L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

The exception is in the last paragraph of:
http://www.fostertire.com/tcm_rttn.htm
>
> I can tell you for a fact that I turned around the best of the two
> remaining BF Goodrich A/T KO to put two new tires on the same axle, and
> had tread separation/blow out within three thousand miles. One exception
> to your reversing tires is if the rims are off set like most Real Jeeps
> are. So I will never do that again. You may continue to do that to your
> Wannabee, I don't care if you kill some one.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

The exception is in the last paragraph of:
http://www.fostertire.com/tcm_rttn.htm
>
> I can tell you for a fact that I turned around the best of the two
> remaining BF Goodrich A/T KO to put two new tires on the same axle, and
> had tread separation/blow out within three thousand miles. One exception
> to your reversing tires is if the rims are off set like most Real Jeeps
> are. So I will never do that again. You may continue to do that to your
> Wannabee, I don't care if you kill some one.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

The exception is in the last paragraph of:
http://www.fostertire.com/tcm_rttn.htm
>
> I can tell you for a fact that I turned around the best of the two
> remaining BF Goodrich A/T KO to put two new tires on the same axle, and
> had tread separation/blow out within three thousand miles. One exception
> to your reversing tires is if the rims are off set like most Real Jeeps
> are. So I will never do that again. You may continue to do that to your
> Wannabee, I don't care if you kill some one.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

liquoure

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 22:47:09 -0700, L.W.------ wrote:


>> V pna gryy lbh sbe n snpg gung V ghearq nebhaq gur orfg bs gur gjb
>> erznvavat OS Tbbqevpu N/G XB gb chg gjb arj gverf ba gur fnzr nkyr, naq
>> unq gernq frcnengvba/oybj bhg jvguva guerr gubhfnaq zvyrf. Bar rkprcgvba
>> gb lbhe erirefvat gverf vf vs gur evzf ner bss frg yvxr zbfg Erny Wrrcf
>> ner. Fb V jvyy arire qb gung ntnva. Lbh znl pbagvahr gb qb gung gb lbhe
>> Jnaanorr, V qba'g pner vs lbh xvyy fbzr bar.
>> Tbq Oyrff Nzrevpn, ßvyy B|||||||B
>> znvygb:YJUhturf3eq@nby.pbz uggc://jjj.ovyyuhturf.pbz/

efvat gverf vf vs gur evzf ner bss frg yvxr zbfg Erny Wrrcf
>> ner. Fb V jvyy arire qb gung ntnva. Lbh znl pbagvahr gb qb gung gb lbhe
>> Jnaanorr, V qba'g pner vs lbh xvyy fbzr bar.
>> Tbq Oyrff Nzrevpn, ßvyy B|||||||B
>> znvygb:YJUhturf3eq@nby.pbz uggc://jjj.ovyyuhturf.pbz/

liquoure

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 22:47:09 -0700, L.W.------ wrote:


>> V pna gryy lbh sbe n snpg gung V ghearq nebhaq gur orfg bs gur gjb
>> erznvavat OS Tbbqevpu N/G XB gb chg gjb arj gverf ba gur fnzr nkyr, naq
>> unq gernq frcnengvba/oybj bhg jvguva guerr gubhfnaq zvyrf. Bar rkprcgvba
>> gb lbhe erirefvat gverf vf vs gur evzf ner bss frg yvxr zbfg Erny Wrrcf
>> ner. Fb V jvyy arire qb gung ntnva. Lbh znl pbagvahr gb qb gung gb lbhe
>> Jnaanorr, V qba'g pner vs lbh xvyy fbzr bar.
>> Tbq Oyrff Nzrevpn, ßvyy B|||||||B
>> znvygb:YJUhturf3eq@nby.pbz uggc://jjj.ovyyuhturf.pbz/

efvat gverf vf vs gur evzf ner bss frg yvxr zbfg Erny Wrrcf
>> ner. Fb V jvyy arire qb gung ntnva. Lbh znl pbagvahr gb qb gung gb lbhe
>> Jnaanorr, V qba'g pner vs lbh xvyy fbzr bar.
>> Tbq Oyrff Nzrevpn, ßvyy B|||||||B
>> znvygb:YJUhturf3eq@nby.pbz uggc://jjj.ovyyuhturf.pbz/

liquoure

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 22:47:09 -0700, L.W.------ wrote:


>> V pna gryy lbh sbe n snpg gung V ghearq nebhaq gur orfg bs gur gjb
>> erznvavat OS Tbbqevpu N/G XB gb chg gjb arj gverf ba gur fnzr nkyr, naq
>> unq gernq frcnengvba/oybj bhg jvguva guerr gubhfnaq zvyrf. Bar rkprcgvba
>> gb lbhe erirefvat gverf vf vs gur evzf ner bss frg yvxr zbfg Erny Wrrcf
>> ner. Fb V jvyy arire qb gung ntnva. Lbh znl pbagvahr gb qb gung gb lbhe
>> Jnaanorr, V qba'g pner vs lbh xvyy fbzr bar.
>> Tbq Oyrff Nzrevpn, ßvyy B|||||||B
>> znvygb:YJUhturf3eq@nby.pbz uggc://jjj.ovyyuhturf.pbz/

efvat gverf vf vs gur evzf ner bss frg yvxr zbfg Erny Wrrcf
>> ner. Fb V jvyy arire qb gung ntnva. Lbh znl pbagvahr gb qb gung gb lbhe
>> Jnaanorr, V qba'g pner vs lbh xvyy fbzr bar.
>> Tbq Oyrff Nzrevpn, ßvyy B|||||||B
>> znvygb:YJUhturf3eq@nby.pbz uggc://jjj.ovyyuhturf.pbz/

liquoure

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 22:47:09 -0700, L.W.------ wrote:


>> V pna gryy lbh sbe n snpg gung V ghearq nebhaq gur orfg bs gur gjb
>> erznvavat OS Tbbqevpu N/G XB gb chg gjb arj gverf ba gur fnzr nkyr, naq
>> unq gernq frcnengvba/oybj bhg jvguva guerr gubhfnaq zvyrf. Bar rkprcgvba
>> gb lbhe erirefvat gverf vf vs gur evzf ner bss frg yvxr zbfg Erny Wrrcf
>> ner. Fb V jvyy arire qb gung ntnva. Lbh znl pbagvahr gb qb gung gb lbhe
>> Jnaanorr, V qba'g pner vs lbh xvyy fbzr bar.
>> Tbq Oyrff Nzrevpn, ßvyy B|||||||B
>> znvygb:YJUhturf3eq@nby.pbz uggc://jjj.ovyyuhturf.pbz/

efvat gverf vf vs gur evzf ner bss frg yvxr zbfg Erny Wrrcf
>> ner. Fb V jvyy arire qb gung ntnva. Lbh znl pbagvahr gb qb gung gb lbhe
>> Jnaanorr, V qba'g pner vs lbh xvyy fbzr bar.
>> Tbq Oyrff Nzrevpn, ßvyy B|||||||B
>> znvygb:YJUhturf3eq@nby.pbz uggc://jjj.ovyyuhturf.pbz/

Mike Romain

Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
proper 'wear'.

I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
rather than the maker of the vehicle.

Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
of rotating???
Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
'usually' means belt separation eh.

LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.

Mike

bllsht wrote:
>
> If your attention span was longer than 2 seconds, you'd understand that if tire
> manufacturers wanted your tires to wear out quickly, they wouldn't recommend
> rotating them at all. But they do.
>
> You are the one who said not to cross them because they will separate. Do you
> really think they'd recommend crossing them if it posed a risk of serious tire
> failure? Did you sleep through the Ford/Firestone debacle?
>
> Get real.
>
> In message <431DA68B.C025FBED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >Umm, correct me if I am wrong here, but aren't all these folks in the
> >business of 'selling' you new tires?
> >
> >Pretty hard on their bottom line if your tires don't wear out isn't
> >it.....
> >
> >LOL!
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >> Goodyear and Bridgestone/Firestone as well.
> >>
> >> In message <fcJPe.5162$ct5.1103@fed1read04>, "Jerry Bransford" wrote:
> >>
> >> >The first two brands I checked, BFG and Michelin, still recommends
> >> >cross-rotating their tires. They even give a cool little animation of
> >> >how to rotate tires at http://www.michelinman.com/care/tip2.html with
> >> >BFG having a similar animation.
> >> >
> >> >Jerry
> >> >
> >> >J Strickland wrote:
> >> >> Most of them do not recommend that anymore. And none of them suggest that
> >> >> not crossing them is a bad thing.
> >> >>
> >> >> There is nothing wrong with crossing them unless there is a specific reason
> >> >> not to, ie.: directional tires. But when there is any doubt, there is
> >> >> nothing wrong with keeping the left tires on the left side and the right
> >> >> tires on the right side. Many automakers these days suggest that rotating
> >> >> tires is not necessary at all. If one has to ask, what is the correct way to
> >> >> rotate tires, this person can be told to keep them on the same side and
> >> >> he'll get through his life just fine.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:vubtg1thi5ma6cbqlpq0n5l220kfipv041@4ax.com...
> >> >>
> >> >>>Tire manufacturers recommend crossing them.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>In message <G_CdnXNmV8M0bZDeRVn-2g@ez2.net>, "J Strickland" wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>Do not cross the tires. Keep the left tires on the left side and the right
> >> >>>>tires on the right side.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> >>>>news:68c0$430d3086$42a1cc8c$30871@FUSE.NET.. .
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>To clarify my original question I would be doing a 4 wheel rotation.
> >> >>>>>The
> >> >>>>>spare is a Wrangler ST and I would rather not have mismatched quality
> >> >>>>>tires.
> >> >>>>>http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>--
> >> >>>>>.
> >> >>>>>Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> >> >>>>>2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> >> >>>>>Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> >> >>>>>Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> >> >>>>>.
> >> >>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>news:430D0BE5.FA42DC43@***.net...
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> That's a new one for me: http://www.fostertire.com/tcm_rttn.htm
> >> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>Nathan Otis wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>I've always just rotated clockwise. I've been rotating my MTRs
> >> >>>>>>>clockwise
> >> >>>>>>>since the day I got 'em and I've got over 35K on 'em... No sign of
> >> >>>>>>>seperation.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>YMMV (HAHA!!! That's a joke)
> >> >>>>>>>n.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>
> >> >>

