Re: Superwinch = junk
#51
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Re: Superwinch = junk
Joshua Nelson wrote:
>
> > Tree ----------- Stuck vehicle + s/block
> > |
> > |
> > Winching Vehicle
> >
>
> Couldn't you get more pulling strength by putting the stuck vehicle
> with the winch at the end of the cable and the tree at the other, and
> then running the cable from the jeep to the tree several times? For
> each loop you make, you're going to halve the speed and double the
> power.
You are the gent with the small winch right?
Then you maybe should look into a block and tackle setup. Something
like a two pulley block for the tree or anchor vehicle and one pulley at
your front will give something like 6:1 (I think, but am too tired to
think much), times the power or more important in your case 6 times less
load on the winch to move whatever you are trying to move.
You would likely want an extension cable and some strong D rings and a
tree saver to hook it up.
Be careful of the pull ratio and the size of your cable, as Nathan
mentioned, cables do break in the 9-10,000 lb range. I don't know what
yours is rated for, but if it was light, I would get heavy cable for the
winch and use the smaller one doubled for the extension.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> > Tree ----------- Stuck vehicle + s/block
> > |
> > |
> > Winching Vehicle
> >
>
> Couldn't you get more pulling strength by putting the stuck vehicle
> with the winch at the end of the cable and the tree at the other, and
> then running the cable from the jeep to the tree several times? For
> each loop you make, you're going to halve the speed and double the
> power.
You are the gent with the small winch right?
Then you maybe should look into a block and tackle setup. Something
like a two pulley block for the tree or anchor vehicle and one pulley at
your front will give something like 6:1 (I think, but am too tired to
think much), times the power or more important in your case 6 times less
load on the winch to move whatever you are trying to move.
You would likely want an extension cable and some strong D rings and a
tree saver to hook it up.
Be careful of the pull ratio and the size of your cable, as Nathan
mentioned, cables do break in the 9-10,000 lb range. I don't know what
yours is rated for, but if it was light, I would get heavy cable for the
winch and use the smaller one doubled for the extension.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#52
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Re: Superwinch = junk
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:Kts7b.5779$8m7.53068816@news-text.cableinet.net...
> that's what an independent survey commissioned by milemarker said;
> unfortunately the link is no longer active.
ill have the segment online soon, and you guys can determine for yourselves
what you think of the results.
btw, i just ordered another copy on cd rom 4 days ago and got it in the mail
today. i figured that was easier than ripping the dvd into a streamable
video. dunno why it isnt working for you, works fine for me.
http://milemarker.com/video.html keep in mind the purpose of this video is
to sell you on the mile marker, but its the other results im referencing.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:Kts7b.5779$8m7.53068816@news-text.cableinet.net...
> that's what an independent survey commissioned by milemarker said;
> unfortunately the link is no longer active.
ill have the segment online soon, and you guys can determine for yourselves
what you think of the results.
btw, i just ordered another copy on cd rom 4 days ago and got it in the mail
today. i figured that was easier than ripping the dvd into a streamable
video. dunno why it isnt working for you, works fine for me.
http://milemarker.com/video.html keep in mind the purpose of this video is
to sell you on the mile marker, but its the other results im referencing.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
#53
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Re: Superwinch = junk
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:Kts7b.5779$8m7.53068816@news-text.cableinet.net...
> that's what an independent survey commissioned by milemarker said;
> unfortunately the link is no longer active.
ill have the segment online soon, and you guys can determine for yourselves
what you think of the results.
btw, i just ordered another copy on cd rom 4 days ago and got it in the mail
today. i figured that was easier than ripping the dvd into a streamable
video. dunno why it isnt working for you, works fine for me.
http://milemarker.com/video.html keep in mind the purpose of this video is
to sell you on the mile marker, but its the other results im referencing.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:Kts7b.5779$8m7.53068816@news-text.cableinet.net...
