZDeRVn-2g@ez2.net>, "J Strickland" wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>Do not cross the tires. Keep the left tires on the left side and the right
>> >> >>>>tires on the right side.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>news:68c0$430d3086$42a1cc8c$30871@FUSE.NET.. .
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>To clarify my original question I would be doing a 4 wheel rotation.
>> >> >>>>>The
>> >> >>>>>spare is a Wrangler ST and I would rather not have mismatched quality
>> >> >>>>>tires.
>> >> >>>>>http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>--
>> >> >>>>>.
>> >> >>>>>Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> >>>>>2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> >>>>>Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
>> >> >>>>>Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> >> >>>>>.
>> >> >>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>>news:430D0BE5.FA42DC43@***.net...
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> That's a new one for me: http://www.fostertire.com/tcm_rttn.htm
>> >> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> >> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>Nathan Otis wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>I've always just rotated clockwise. I've been rotating my MTRs
>> >> >>>>>>>clockwise
>> >> >>>>>>>since the day I got 'em and I've got over 35K on 'em... No sign of
>> >> >>>>>>>seperation.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>YMMV (HAHA!!! That's a joke)
>> >> >>>>>>>n.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
>tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
>manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
>proper 'wear'.
>
>I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
>the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
>rather than the maker of the vehicle.
And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
you know that still buy tires?
A real rocket scientist you are!
>
>Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
>lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
>wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
>of rotating???
>Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
>Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
>dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
>'usually' means belt separation eh.
>
>LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
properly rotating them.
>
>Mike
>
>bllsht wrote:
>>
>> If your attention span was longer than 2 seconds, you'd understand that if tire
>> manufacturers wanted your tires to wear out quickly, they wouldn't recommend
>> rotating them at all. But they do.
>>
>> You are the one who said not to cross them because they will separate. Do you
>> really think they'd recommend crossing them if it posed a risk of serious tire
>> failure? Did you sleep through the Ford/Firestone debacle?
>>
>> Get real.
>>
>> In message <431DA68B.C025FBED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>>
>> >Umm, correct me if I am wrong here, but aren't all these folks in the
>> >business of 'selling' you new tires?
>> >
>> >Pretty hard on their bottom line if your tires don't wear out isn't
>> >it.....
>> >
>> >LOL!
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> >bllsht wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Goodyear and Bridgestone/Firestone as well.
>> >>
>> >> In message <fcJPe.5162$ct5.1103@fed1read04>, "Jerry Bransford" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >The first two brands I checked, BFG and Michelin, still recommends
>> >> >cross-rotating their tires. They even give a cool little animation of
>> >> >how to rotate tires at http://www.michelinman.com/care/tip2.html with
>> >> >BFG having a similar animation.
>> >> >
>> >> >Jerry
>> >> >
>> >> >J Strickland wrote:
>> >> >> Most of them do not recommend that anymore. And none of them suggest that
>> >> >> not crossing them is a bad thing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There is nothing wrong with crossing them unless there is a specific reason
>> >> >> not to, ie.: directional tires. But when there is any doubt, there is
>> >> >> nothing wrong with keeping the left tires on the left side and the right
>> >> >> tires on the right side. Many automakers these days suggest that rotating
>> >> >> tires is not necessary at all. If one has to ask, what is the correct way to
>> >> >> rotate tires, this person can be told to keep them on the same side and
>> >> >> he'll get through his life just fine.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:vubtg1thi5ma6cbqlpq0n5l220kfipv041@4ax.com...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>Tire manufacturers recommend crossing them.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>In message <G_CdnXNmV8M0bZDeRVn-2g@ez2.net>, "J Strickland" wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>Do not cross the tires. Keep the left tires on the left side and the right
>> >> >>>>tires on the right side.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>news:68c0$430d3086$42a1cc8c$30871@FUSE.NET.. .
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>To clarify my original question I would be doing a 4 wheel rotation.
>> >> >>>>>The
>> >> >>>>>spare is a Wrangler ST and I would rather not have mismatched quality
>> >> >>>>>tires.
>> >> >>>>>http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>--
>> >> >>>>>.
