Re: Superwinch = junk
09-08-2003, 09:05 PM
#21
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Re: Superwinch = junk
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> The tree and the winch are stationary.
>
> Same deal as if you just looped the cable back to the winch.
>
> With the pulley in the middle, it becomes 2:1.
2/1 is the *best* you can get out of this situation, if
the winching vehicle is next to the tree. The other
case would be the cable stretched in a straight line,
with the stuck vehicle in the middle; zero pull.
Somewhere in there, the pull would be 1/1... feel
good about that!
__
Steve
..
09-09-2003, 02:54 AM
#22
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Re: Superwinch = junk
I was just trying to make an example they would understand ;-)
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
news:bjjb9f$u9b$1@pita.alt.net...
: Dave Milne wrote:
:
: > If you, me and Bill 3 stand in a triangle, and I hold one end of a bit
of
: > string, you grab the middle hold it loosely letting it flow through your
: > fingers, and we tie the other end to Bill 3, are you suggesting that if
I
: > start reeling in the rope I will start moving at 1/2 speed ?
:
: No, I am suggesting that you will end up with rope burns, close
: entanglement, and somebody walking in on three gay bondage freaks! ;-)
:
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
news:bjjb9f$u9b$1@pita.alt.net...
: Dave Milne wrote:
:
: > If you, me and Bill 3 stand in a triangle, and I hold one end of a bit
of
: > string, you grab the middle hold it loosely letting it flow through your
: > fingers, and we tie the other end to Bill 3, are you suggesting that if
I
: > start reeling in the rope I will start moving at 1/2 speed ?
:
: No, I am suggesting that you will end up with rope burns, close
: entanglement, and somebody walking in on three gay bondage freaks! ;-)
:
09-09-2003, 02:54 AM
#23
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Re: Superwinch = junk
I was just trying to make an example they would understand ;-)
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
news:bjjb9f$u9b$1@pita.alt.net...
: Dave Milne wrote:
:
: > If you, me and Bill 3 stand in a triangle, and I hold one end of a bit
of
: > string, you grab the middle hold it loosely letting it flow through your
: > fingers, and we tie the other end to Bill 3, are you suggesting that if
I
: > start reeling in the rope I will start moving at 1/2 speed ?
:
: No, I am suggesting that you will end up with rope burns, close
: entanglement, and somebody walking in on three gay bondage freaks! ;-)
:
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Cal Wheeler" <cal@whee.ler> wrote in message
news:bjjb9f$u9b$1@pita.alt.net...
: Dave Milne wrote:
:
: > If you, me and Bill 3 stand in a triangle, and I hold one end of a bit
of
: > string, you grab the middle hold it loosely letting it flow through your
: > fingers, and we tie the other end to Bill 3, are you suggesting that if
I
: > start reeling in the rope I will start moving at 1/2 speed ?
:
: No, I am suggesting that you will end up with rope burns, close
: entanglement, and somebody walking in on three gay bondage freaks! ;-)
:
09-09-2003, 10:27 AM
#24
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Re: Superwinch = junk
No, I would start moving at half the speed you were reeling it in or a
little less, depends on how acute the triangle is.
You would be the winch and Bill the tree.
Mike
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> If you, me and Bill 3 stand in a triangle, and I hold one end of a bit of
> string, you grab the middle hold it loosely letting it flow through your
> fingers, and we tie the other end to Bill 3, are you suggesting that if I
> start reeling in the rope I will start moving at 1/2 speed ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F5CEEC1.13A535E2@sympatico.ca...
> : The tree and the winch are stationary.
> :
> : Same deal as if you just looped the cable back to the winch.
> :
> : With the pulley in the middle, it becomes 2:1.
> :
> : Now if the pulley block was on the tree, then it would be a straight
> : angle changer like I thought I read.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : Dave Milne wrote:
> : >
> : > Ah, see the confusion now - sorry, my text art left something to be
> desired.