> that's what an independent survey commissioned by milemarker said;
> unfortunately the link is no longer active.
ill have the segment online soon, and you guys can determine for yourselves
what you think of the results.
btw, i just ordered another copy on cd rom 4 days ago and got it in the mail
today. i figured that was easier than ripping the dvd into a streamable
video. dunno why it isnt working for you, works fine for me.
http://milemarker.com/video.html keep in mind the purpose of this video is
to sell you on the mile marker, but its the other results im referencing.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
#54
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Re: Superwinch = junk
In article <b102b6e4.0309091315.e399b49@posting.google.com> , spam_box@ev1.net
(Joshua Nelson) writes:
>So all I need to do then is buy a much
>longer cable. If I could get, say, 200' of cable, and buy 4 ******
>blocks, then I could run the cable around four different trees and
>back to the jeep. This would make for a weird pentagon shaped cable
>layout, but would also give me a total of 144,000 lbs of winching
>strength.
Like this? (each tree has a pulley)
tree
/ \
tree tree
/ \
tree tree
\ /
Jeep
You'd still have 2:1 ratio and you'd rip your tow hook and/or winch off your
Jeep when the line pulls in one direction and the hook pulls in the other.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
(Joshua Nelson) writes:
>So all I need to do then is buy a much
>longer cable. If I could get, say, 200' of cable, and buy 4 ******
>blocks, then I could run the cable around four different trees and
>back to the jeep. This would make for a weird pentagon shaped cable
>layout, but would also give me a total of 144,000 lbs of winching
>strength.
Like this? (each tree has a pulley)
tree
/ \
tree tree
/ \
tree tree
\ /
Jeep
You'd still have 2:1 ratio and you'd rip your tow hook and/or winch off your
Jeep when the line pulls in one direction and the hook pulls in the other.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
#55
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Re: Superwinch = junk
In article <b102b6e4.0309091315.e399b49@posting.google.com> , spam_box@ev1.net
(Joshua Nelson) writes:
>So all I need to do then is buy a much
>longer cable. If I could get, say, 200' of cable, and buy 4 ******
>blocks, then I could run the cable around four different trees and
>back to the jeep. This would make for a weird pentagon shaped cable
>layout, but would also give me a total of 144,000 lbs of winching
>strength.
Like this? (each tree has a pulley)
tree
/ \
tree tree
/ \
tree tree
\ /
Jeep
You'd still have 2:1 ratio and you'd rip your tow hook and/or winch off your
Jeep when the line pulls in one direction and the hook pulls in the other.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
(Joshua Nelson) writes:
>So all I need to do then is buy a much
>longer cable. If I could get, say, 200' of cable, and buy 4 ******
>blocks, then I could run the cable around four different trees and
>back to the jeep. This would make for a weird pentagon shaped cable
>layout, but would also give me a total of 144,000 lbs of winching
>strength.
Like this? (each tree has a pulley)
tree
/ \
tree tree
/ \
tree tree
\ /
Jeep
You'd still have 2:1 ratio and you'd rip your tow hook and/or winch off your
Jeep when the line pulls in one direction and the hook pulls in the other.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
#56
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Re: Superwinch = junk
go back and re-study Eng 101... you must have been pissed that day.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:uE47b.4464$D%3.42160414@news-text.cableinet.net...
> No it wouldn't !! The snatchblock simply routes the pulley round 90
degrees.
> It is a 1 for 1 pull.
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F5C8309.71F0293D@sympatico.ca...
> : I just read the original again:
> :
> : --------------
> :
> : "The video featured configuration was this:
> :
> : truck [cableStart] -----> [ snatchblock vehicle] -----> [ tree,
> : cableEnd]"
> :
> : --------------
> :
> : That would indeed be a 2:1 configuration.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote:
> : >
> : > it's a 2:1 ratio, since the cable is hooked back on the driving force
> : > (truck) the ****** block is not a simple re-vector of the force, since
> it is
> : > going back to the truck. If the cable went though the block, then to
> another
> : > tree it would be acting as a force vectoring point. Then, and only
then
> : > would it be a 1:1 ratio.