>> >> >>>>>Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> >>>>>2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> >>>>>Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
>> >> >>>>>Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> >> >>>>>.
>> >> >>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>>news:430D0BE5.FA42DC43@***.net...
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> That's a new one for me: http://www.fostertire.com/tcm_rttn.htm
>> >> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> >> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>Nathan Otis wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>I've always just rotated clockwise. I've been rotating my MTRs
>> >> >>>>>>>clockwise
>> >> >>>>>>>since the day I got 'em and I've got over 35K on 'em... No sign of
>> >> >>>>>>>seperation.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>YMMV (HAHA!!! That's a joke)
>> >> >>>>>>>n.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
#142
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Re: Tire Rotation
What do you drive?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
bllsht wrote:
>
> And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
> manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
> would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
> you know that still buy tires?
>
> A real rocket scientist you are!
>
> Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
> tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
> properly rotating them.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
bllsht wrote:
>
> And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
> manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
> would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
> you know that still buy tires?
>
> A real rocket scientist you are!
>
> Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
> tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
> properly rotating them.
#143
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Re: Tire Rotation
What do you drive?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
bllsht wrote:
>
> And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
> manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
> would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
> you know that still buy tires?
>
> A real rocket scientist you are!
>
> Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
> tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
> properly rotating them.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
bllsht wrote:
>
> And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
> manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
> would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
> you know that still buy tires?
>
> A real rocket scientist you are!
>
> Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
> tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
> properly rotating them.
#144
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Re: Tire Rotation
What do you drive?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
bllsht wrote:
>
> And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
> manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
> would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
> you know that still buy tires?
>
> A real rocket scientist you are!
>
> Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
> tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
> properly rotating them.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
bllsht wrote:
>
> And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
> manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
> would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
> you know that still buy tires?
>
> A real rocket scientist you are!
>
> Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
> tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
> properly rotating them.
#145
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Re: Tire Rotation
What do you drive?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
bllsht wrote:
>
> And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
> manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
> would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
> you know that still buy tires?
>
> A real rocket scientist you are!
>
> Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
> tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
> properly rotating them.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
bllsht wrote:
>
> And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
> manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
> would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
> you know that still buy tires?
>
> A real rocket scientist you are!
>
> Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
> tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
> properly rotating them.
#146
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Re: Tire Rotation
In message <n_mdnTcVwJaE5YLeRVn-ug@comcast.com>, "Matt Macchiarolo" wrote:
>Not checking air pressures regularly, I'm sure, had nothing to do with the
>Explorer failures. I'm certain all those failures resulted in people going
>to the trouble of rotating but these same people just never checked the
>pressure since it was so difficult to do.
>
>Riiiiiiiiight.
That lack of maintenance on top of Ford's already low recommended tire pressure
wasn't a good combo.
>
>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>news:431F55A1.BB427F0B@***.net...
>> Hi Mike,
>> I have no doubt every one of Firestone's failures that cause an
>> Explorer to kill someone was initially cause by reversing the tire's
>> rotate. All I'm doing is giving this group my experiences, they may
>> follow whatever their conscious allows.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
>>> tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
>>> manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
>>> proper 'wear'.
>>>
>>> I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
>>> the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
>>> rather than the maker of the vehicle.
>>>
>>> Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
>>> lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
>>> wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
>>> of rotating???
>>> Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
>>> Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
>>> dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
>>> 'usually' means belt separation eh.
>>>
>>> LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
>>>
>>> Mike
>
>Not checking air pressures regularly, I'm sure, had nothing to do with the
>Explorer failures. I'm certain all those failures resulted in people going
>to the trouble of rotating but these same people just never checked the
>pressure since it was so difficult to do.
>
>Riiiiiiiiight.
That lack of maintenance on top of Ford's already low recommended tire pressure
wasn't a good combo.
>
>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>news:431F55A1.BB427F0B@***.net...
>> Hi Mike,
>> I have no doubt every one of Firestone's failures that cause an
>> Explorer to kill someone was initially cause by reversing the tire's
>> rotate. All I'm doing is giving this group my experiences, they may
>> follow whatever their conscious allows.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
>>> tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
>>> manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
>>> proper 'wear'.