Mike Romain

Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
proper 'wear'.

I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
rather than the maker of the vehicle.

Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
of rotating???
Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
'usually' means belt separation eh.

LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.

Mike

bllsht wrote:
>
> If your attention span was longer than 2 seconds, you'd understand that if tire
> manufacturers wanted your tires to wear out quickly, they wouldn't recommend
> rotating them at all. But they do.
>
> You are the one who said not to cross them because they will separate. Do you
> really think they'd recommend crossing them if it posed a risk of serious tire
> failure? Did you sleep through the Ford/Firestone debacle?
>
> Get real.
>
> In message <431DA68B.C025FBED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >Umm, correct me if I am wrong here, but aren't all these folks in the
> >business of 'selling' you new tires?
> >
> >Pretty hard on their bottom line if your tires don't wear out isn't
> >it.....
> >
> >LOL!
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >> Goodyear and Bridgestone/Firestone as well.
> >>
> >> In message <fcJPe.5162$ct5.1103@fed1read04>, "Jerry Bransford" wrote:
> >>
> >> >The first two brands I checked, BFG and Michelin, still recommends
> >> >cross-rotating their tires. They even give a cool little animation of
> >> >how to rotate tires at http://www.michelinman.com/care/tip2.html with
> >> >BFG having a similar animation.
> >> >
> >> >Jerry
> >> >
> >> >J Strickland wrote:
> >> >> Most of them do not recommend that anymore. And none of them suggest that
> >> >> not crossing them is a bad thing.
> >> >>
> >> >> There is nothing wrong with crossing them unless there is a specific reason
> >> >> not to, ie.: directional tires. But when there is any doubt, there is
> >> >> nothing wrong with keeping the left tires on the left side and the right
> >> >> tires on the right side. Many automakers these days suggest that rotating
> >> >> tires is not necessary at all. If one has to ask, what is the correct way to
> >> >> rotate tires, this person can be told to keep them on the same side and
> >> >> he'll get through his life just fine.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:vubtg1thi5ma6cbqlpq0n5l220kfipv041@4ax.com...
> >> >>
> >> >>>Tire manufacturers recommend crossing them.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>In message <G_CdnXNmV8M0bZDeRVn-2g@ez2.net>, "J Strickland" wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>Do not cross the tires. Keep the left tires on the left side and the right
> >> >>>>tires on the right side.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> >>>>news:68c0$430d3086$42a1cc8c$30871@FUSE.NET.. .
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>To clarify my original question I would be doing a 4 wheel rotation.
> >> >>>>>The
> >> >>>>>spare is a Wrangler ST and I would rather not have mismatched quality
> >> >>>>>tires.
> >> >>>>>http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>--
> >> >>>>>.
> >> >>>>>Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> >> >>>>>2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> >> >>>>>Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> >> >>>>>Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> >> >>>>>.
> >> >>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>news:430D0BE5.FA42DC43@***.net...
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> That's a new one for me: http://www.fostertire.com/tcm_rttn.htm
> >> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>Nathan Otis wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>I've always just rotated clockwise. I've been rotating my MTRs
> >> >>>>>>>clockwise
> >> >>>>>>>since the day I got 'em and I've got over 35K on 'em... No sign of
> >> >>>>>>>seperation.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>YMMV (HAHA!!! That's a joke)
> >> >>>>>>>n.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>
> >> >>

Mike Romain

Well, 'Both' of my owners manuals for 'both' of my Jeeps say to keep the
tires on one side and do not cross them so 'I' will do what the owners
manual says, not the freaking tire maker who has his own reasons for umm
proper 'wear'.

