Dave Milne

Unfortunately that's not modelling the situation correctly as the foot
doesn't move.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F5F3136.3285D069@sympatico.ca...
: Umm Dave, look again at my string example.
:
: If your left hand with the end of the string line is the tree or any
: other 'fixed object' like a tree, then when you loop the string around
: your foot (pulley on stuck vehicle) and pull 1' with your right hand
: (the winch), your foot only moves 6".
:
: Mike
:
: Dave Milne wrote:
: >
: > look at where the cable ends, and don't be so hasty !
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in
message
: > news:0Zv7b.7820$cQ1.2245745@kent.svc.tds.net...
: > : go back and re-study Eng 101... you must have been pissed that day.
: > :
: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : news:uE47b.4464$D%3.42160414@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > No it wouldn't !! The snatchblock simply routes the pulley round 90
: > : degrees.
: > : > It is a 1 for 1 pull.
: > : >
: > : > --
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > : > news:3F5C8309.71F0293D@sympatico.ca...
: > : > : I just read the original again:
: > : > :
: > : > : --------------
: > : > :
: > : > : "The video featured configuration was this:
: > : > :
: > : > : truck [cableStart] -----> [ snatchblock vehicle] -----> [ tree,
: > : > : cableEnd]"
: > : > :
: > : > : --------------
: > : > :
: > : > : That would indeed be a 2:1 configuration.
: > : > :
: > : > : Mike
: > : > :
: > : > : "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote:
: > : > : >
: > : > : > it's a 2:1 ratio, since the cable is hooked back on the driving
: > force
: > : > : > (truck) the ****** block is not a simple re-vector of the force,
: > since
: > : > it is
: > : > : > going back to the truck. If the cable went though the block,
then to
: > : > another
: > : > : > tree it would be acting as a force vectoring point. Then, and
only
: > : then
: > : > : > would it be a 1:1 ratio.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > : > : > news:3F5B99AC.8EE60474@sympatico.ca...
: > : > : > > Huh???
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > The first ****** block is just an angle changer, you can have
: > twenty
: > : > of
: > : > : > > them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on itself,
the
: > : 20
: > : > : > > blocks will still be 1:1.
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > Mike
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
: > : > : > > >
: > : > : > > > The second ****** block would be 4:1
: > : > : > > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
: > : > : > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: > : > : > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
: > : > : > > >
: > : > : > > > Mike Romain wrote:
: > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > > > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle
: > with
: > : > the
: > : > : > line
: > : > : > > > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
: > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > > > > Think block and tackle....
: > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > > > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift
: > : easily,
: > : > but
: > : > : > > > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the
circuit,
: > not
: > : > just
: > : > : > an
: > : > : > > > > angle changer.
: > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > > > > Mike
: > : > : > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
'00
: > : > : > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > :

Dave Milne

Winches scare the bajeezus out of me ! I don't want to be the cheese to the
winches cheese-knife :-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:KuJ7b.8149$cQ1.2321319@kent.svc.tds.net...
: I see that, I was assuming (I know, a mistake all the time) that it was a
: straight line self recovery, not some strange multivehicle snake pit of
: cables. Sorry.
:
: (so far, the posts I have seen have done well to prove there are good many
: ways to hurt yourself with a winch... And that is about the only common
: "thread" in the thread.)
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:YZz7b.5931$b43.55126213@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > look at where the cable ends, and don't be so hasty !
: >
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in
message
: > news:0Zv7b.7820$cQ1.2245745@kent.svc.tds.net...
: > : go back and re-study Eng 101... you must have been pissed that day.
: > :
: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : news:uE47b.4464$D%3.42160414@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > No it wouldn't !! The snatchblock simply routes the pulley round 90
: > : degrees.
: > : > It is a 1 for 1 pull.
: > : >
: > : > --
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > : > news:3F5C8309.71F0293D@sympatico.ca...
: > : > : I just read the original again:
: > : > :
: > : > : --------------
: > : > :
: > : > : "The video featured configuration was this:
: > : > :
: > : > : truck [cableStart] -----> [ snatchblock vehicle] -----> [ tree,
: > : > : cableEnd]"
: > : > :
: > : > : --------------
: > : > :
: > : > : That would indeed be a 2:1 configuration.
: > : > :
: > : > : Mike
: > : > :
: > : > : "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote:
: > : > : >
: > : > : > it's a 2:1 ratio, since the cable is hooked back on the driving
: > force
: > : > : > (truck) the ****** block is not a simple re-vector of the force,
: > since
: > : > it is
: > : > : > going back to the truck. If the cable went though the block,
then
: to
: > : > another
: > : > : > tree it would be acting as a force vectoring point. Then, and
only
: > : then
: > : > : > would it be a 1:1 ratio.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > : > : > news:3F5B99AC.8EE60474@sympatico.ca...
: > : > : > > Huh???
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > The first ****** block is just an angle changer, you can have
: > twenty
: > : > of
: > : > : > > them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on itself,
: the
: > : 20
: > : > : > > blocks will still be 1:1.
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > Mike
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
: > : > : > > >
: > : > : > > > The second ****** block would be 4:1
: > : > : > > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
: > : > : > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: > : > : > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
: > : > : > > >
: > : > : > > > Mike Romain wrote:
: > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > > > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle
: > with
: > : > the
: > : > : > line
: > : > : > > > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
: > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > > > > Think block and tackle....
: > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > > > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift
: > : easily,
: > : > but
: > : > : > > > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the
circuit,
: > not
: > : > just
: > : > : > an
: > : > : > > > > angle changer.
: > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > > > > Mike
: > : > : > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
: '00
: > : > : > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
:

Dave Milne

Winches scare the bajeezus out of me ! I don't want to be the cheese to the
winches cheese-knife :-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:KuJ7b.8149$cQ1.2321319@kent.svc.tds.net...
: I see that, I was assuming (I know, a mistake all the time) that it was a
: straight line self recovery, not some strange multivehicle snake pit of
: cables. Sorry.
:
: (so far, the posts I have seen have done well to prove there are good many
: ways to hurt yourself with a winch... And that is about the only common
: "thread" in the thread.)
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:YZz7b.5931$b43.55126213@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > look at where the cable ends, and don't be so hasty !
: >
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in
message
: > news:0Zv7b.7820$cQ1.2245745@kent.svc.tds.net...
: > : go back and re-study Eng 101... you must have been pissed that day.
: > :
: > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : news:uE47b.4464$D%3.42160414@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > No it wouldn't !! The snatchblock simply routes the pulley round 90
: > : degrees.
: > : > It is a 1 for 1 pull.
: > : >
: > : > --
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > : > news:3F5C8309.71F0293D@sympatico.ca...
: > : > : I just read the original again:
: > : > :
: > : > : --------------
: > : > :
: > : > : "The video featured configuration was this:
: > : > :
: > : > : truck [cableStart] -----> [ snatchblock vehicle] -----> [ tree,
: > : > : cableEnd]"
: > : > :
: > : > : --------------
: > : > :
: > : > : That would indeed be a 2:1 configuration.
: > : > :
: > : > : Mike
: > : > :
: > : > : "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote:
: > : > : >
: > : > : > it's a 2:1 ratio, since the cable is hooked back on the driving
: > force
: > : > : > (truck) the ****** block is not a simple re-vector of the force,
: > since
: > : > it is
: > : > : > going back to the truck. If the cable went though the block,
then
: to
: > : > another
: > : > : > tree it would be acting as a force vectoring point. Then, and
only
: > : then
: > : > : > would it be a 1:1 ratio.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > : > : > news:3F5B99AC.8EE60474@sympatico.ca...
: > : > : > > Huh???
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > The first ****** block is just an angle changer, you can have
: > twenty
: > : > of
: > : > : > > them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on itself,
: the
: > : 20
: > : > : > > blocks will still be 1:1.
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > Mike
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
: > : > : > > >
: > : > : > > > The second ****** block would be 4:1
: > : > : > > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
: > : > : > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: > : > : > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
: > : > : > > >
: > : > : > > > Mike Romain wrote:
: > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > > > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle
: > with
: > : > the
: > : > : > line
: > : > : > > > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
: > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > > > > Think block and tackle....
: > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > > > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift
: > : easily,
: > : > but
: > : > : > > > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the
circuit,
: > not
: > : > just
: > : > : > an
: > : > : > > > > angle changer.
: > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > > > > Mike
: > : > : > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
: '00
: > : > : > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
:

Mike Romain

Well, 'let' you freaking foot (stuck vehicle) move then. If it don't
move, that stuck vehicle in the swamp ain't moving either...
;-)