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:3F5B99AC.8EE60474@sympatico.ca...
> : > > Huh???
> : > >
> : > > The first ****** block is just an angle changer, you can have twenty
> of
> : > > them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on itself, the
20
> : > > blocks will still be 1:1.
> : > >
> : > > Mike
> : > >
> : > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> : > > >
> : > > > The second ****** block would be 4:1
> : > > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
> : > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : > > >
> : > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> : > > > >
> : > > > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle with
> the
> : > line
> : > > > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
> : > > > >
> : > > > > Think block and tackle....
> : > > > >
> : > > > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift
easily,
> but
> : > > > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit, not
> just
> : > an
> : > > > > angle changer.
> : > > > >
> : > > > > Mike
> : > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:uE47b.4464$D%3.42160414@news-text.cableinet.net...
> No it wouldn't !! The snatchblock simply routes the pulley round 90
degrees.
> It is a 1 for 1 pull.
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F5C8309.71F0293D@sympatico.ca...
> : I just read the original again:
> :
> : --------------
> :
> : "The video featured configuration was this:
> :
> : truck [cableStart] -----> [ snatchblock vehicle] -----> [ tree,
> : cableEnd]"
> :
> : --------------
> :
> : That would indeed be a 2:1 configuration.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote:
> : >
> : > it's a 2:1 ratio, since the cable is hooked back on the driving force
> : > (truck) the ****** block is not a simple re-vector of the force, since
> it is
> : > going back to the truck. If the cable went though the block, then to
> another
> : > tree it would be acting as a force vectoring point. Then, and only
then
> : > would it be a 1:1 ratio.
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:3F5B99AC.8EE60474@sympatico.ca...
> : > > Huh???
> : > >
> : > > The first ****** block is just an angle changer, you can have twenty
> of
> : > > them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on itself, the
20
> : > > blocks will still be 1:1.
> : > >
> : > > Mike
> : > >
> : > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> : > > >
> : > > > The second ****** block would be 4:1
> : > > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
> : > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : > > >
> : > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> : > > > >
> : > > > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle with
> the
> : > line
> : > > > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
> : > > > >
> : > > > > Think block and tackle....
> : > > > >
> : > > > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift
easily,
> but
> : > > > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit, not
> just
> : > an
> : > > > > angle changer.
> : > > > >
> : > > > > Mike
> : > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
#57
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Re: Superwinch = junk
go back and re-study Eng 101... you must have been pissed that day.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:uE47b.4464$D%3.42160414@news-text.cableinet.net...
> No it wouldn't !! The snatchblock simply routes the pulley round 90
degrees.
> It is a 1 for 1 pull.
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F5C8309.71F0293D@sympatico.ca...
> : I just read the original again:
> :
> : --------------
> :
> : "The video featured configuration was this:
> :
> : truck [cableStart] -----> [ snatchblock vehicle] -----> [ tree,
> : cableEnd]"
> :
> : --------------
> :
> : That would indeed be a 2:1 configuration.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote:
> : >
> : > it's a 2:1 ratio, since the cable is hooked back on the driving force
> : > (truck) the ****** block is not a simple re-vector of the force, since
> it is
> : > going back to the truck. If the cable went though the block, then to
> another
> : > tree it would be acting as a force vectoring point. Then, and only
then
> : > would it be a 1:1 ratio.
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:3F5B99AC.8EE60474@sympatico.ca...
> : > > Huh???
> : > >
> : > > The first ****** block is just an angle changer, you can have twenty
> of
> : > > them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on itself, the
20
> : > > blocks will still be 1:1.
> : > >
> : > > Mike
> : > >
> : > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> : > > >
> : > > > The second ****** block would be 4:1
> : > > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
> : > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : > > >
> : > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> : > > > >
> : > > > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle with
> the
> : > line
> : > > > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
> : > > > >
> : > > > > Think block and tackle....
> : > > > >
> : > > > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift
easily,
> but
> : > > > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit, not
> just
> : > an
> : > > > > angle changer.
