Re: Tire Rotation
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Re: Tire Rotation
Read an owner's manual that's not 20 years old and you'll find the Jeep
engineers agree with me on this. You're stuck in the dark ages.
In message <43203DB1.F5A54BED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>Well, I guess if you are smarter than the Jeep engineers and with a name
>like bllsht you can get away with anything you type.
>
>Mike
>
>bllsht wrote:
>>
>> In message <431EE88F.BDC345EB@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>>
>> >Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
>> >tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
>> >manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
>> >proper 'wear'.
>> >
>> >I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
>> >the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
>> >rather than the maker of the vehicle.
>>
>> And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
>> manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
>> would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
>> you know that still buy tires?
>>
>> A real rocket scientist you are!
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
>> >lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
>> >wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
>> >of rotating???
>> >Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
>> >Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
>> >dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
>> >'usually' means belt separation eh.
>> >
>> >LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
>>
>> Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
>> tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
>> properly rotating them.
>>
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >bllsht wrote:
>> >>
>> >> If your attention span was longer than 2 seconds, you'd understand that if tire
>> >> manufacturers wanted your tires to wear out quickly, they wouldn't recommend
>> >> rotating them at all. But they do.
>> >>
>> >> You are the one who said not to cross them because they will separate. Do you
>> >> really think they'd recommend crossing them if it posed a risk of serious tire
>> >> failure? Did you sleep through the Ford/Firestone debacle?
>> >>
>> >> Get real.
>> >>
>> >> In message <431DA68B.C025FBED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Umm, correct me if I am wrong here, but aren't all these folks in the
>> >> >business of 'selling' you new tires?
>> >> >
>> >> >Pretty hard on their bottom line if your tires don't wear out isn't
>> >> >it.....
>> >> >
>> >> >LOL!
>> >> >
>> >> >Mike
>> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> >
>> >> >bllsht wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Goodyear and Bridgestone/Firestone as well.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In message <fcJPe.5162$ct5.1103@fed1read04>, "Jerry Bransford" wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >The first two brands I checked, BFG and Michelin, still recommends
>> >> >> >cross-rotating their tires. They even give a cool little animation of
>> >> >> >how to rotate tires at http://www.michelinman.com/care/tip2.html with
>> >> >> >BFG having a similar animation.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Jerry
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >J Strickland wrote:
>> >> >> >> Most of them do not recommend that anymore. And none of them suggest that
>> >> >> >> not crossing them is a bad thing.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> There is nothing wrong with crossing them unless there is a specific reason
>> >> >> >> not to, ie.: directional tires. But when there is any doubt, there is
>> >> >> >> nothing wrong with keeping the left tires on the left side and the right
>> >> >> >> tires on the right side. Many automakers these days suggest that rotating
>> >> >> >> tires is not necessary at all. If one has to ask, what is the correct way to
>> >> >> >> rotate tires, this person can be told to keep them on the same side and
>> >> >> >> he'll get through his life just fine.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:vubtg1thi5ma6cbqlpq0n5l220kfipv041@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>Tire manufacturers recommend crossing them.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>In message <G_CdnXNmV8M0bZDeRVn-2g@ez2.net>, "J Strickland" wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>>Do not cross the tires. Keep the left tires on the left side and the right
>> >> >> >>>>tires on the right side.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>>news:68c0$430d3086$42a1cc8c$30871@FUSE.NET.. .
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>To clarify my original question I would be doing a 4 wheel rotation.
>> >> >> >>>>>The
>> >> >> >>>>>spare is a Wrangler ST and I would rather not have mismatched quality
>> >> >> >>>>>tires.
>> >> >> >>>>>http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>--
>> >> >> >>>>>.
>> >> >> >>>>>Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> >> >>>>>2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> >> >>>>>Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
>> >> >> >>>>>Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> >> >> >>>>>.
>> >> >> >>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>>>news:430D0BE5.FA42DC43@***.net...
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> That's a new one for me: http://www.fostertire.com/tcm_rttn.htm
>> >> >> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> >> >> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>Nathan Otis wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>I've always just rotated clockwise. I've been rotating my MTRs
>> >> >> >>>>>>>clockwise
>> >> >> >>>>>>>since the day I got 'em and I've got over 35K on 'em... No sign of
>> >> >> >>>>>>>seperation.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>YMMV (HAHA!!! That's a joke)
>> >> >> >>>>>>>n.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
engineers agree with me on this. You're stuck in the dark ages.
In message <43203DB1.F5A54BED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>Well, I guess if you are smarter than the Jeep engineers and with a name
>like bllsht you can get away with anything you type.
>
>Mike
>
>bllsht wrote:
>>
>> In message <431EE88F.BDC345EB@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>>
>> >Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
>> >tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
>> >manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
>> >proper 'wear'.
>> >
>> >I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
>> >the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
>> >rather than the maker of the vehicle.
>>
>> And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
>> manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
>> would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
>> you know that still buy tires?
>>
>> A real rocket scientist you are!
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
>> >lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
>> >wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
>> >of rotating???
>> >Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
>> >Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
>> >dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
>> >'usually' means belt separation eh.
>> >
>> >LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
>>
>> Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
>> tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
>> properly rotating them.
>>
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >bllsht wrote:
>> >>
>> >> If your attention span was longer than 2 seconds, you'd understand that if tire
>> >> manufacturers wanted your tires to wear out quickly, they wouldn't recommend
>> >> rotating them at all. But they do.
>> >>
>> >> You are the one who said not to cross them because they will separate. Do you
>> >> really think they'd recommend crossing them if it posed a risk of serious tire
>> >> failure? Did you sleep through the Ford/Firestone debacle?
>> >>
>> >> Get real.
>> >>
>> >> In message <431DA68B.C025FBED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Umm, correct me if I am wrong here, but aren't all these folks in the
>> >> >business of 'selling' you new tires?
>> >> >
>> >> >Pretty hard on their bottom line if your tires don't wear out isn't
>> >> >it.....
>> >> >
>> >> >LOL!
>> >> >
>> >> >Mike
>> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> >
>> >> >bllsht wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Goodyear and Bridgestone/Firestone as well.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In message <fcJPe.5162$ct5.1103@fed1read04>, "Jerry Bransford" wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >The first two brands I checked, BFG and Michelin, still recommends
>> >> >> >cross-rotating their tires. They even give a cool little animation of
>> >> >> >how to rotate tires at http://www.michelinman.com/care/tip2.html with
>> >> >> >BFG having a similar animation.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Jerry
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >J Strickland wrote:
>> >> >> >> Most of them do not recommend that anymore. And none of them suggest that
>> >> >> >> not crossing them is a bad thing.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> There is nothing wrong with crossing them unless there is a specific reason
>> >> >> >> not to, ie.: directional tires. But when there is any doubt, there is
>> >> >> >> nothing wrong with keeping the left tires on the left side and the right
>> >> >> >> tires on the right side. Many automakers these days suggest that rotating
>> >> >> >> tires is not necessary at all. If one has to ask, what is the correct way to
>> >> >> >> rotate tires, this person can be told to keep them on the same side and
>> >> >> >> he'll get through his life just fine.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:vubtg1thi5ma6cbqlpq0n5l220kfipv041@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>Tire manufacturers recommend crossing them.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>In message <G_CdnXNmV8M0bZDeRVn-2g@ez2.net>, "J Strickland" wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>>Do not cross the tires. Keep the left tires on the left side and the right
>> >> >> >>>>tires on the right side.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>>news:68c0$430d3086$42a1cc8c$30871@FUSE.NET.. .