Mike

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Unfortunately that's not modelling the situation correctly as the foot
> doesn't move.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F5F3136.3285D069@sympatico.ca...
> : Umm Dave, look again at my string example.
> :
> : If your left hand with the end of the string line is the tree or any
> : other 'fixed object' like a tree, then when you loop the string around
> : your foot (pulley on stuck vehicle) and pull 1' with your right hand
> : (the winch), your foot only moves 6".
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : Dave Milne wrote:
> : >
> : > look at where the cable ends, and don't be so hasty !
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in
> message
> : > news:0Zv7b.7820$cQ1.2245745@kent.svc.tds.net...
> : > : go back and re-study Eng 101... you must have been pissed that day.
> : > :
> : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : > : news:uE47b.4464$D%3.42160414@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > : > No it wouldn't !! The snatchblock simply routes the pulley round 90
> : > : degrees.
> : > : > It is a 1 for 1 pull.
> : > : >
> : > : > --
> : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : > : >
> : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > : > news:3F5C8309.71F0293D@sympatico.ca...
> : > : > : I just read the original again:
> : > : > :
> : > : > : --------------
> : > : > :
> : > : > : "The video featured configuration was this:
> : > : > :
> : > : > : truck [cableStart] -----> [ snatchblock vehicle] -----> [ tree,
> : > : > : cableEnd]"
> : > : > :
> : > : > : --------------
> : > : > :
> : > : > : That would indeed be a 2:1 configuration.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Mike
> : > : > :
> : > : > : "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote:
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > it's a 2:1 ratio, since the cable is hooked back on the driving
> : > force
> : > : > : > (truck) the ****** block is not a simple re-vector of the force,
> : > since
> : > : > it is
> : > : > : > going back to the truck. If the cable went though the block,
> then to
> : > : > another
> : > : > : > tree it would be acting as a force vectoring point. Then, and
> only
> : > : then
> : > : > : > would it be a 1:1 ratio.
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > : > : > news:3F5B99AC.8EE60474@sympatico.ca...
> : > : > : > > Huh???
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > > The first ****** block is just an angle changer, you can have
> : > twenty
> : > : > of
> : > : > : > > them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on itself,
> the
> : > : 20
> : > : > : > > blocks will still be 1:1.
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > > Mike
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> : > : > : > > >
> : > : > : > > > The second ****** block would be 4:1
> : > : > : > > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
> : > : > : > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > : > : > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : > : > : > > >
> : > : > : > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> : > : > : > > > >
> : > : > : > > > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle
> : > with
> : > : > the
> : > : > : > line
> : > : > : > > > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
> : > : > : > > > >
> : > : > : > > > > Think block and tackle....
> : > : > : > > > >
> : > : > : > > > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift
> : > : easily,
> : > : > but
> : > : > : > > > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the
> circuit,
> : > not
> : > : > just
> : > : > : > an
> : > : > : > > > > angle changer.
> : > : > : > > > >
> : > : > : > > > > Mike
> : > : > : > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> : > : > : > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > :

Mike Romain

Well, 'let' you freaking foot (stuck vehicle) move then. If it don't
move, that stuck vehicle in the swamp ain't moving either...
;-)

Mike

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> Unfortunately that's not modelling the situation correctly as the foot
> doesn't move.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F5F3136.3285D069@sympatico.ca...
> : Umm Dave, look again at my string example.
> :
> : If your left hand with the end of the string line is the tree or any
> : other 'fixed object' like a tree, then when you loop the string around
> : your foot (pulley on stuck vehicle) and pull 1' with your right hand
> : (the winch), your foot only moves 6".
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : Dave Milne wrote:
> : >
> : > look at where the cable ends, and don't be so hasty !
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in
> message
> : > news:0Zv7b.7820$cQ1.2245745@kent.svc.tds.net...
> : > : go back and re-study Eng 101... you must have been pissed that day.
> : > :
> : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : > : news:uE47b.4464$D%3.42160414@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > : > No it wouldn't !! The snatchblock simply routes the pulley round 90
> : > : degrees.
> : > : > It is a 1 for 1 pull.
> : > : >
> : > : > --
> : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : > : >
> : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > : > news:3F5C8309.71F0293D@sympatico.ca...
> : > : > : I just read the original again:
> : > : > :
> : > : > : --------------
> : > : > :
> : > : > : "The video featured configuration was this:
> : > : > :
> : > : > : truck [cableStart] -----> [ snatchblock vehicle] -----> [ tree,
> : > : > : cableEnd]"
> : > : > :
> : > : > : --------------
> : > : > :
> : > : > : That would indeed be a 2:1 configuration.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Mike
> : > : > :
> : > : > : "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote:
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > it's a 2:1 ratio, since the cable is hooked back on the driving
> : > force
> : > : > : > (truck) the ****** block is not a simple re-vector of the force,
> : > since
> : > : > it is
> : > : > : > going back to the truck. If the cable went though the block,
> then to
> : > : > another
> : > : > : > tree it would be acting as a force vectoring point. Then, and
> only
> : > : then
> : > : > : > would it be a 1:1 ratio.
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > : > : > news:3F5B99AC.8EE60474@sympatico.ca...
> : > : > : > > Huh???
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > > The first ****** block is just an angle changer, you can have
> : > twenty
> : > : > of
> : > : > : > > them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on itself,
> the
> : > : 20
> : > : > : > > blocks will still be 1:1.
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > > Mike
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> : > : > : > > >
> : > : > : > > > The second ****** block would be 4:1
> : > : > : > > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
> : > : > : > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > : > : > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : > : > : > > >
> : > : > : > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> : > : > : > > > >
> : > : > : > > > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle
> : > with
> : > : > the
> : > : > : > line
> : > : > : > > > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
> : > : > : > > > >
> : > : > : > > > > Think block and tackle....
> : > : > : > > > >
> : > : > : > > > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift
> : > : easily,
> : > : > but
> : > : > : > > > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the
> circuit,
> : > not
> : > : > just
> : > : > : > an
> : > : > : > > > > angle changer.
> : > : > : > > > >
> : > : > : > > > > Mike
> : > : > : > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> : > : > : > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > :
> : > :