> : >
> : > Tree ----------- Vehicle + s/block
> : > |
> : > |
> : > Vehicle
> : >
> : > still maintain its 1 for 1.
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:3F5C8423.17C2370F@sympatico.ca...
> : > : You are correct Bill, I just read the original statement again.
> : > :
> : > : The winch went to a ****** block on the stuck vehicle, then to a tree
> : > : which gives at least a 2:1 pull if the tree is beside the winch.
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > :
> : > : "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > The second ****** block would be 4:1
> : > : > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
> : > : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : > : >
> : > : > Mike Romain wrote:
> : > : > >
> : > : > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle with
> the
> : > line
> : > : > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
> : > : > >
> : > : > > Think block and tackle....
> : > : > >
> : > : > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift easily,
> but
> : > : > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit, not
> just
> : > an
> : > : > > angle changer.
> : > : > >
> : > : > > Mike
> : > : > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
little less, depends on how acute the triangle is.
You would be the winch and Bill the tree.
Mike
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> If you, me and Bill 3 stand in a triangle, and I hold one end of a bit of
> string, you grab the middle hold it loosely letting it flow through your
> fingers, and we tie the other end to Bill 3, are you suggesting that if I
> start reeling in the rope I will start moving at 1/2 speed ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F5CEEC1.13A535E2@sympatico.ca...
> : The tree and the winch are stationary.
> :
> : Same deal as if you just looped the cable back to the winch.
> :
> : With the pulley in the middle, it becomes 2:1.
> :
> : Now if the pulley block was on the tree, then it would be a straight
> : angle changer like I thought I read.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : Dave Milne wrote:
> : >
> : > Ah, see the confusion now - sorry, my text art left something to be
> desired.
> : >
> : > Tree ----------- Vehicle + s/block
> : > |
> : > |
> : > Vehicle
> : >
> : > still maintain its 1 for 1.
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:3F5C8423.17C2370F@sympatico.ca...
> : > : You are correct Bill, I just read the original statement again.
> : > :
> : > : The winch went to a ****** block on the stuck vehicle, then to a tree
> : > : which gives at least a 2:1 pull if the tree is beside the winch.
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > :
> : > : "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > The second ****** block would be 4:1
> : > : > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
> : > : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : > : >
> : > : > Mike Romain wrote:
> : > : > >
> : > : > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle with
> the
> : > line
> : > : > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
> : > : > >
> : > : > > Think block and tackle....
> : > : > >
> : > : > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift easily,
> but
> : > : > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit, not
> just
> : > an
> : > : > > angle changer.
> : > : > >
> : > : > > Mike
> : > : > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
09-09-2003, 10:27 AM
#25
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Re: Superwinch = junk
No, I would start moving at half the speed you were reeling it in or a
little less, depends on how acute the triangle is.
You would be the winch and Bill the tree.
Mike
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> If you, me and Bill 3 stand in a triangle, and I hold one end of a bit of
> string, you grab the middle hold it loosely letting it flow through your
> fingers, and we tie the other end to Bill 3, are you suggesting that if I
> start reeling in the rope I will start moving at 1/2 speed ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F5CEEC1.13A535E2@sympatico.ca...
> : The tree and the winch are stationary.
> :
> : Same deal as if you just looped the cable back to the winch.
> :
> : With the pulley in the middle, it becomes 2:1.
> :
> : Now if the pulley block was on the tree, then it would be a straight
> : angle changer like I thought I read.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : Dave Milne wrote:
> : >
> : > Ah, see the confusion now - sorry, my text art left something to be
> desired.
> : >
> : > Tree ----------- Vehicle + s/block
> : > |
> : > |
> : > Vehicle
> : >
> : > still maintain its 1 for 1.
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:3F5C8423.17C2370F@sympatico.ca...
> : > : You are correct Bill, I just read the original statement again.