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>To clarify my original question I would be doing a 4 wheel rotation.
>> >> >> >>>>>The
>> >> >> >>>>>spare is a Wrangler ST and I would rather not have mismatched quality
>> >> >> >>>>>tires.
>> >> >> >>>>>http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>--
>> >> >> >>>>>.
>> >> >> >>>>>Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> >> >>>>>2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> >> >>>>>Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
>> >> >> >>>>>Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> >> >> >>>>>.
>> >> >> >>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>>>news:430D0BE5.FA42DC43@***.net...
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> That's a new one for me: http://www.fostertire.com/tcm_rttn.htm
>> >> >> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> >> >> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>Nathan Otis wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>I've always just rotated clockwise. I've been rotating my MTRs
>> >> >> >>>>>>>clockwise
>> >> >> >>>>>>>since the day I got 'em and I've got over 35K on 'em... No sign of
>> >> >> >>>>>>>seperation.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>YMMV (HAHA!!! That's a joke)
>> >> >> >>>>>>>n.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
#212
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Posts: n/a
Re: Tire Rotation
Read an owner's manual that's not 20 years old and you'll find the Jeep
engineers agree with me on this. You're stuck in the dark ages.
In message <43203DB1.F5A54BED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>Well, I guess if you are smarter than the Jeep engineers and with a name
>like bllsht you can get away with anything you type.
>
>Mike
>
>bllsht wrote:
>>
>> In message <431EE88F.BDC345EB@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>>
>> >Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
>> >tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
>> >manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
>> >proper 'wear'.
>> >
>> >I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
>> >the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
>> >rather than the maker of the vehicle.
>>
>> And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
>> manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
>> would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
>> you know that still buy tires?
>>
>> A real rocket scientist you are!
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
>> >lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
>> >wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
>> >of rotating???
>> >Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
>> >Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
>> >dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
>> >'usually' means belt separation eh.
>> >
>> >LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
>>
>> Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
>> tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
>> properly rotating them.
>>
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >bllsht wrote:
>> >>
>> >> If your attention span was longer than 2 seconds, you'd understand that if tire
>> >> manufacturers wanted your tires to wear out quickly, they wouldn't recommend
>> >> rotating them at all. But they do.
>> >>
>> >> You are the one who said not to cross them because they will separate. Do you
>> >> really think they'd recommend crossing them if it posed a risk of serious tire
>> >> failure? Did you sleep through the Ford/Firestone debacle?
>> >>
>> >> Get real.
>> >>
>> >> In message <431DA68B.C025FBED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Umm, correct me if I am wrong here, but aren't all these folks in the
>> >> >business of 'selling' you new tires?
>> >> >
>> >> >Pretty hard on their bottom line if your tires don't wear out isn't
>> >> >it.....
>> >> >
>> >> >LOL!
>> >> >
>> >> >Mike
>> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> >
>> >> >bllsht wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Goodyear and Bridgestone/Firestone as well.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In message <fcJPe.5162$ct5.1103@fed1read04>, "Jerry Bransford" wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >The first two brands I checked, BFG and Michelin, still recommends
>> >> >> >cross-rotating their tires. They even give a cool little animation of
>> >> >> >how to rotate tires at http://www.michelinman.com/care/tip2.html with
>> >> >> >BFG having a similar animation.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Jerry
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >J Strickland wrote:
>> >> >> >> Most of them do not recommend that anymore. And none of them suggest that
>> >> >> >> not crossing them is a bad thing.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> There is nothing wrong with crossing them unless there is a specific reason
>> >> >> >> not to, ie.: directional tires. But when there is any doubt, there is
>> >> >> >> nothing wrong with keeping the left tires on the left side and the right
>> >> >> >> tires on the right side. Many automakers these days suggest that rotating
>> >> >> >> tires is not necessary at all. If one has to ask, what is the correct way to
>> >> >> >> rotate tires, this person can be told to keep them on the same side and
>> >> >> >> he'll get through his life just fine.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:vubtg1thi5ma6cbqlpq0n5l220kfipv041@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>Tire manufacturers recommend crossing them.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>In message <G_CdnXNmV8M0bZDeRVn-2g@ez2.net>, "J Strickland" wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>>Do not cross the tires. Keep the left tires on the left side and the right
>> >> >> >>>>tires on the right side.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>>news:68c0$430d3086$42a1cc8c$30871@FUSE.NET.. .
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>To clarify my original question I would be doing a 4 wheel rotation.
>> >> >> >>>>>The
>> >> >> >>>>>spare is a Wrangler ST and I would rather not have mismatched quality
>> >> >> >>>>>tires.
>> >> >> >>>>>http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>--
>> >> >> >>>>>.
>> >> >> >>>>>Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> >> >>>>>2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> >> >>>>>Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
>> >> >> >>>>>Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> >> >> >>>>>.
>> >> >> >>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>>>news:430D0BE5.FA42DC43@***.net...
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> That's a new one for me: http://www.fostertire.com/tcm_rttn.htm
>> >> >> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> >> >> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>Nathan Otis wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>I've always just rotated clockwise. I've been rotating my MTRs
>> >> >> >>>>>>>clockwise
>> >> >> >>>>>>>since the day I got 'em and I've got over 35K on 'em... No sign of
>> >> >> >>>>>>>seperation.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>YMMV (HAHA!!! That's a joke)
>> >> >> >>>>>>>n.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
engineers agree with me on this. You're stuck in the dark ages.
In message <43203DB1.F5A54BED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>Well, I guess if you are smarter than the Jeep engineers and with a name
>like bllsht you can get away with anything you type.
>
>Mike
>
>bllsht wrote:
>>
>> In message <431EE88F.BDC345EB@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>>
>> >Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
>> >tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
>> >manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
>> >proper 'wear'.
>> >
>> >I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
>> >the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
>> >rather than the maker of the vehicle.
>>
>> And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
>> manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
>> would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
>> you know that still buy tires?
>>
>> A real rocket scientist you are!
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
>> >lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
>> >wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
>> >of rotating???
>> >Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
>> >Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
>> >dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
>> >'usually' means belt separation eh.
>> >
>> >LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
>>
>> Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
>> tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
>> properly rotating them.
>>
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >bllsht wrote:
>> >>
>> >> If your attention span was longer than 2 seconds, you'd understand that if tire
>> >> manufacturers wanted your tires to wear out quickly, they wouldn't recommend
>> >> rotating them at all. But they do.
>> >>
>> >> You are the one who said not to cross them because they will separate. Do you
>> >> really think they'd recommend crossing them if it posed a risk of serious tire
>> >> failure? Did you sleep through the Ford/Firestone debacle?
>> >>
>> >> Get real.
>> >>
>> >> In message <431DA68B.C025FBED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Umm, correct me if I am wrong here, but aren't all these folks in the
>> >> >business of 'selling' you new tires?
>> >> >
>> >> >Pretty hard on their bottom line if your tires don't wear out isn't
>> >> >it.....
>> >> >
>> >> >LOL!