Dave Milne

nah, the right hand is the stuck vehicle in the example.
I really don't see the benefit of this "technique" ; the tree seems
irrelevant.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F5F6C0B.AFDF764B@sympatico.ca...
: Well, 'let' you freaking foot (stuck vehicle) move then. If it don't
: move, that stuck vehicle in the swamp ain't moving either...
: ;-)
:
: Mike
:
: Dave Milne wrote:
: >
: > Unfortunately that's not modelling the situation correctly as the foot
: > doesn't move.
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > news:3F5F3136.3285D069@sympatico.ca...
: > : Umm Dave, look again at my string example.
: > :
: > : If your left hand with the end of the string line is the tree or any
: > : other 'fixed object' like a tree, then when you loop the string around
: > : your foot (pulley on stuck vehicle) and pull 1' with your right hand
: > : (the winch), your foot only moves 6".
: > :
: > : Mike
: > :
: > : Dave Milne wrote:
: > : >
: > : > look at where the cable ends, and don't be so hasty !
: > : >
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in
: > message
: > : > news:0Zv7b.7820$cQ1.2245745@kent.svc.tds.net...
: > : > : go back and re-study Eng 101... you must have been pissed that
day.
: > : > :
: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : > : news:uE47b.4464$D%3.42160414@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > : > No it wouldn't !! The snatchblock simply routes the pulley round
90
: > : > : degrees.
: > : > : > It is a 1 for 1 pull.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > --
: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > : > : > news:3F5C8309.71F0293D@sympatico.ca...
: > : > : > : I just read the original again:
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : --------------
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : "The video featured configuration was this:
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : truck [cableStart] -----> [ snatchblock vehicle] -----> [
tree,
: > : > : > : cableEnd]"
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : --------------
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : That would indeed be a 2:1 configuration.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Mike
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote:
: > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > it's a 2:1 ratio, since the cable is hooked back on the
driving
: > : > force
: > : > : > : > (truck) the ****** block is not a simple re-vector of the
force,
: > : > since
: > : > : > it is
: > : > : > : > going back to the truck. If the cable went though the block,
: > then to
: > : > : > another
: > : > : > : > tree it would be acting as a force vectoring point. Then,
and
: > only
: > : > : then
: > : > : > : > would it be a 1:1 ratio.
: > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > : > : > : > news:3F5B99AC.8EE60474@sympatico.ca...
: > : > : > : > > Huh???
: > : > : > : > >
: > : > : > : > > The first ****** block is just an angle changer, you can
have
: > : > twenty
: > : > : > of
: > : > : > : > > them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on
itself,
: > the
: > : > : 20
: > : > : > : > > blocks will still be 1:1.
: > : > : > : > >
: > : > : > : > > Mike
: > : > : > : > >
: > : > : > : > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
: > : > : > : > > >
: > : > : > : > > > The second ****** block would be 4:1
: > : > : > : > > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
: > : > : > : > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: > : > : > : > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
: > : > : > : > > >
: > : > : > : > > > Mike Romain wrote:
: > : > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > : > > > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered
vehicle
: > : > with
: > : > : > the
: > : > : > : > line
: > : > : > : > > > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1
ratio.
: > : > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > : > > > > Think block and tackle....
: > : > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > : > > > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can
lift
: > : > : easily,
: > : > : > but
: > : > : > : > > > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the
: > circuit,
: > : > not
: > : > : > just
: > : > : > : > an
: > : > : > : > > > > angle changer.
: > : > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > : > > > > Mike
: > : > : > : > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail
in
: > '00
: > : > : > : > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
: > : > : >
: > : > : >
: > : > :
: > : > :