> : > :
> : > : The winch went to a ****** block on the stuck vehicle, then to a tree
> : > : which gives at least a 2:1 pull if the tree is beside the winch.
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > :
> : > : "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > The second ****** block would be 4:1
> : > : > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
> : > : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : > : >
> : > : > Mike Romain wrote:
> : > : > >
> : > : > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle with
> the
> : > line
> : > : > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
> : > : > >
> : > : > > Think block and tackle....
> : > : > >
> : > : > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift easily,
> but
> : > : > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit, not
> just
> : > an
> : > : > > angle changer.
> : > : > >
> : > : > > Mike
> : > : > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
little less, depends on how acute the triangle is.
You would be the winch and Bill the tree.
Mike
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> If you, me and Bill 3 stand in a triangle, and I hold one end of a bit of
> string, you grab the middle hold it loosely letting it flow through your
> fingers, and we tie the other end to Bill 3, are you suggesting that if I
> start reeling in the rope I will start moving at 1/2 speed ?
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F5CEEC1.13A535E2@sympatico.ca...
> : The tree and the winch are stationary.
> :
> : Same deal as if you just looped the cable back to the winch.
> :
> : With the pulley in the middle, it becomes 2:1.
> :
> : Now if the pulley block was on the tree, then it would be a straight
> : angle changer like I thought I read.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : Dave Milne wrote:
> : >
> : > Ah, see the confusion now - sorry, my text art left something to be
> desired.
> : >
> : > Tree ----------- Vehicle + s/block
> : > |
> : > |
> : > Vehicle
> : >
> : > still maintain its 1 for 1.
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:3F5C8423.17C2370F@sympatico.ca...
> : > : You are correct Bill, I just read the original statement again.
> : > :
> : > : The winch went to a ****** block on the stuck vehicle, then to a tree
> : > : which gives at least a 2:1 pull if the tree is beside the winch.
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > :
> : > : "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > The second ****** block would be 4:1
> : > : > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
> : > : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : > : >
> : > : > Mike Romain wrote:
> : > : > >
> : > : > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle with
> the
> : > line
> : > : > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
> : > : > >
> : > : > > Think block and tackle....
> : > : > >
> : > : > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift easily,
> but
> : > : > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit, not
> just
> : > an
> : > : > > angle changer.
> : > : > >
> : > : > > Mike
> : > : > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
09-09-2003, 02:37 PM
#26
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Re: Superwinch = junk
I guess we aren't going to agree on this. Got an email from Ramsey however
saying they agree with me and will change the video voice over.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F5DE345.FF525C47@sympatico.ca...
: No, I would start moving at half the speed you were reeling it in or a
: little less, depends on how acute the triangle is.
:
: You would be the winch and Bill the tree.
:
: Mike
:
: Dave Milne wrote:
: >
: > If you, me and Bill 3 stand in a triangle, and I hold one end of a bit
of
: > string, you grab the middle hold it loosely letting it flow through your
: > fingers, and we tie the other end to Bill 3, are you suggesting that if
I
: > start reeling in the rope I will start moving at 1/2 speed ?
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > news:3F5CEEC1.13A535E2@sympatico.ca...
: > : The tree and the winch are stationary.
: > :
: > : Same deal as if you just looped the cable back to the winch.
: > :
: > : With the pulley in the middle, it becomes 2:1.
: > :
: > : Now if the pulley block was on the tree, then it would be a straight
: > : angle changer like I thought I read.
: > :
: > : Mike
: > :
: > : Dave Milne wrote:
: > : >
: > : > Ah, see the confusion now - sorry, my text art left something to be
: > desired.
: > : >
: > : > Tree ----------- Vehicle + s/block
: > : > |
: > : > |
: > : > Vehicle
: > : >
: > : > still maintain its 1 for 1.
: > : >
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > : > news:3F5C8423.17C2370F@sympatico.ca...
: > : > : You are correct Bill, I just read the original statement again.