>> >> >
>> >> >Mike
>> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> >
>> >> >bllsht wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Goodyear and Bridgestone/Firestone as well.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In message <fcJPe.5162$ct5.1103@fed1read04>, "Jerry Bransford" wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >The first two brands I checked, BFG and Michelin, still recommends
>> >> >> >cross-rotating their tires. They even give a cool little animation of
>> >> >> >how to rotate tires at http://www.michelinman.com/care/tip2.html with
>> >> >> >BFG having a similar animation.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Jerry
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >J Strickland wrote:
>> >> >> >> Most of them do not recommend that anymore. And none of them suggest that
>> >> >> >> not crossing them is a bad thing.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> There is nothing wrong with crossing them unless there is a specific reason
>> >> >> >> not to, ie.: directional tires. But when there is any doubt, there is
>> >> >> >> nothing wrong with keeping the left tires on the left side and the right
>> >> >> >> tires on the right side. Many automakers these days suggest that rotating
>> >> >> >> tires is not necessary at all. If one has to ask, what is the correct way to
>> >> >> >> rotate tires, this person can be told to keep them on the same side and
>> >> >> >> he'll get through his life just fine.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:vubtg1thi5ma6cbqlpq0n5l220kfipv041@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>Tire manufacturers recommend crossing them.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>In message <G_CdnXNmV8M0bZDeRVn-2g@ez2.net>, "J Strickland" wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>>Do not cross the tires. Keep the left tires on the left side and the right
>> >> >> >>>>tires on the right side.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>>news:68c0$430d3086$42a1cc8c$30871@FUSE.NET.. .
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>To clarify my original question I would be doing a 4 wheel rotation.
>> >> >> >>>>>The
>> >> >> >>>>>spare is a Wrangler ST and I would rather not have mismatched quality
>> >> >> >>>>>tires.
>> >> >> >>>>>http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>--
>> >> >> >>>>>.
>> >> >> >>>>>Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> >> >>>>>2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> >> >>>>>Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
>> >> >> >>>>>Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> >> >> >>>>>.
>> >> >> >>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>>>news:430D0BE5.FA42DC43@***.net...
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> That's a new one for me: http://www.fostertire.com/tcm_rttn.htm
>> >> >> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> >> >> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>Nathan Otis wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>I've always just rotated clockwise. I've been rotating my MTRs
>> >> >> >>>>>>>clockwise
>> >> >> >>>>>>>since the day I got 'em and I've got over 35K on 'em... No sign of
>> >> >> >>>>>>>seperation.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>YMMV (HAHA!!! That's a joke)
>> >> >> >>>>>>>n.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
#213
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Tire Rotation
Read an owner's manual that's not 20 years old and you'll find the Jeep
engineers agree with me on this. You're stuck in the dark ages.
In message <43203DB1.F5A54BED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>Well, I guess if you are smarter than the Jeep engineers and with a name
>like bllsht you can get away with anything you type.
>
>Mike
>
>bllsht wrote:
>>
>> In message <431EE88F.BDC345EB@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>>
>> >Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
>> >tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
>> >manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
>> >proper 'wear'.
>> >
>> >I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
>> >the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
>> >rather than the maker of the vehicle.
>>
>> And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
>> manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
>> would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
>> you know that still buy tires?
>>
>> A real rocket scientist you are!
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
>> >lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
>> >wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
>> >of rotating???
>> >Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
>> >Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
>> >dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
>> >'usually' means belt separation eh.
>> >
>> >LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
>>
>> Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
>> tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
>> properly rotating them.
>>
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >bllsht wrote:
>> >>
>> >> If your attention span was longer than 2 seconds, you'd understand that if tire
>> >> manufacturers wanted your tires to wear out quickly, they wouldn't recommend
>> >> rotating them at all. But they do.
>> >>
>> >> You are the one who said not to cross them because they will separate. Do you
>> >> really think they'd recommend crossing them if it posed a risk of serious tire
>> >> failure? Did you sleep through the Ford/Firestone debacle?
>> >>
>> >> Get real.
>> >>
>> >> In message <431DA68B.C025FBED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Umm, correct me if I am wrong here, but aren't all these folks in the
>> >> >business of 'selling' you new tires?
>> >> >
>> >> >Pretty hard on their bottom line if your tires don't wear out isn't
>> >> >it.....
>> >> >
>> >> >LOL!
>> >> >
>> >> >Mike
>> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> >
>> >> >bllsht wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Goodyear and Bridgestone/Firestone as well.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In message <fcJPe.5162$ct5.1103@fed1read04>, "Jerry Bransford" wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >The first two brands I checked, BFG and Michelin, still recommends
>> >> >> >cross-rotating their tires. They even give a cool little animation of
>> >> >> >how to rotate tires at http://www.michelinman.com/care/tip2.html with
>> >> >> >BFG having a similar animation.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Jerry
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >J Strickland wrote:
>> >> >> >> Most of them do not recommend that anymore. And none of them suggest that
>> >> >> >> not crossing them is a bad thing.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> There is nothing wrong with crossing them unless there is a specific reason
>> >> >> >> not to, ie.: directional tires. But when there is any doubt, there is
>> >> >> >> nothing wrong with keeping the left tires on the left side and the right
>> >> >> >> tires on the right side. Many automakers these days suggest that rotating
>> >> >> >> tires is not necessary at all. If one has to ask, what is the correct way to
>> >> >> >> rotate tires, this person can be told to keep them on the same side and
>> >> >> >> he'll get through his life just fine.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:vubtg1thi5ma6cbqlpq0n5l220kfipv041@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>Tire manufacturers recommend crossing them.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>In message <G_CdnXNmV8M0bZDeRVn-2g@ez2.net>, "J Strickland" wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>>Do not cross the tires. Keep the left tires on the left side and the right
>> >> >> >>>>tires on the right side.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>>news:68c0$430d3086$42a1cc8c$30871@FUSE.NET.. .
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>To clarify my original question I would be doing a 4 wheel rotation.
>> >> >> >>>>>The
>> >> >> >>>>>spare is a Wrangler ST and I would rather not have mismatched quality
>> >> >> >>>>>tires.
>> >> >> >>>>>http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>--
>> >> >> >>>>>.
>> >> >> >>>>>Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> >> >>>>>2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> >> >>>>>Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
>> >> >> >>>>>Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> >> >> >>>>>.
>> >> >> >>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>>>news:430D0BE5.FA42DC43@***.net...
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> That's a new one for me: http://www.fostertire.com/tcm_rttn.htm
>> >> >> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> >> >> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>Nathan Otis wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>I've always just rotated clockwise. I've been rotating my MTRs
>> >> >> >>>>>>>clockwise
>> >> >> >>>>>>>since the day I got 'em and I've got over 35K on 'em... No sign of
>> >> >> >>>>>>>seperation.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>YMMV (HAHA!!! That's a joke)
>> >> >> >>>>>>>n.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
engineers agree with me on this. You're stuck in the dark ages.
In message <43203DB1.F5A54BED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>Well, I guess if you are smarter than the Jeep engineers and with a name
>like bllsht you can get away with anything you type.
>
>Mike
>
>bllsht wrote:
>>
>> In message <431EE88F.BDC345EB@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>>
>> >Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
>> >tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
>> >manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
>> >proper 'wear'.
>> >
>> >I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
>> >the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
>> >rather than the maker of the vehicle.
>>
>> And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
>> manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
>> would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
>> you know that still buy tires?
>>
>> A real rocket scientist you are!
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
>> >lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
>> >wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
>> >of rotating???
>> >Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
>> >Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
>> >dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
>> >'usually' means belt separation eh.
>> >
>> >LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
>>
>> Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
>> tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
>> properly rotating them.
>>
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >bllsht wrote:
>> >>
>> >> If your attention span was longer than 2 seconds, you'd understand that if tire
>> >> manufacturers wanted your tires to wear out quickly, they wouldn't recommend
>> >> rotating them at all. But they do.
>> >>
>> >> You are the one who said not to cross them because they will separate. Do you
>> >> really think they'd recommend crossing them if it posed a risk of serious tire
>> >> failure? Did you sleep through the Ford/Firestone debacle?