>>>
>>> I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
>>> the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
>>> rather than the maker of the vehicle.
>>>
>>> Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
>>> lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
>>> wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
>>> of rotating???
>>> Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
>>> Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
>>> dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
>>> 'usually' means belt separation eh.
>>>
>>> LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
>>>
>>> Mike
>
#147
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Re: Tire Rotation
In message <n_mdnTcVwJaE5YLeRVn-ug@comcast.com>, "Matt Macchiarolo" wrote:
>Not checking air pressures regularly, I'm sure, had nothing to do with the
>Explorer failures. I'm certain all those failures resulted in people going
>to the trouble of rotating but these same people just never checked the
>pressure since it was so difficult to do.
>
>Riiiiiiiiight.
That lack of maintenance on top of Ford's already low recommended tire pressure
wasn't a good combo.
>
>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>news:431F55A1.BB427F0B@***.net...
>> Hi Mike,
>> I have no doubt every one of Firestone's failures that cause an
>> Explorer to kill someone was initially cause by reversing the tire's
>> rotate. All I'm doing is giving this group my experiences, they may
>> follow whatever their conscious allows.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
>>> tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
>>> manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
>>> proper 'wear'.
>>>
>>> I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
>>> the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
>>> rather than the maker of the vehicle.
>>>
>>> Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
>>> lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
>>> wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
>>> of rotating???
>>> Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
>>> Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
>>> dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
>>> 'usually' means belt separation eh.
>>>
>>> LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
>>>
>>> Mike
>
>Not checking air pressures regularly, I'm sure, had nothing to do with the
>Explorer failures. I'm certain all those failures resulted in people going
>to the trouble of rotating but these same people just never checked the
>pressure since it was so difficult to do.
>
>Riiiiiiiiight.
That lack of maintenance on top of Ford's already low recommended tire pressure
wasn't a good combo.
>
>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>news:431F55A1.BB427F0B@***.net...
>> Hi Mike,
>> I have no doubt every one of Firestone's failures that cause an
>> Explorer to kill someone was initially cause by reversing the tire's
>> rotate. All I'm doing is giving this group my experiences, they may
>> follow whatever their conscious allows.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
>>> tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
>>> manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
>>> proper 'wear'.
>>>
>>> I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
>>> the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
>>> rather than the maker of the vehicle.
>>>
>>> Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
>>> lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
>>> wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
>>> of rotating???
>>> Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
>>> Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
>>> dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
>>> 'usually' means belt separation eh.
>>>
>>> LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
>>>
>>> Mike
>
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Re: Tire Rotation
In message <n_mdnTcVwJaE5YLeRVn-ug@comcast.com>, "Matt Macchiarolo" wrote:
>Not checking air pressures regularly, I'm sure, had nothing to do with the
>Explorer failures. I'm certain all those failures resulted in people going
>to the trouble of rotating but these same people just never checked the
>pressure since it was so difficult to do.
>
>Riiiiiiiiight.
That lack of maintenance on top of Ford's already low recommended tire pressure
wasn't a good combo.
>
>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>news:431F55A1.BB427F0B@***.net...
>> Hi Mike,
>> I have no doubt every one of Firestone's failures that cause an
>> Explorer to kill someone was initially cause by reversing the tire's
>> rotate. All I'm doing is giving this group my experiences, they may
>> follow whatever their conscious allows.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
>>> tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
>>> manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
>>> proper 'wear'.
>>>
>>> I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
>>> the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
>>> rather than the maker of the vehicle.
>>>
>>> Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
>>> lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
>>> wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
>>> of rotating???
>>> Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
>>> Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
>>> dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
>>> 'usually' means belt separation eh.
>>>
>>> LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
>>>
>>> Mike
>
>Not checking air pressures regularly, I'm sure, had nothing to do with the
>Explorer failures. I'm certain all those failures resulted in people going
>to the trouble of rotating but these same people just never checked the
>pressure since it was so difficult to do.
>
>Riiiiiiiiight.