> : > > > >
> : > > > > Mike
> : > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:uE47b.4464$D%3.42160414@news-text.cableinet.net...
> No it wouldn't !! The snatchblock simply routes the pulley round 90
degrees.
> It is a 1 for 1 pull.
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F5C8309.71F0293D@sympatico.ca...
> : I just read the original again:
> :
> : --------------
> :
> : "The video featured configuration was this:
> :
> : truck [cableStart] -----> [ snatchblock vehicle] -----> [ tree,
> : cableEnd]"
> :
> : --------------
> :
> : That would indeed be a 2:1 configuration.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : "A.H. MacIntosh aka USERNAME" wrote:
> : >
> : > it's a 2:1 ratio, since the cable is hooked back on the driving force
> : > (truck) the ****** block is not a simple re-vector of the force, since
> it is
> : > going back to the truck. If the cable went though the block, then to
> another
> : > tree it would be acting as a force vectoring point. Then, and only
then
> : > would it be a 1:1 ratio.
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:3F5B99AC.8EE60474@sympatico.ca...
> : > > Huh???
> : > >
> : > > The first ****** block is just an angle changer, you can have twenty
> of
> : > > them, but if the end of the cable doesn't hook back on itself, the
20
> : > > blocks will still be 1:1.
> : > >
> : > > Mike
> : > >
> : > > "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> : > > >
> : > > > The second ****** block would be 4:1
> : > > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
> : > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : > > >
> : > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> : > > > >
> : > > > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle with
> the
> : > line
> : > > > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
> : > > > >
> : > > > > Think block and tackle....
> : > > > >
> : > > > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift
easily,
> but
> : > > > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit, not
> just
> : > an
> : > > > > angle changer.
> : > > > >
> : > > > > Mike
> : > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
#58
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Re: Superwinch = junk
it would just have to go between the jeep and the one tree.
Your gain in pulling force is at the expense of speed. every reversal cuts
your line speed in half. Then there is the little problem of cable strength,
winch hardware strength... and on. Your winch was designed around a given
expected force, not taking into account the multiplicative force of several
blocks.
It applies an advantage by
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0309091315.e399b49@posting.google.co m...
> > No it wouldn't !! The snatchblock simply routes the pulley round 90
degrees.
> > It is a 1 for 1 pull.
>
>
> So let me see if I get this straight. Each ****** block doubles the
> pulling strength of the winch. So all I need to do then is buy a much
> longer cable. If I could get, say, 200' of cable, and buy 4 ******
> blocks, then I could run the cable around four different trees and
> back to the jeep. This would make for a weird pentagon shaped cable
> layout, but would also give me a total of 144,000 lbs of winching
> strength. (4500lbs times 2 to the power of 5)
>
> I would think this should be enough to pull any rig out, however
> heavy or deeply sunk in the mud it is. Right?
Your gain in pulling force is at the expense of speed. every reversal cuts
your line speed in half. Then there is the little problem of cable strength,
winch hardware strength... and on. Your winch was designed around a given
expected force, not taking into account the multiplicative force of several
blocks.
It applies an advantage by
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0309091315.e399b49@posting.google.co m...
> > No it wouldn't !! The snatchblock simply routes the pulley round 90
degrees.
> > It is a 1 for 1 pull.
>
>
> So let me see if I get this straight. Each ****** block doubles the
> pulling strength of the winch. So all I need to do then is buy a much
> longer cable. If I could get, say, 200' of cable, and buy 4 ******
> blocks, then I could run the cable around four different trees and
> back to the jeep. This would make for a weird pentagon shaped cable
> layout, but would also give me a total of 144,000 lbs of winching
> strength. (4500lbs times 2 to the power of 5)
>
> I would think this should be enough to pull any rig out, however
> heavy or deeply sunk in the mud it is. Right?
#59
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Re: Superwinch = junk
it would just have to go between the jeep and the one tree.