>> >>
>> >> Get real.
>> >>
>> >> In message <431DA68B.C025FBED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Umm, correct me if I am wrong here, but aren't all these folks in the
>> >> >business of 'selling' you new tires?
>> >> >
>> >> >Pretty hard on their bottom line if your tires don't wear out isn't
>> >> >it.....
>> >> >
>> >> >LOL!
>> >> >
>> >> >Mike
>> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> >
>> >> >bllsht wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Goodyear and Bridgestone/Firestone as well.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In message <fcJPe.5162$ct5.1103@fed1read04>, "Jerry Bransford" wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >The first two brands I checked, BFG and Michelin, still recommends
>> >> >> >cross-rotating their tires. They even give a cool little animation of
>> >> >> >how to rotate tires at http://www.michelinman.com/care/tip2.html with
>> >> >> >BFG having a similar animation.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Jerry
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >J Strickland wrote:
>> >> >> >> Most of them do not recommend that anymore. And none of them suggest that
>> >> >> >> not crossing them is a bad thing.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> There is nothing wrong with crossing them unless there is a specific reason
>> >> >> >> not to, ie.: directional tires. But when there is any doubt, there is
>> >> >> >> nothing wrong with keeping the left tires on the left side and the right
>> >> >> >> tires on the right side. Many automakers these days suggest that rotating
>> >> >> >> tires is not necessary at all. If one has to ask, what is the correct way to
>> >> >> >> rotate tires, this person can be told to keep them on the same side and
>> >> >> >> he'll get through his life just fine.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:vubtg1thi5ma6cbqlpq0n5l220kfipv041@4ax.com...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>Tire manufacturers recommend crossing them.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>In message <G_CdnXNmV8M0bZDeRVn-2g@ez2.net>, "J Strickland" wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>>Do not cross the tires. Keep the left tires on the left side and the right
>> >> >> >>>>tires on the right side.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>>news:68c0$430d3086$42a1cc8c$30871@FUSE.NET.. .
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>To clarify my original question I would be doing a 4 wheel rotation.
>> >> >> >>>>>The
>> >> >> >>>>>spare is a Wrangler ST and I would rather not have mismatched quality
>> >> >> >>>>>tires.
>> >> >> >>>>>http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>--
>> >> >> >>>>>.
>> >> >> >>>>>Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> >> >> >>>>>2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> >> >> >>>>>Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
>> >> >> >>>>>Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> >> >> >>>>>.
>> >> >> >>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >>>>>news:430D0BE5.FA42DC43@***.net...
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> That's a new one for me: http://www.fostertire.com/tcm_rttn.htm
>> >> >> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> >> >> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>Nathan Otis wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>I've always just rotated clockwise. I've been rotating my MTRs
>> >> >> >>>>>>>clockwise
>> >> >> >>>>>>>since the day I got 'em and I've got over 35K on 'em... No sign of
>> >> >> >>>>>>>seperation.
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>>YMMV (HAHA!!! That's a joke)
>> >> >> >>>>>>>n.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
#214
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Tire Rotation
My last set of 31x10.5" muds wore out perfectly even using the 'dark
ages' method.
Mike
bllsht wrote:
>
> Read an owner's manual that's not 20 years old and you'll find the Jeep
> engineers agree with me on this. You're stuck in the dark ages.
>
> In message <43203DB1.F5A54BED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >Well, I guess if you are smarter than the Jeep engineers and with a name
> >like bllsht you can get away with anything you type.
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >> In message <431EE88F.BDC345EB@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >>
> >> >Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
> >> >tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
> >> >manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
> >> >proper 'wear'.
> >> >
> >> >I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
> >> >the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
> >> >rather than the maker of the vehicle.
> >>
> >> And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
> >> manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
> >> would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
> >> you know that still buy tires?
> >>
> >> A real rocket scientist you are!
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
> >> >lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
> >> >wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
> >> >of rotating???
> >> >Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
> >> >Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
> >> >dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
> >> >'usually' means belt separation eh.
> >> >
> >> >LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
> >>
> >> Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
> >> tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
> >> properly rotating them.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >
> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> If your attention span was longer than 2 seconds, you'd understand that if tire
> >> >> manufacturers wanted your tires to wear out quickly, they wouldn't recommend
> >> >> rotating them at all. But they do.
> >> >>
> >> >> You are the one who said not to cross them because they will separate. Do you
> >> >> really think they'd recommend crossing them if it posed a risk of serious tire
> >> >> failure? Did you sleep through the Ford/Firestone debacle?
> >> >>
> >> >> Get real.
> >> >>
> >> >> In message <431DA68B.C025FBED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Umm, correct me if I am wrong here, but aren't all these folks in the
> >> >> >business of 'selling' you new tires?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Pretty hard on their bottom line if your tires don't wear out isn't
> >> >> >it.....
> >> >> >
> >> >> >LOL!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Mike
> >> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >> >
> >> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Goodyear and Bridgestone/Firestone as well.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In message <fcJPe.5162$ct5.1103@fed1read04>, "Jerry Bransford" wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >The first two brands I checked, BFG and Michelin, still recommends
> >> >> >> >cross-rotating their tires. They even give a cool little animation of
> >> >> >> >how to rotate tires at http://www.michelinman.com/care/tip2.html with
> >> >> >> >BFG having a similar animation.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Jerry
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >J Strickland wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Most of them do not recommend that anymore. And none of them suggest that
> >> >> >> >> not crossing them is a bad thing.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> There is nothing wrong with crossing them unless there is a specific reason
> >> >> >> >> not to, ie.: directional tires. But when there is any doubt, there is
> >> >> >> >> nothing wrong with keeping the left tires on the left side and the right
> >> >> >> >> tires on the right side. Many automakers these days suggest that rotating
> >> >> >> >> tires is not necessary at all. If one has to ask, what is the correct way to
> >> >> >> >> rotate tires, this person can be told to keep them on the same side and
> >> >> >> >> he'll get through his life just fine.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:vubtg1thi5ma6cbqlpq0n5l220kfipv041@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>Tire manufacturers recommend crossing them.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>In message <G_CdnXNmV8M0bZDeRVn-2g@ez2.net>, "J Strickland" wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>>Do not cross the tires. Keep the left tires on the left side and the right
> >> >> >> >>>>tires on the right side.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>news:68c0$430d3086$42a1cc8c$30871@FUSE.NET.. .
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>To clarify my original question I would be doing a 4 wheel rotation.
> >> >> >> >>>>>The
> >> >> >> >>>>>spare is a Wrangler ST and I would rather not have mismatched quality
> >> >> >> >>>>>tires.
> >> >> >> >>>>>http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>--
> >> >> >> >>>>>.
> >> >> >> >>>>>Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> >> >> >> >>>>>2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> >> >> >> >>>>>Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> >> >> >> >>>>>Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> >> >> >> >>>>>.
> >> >> >> >>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>>news:430D0BE5.FA42DC43@***.net...
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> That's a new one for me: http://www.fostertire.com/tcm_rttn.htm
> >> >> >> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >> >> >> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>Nathan Otis wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>I've always just rotated clockwise. I've been rotating my MTRs
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>clockwise
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>since the day I got 'em and I've got over 35K on 'em... No sign of
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>seperation.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>YMMV (HAHA!!! That's a joke)
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>n.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
ages' method.
Mike
bllsht wrote:
>
> Read an owner's manual that's not 20 years old and you'll find the Jeep
> engineers agree with me on this. You're stuck in the dark ages.