That lack of maintenance on top of Ford's already low recommended tire pressure
wasn't a good combo.
>
>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>news:431F55A1.BB427F0B@***.net...
>> Hi Mike,
>> I have no doubt every one of Firestone's failures that cause an
>> Explorer to kill someone was initially cause by reversing the tire's
>> rotate. All I'm doing is giving this group my experiences, they may
>> follow whatever their conscious allows.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
>>> tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
>>> manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
>>> proper 'wear'.
>>>
>>> I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
>>> the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
>>> rather than the maker of the vehicle.
>>>
>>> Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
>>> lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
>>> wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
>>> of rotating???
>>> Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
>>> Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
>>> dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
>>> 'usually' means belt separation eh.
>>>
>>> LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
>>>
>>> Mike
>
#149
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Tire Rotation
In message <n_mdnTcVwJaE5YLeRVn-ug@comcast.com>, "Matt Macchiarolo" wrote:
>Not checking air pressures regularly, I'm sure, had nothing to do with the
>Explorer failures. I'm certain all those failures resulted in people going
>to the trouble of rotating but these same people just never checked the
>pressure since it was so difficult to do.
>
>Riiiiiiiiight.
That lack of maintenance on top of Ford's already low recommended tire pressure
wasn't a good combo.
>
>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>news:431F55A1.BB427F0B@***.net...
>> Hi Mike,
>> I have no doubt every one of Firestone's failures that cause an
>> Explorer to kill someone was initially cause by reversing the tire's
>> rotate. All I'm doing is giving this group my experiences, they may
>> follow whatever their conscious allows.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
>>> tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
>>> manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
>>> proper 'wear'.
>>>
>>> I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
>>> the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
>>> rather than the maker of the vehicle.
>>>
>>> Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
>>> lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
>>> wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
>>> of rotating???
>>> Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
>>> Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
>>> dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
>>> 'usually' means belt separation eh.
>>>
>>> LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
>>>
>>> Mike
>
>Not checking air pressures regularly, I'm sure, had nothing to do with the
>Explorer failures. I'm certain all those failures resulted in people going
>to the trouble of rotating but these same people just never checked the
>pressure since it was so difficult to do.
>
>Riiiiiiiiight.
That lack of maintenance on top of Ford's already low recommended tire pressure
wasn't a good combo.
>
>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>news:431F55A1.BB427F0B@***.net...
>> Hi Mike,
>> I have no doubt every one of Firestone's failures that cause an
>> Explorer to kill someone was initially cause by reversing the tire's
>> rotate. All I'm doing is giving this group my experiences, they may
>> follow whatever their conscious allows.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
>>> tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
>>> manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
>>> proper 'wear'.
>>>
>>> I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
>>> the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
>>> rather than the maker of the vehicle.
>>>
>>> Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
>>> lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
>>> wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
>>> of rotating???
>>> Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
>>> Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
>>> dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
>>> 'usually' means belt separation eh.
>>>
>>> LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
>>>
>>> Mike
>
#150
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Tire Rotation
Ford has stock rims but replacement tires, no idea what the offset is, TJ
has aftermarket wheels with 4" backspacing.You know full well TJ *factory*
wheels don't have zero offset.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:431F8242.EB2EF313@***.net...
> Then both your vehicles still have stock rims, with zero off sets.
> Do you know what a bubble feels like just before it explodes, and your
> family rolls and burns.
> God Bless America, ill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>> Both my Ford and TJ manuals suggest cross-rotation:
>>
>> http://townpeddler.com/rotation.html
>>
>> I rotate five-way as described in the Ford manual.
has aftermarket wheels with 4" backspacing.You know full well TJ *factory*
wheels don't have zero offset.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:431F8242.EB2EF313@***.net...
> Then both your vehicles still have stock rims, with zero off sets.
> Do you know what a bubble feels like just before it explodes, and your
> family rolls and burns.
> God Bless America, ill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>> Both my Ford and TJ manuals suggest cross-rotation:
>>
>> http://townpeddler.com/rotation.html
>>
>> I rotate five-way as described in the Ford manual.