Dave Milne

nah, the right hand is the stuck vehicle in the example.
I really don't see the benefit of this "technique" ; the tree seems
irrelevant.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F5F6C0B.AFDF764B@sympatico.ca...
: Well, 'let' you freaking foot (stuck vehicle) move then. If it don't
: move, that stuck vehicle in the swamp ain't moving either...
: ;-)
:
: Mike
:
: Dave Milne wrote:
: >
: > Unfortunately that's not modelling the situation correctly as the foot
: > doesn't move.
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > news:3F5F3136.3285D069@sympatico.ca...
: > : Umm Dave, look again at my string example.
: > :
: > : If your left hand with the end of the string line is the tree or any
: > : other 'fixed object' like a tree, then when you loop the string around
: > : your foot (pulley on stuck vehicle) and pull 1' with your right hand
: > : (the winch), your foot only moves 6".
: > :
: > : Mike
: > :
: > : Dave Milne wrote:
: > : >
: > : > look at where the cable ends, and don't be so hasty !
: > : >
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in
: > message
: > : > news:0Zv7b.7820$cQ1.2245745@kent.svc.tds.net...
: > : > : go back and re-study Eng 101... you must have been pissed that
day.
: > : > :
: > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: > : > : news:uE47b.4464$D%3.42160414@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > : > : > No it wouldn't !! The snatchblock simply routes the pulley round
90
: > : > : degrees.
: > : > : > It is a 1 for 1 pull.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > --
: > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > : > : > news:3F5C8309.71F0293D@sympatico.ca...
: > : > : > : I just read the original again:
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : --------------
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : "The video featured configuration was this:
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : truck [cableStart] -----> [ snatchblock vehicle] -----> [
tree,
: > : > : > : cableEnd]"
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : --------------
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : That would indeed be a 2:1 configuration.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Mike
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote:
: > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > it's a 2:1 ratio, since the cable is hooked back on the
driving
: > : > force
: > : > : > : > (truck) the ****** block is not a simple re-vector of the
force,
: > : > since
: > : > : > it is
: > : > : > : > going back to the truck. If the cable went though the block,
: > then to
: > : > : > another
: > : > : > : > tree it would be acting as a force vectoring point. Then,
and
: > only
: > : > : then
: > : > : > : > would it be a 1:1 ratio.
: > : > : > : >
: > : > : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > : > : > : > news:3F5B99AC.8EE60474@sympatico.ca...
: > : > : > : > > Huh???
: > : > : > : > >
: > : > : > : > > The first ****** block is just an angle changer, you can
have
: > : > twenty
: > : > : > of
: > : > : > : > > them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on
itself,
: > the
: > : > : 20
: > : > : > : > > blocks will still be 1:1.
: > : > : > : > >
: > : > : > : > > Mike
: > : > : > : > >
: > : > : > : > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
: > : > : > : > > >
: > : > : > : > > > The second ****** block would be 4:1
: > : > : > : > > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
: > : > : > : > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: > : > : > : > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
: > : > : > : > > >
: > : > : > : > > > Mike Romain wrote:
: > : > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > : > > > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered
vehicle
: > : > with
: > : > : > the
: > : > : > : > line
: > : > : > : > > > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1
ratio.
: > : > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > : > > > > Think block and tackle....
: > : > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > : > > > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can
lift
: > : > : easily,
: > : > : > but
: > : > : > : > > > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the
: > circuit,
: > : > not
: > : > : > just
: > : > : > : > an
: > : > : > : > > > > angle changer.
: > : > : > : > > > >
: > : > : > : > > > > Mike
: > : > : > : > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail
in
: > '00
: > : > : > : > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
: > : > : >
: > : > : >
: > : > :
: > : > :

Mike Romain

Ahhh... Now I understand!

The stuck vehicle was the foot in the example I was referring to....

See:

"The video featured configuration was this:

truck [cableStart] -----> [ snatchblock vehicle] -----> [ tree,
cableEnd]"

The truck with the cable start was the winch or your right hand, the
tree, cable end is your left hand, the snatchblock vehicle is you foot.

The only advantage for this would be to pull the stuck vehicle out at a
different angle than the tow vehicle could line up to with a pull
increase of somewhere between a 2:1 and a 1.4 ratio.

Much easier to run the cable to the tree and then to the vehicle which
is a 1:1 but even then maybe that tree wasn't in the right place to get
the vehicle out safe, so they split the angle difference of the pull.