>
> In message <43203DB1.F5A54BED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >Well, I guess if you are smarter than the Jeep engineers and with a name
> >like bllsht you can get away with anything you type.
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >> In message <431EE88F.BDC345EB@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >>
> >> >Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
> >> >tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
> >> >manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
> >> >proper 'wear'.
> >> >
> >> >I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
> >> >the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
> >> >rather than the maker of the vehicle.
> >>
> >> And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
> >> manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
> >> would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
> >> you know that still buy tires?
> >>
> >> A real rocket scientist you are!
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
> >> >lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
> >> >wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
> >> >of rotating???
> >> >Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
> >> >Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
> >> >dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
> >> >'usually' means belt separation eh.
> >> >
> >> >LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
> >>
> >> Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
> >> tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
> >> properly rotating them.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >
> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> If your attention span was longer than 2 seconds, you'd understand that if tire
> >> >> manufacturers wanted your tires to wear out quickly, they wouldn't recommend
> >> >> rotating them at all. But they do.
> >> >>
> >> >> You are the one who said not to cross them because they will separate. Do you
> >> >> really think they'd recommend crossing them if it posed a risk of serious tire
> >> >> failure? Did you sleep through the Ford/Firestone debacle?
> >> >>
> >> >> Get real.
> >> >>
> >> >> In message <431DA68B.C025FBED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Umm, correct me if I am wrong here, but aren't all these folks in the
> >> >> >business of 'selling' you new tires?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Pretty hard on their bottom line if your tires don't wear out isn't
> >> >> >it.....
> >> >> >
> >> >> >LOL!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Mike
> >> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >> >
> >> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Goodyear and Bridgestone/Firestone as well.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In message <fcJPe.5162$ct5.1103@fed1read04>, "Jerry Bransford" wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >The first two brands I checked, BFG and Michelin, still recommends
> >> >> >> >cross-rotating their tires. They even give a cool little animation of
> >> >> >> >how to rotate tires at http://www.michelinman.com/care/tip2.html with
> >> >> >> >BFG having a similar animation.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Jerry
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >J Strickland wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Most of them do not recommend that anymore. And none of them suggest that
> >> >> >> >> not crossing them is a bad thing.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> There is nothing wrong with crossing them unless there is a specific reason
> >> >> >> >> not to, ie.: directional tires. But when there is any doubt, there is
> >> >> >> >> nothing wrong with keeping the left tires on the left side and the right
> >> >> >> >> tires on the right side. Many automakers these days suggest that rotating
> >> >> >> >> tires is not necessary at all. If one has to ask, what is the correct way to
> >> >> >> >> rotate tires, this person can be told to keep them on the same side and
> >> >> >> >> he'll get through his life just fine.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:vubtg1thi5ma6cbqlpq0n5l220kfipv041@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>Tire manufacturers recommend crossing them.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>In message <G_CdnXNmV8M0bZDeRVn-2g@ez2.net>, "J Strickland" wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>>Do not cross the tires. Keep the left tires on the left side and the right
> >> >> >> >>>>tires on the right side.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>news:68c0$430d3086$42a1cc8c$30871@FUSE.NET.. .
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>To clarify my original question I would be doing a 4 wheel rotation.
> >> >> >> >>>>>The
> >> >> >> >>>>>spare is a Wrangler ST and I would rather not have mismatched quality
> >> >> >> >>>>>tires.
> >> >> >> >>>>>http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>--
> >> >> >> >>>>>.
> >> >> >> >>>>>Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> >> >> >> >>>>>2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> >> >> >> >>>>>Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> >> >> >> >>>>>Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> >> >> >> >>>>>.
> >> >> >> >>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>>news:430D0BE5.FA42DC43@***.net...
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> That's a new one for me: http://www.fostertire.com/tcm_rttn.htm
> >> >> >> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >> >> >> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>Nathan Otis wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>I've always just rotated clockwise. I've been rotating my MTRs
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>clockwise
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>since the day I got 'em and I've got over 35K on 'em... No sign of
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>seperation.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>YMMV (HAHA!!! That's a joke)
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>n.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
#215
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Tire Rotation
My last set of 31x10.5" muds wore out perfectly even using the 'dark
ages' method.
Mike
bllsht wrote:
>
> Read an owner's manual that's not 20 years old and you'll find the Jeep
> engineers agree with me on this. You're stuck in the dark ages.
>
> In message <43203DB1.F5A54BED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >Well, I guess if you are smarter than the Jeep engineers and with a name
> >like bllsht you can get away with anything you type.
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >> In message <431EE88F.BDC345EB@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >>
> >> >Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
> >> >tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
> >> >manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
> >> >proper 'wear'.
> >> >
> >> >I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
> >> >the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
> >> >rather than the maker of the vehicle.
> >>
> >> And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
> >> manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
> >> would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
> >> you know that still buy tires?
> >>
> >> A real rocket scientist you are!
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
> >> >lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
> >> >wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
> >> >of rotating???
> >> >Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
> >> >Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
> >> >dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
> >> >'usually' means belt separation eh.
> >> >
> >> >LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
> >>
> >> Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
> >> tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
> >> properly rotating them.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >
> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> If your attention span was longer than 2 seconds, you'd understand that if tire
> >> >> manufacturers wanted your tires to wear out quickly, they wouldn't recommend
> >> >> rotating them at all. But they do.
> >> >>
> >> >> You are the one who said not to cross them because they will separate. Do you
> >> >> really think they'd recommend crossing them if it posed a risk of serious tire
> >> >> failure? Did you sleep through the Ford/Firestone debacle?
> >> >>
> >> >> Get real.
> >> >>
> >> >> In message <431DA68B.C025FBED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Umm, correct me if I am wrong here, but aren't all these folks in the
> >> >> >business of 'selling' you new tires?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Pretty hard on their bottom line if your tires don't wear out isn't
> >> >> >it.....
> >> >> >
> >> >> >LOL!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Mike
> >> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >> >
> >> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Goodyear and Bridgestone/Firestone as well.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In message <fcJPe.5162$ct5.1103@fed1read04>, "Jerry Bransford" wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >The first two brands I checked, BFG and Michelin, still recommends
> >> >> >> >cross-rotating their tires. They even give a cool little animation of
> >> >> >> >how to rotate tires at http://www.michelinman.com/care/tip2.html with
> >> >> >> >BFG having a similar animation.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Jerry
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >J Strickland wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Most of them do not recommend that anymore. And none of them suggest that
> >> >> >> >> not crossing them is a bad thing.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> There is nothing wrong with crossing them unless there is a specific reason
> >> >> >> >> not to, ie.: directional tires. But when there is any doubt, there is
> >> >> >> >> nothing wrong with keeping the left tires on the left side and the right
> >> >> >> >> tires on the right side. Many automakers these days suggest that rotating
> >> >> >> >> tires is not necessary at all. If one has to ask, what is the correct way to
> >> >> >> >> rotate tires, this person can be told to keep them on the same side and
> >> >> >> >> he'll get through his life just fine.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:vubtg1thi5ma6cbqlpq0n5l220kfipv041@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>Tire manufacturers recommend crossing them.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>In message <G_CdnXNmV8M0bZDeRVn-2g@ez2.net>, "J Strickland" wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>>Do not cross the tires. Keep the left tires on the left side and the right
> >> >> >> >>>>tires on the right side.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>news:68c0$430d3086$42a1cc8c$30871@FUSE.NET.. .
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>To clarify my original question I would be doing a 4 wheel rotation.