Your gain in pulling force is at the expense of speed. every reversal cuts
your line speed in half. Then there is the little problem of cable strength,
winch hardware strength... and on. Your winch was designed around a given
expected force, not taking into account the multiplicative force of several
blocks.
It applies an advantage by
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0309091315.e399b49@posting.google.co m...
> > No it wouldn't !! The snatchblock simply routes the pulley round 90
degrees.
> > It is a 1 for 1 pull.
>
>
> So let me see if I get this straight. Each ****** block doubles the
> pulling strength of the winch. So all I need to do then is buy a much
> longer cable. If I could get, say, 200' of cable, and buy 4 ******
> blocks, then I could run the cable around four different trees and
> back to the jeep. This would make for a weird pentagon shaped cable
> layout, but would also give me a total of 144,000 lbs of winching
> strength. (4500lbs times 2 to the power of 5)
>
> I would think this should be enough to pull any rig out, however
> heavy or deeply sunk in the mud it is. Right?
Your gain in pulling force is at the expense of speed. every reversal cuts
your line speed in half. Then there is the little problem of cable strength,
winch hardware strength... and on. Your winch was designed around a given
expected force, not taking into account the multiplicative force of several
blocks.
It applies an advantage by
"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0309091315.e399b49@posting.google.co m...
> > No it wouldn't !! The snatchblock simply routes the pulley round 90
degrees.
> > It is a 1 for 1 pull.
>
>
> So let me see if I get this straight. Each ****** block doubles the
> pulling strength of the winch. So all I need to do then is buy a much
> longer cable. If I could get, say, 200' of cable, and buy 4 ******
> blocks, then I could run the cable around four different trees and
> back to the jeep. This would make for a weird pentagon shaped cable
> layout, but would also give me a total of 144,000 lbs of winching
> strength. (4500lbs times 2 to the power of 5)
>
> I would think this should be enough to pull any rig out, however
> heavy or deeply sunk in the mud it is. Right?
#60
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Re: Superwinch = junk
that is just a thrust vector (the block) in that case it is merely a 1:1, I
don't think that was the intention.
to multiply force it has to be:
Tree
|
(block)
| |
| |
| |
Winch Hook
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:pG47b.4469$124.42209322@news-text.cableinet.net...
>
> Ah, see the confusion now - sorry, my text art left something to be
desired.
>
> Tree ----------- Vehicle + s/block
> |
> |
> Vehicle
>
> still maintain its 1 for 1.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F5C8423.17C2370F@sympatico.ca...
> : You are correct Bill, I just read the original statement again.
> :
> : The winch went to a ****** block on the stuck vehicle, then to a tree
> : which gives at least a 2:1 pull if the tree is beside the winch.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> : >
> : > The second ****** block would be 4:1
> : > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
> : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : >
> : > Mike Romain wrote:
> : > >
> : > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle with the
> line
> : > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
> : > >
> : > > Think block and tackle....
> : > >
> : > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift easily,
but
> : > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit, not just
> an
> : > > angle changer.
> : > >
> : > > Mike
> : > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
don't think that was the intention.
to multiply force it has to be:
Tree
|
(block)
| |
| |
| |
Winch Hook
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:pG47b.4469$124.42209322@news-text.cableinet.net...
>
> Ah, see the confusion now - sorry, my text art left something to be
desired.
>
> Tree ----------- Vehicle + s/block
> |
> |
> Vehicle
>
> still maintain its 1 for 1.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F5C8423.17C2370F@sympatico.ca...
> : You are correct Bill, I just read the original statement again.
> :
> : The winch went to a ****** block on the stuck vehicle, then to a tree
> : which gives at least a 2:1 pull if the tree is beside the winch.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> : >
> : > The second ****** block would be 4:1
> : > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
> : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : >
> : > Mike Romain wrote:
> : > >
> : > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle with the
> line
> : > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
> : > >
> : > > Think block and tackle....
> : > >
> : > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift easily,
but
> : > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit, not just
> an
> : > > angle changer.
> : > >
> : > > Mike
> : > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>