: > : > :
: > : > : The winch went to a ****** block on the stuck vehicle, then to a
tree
: > : > : which gives at least a 2:1 pull if the tree is beside the winch.
: > : > :
: > : > : Mike
: > : > :
: > : > : "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
: > : > : >
: > : > : > The second ****** block would be 4:1
: > : > : > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
: > : > : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: > : > : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Mike Romain wrote:
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle
with
: > the
: > : > line
: > : > : > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > Think block and tackle....
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift
easily,
: > but
: > : > : > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit,
not
: > just
: > : > an
: > : > : > > angle changer.
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > Mike
: > : > : > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
: > : > : > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
saying they agree with me and will change the video voice over.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F5DE345.FF525C47@sympatico.ca...
: No, I would start moving at half the speed you were reeling it in or a
: little less, depends on how acute the triangle is.
:
: You would be the winch and Bill the tree.
:
: Mike
:
: Dave Milne wrote:
: >
: > If you, me and Bill 3 stand in a triangle, and I hold one end of a bit
of
: > string, you grab the middle hold it loosely letting it flow through your
: > fingers, and we tie the other end to Bill 3, are you suggesting that if
I
: > start reeling in the rope I will start moving at 1/2 speed ?
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > news:3F5CEEC1.13A535E2@sympatico.ca...
: > : The tree and the winch are stationary.
: > :
: > : Same deal as if you just looped the cable back to the winch.
: > :
: > : With the pulley in the middle, it becomes 2:1.
: > :
: > : Now if the pulley block was on the tree, then it would be a straight
: > : angle changer like I thought I read.
: > :
: > : Mike
: > :
: > : Dave Milne wrote:
: > : >
: > : > Ah, see the confusion now - sorry, my text art left something to be
: > desired.
: > : >
: > : > Tree ----------- Vehicle + s/block
: > : > |
: > : > |
: > : > Vehicle
: > : >
: > : > still maintain its 1 for 1.
: > : >
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > : > news:3F5C8423.17C2370F@sympatico.ca...
: > : > : You are correct Bill, I just read the original statement again.
: > : > :
: > : > : The winch went to a ****** block on the stuck vehicle, then to a
tree
: > : > : which gives at least a 2:1 pull if the tree is beside the winch.
: > : > :
: > : > : Mike
: > : > :
: > : > : "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
: > : > : >
: > : > : > The second ****** block would be 4:1
: > : > : > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
: > : > : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: > : > : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Mike Romain wrote:
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle
with
: > the
: > : > line
: > : > : > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > Think block and tackle....
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift
easily,
: > but
: > : > : > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit,
not
: > just
: > : > an
: > : > : > > angle changer.
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > Mike
: > : > : > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
: > : > : > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
09-09-2003, 02:37 PM
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Superwinch = junk
I guess we aren't going to agree on this. Got an email from Ramsey however
saying they agree with me and will change the video voice over.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F5DE345.FF525C47@sympatico.ca...
: No, I would start moving at half the speed you were reeling it in or a
: little less, depends on how acute the triangle is.
:
: You would be the winch and Bill the tree.
:
: Mike
:
: Dave Milne wrote:
: >
: > If you, me and Bill 3 stand in a triangle, and I hold one end of a bit
of
: > string, you grab the middle hold it loosely letting it flow through your
: > fingers, and we tie the other end to Bill 3, are you suggesting that if
I
: > start reeling in the rope I will start moving at 1/2 speed ?
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > news:3F5CEEC1.13A535E2@sympatico.ca...
: > : The tree and the winch are stationary.
: > :
: > : Same deal as if you just looped the cable back to the winch.
: > :
: > : With the pulley in the middle, it becomes 2:1.
: > :
: > : Now if the pulley block was on the tree, then it would be a straight
: > : angle changer like I thought I read.