I guess there are stupid people out there that would take the word of
the tire 'seller' on the 'best' way to make the tires last the longest
rather than the maker of the vehicle.

Oh, there also have been a pile of Jeepers in the last few years and
lately that have posted about out of round tires causing the 'death
wobble' and other vibrations. Wanna bet they used the tire makers way
of rotating???
Our Cherokee even 'came' that way 6 years ago with an almost new set of
Hercules tires on it that were freshly rotated. 6 months later, one
dead tire with a tread separation or out of round issue. Out of round
'usually' means belt separation eh.

LOL! Man you are good for a chuckle now and then.

Mike

bllsht wrote:
>
> If your attention span was longer than 2 seconds, you'd understand that if tire
> manufacturers wanted your tires to wear out quickly, they wouldn't recommend
> rotating them at all. But they do.
>
> You are the one who said not to cross them because they will separate. Do you
> really think they'd recommend crossing them if it posed a risk of serious tire
> failure? Did you sleep through the Ford/Firestone debacle?
>
> Get real.
>
> In message <431DA68B.C025FBED@sympatico.ca>, "Mike Romain" wrote:
>
> >Umm, correct me if I am wrong here, but aren't all these folks in the
> >business of 'selling' you new tires?
> >
> >Pretty hard on their bottom line if your tires don't wear out isn't
> >it.....
> >
> >LOL!
> >
> >Mike
> >86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> >bllsht wrote:
> >>
> >> Goodyear and Bridgestone/Firestone as well.
> >>
> >> In message <fcJPe.5162$ct5.1103@fed1read04>, "Jerry Bransford" wrote:
> >>
> >> >The first two brands I checked, BFG and Michelin, still recommends
> >> >cross-rotating their tires. They even give a cool little animation of
> >> >how to rotate tires at http://www.michelinman.com/care/tip2.html with
> >> >BFG having a similar animation.
> >> >
> >> >Jerry
> >> >
> >> >J Strickland wrote:
> >> >> Most of them do not recommend that anymore. And none of them suggest that
> >> >> not crossing them is a bad thing.
> >> >>
> >> >> There is nothing wrong with crossing them unless there is a specific reason
> >> >> not to, ie.: directional tires. But when there is any doubt, there is
> >> >> nothing wrong with keeping the left tires on the left side and the right
> >> >> tires on the right side. Many automakers these days suggest that rotating
> >> >> tires is not necessary at all. If one has to ask, what is the correct way to
> >> >> rotate tires, this person can be told to keep them on the same side and
> >> >> he'll get through his life just fine.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:vubtg1thi5ma6cbqlpq0n5l220kfipv041@4ax.com...
> >> >>
> >> >>>Tire manufacturers recommend crossing them.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>In message <G_CdnXNmV8M0bZDeRVn-2g@ez2.net>, "J Strickland" wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>Do not cross the tires. Keep the left tires on the left side and the right
> >> >>>>tires on the right side.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >> >>>>news:68c0$430d3086$42a1cc8c$30871@FUSE.NET.. .
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>To clarify my original question I would be doing a 4 wheel rotation.
> >> >>>>>The
> >> >>>>>spare is a Wrangler ST and I would rather not have mismatched quality
> >> >>>>>tires.
> >> >>>>>http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>--
> >> >>>>>.
> >> >>>>>Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> >> >>>>>2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> >> >>>>>Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
> >> >>>>>Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> >> >>>>>.
> >> >>>>>"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>news:430D0BE5.FA42DC43@***.net...
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> That's a new one for me: http://www.fostertire.com/tcm_rttn.htm
> >> >>>>>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >> >>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>Nathan Otis wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>I've always just rotated clockwise. I've been rotating my MTRs
> >> >>>>>>>clockwise
> >> >>>>>>>since the day I got 'em and I've got over 35K on 'em... No sign of
> >> >>>>>>>seperation.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>YMMV (HAHA!!! That's a joke)
> >> >>>>>>>n.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>
> >> >>