> >> >> >> >>>>>The
> >> >> >> >>>>>spare is a Wrangler ST and I would rather not have mismatched quality
> >> >> >> >>>>>tires.
> >> >> >> >>>>>http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>--
> >> >> >> >>>>>.
> >> >> >> >>>>>Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> >> >> >> >>>>>2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> >> >> >> >>>>>Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> >> >> >> >>>>>Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> >> >> >> >>>>>.
> >> >> >> >>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>>news:430D0BE5.FA42DC43@***.net...
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> That's a new one for me: http://www.fostertire.com/tcm_rttn.htm
> >> >> >> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >> >> >> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>Nathan Otis wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>I've always just rotated clockwise. I've been rotating my MTRs
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>clockwise
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>since the day I got 'em and I've got over 35K on 'em... No sign of
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>seperation.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>YMMV (HAHA!!! That's a joke)
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>n.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
ages' method.
Mike
bllsht wrote:
>
> Read an owner's manual that's not 20 years old and you'll find the Jeep
> engineers agree with me on this. You're stuck in the dark ages.
>
> In message <43203DB1.F5A54BED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >Well, I guess if you are smarter than the Jeep engineers and with a name
> >like bllsht you can get away with anything you type.
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >> In message <431EE88F.BDC345EB@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >>
> >> >Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
> >> >tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
> >> >manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
> >> >proper 'wear'.
> >> >
> >> >I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
> >> >the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
> >> >rather than the maker of the vehicle.
> >>
> >> And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
> >> manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
> >> would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
> >> you know that still buy tires?
> >>
> >> A real rocket scientist you are!
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
> >> >lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
> >> >wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
> >> >of rotating???
> >> >Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
> >> >Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
> >> >dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
> >> >'usually' means belt separation eh.
> >> >
> >> >LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
> >>
> >> Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
> >> tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
> >> properly rotating them.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >
> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> If your attention span was longer than 2 seconds, you'd understand that if tire
> >> >> manufacturers wanted your tires to wear out quickly, they wouldn't recommend
> >> >> rotating them at all. But they do.
> >> >>
> >> >> You are the one who said not to cross them because they will separate. Do you
> >> >> really think they'd recommend crossing them if it posed a risk of serious tire
> >> >> failure? Did you sleep through the Ford/Firestone debacle?
> >> >>
> >> >> Get real.
> >> >>
> >> >> In message <431DA68B.C025FBED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Umm, correct me if I am wrong here, but aren't all these folks in the
> >> >> >business of 'selling' you new tires?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Pretty hard on their bottom line if your tires don't wear out isn't
> >> >> >it.....
> >> >> >
> >> >> >LOL!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Mike
> >> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >> >
> >> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Goodyear and Bridgestone/Firestone as well.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In message <fcJPe.5162$ct5.1103@fed1read04>, "Jerry Bransford" wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >The first two brands I checked, BFG and Michelin, still recommends
> >> >> >> >cross-rotating their tires. They even give a cool little animation of
> >> >> >> >how to rotate tires at http://www.michelinman.com/care/tip2.html with
> >> >> >> >BFG having a similar animation.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Jerry
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >J Strickland wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Most of them do not recommend that anymore. And none of them suggest that
> >> >> >> >> not crossing them is a bad thing.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> There is nothing wrong with crossing them unless there is a specific reason
> >> >> >> >> not to, ie.: directional tires. But when there is any doubt, there is
> >> >> >> >> nothing wrong with keeping the left tires on the left side and the right
> >> >> >> >> tires on the right side. Many automakers these days suggest that rotating
> >> >> >> >> tires is not necessary at all. If one has to ask, what is the correct way to
> >> >> >> >> rotate tires, this person can be told to keep them on the same side and
> >> >> >> >> he'll get through his life just fine.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:vubtg1thi5ma6cbqlpq0n5l220kfipv041@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>Tire manufacturers recommend crossing them.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>In message <G_CdnXNmV8M0bZDeRVn-2g@ez2.net>, "J Strickland" wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>>Do not cross the tires. Keep the left tires on the left side and the right
> >> >> >> >>>>tires on the right side.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>news:68c0$430d3086$42a1cc8c$30871@FUSE.NET.. .
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>To clarify my original question I would be doing a 4 wheel rotation.
> >> >> >> >>>>>The
> >> >> >> >>>>>spare is a Wrangler ST and I would rather not have mismatched quality
> >> >> >> >>>>>tires.
> >> >> >> >>>>>http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>--
> >> >> >> >>>>>.
> >> >> >> >>>>>Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> >> >> >> >>>>>2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> >> >> >> >>>>>Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> >> >> >> >>>>>Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> >> >> >> >>>>>.
> >> >> >> >>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>>news:430D0BE5.FA42DC43@***.net...
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> That's a new one for me: http://www.fostertire.com/tcm_rttn.htm
> >> >> >> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >> >> >> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>Nathan Otis wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>I've always just rotated clockwise. I've been rotating my MTRs
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>clockwise
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>since the day I got 'em and I've got over 35K on 'em... No sign of
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>seperation.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>YMMV (HAHA!!! That's a joke)
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>n.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
#216
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Tire Rotation
My last set of 31x10.5" muds wore out perfectly even using the 'dark
ages' method.
Mike
bllsht wrote:
>
> Read an owner's manual that's not 20 years old and you'll find the Jeep
> engineers agree with me on this. You're stuck in the dark ages.
>
> In message <43203DB1.F5A54BED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >Well, I guess if you are smarter than the Jeep engineers and with a name
> >like bllsht you can get away with anything you type.
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >> In message <431EE88F.BDC345EB@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >>
> >> >Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
> >> >tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
> >> >manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
> >> >proper 'wear'.
> >> >
> >> >I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
> >> >the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
> >> >rather than the maker of the vehicle.
> >>
> >> And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
> >> manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
> >> would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
> >> you know that still buy tires?
> >>
> >> A real rocket scientist you are!
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
> >> >lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
> >> >wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
> >> >of rotating???
> >> >Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
> >> >Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
> >> >dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
> >> >'usually' means belt separation eh.
> >> >
> >> >LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
> >>
> >> Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
> >> tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
> >> properly rotating them.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >
> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> If your attention span was longer than 2 seconds, you'd understand that if tire
> >> >> manufacturers wanted your tires to wear out quickly, they wouldn't recommend
> >> >> rotating them at all. But they do.
> >> >>
> >> >> You are the one who said not to cross them because they will separate. Do you
> >> >> really think they'd recommend crossing them if it posed a risk of serious tire
> >> >> failure? Did you sleep through the Ford/Firestone debacle?
> >> >>
> >> >> Get real.
> >> >>
> >> >> In message <431DA68B.C025FBED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Umm, correct me if I am wrong here, but aren't all these folks in the
> >> >> >business of 'selling' you new tires?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Pretty hard on their bottom line if your tires don't wear out isn't
> >> >> >it.....