: > :
: > : Mike
: > :
: > : Dave Milne wrote:
: > : >
: > : > Ah, see the confusion now - sorry, my text art left something to be
: > desired.
: > : >
: > : > Tree ----------- Vehicle + s/block
: > : > |
: > : > |
: > : > Vehicle
: > : >
: > : > still maintain its 1 for 1.
: > : >
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > : > news:3F5C8423.17C2370F@sympatico.ca...
: > : > : You are correct Bill, I just read the original statement again.
: > : > :
: > : > : The winch went to a ****** block on the stuck vehicle, then to a
tree
: > : > : which gives at least a 2:1 pull if the tree is beside the winch.
: > : > :
: > : > : Mike
: > : > :
: > : > : "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
: > : > : >
: > : > : > The second ****** block would be 4:1
: > : > : > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
: > : > : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: > : > : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Mike Romain wrote:
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle
with
: > the
: > : > line
: > : > : > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > Think block and tackle....
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift
easily,
: > but
: > : > : > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit,
not
: > just
: > : > an
: > : > : > > angle changer.
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > Mike
: > : > : > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
: > : > : > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
saying they agree with me and will change the video voice over.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F5DE345.FF525C47@sympatico.ca...
: No, I would start moving at half the speed you were reeling it in or a
: little less, depends on how acute the triangle is.
:
: You would be the winch and Bill the tree.
:
: Mike
:
: Dave Milne wrote:
: >
: > If you, me and Bill 3 stand in a triangle, and I hold one end of a bit
of
: > string, you grab the middle hold it loosely letting it flow through your
: > fingers, and we tie the other end to Bill 3, are you suggesting that if
I
: > start reeling in the rope I will start moving at 1/2 speed ?
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > news:3F5CEEC1.13A535E2@sympatico.ca...
: > : The tree and the winch are stationary.
: > :
: > : Same deal as if you just looped the cable back to the winch.
: > :
: > : With the pulley in the middle, it becomes 2:1.
: > :
: > : Now if the pulley block was on the tree, then it would be a straight
: > : angle changer like I thought I read.
: > :
: > : Mike
: > :
: > : Dave Milne wrote:
: > : >
: > : > Ah, see the confusion now - sorry, my text art left something to be
: > desired.
: > : >
: > : > Tree ----------- Vehicle + s/block
: > : > |
: > : > |
: > : > Vehicle
: > : >
: > : > still maintain its 1 for 1.
: > : >
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > : > news:3F5C8423.17C2370F@sympatico.ca...
: > : > : You are correct Bill, I just read the original statement again.
: > : > :
: > : > : The winch went to a ****** block on the stuck vehicle, then to a
tree
: > : > : which gives at least a 2:1 pull if the tree is beside the winch.
: > : > :
: > : > : Mike
: > : > :
: > : > : "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
: > : > : >
: > : > : > The second ****** block would be 4:1
: > : > : > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
: > : > : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: > : > : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
: > : > : >
: > : > : > Mike Romain wrote:
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle
with
: > the
: > : > line
: > : > : > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > Think block and tackle....
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift
easily,
: > but
: > : > : > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit,
not
: > just
: > : > an
: > : > : > > angle changer.
: > : > : > >
: > : > : > > Mike
: > : > : > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
: > : > : > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
09-09-2003, 03:32 PM
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Superwinch = junk
Well, that was interesting. I just watched the video. Of what use was that
three point recovery? I thought they were going to recover a non-winch
vehicle using a tree for a direction changing ****** block. They could have
just as easily attached the cable to the truck they had the block attached
to. ???
I don't get that one.
....and, yes, that's a 1:1 pull.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:b6p7b.5457$o06.51141761@news-text.cableinet.net...
> I guess we aren't going to agree on this. Got an email from Ramsey however
> saying they agree with me and will change the video voice over.
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F5DE345.FF525C47@sympatico.ca...
> : No, I would start moving at half the speed you were reeling it in or a
> : little less, depends on how acute the triangle is.