Mike


Dave Milne wrote:
>
> nah, the right hand is the stuck vehicle in the example.
> I really don't see the benefit of this "technique" ; the tree seems
> irrelevant.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F5F6C0B.AFDF764B@sympatico.ca...
> : Well, 'let' you freaking foot (stuck vehicle) move then. If it don't
> : move, that stuck vehicle in the swamp ain't moving either...
> : ;-)
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : Dave Milne wrote:
> : >
> : > Unfortunately that's not modelling the situation correctly as the foot
> : > doesn't move.
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:3F5F3136.3285D069@sympatico.ca...
> : > : Umm Dave, look again at my string example.
> : > :
> : > : If your left hand with the end of the string line is the tree or any
> : > : other 'fixed object' like a tree, then when you loop the string around
> : > : your foot (pulley on stuck vehicle) and pull 1' with your right hand
> : > : (the winch), your foot only moves 6".
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > :
> : > : Dave Milne wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > look at where the cable ends, and don't be so hasty !
> : > : >
> : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : > : >
> : > : > "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in
> : > message
> : > : > news:0Zv7b.7820$cQ1.2245745@kent.svc.tds.net...
> : > : > : go back and re-study Eng 101... you must have been pissed that
> day.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : > : > : news:uE47b.4464$D%3.42160414@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > : > : > No it wouldn't !! The snatchblock simply routes the pulley round
> 90
> : > : > : degrees.
> : > : > : > It is a 1 for 1 pull.
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > --
> : > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > : > : > news:3F5C8309.71F0293D@sympatico.ca...
> : > : > : > : I just read the original again:
> : > : > : > :
> : > : > : > : --------------
> : > : > : > :
> : > : > : > : "The video featured configuration was this:
> : > : > : > :
> : > : > : > : truck [cableStart] -----> [ snatchblock vehicle] -----> [
> tree,
> : > : > : > : cableEnd]"
> : > : > : > :
> : > : > : > : --------------
> : > : > : > :
> : > : > : > : That would indeed be a 2:1 configuration.
> : > : > : > :
> : > : > : > : Mike
> : > : > : > :
> : > : > : > : "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote:
> : > : > : > : >
> : > : > : > : > it's a 2:1 ratio, since the cable is hooked back on the
> driving
> : > : > force
> : > : > : > : > (truck) the ****** block is not a simple re-vector of the
> force,
> : > : > since
> : > : > : > it is
> : > : > : > : > going back to the truck. If the cable went though the block,
> : > then to
> : > : > : > another
> : > : > : > : > tree it would be acting as a force vectoring point. Then,
> and
> : > only
> : > : > : then
> : > : > : > : > would it be a 1:1 ratio.
> : > : > : > : >
> : > : > : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > : > : > : > news:3F5B99AC.8EE60474@sympatico.ca...
> : > : > : > : > > Huh???
> : > : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > : > > The first ****** block is just an angle changer, you can
> have
> : > : > twenty
> : > : > : > of
> : > : > : > : > > them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on
> itself,
> : > the
> : > : > : 20
> : > : > : > : > > blocks will still be 1:1.
> : > : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > : > > Mike
> : > : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > : > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> : > : > : > : > > >
> : > : > : > : > > > The second ****** block would be 4:1
> : > : > : > : > > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
> : > : > : > : > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > : > : > : > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : > : > : > : > > >
> : > : > : > : > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> : > : > : > : > > > >
> : > : > : > : > > > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered
> vehicle
> : > : > with
> : > : > : > the
> : > : > : > : > line
> : > : > : > : > > > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1
> ratio.
> : > : > : > : > > > >
> : > : > : > : > > > > Think block and tackle....
> : > : > : > : > > > >
> : > : > : > : > > > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can
> lift
> : > : > : easily,
> : > : > : > but
> : > : > : > : > > > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the
> : > circuit,
> : > : > not
> : > : > : > just
> : > : > : > : > an
> : > : > : > : > > > > angle changer.
> : > : > : > : > > > >
> : > : > : > : > > > > Mike
> : > : > : > : > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail
> in
> : > '00
> : > : > : > : > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : >
> : > : > :
> : > : > :

Mike Romain

Ahhh... Now I understand!

The stuck vehicle was the foot in the example I was referring to....

See:

"The video featured configuration was this:

truck [cableStart] -----> [ snatchblock vehicle] -----> [ tree,
cableEnd]"

The truck with the cable start was the winch or your right hand, the
tree, cable end is your left hand, the snatchblock vehicle is you foot.

The only advantage for this would be to pull the stuck vehicle out at a
different angle than the tow vehicle could line up to with a pull
increase of somewhere between a 2:1 and a 1.4 ratio.

Much easier to run the cable to the tree and then to the vehicle which
is a 1:1 but even then maybe that tree wasn't in the right place to get
the vehicle out safe, so they split the angle difference of the pull.