> >> >> >
> >> >> >LOL!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Mike
> >> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >> >
> >> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Goodyear and Bridgestone/Firestone as well.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In message <fcJPe.5162$ct5.1103@fed1read04>, "Jerry Bransford" wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >The first two brands I checked, BFG and Michelin, still recommends
> >> >> >> >cross-rotating their tires. They even give a cool little animation of
> >> >> >> >how to rotate tires at http://www.michelinman.com/care/tip2.html with
> >> >> >> >BFG having a similar animation.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Jerry
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >J Strickland wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Most of them do not recommend that anymore. And none of them suggest that
> >> >> >> >> not crossing them is a bad thing.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> There is nothing wrong with crossing them unless there is a specific reason
> >> >> >> >> not to, ie.: directional tires. But when there is any doubt, there is
> >> >> >> >> nothing wrong with keeping the left tires on the left side and the right
> >> >> >> >> tires on the right side. Many automakers these days suggest that rotating
> >> >> >> >> tires is not necessary at all. If one has to ask, what is the correct way to
> >> >> >> >> rotate tires, this person can be told to keep them on the same side and
> >> >> >> >> he'll get through his life just fine.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:vubtg1thi5ma6cbqlpq0n5l220kfipv041@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>Tire manufacturers recommend crossing them.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>In message <G_CdnXNmV8M0bZDeRVn-2g@ez2.net>, "J Strickland" wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>>Do not cross the tires. Keep the left tires on the left side and the right
> >> >> >> >>>>tires on the right side.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>news:68c0$430d3086$42a1cc8c$30871@FUSE.NET.. .
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>To clarify my original question I would be doing a 4 wheel rotation.
> >> >> >> >>>>>The
> >> >> >> >>>>>spare is a Wrangler ST and I would rather not have mismatched quality
> >> >> >> >>>>>tires.
> >> >> >> >>>>>http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>--
> >> >> >> >>>>>.
> >> >> >> >>>>>Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> >> >> >> >>>>>2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> >> >> >> >>>>>Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> >> >> >> >>>>>Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> >> >> >> >>>>>.
> >> >> >> >>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>>news:430D0BE5.FA42DC43@***.net...
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> That's a new one for me: http://www.fostertire.com/tcm_rttn.htm
> >> >> >> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >> >> >> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>Nathan Otis wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>I've always just rotated clockwise. I've been rotating my MTRs
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>clockwise
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>since the day I got 'em and I've got over 35K on 'em... No sign of
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>seperation.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>YMMV (HAHA!!! That's a joke)
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>n.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
ages' method.
Mike
bllsht wrote:
>
> Read an owner's manual that's not 20 years old and you'll find the Jeep
> engineers agree with me on this. You're stuck in the dark ages.
>
> In message <43203DB1.F5A54BED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >Well, I guess if you are smarter than the Jeep engineers and with a name
> >like bllsht you can get away with anything you type.
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >> In message <431EE88F.BDC345EB@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >>
> >> >Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
> >> >tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
> >> >manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
> >> >proper 'wear'.
> >> >
> >> >I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
> >> >the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
> >> >rather than the maker of the vehicle.
> >>
> >> And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
> >> manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
> >> would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
> >> you know that still buy tires?
> >>
> >> A real rocket scientist you are!
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
> >> >lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
> >> >wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
> >> >of rotating???
> >> >Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
> >> >Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
> >> >dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
> >> >'usually' means belt separation eh.
> >> >
> >> >LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
> >>
> >> Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
> >> tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
> >> properly rotating them.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >
> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> If your attention span was longer than 2 seconds, you'd understand that if tire
> >> >> manufacturers wanted your tires to wear out quickly, they wouldn't recommend
> >> >> rotating them at all. But they do.
> >> >>
> >> >> You are the one who said not to cross them because they will separate. Do you
> >> >> really think they'd recommend crossing them if it posed a risk of serious tire
> >> >> failure? Did you sleep through the Ford/Firestone debacle?
> >> >>
> >> >> Get real.
> >> >>
> >> >> In message <431DA68B.C025FBED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Umm, correct me if I am wrong here, but aren't all these folks in the
> >> >> >business of 'selling' you new tires?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Pretty hard on their bottom line if your tires don't wear out isn't
> >> >> >it.....
> >> >> >
> >> >> >LOL!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Mike
> >> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >> >
> >> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Goodyear and Bridgestone/Firestone as well.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In message <fcJPe.5162$ct5.1103@fed1read04>, "Jerry Bransford" wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >The first two brands I checked, BFG and Michelin, still recommends
> >> >> >> >cross-rotating their tires. They even give a cool little animation of
> >> >> >> >how to rotate tires at http://www.michelinman.com/care/tip2.html with
> >> >> >> >BFG having a similar animation.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Jerry
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >J Strickland wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Most of them do not recommend that anymore. And none of them suggest that
> >> >> >> >> not crossing them is a bad thing.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> There is nothing wrong with crossing them unless there is a specific reason
> >> >> >> >> not to, ie.: directional tires. But when there is any doubt, there is
> >> >> >> >> nothing wrong with keeping the left tires on the left side and the right
> >> >> >> >> tires on the right side. Many automakers these days suggest that rotating
> >> >> >> >> tires is not necessary at all. If one has to ask, what is the correct way to
> >> >> >> >> rotate tires, this person can be told to keep them on the same side and
> >> >> >> >> he'll get through his life just fine.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:vubtg1thi5ma6cbqlpq0n5l220kfipv041@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>Tire manufacturers recommend crossing them.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>In message <G_CdnXNmV8M0bZDeRVn-2g@ez2.net>, "J Strickland" wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>>Do not cross the tires. Keep the left tires on the left side and the right
> >> >> >> >>>>tires on the right side.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>news:68c0$430d3086$42a1cc8c$30871@FUSE.NET.. .
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>To clarify my original question I would be doing a 4 wheel rotation.
> >> >> >> >>>>>The
> >> >> >> >>>>>spare is a Wrangler ST and I would rather not have mismatched quality
> >> >> >> >>>>>tires.
> >> >> >> >>>>>http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>--
> >> >> >> >>>>>.
> >> >> >> >>>>>Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> >> >> >> >>>>>2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> >> >> >> >>>>>Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> >> >> >> >>>>>Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> >> >> >> >>>>>.
> >> >> >> >>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>>news:430D0BE5.FA42DC43@***.net...
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> That's a new one for me: http://www.fostertire.com/tcm_rttn.htm
> >> >> >> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >> >> >> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>Nathan Otis wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>I've always just rotated clockwise. I've been rotating my MTRs
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>clockwise
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>since the day I got 'em and I've got over 35K on 'em... No sign of
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>seperation.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>YMMV (HAHA!!! That's a joke)
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>n.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
#217
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Posts: n/a
Re: Tire Rotation
My last set of 31x10.5" muds wore out perfectly even using the 'dark
ages' method.
Mike
bllsht wrote:
>
> Read an owner's manual that's not 20 years old and you'll find the Jeep
> engineers agree with me on this. You're stuck in the dark ages.
>
> In message <43203DB1.F5A54BED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >Well, I guess if you are smarter than the Jeep engineers and with a name
> >like bllsht you can get away with anything you type.
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >> In message <431EE88F.BDC345EB@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >>
> >> >Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
> >> >tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
> >> >manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
> >> >proper 'wear'.
> >> >
> >> >I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
> >> >the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
> >> >rather than the maker of the vehicle.
> >>
> >> And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
> >> manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
> >> would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
> >> you know that still buy tires?
> >>
> >> A real rocket scientist you are!
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
> >> >lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
> >> >wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
> >> >of rotating???
> >> >Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
> >> >Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
> >> >dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
> >> >'usually' means belt separation eh.
> >> >
> >> >LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
> >>
> >> Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
> >> tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
> >> properly rotating them.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >
> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> If your attention span was longer than 2 seconds, you'd understand that if tire
> >> >> manufacturers wanted your tires to wear out quickly, they wouldn't recommend
> >> >> rotating them at all. But they do.