Mike


Dave Milne wrote:
>
> nah, the right hand is the stuck vehicle in the example.
> I really don't see the benefit of this "technique" ; the tree seems
> irrelevant.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F5F6C0B.AFDF764B@sympatico.ca...
> : Well, 'let' you freaking foot (stuck vehicle) move then. If it don't
> : move, that stuck vehicle in the swamp ain't moving either...
> : ;-)
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : Dave Milne wrote:
> : >
> : > Unfortunately that's not modelling the situation correctly as the foot
> : > doesn't move.
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:3F5F3136.3285D069@sympatico.ca...
> : > : Umm Dave, look again at my string example.
> : > :
> : > : If your left hand with the end of the string line is the tree or any
> : > : other 'fixed object' like a tree, then when you loop the string around
> : > : your foot (pulley on stuck vehicle) and pull 1' with your right hand
> : > : (the winch), your foot only moves 6".
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > :
> : > : Dave Milne wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > look at where the cable ends, and don't be so hasty !
> : > : >
> : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : > : >
> : > : > "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote in
> : > message
> : > : > news:0Zv7b.7820$cQ1.2245745@kent.svc.tds.net...
> : > : > : go back and re-study Eng 101... you must have been pissed that
> day.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : > : > : news:uE47b.4464$D%3.42160414@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > : > : > No it wouldn't !! The snatchblock simply routes the pulley round
> 90
> : > : > : degrees.
> : > : > : > It is a 1 for 1 pull.
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > --
> : > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > : > : > news:3F5C8309.71F0293D@sympatico.ca...
> : > : > : > : I just read the original again:
> : > : > : > :
> : > : > : > : --------------
> : > : > : > :
> : > : > : > : "The video featured configuration was this:
> : > : > : > :
> : > : > : > : truck [cableStart] -----> [ snatchblock vehicle] -----> [
> tree,
> : > : > : > : cableEnd]"
> : > : > : > :
> : > : > : > : --------------
> : > : > : > :
> : > : > : > : That would indeed be a 2:1 configuration.
> : > : > : > :
> : > : > : > : Mike
> : > : > : > :
> : > : > : > : "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote:
> : > : > : > : >
> : > : > : > : > it's a 2:1 ratio, since the cable is hooked back on the
> driving
> : > : > force
> : > : > : > : > (truck) the ****** block is not a simple re-vector of the
> force,
> : > : > since
> : > : > : > it is
> : > : > : > : > going back to the truck. If the cable went though the block,
> : > then to
> : > : > : > another
> : > : > : > : > tree it would be acting as a force vectoring point. Then,
> and
> : > only
> : > : > : then
> : > : > : > : > would it be a 1:1 ratio.
> : > : > : > : >
> : > : > : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > : > : > : > news:3F5B99AC.8EE60474@sympatico.ca...
> : > : > : > : > > Huh???
> : > : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > : > > The first ****** block is just an angle changer, you can
> have
> : > : > twenty
> : > : > : > of
> : > : > : > : > > them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on
> itself,
> : > the
> : > : > : 20
> : > : > : > : > > blocks will still be 1:1.
> : > : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > : > > Mike
> : > : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > : > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> : > : > : > : > > >
> : > : > : > : > > > The second ****** block would be 4:1
> : > : > : > : > > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
> : > : > : > : > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > : > : > : > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : > : > : > : > > >
> : > : > : > : > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> : > : > : > : > > > >
> : > : > : > : > > > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered
> vehicle
> : > : > with
> : > : > : > the
> : > : > : > : > line
> : > : > : > : > > > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1
> ratio.
> : > : > : > : > > > >
> : > : > : > : > > > > Think block and tackle....
> : > : > : > : > > > >
> : > : > : > : > > > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can
> lift
> : > : > : easily,
> : > : > : > but
> : > : > : > : > > > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the
> : > circuit,
> : > : > not
> : > : > : > just
> : > : > : > : > an
> : > : > : > : > > > > angle changer.
> : > : > : > : > > > >
> : > : > : > : > > > > Mike
> : > : > : > : > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail
> in
> : > '00
> : > : > : > : > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : >
> : > : > :
> : > : > :

Mike Romain

I for sure missed that part! Actually I didn't, looking back at it, I
got it right the first guess, then saw some other drawings and lost it
somewhere in there...

My first thought was just an angle changer, but since that made no sense
to actually do I figured the stuck vehicle had to be the ****** block
one.

That is why I put out the two hands and a foot with a piece of string
analogy to see if we were all on the same page.

We obviously weren't.

I thought they were doing some funky 3 point to get something out on a
strange angle under extra power....

Yup, that was a total waste of time to hook to the tree, if he wanted
the added power from a ****** block, he needed to run the cable back to
himself.

He would have done better to have the ****** block vehicle hit it in
reverse, then they would only need 3/4 or half the oomph depending on
angles to pull him out.

Is this video online anywhere?

No wonder this thread is so damn confusing....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

TJim wrote:
>
> Except that the cablestart truck was the one pulling himself out. Instead
> of going through the block to the tree, he could have just as well attached
> his cable to the snatchblock vehicle. The cablestart truck only has one
> cable attached to him (the one from his own winch), so it is a 1:1 pull
> whether he goes directly to the other truck or through 16 ****** blocks to a
> tree behind him. He is still only pulling himself with one winch and one
> cable.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F5F82C3.512A00B@sympatico.ca...
> > Ahhh... Now I understand!
> >
> > The stuck vehicle was the foot in the example I was referring to....
> >
> > See:
> >
> > "The video featured configuration was this:
> >
> > truck [cableStart] -----> [ snatchblock vehicle] -----> [ tree,
> > cableEnd]"
> >
> > The truck with the cable start was the winch or your right hand, the
> > tree, cable end is your left hand, the snatchblock vehicle is you foot.
> >
> > The only advantage for this would be to pull the stuck vehicle out at a
> > different angle than the tow vehicle could line up to with a pull
> > increase of somewhere between a 2:1 and a 1.4 ratio.
> >
> > Much easier to run the cable to the tree and then to the vehicle which
> > is a 1:1 but even then maybe that tree wasn't in the right place to get
> > the vehicle out safe, so they split the angle difference of the pull.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > >
> > > nah, the right hand is the stuck vehicle in the example.
> > > I really don't see the benefit of this "technique" ; the tree seems
> > > irrelevant.
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:3F5F6C0B.AFDF764B@sympatico.ca...
> > > : Well, 'let' you freaking foot (stuck vehicle) move then. If it don't
> > > : move, that stuck vehicle in the swamp ain't moving either...
> > > : ;-)
> > > :
> > > : Mike
> > > :
> > > : Dave Milne wrote:
> > > : >
> > > : > Unfortunately that's not modelling the situation correctly as the
> foot
> > > : > doesn't move.
> > > : >
> > > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > > : >
> > > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > : > news:3F5F3136.3285D069@sympatico.ca...
> > > : > : Umm Dave, look again at my string example.
> > > : > :
> > > : > : If your left hand with the end of the string line is the tree or
> any
> > > : > : other 'fixed object' like a tree, then when you loop the string
> around
> > > : > : your foot (pulley on stuck vehicle) and pull 1' with your right
> hand
> > > : > : (the winch), your foot only moves 6".
> > > : > :
> > > : > : Mike
> > > : > :
> > > : > : Dave Milne wrote:
> > > : > : >
> > > : > : > look at where the cable ends, and don't be so hasty !
> > > : > : >
> > > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > > : > : >
> > > : > : > "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" <chesshire_cat@nospam.net> wrote
> in
> > > : > message
> > > : > : > news:0Zv7b.7820$cQ1.2245745@kent.svc.tds.net...
> > > : > : > : go back and re-study Eng 101... you must have been pissed that
> > > day.
> > > : > : > :
> > > : > : > : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > > : > : > : news:uE47b.4464$D%3.42160414@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > : > : > : > No it wouldn't !! The snatchblock simply routes the pulley
> round
> > > 90
> > > : > : > : degrees.
> > > : > : > : > It is a 1 for 1 pull.
> > > : > : > : >
> > > : > : > : > --
> > > : > : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > : > : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > > : > : > : >
> > > : > : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > : > : > : > news:3F5C8309.71F0293D@sympatico.ca...
> > > : > : > : > : I just read the original again:
> > > : > : > : > :
> > > : > : > : > : --------------
> > > : > : > : > :
> > > : > : > : > : "The video featured configuration was this:
> > > : > : > : > :
> > > : > : > : > : truck [cableStart] -----> [ snatchblock vehicle] -----> [
> > > tree,
> > > : > : > : > : cableEnd]"
> > > : > : > : > :
> > > : > : > : > : --------------
> > > : > : > : > :
> > > : > : > : > : That would indeed be a 2:1 configuration.
> > > : > : > : > :
> > > : > : > : > : Mike
> > > : > : > : > :
> > > : > : > : > : "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote:
> > > : > : > : > : >
> > > : > : > : > : > it's a 2:1 ratio, since the cable is hooked back on the
> > > driving
> > > : > : > force
> > > : > : > : > : > (truck) the ****** block is not a simple re-vector of
> the
> > > force,
> > > : > : > since
> > > : > : > : > it is
> > > : > : > : > : > going back to the truck. If the cable went though the
> block,
> > > : > then to
> > > : > : > : > another
> > > : > : > : > : > tree it would be acting as a force vectoring point.
> Then,
> > > and
> > > : > only
> > > : > : > : then
> > > : > : > : > : > would it be a 1:1 ratio.
> > > : > : > : > : >
> > > : > : > : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > : > : > : > : > news:3F5B99AC.8EE60474@sympatico.ca...
> > > : > : > : > : > > Huh???
> > > : > : > : > : > >
> > > : > : > : > : > > The first ****** block is just an angle changer, you
> can
> > > have
> > > : > : > twenty
> > > : > : > : > of
> > > : > : > : > : > > them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on
> > > itself,
> > > : > the
> > > : > : > : 20
> > > : > : > : > : > > blocks will still be 1:1.
> > > : > : > : > : > >
> > > : > : > : > : > > Mike
> > > : > : > : > : > >
> > > : > : > : > : > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> > > : > : > : > : > > >
> > > : > : > : > : > > > The second ****** block would be 4:1
> > > : > : > : > : > > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
> > > : > : > : > : > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > : > : > : > : > > > mailto:--------------------
> http://www.----------.com/
> > > : > : > : > : > > >
> > > : > : > : > : > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > : > : > : > : > > > >
> > > : > : > : > : > > > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered
> > > vehicle
> > > : > : > with
> > > : > : > : > the
> > > : > : > : > : > line
> > > : > : > : > : > > > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1
> > > ratio.
> > > : > : > : > : > > > >
> > > : > : > : > : > > > > Think block and tackle....
> > > : > : > : > : > > > >
> > > : > : > : > : > > > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you
> can
> > > lift
> > > : > : > : easily,
> > > : > : > : > but
> > > : > : > : > : > > > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the
> > > : > circuit,
> > > : > : > not
> > > : > : > : > just
> > > : > : > : > : > an
> > > : > : > : > : > > > > angle changer.
> > > : > : > : > : > > > >
> > > : > : > : > : > > > > Mike
> > > : > : > : > : > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to
> tail
> > > in
> > > : > '00
> > > : > : > : > : > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > : > : > : >
> > > : > : > : >
> > > : > : > :
> > > : > : > :