> >> >>
> >> >> You are the one who said not to cross them because they will separate. Do you
> >> >> really think they'd recommend crossing them if it posed a risk of serious tire
> >> >> failure? Did you sleep through the Ford/Firestone debacle?
> >> >>
> >> >> Get real.
> >> >>
> >> >> In message <431DA68B.C025FBED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Umm, correct me if I am wrong here, but aren't all these folks in the
> >> >> >business of 'selling' you new tires?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Pretty hard on their bottom line if your tires don't wear out isn't
> >> >> >it.....
> >> >> >
> >> >> >LOL!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Mike
> >> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >> >
> >> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Goodyear and Bridgestone/Firestone as well.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In message <fcJPe.5162$ct5.1103@fed1read04>, "Jerry Bransford" wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >The first two brands I checked, BFG and Michelin, still recommends
> >> >> >> >cross-rotating their tires. They even give a cool little animation of
> >> >> >> >how to rotate tires at http://www.michelinman.com/care/tip2.html with
> >> >> >> >BFG having a similar animation.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Jerry
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >J Strickland wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Most of them do not recommend that anymore. And none of them suggest that
> >> >> >> >> not crossing them is a bad thing.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> There is nothing wrong with crossing them unless there is a specific reason
> >> >> >> >> not to, ie.: directional tires. But when there is any doubt, there is
> >> >> >> >> nothing wrong with keeping the left tires on the left side and the right
> >> >> >> >> tires on the right side. Many automakers these days suggest that rotating
> >> >> >> >> tires is not necessary at all. If one has to ask, what is the correct way to
> >> >> >> >> rotate tires, this person can be told to keep them on the same side and
> >> >> >> >> he'll get through his life just fine.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:vubtg1thi5ma6cbqlpq0n5l220kfipv041@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>Tire manufacturers recommend crossing them.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>In message <G_CdnXNmV8M0bZDeRVn-2g@ez2.net>, "J Strickland" wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>>Do not cross the tires. Keep the left tires on the left side and the right
> >> >> >> >>>>tires on the right side.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>news:68c0$430d3086$42a1cc8c$30871@FUSE.NET.. .
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>To clarify my original question I would be doing a 4 wheel rotation.
> >> >> >> >>>>>The
> >> >> >> >>>>>spare is a Wrangler ST and I would rather not have mismatched quality
> >> >> >> >>>>>tires.
> >> >> >> >>>>>http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>--
> >> >> >> >>>>>.
> >> >> >> >>>>>Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> >> >> >> >>>>>2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> >> >> >> >>>>>Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> >> >> >> >>>>>Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> >> >> >> >>>>>.
> >> >> >> >>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>>news:430D0BE5.FA42DC43@***.net...
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> That's a new one for me: http://www.fostertire.com/tcm_rttn.htm
> >> >> >> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >> >> >> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>Nathan Otis wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>I've always just rotated clockwise. I've been rotating my MTRs
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>clockwise
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>since the day I got 'em and I've got over 35K on 'em... No sign of
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>seperation.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>YMMV (HAHA!!! That's a joke)
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>n.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
ages' method.
Mike
bllsht wrote:
>
> Read an owner's manual that's not 20 years old and you'll find the Jeep
> engineers agree with me on this. You're stuck in the dark ages.
>
> In message <43203DB1.F5A54BED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >Well, I guess if you are smarter than the Jeep engineers and with a name
> >like bllsht you can get away with anything you type.
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >> In message <431EE88F.BDC345EB@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >>
> >> >Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
> >> >tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
> >> >manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
> >> >proper 'wear'.
> >> >
> >> >I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
> >> >the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
> >> >rather than the maker of the vehicle.
> >>
> >> And I guess there are stupid people out there that would believe a tire
> >> manufacturer would knowingly advise people to rotate their tires in a way that
> >> would cause the tires to fail, possibly killing them. How many dead people do
> >> you know that still buy tires?
> >>
> >> A real rocket scientist you are!
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
> >> >lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
> >> >wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
> >> >of rotating???
> >> >Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
> >> >Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
> >> >dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
> >> >'usually' means belt separation eh.
> >> >
> >> >LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.
> >>
> >> Laugh away, dumb ----. I've been cross-rotating for years and have never had a
> >> tire problem. In fact, I get excellent mileage from a set of tires due to
> >> properly rotating them.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >
> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> If your attention span was longer than 2 seconds, you'd understand that if tire
> >> >> manufacturers wanted your tires to wear out quickly, they wouldn't recommend
> >> >> rotating them at all. But they do.
> >> >>
> >> >> You are the one who said not to cross them because they will separate. Do you
> >> >> really think they'd recommend crossing them if it posed a risk of serious tire
> >> >> failure? Did you sleep through the Ford/Firestone debacle?
> >> >>
> >> >> Get real.
> >> >>
> >> >> In message <431DA68B.C025FBED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Umm, correct me if I am wrong here, but aren't all these folks in the
> >> >> >business of 'selling' you new tires?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Pretty hard on their bottom line if your tires don't wear out isn't
> >> >> >it.....
> >> >> >
> >> >> >LOL!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Mike
> >> >> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >> >
> >> >> >bllsht wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Goodyear and Bridgestone/Firestone as well.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In message <fcJPe.5162$ct5.1103@fed1read04>, "Jerry Bransford" wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >The first two brands I checked, BFG and Michelin, still recommends
> >> >> >> >cross-rotating their tires. They even give a cool little animation of
> >> >> >> >how to rotate tires at http://www.michelinman.com/care/tip2.html with
> >> >> >> >BFG having a similar animation.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Jerry
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >J Strickland wrote:
> >> >> >> >> Most of them do not recommend that anymore. And none of them suggest that
> >> >> >> >> not crossing them is a bad thing.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> There is nothing wrong with crossing them unless there is a specific reason
> >> >> >> >> not to, ie.: directional tires. But when there is any doubt, there is
> >> >> >> >> nothing wrong with keeping the left tires on the left side and the right
> >> >> >> >> tires on the right side. Many automakers these days suggest that rotating
> >> >> >> >> tires is not necessary at all. If one has to ask, what is the correct way to
> >> >> >> >> rotate tires, this person can be told to keep them on the same side and
> >> >> >> >> he'll get through his life just fine.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news:vubtg1thi5ma6cbqlpq0n5l220kfipv041@4ax.com...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>Tire manufacturers recommend crossing them.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>In message <G_CdnXNmV8M0bZDeRVn-2g@ez2.net>, "J Strickland" wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>>Do not cross the tires. Keep the left tires on the left side and the right
> >> >> >> >>>>tires on the right side.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>news:68c0$430d3086$42a1cc8c$30871@FUSE.NET.. .
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>To clarify my original question I would be doing a 4 wheel rotation.
> >> >> >> >>>>>The
> >> >> >> >>>>>spare is a Wrangler ST and I would rather not have mismatched quality
> >> >> >> >>>>>tires.
> >> >> >> >>>>>http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>--
> >> >> >> >>>>>.
> >> >> >> >>>>>Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> >> >> >> >>>>>2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> >> >> >> >>>>>Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> >> >> >> >>>>>Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> >> >> >> >>>>>.
> >> >> >> >>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>>news:430D0BE5.FA42DC43@***.net...
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> That's a new one for me: http://www.fostertire.com/tcm_rttn.htm
> >> >> >> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >> >> >> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>Nathan Otis wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>I've always just rotated clockwise. I've been rotating my MTRs
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>clockwise
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>since the day I got 'em and I've got over 35K on 'em... No sign of
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>seperation.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>YMMV (HAHA!!! That's a joke)
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>n.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>