> :
> : You would be the winch and Bill the tree.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : Dave Milne wrote:
> : >
> : > If you, me and Bill 3 stand in a triangle, and I hold one end of a bit
> of
> : > string, you grab the middle hold it loosely letting it flow through
your
> : > fingers, and we tie the other end to Bill 3, are you suggesting that
if
> I
> : > start reeling in the rope I will start moving at 1/2 speed ?
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:3F5CEEC1.13A535E2@sympatico.ca...
> : > : The tree and the winch are stationary.
> : > :
> : > : Same deal as if you just looped the cable back to the winch.
> : > :
> : > : With the pulley in the middle, it becomes 2:1.
> : > :
> : > : Now if the pulley block was on the tree, then it would be a straight
> : > : angle changer like I thought I read.
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > :
> : > : Dave Milne wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > Ah, see the confusion now - sorry, my text art left something to
be
> : > desired.
> : > : >
> : > : > Tree ----------- Vehicle + s/block
> : > : > |
> : > : > |
> : > : > Vehicle
> : > : >
> : > : > still maintain its 1 for 1.
> : > : >
> : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : > : >
> : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > : > news:3F5C8423.17C2370F@sympatico.ca...
> : > : > : You are correct Bill, I just read the original statement again.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : The winch went to a ****** block on the stuck vehicle, then to a
> tree
> : > : > : which gives at least a 2:1 pull if the tree is beside the winch.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Mike
> : > : > :
> : > : > : "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > The second ****** block would be 4:1
> : > : > : > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
> : > : > : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > : > : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > Mike Romain wrote:
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle
> with
> : > the
> : > : > line
> : > : > : > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > > Think block and tackle....
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift
> easily,
> : > but
> : > : > : > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit,
> not
> : > just
> : > : > an
> : > : > : > > angle changer.
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > > Mike
> : > : > : > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
'00
> : > : > : > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
three point recovery? I thought they were going to recover a non-winch
vehicle using a tree for a direction changing ****** block. They could have
just as easily attached the cable to the truck they had the block attached
to. ???
I don't get that one.
....and, yes, that's a 1:1 pull.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:b6p7b.5457$o06.51141761@news-text.cableinet.net...
> I guess we aren't going to agree on this. Got an email from Ramsey however
> saying they agree with me and will change the video voice over.
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F5DE345.FF525C47@sympatico.ca...
> : No, I would start moving at half the speed you were reeling it in or a
> : little less, depends on how acute the triangle is.
> :
> : You would be the winch and Bill the tree.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : Dave Milne wrote:
> : >
> : > If you, me and Bill 3 stand in a triangle, and I hold one end of a bit
> of
> : > string, you grab the middle hold it loosely letting it flow through
your
> : > fingers, and we tie the other end to Bill 3, are you suggesting that
if
> I
> : > start reeling in the rope I will start moving at 1/2 speed ?
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:3F5CEEC1.13A535E2@sympatico.ca...
> : > : The tree and the winch are stationary.
> : > :
> : > : Same deal as if you just looped the cable back to the winch.
> : > :
> : > : With the pulley in the middle, it becomes 2:1.
> : > :
> : > : Now if the pulley block was on the tree, then it would be a straight
> : > : angle changer like I thought I read.
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > :
> : > : Dave Milne wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > Ah, see the confusion now - sorry, my text art left something to
be
> : > desired.
> : > : >
> : > : > Tree ----------- Vehicle + s/block
> : > : > |
> : > : > |
> : > : > Vehicle
> : > : >
> : > : > still maintain its 1 for 1.
> : > : >
> : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : > : >
> : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > : > news:3F5C8423.17C2370F@sympatico.ca...
> : > : > : You are correct Bill, I just read the original statement again.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : The winch went to a ****** block on the stuck vehicle, then to a
> tree
> : > : > : which gives at least a 2:1 pull if the tree is beside the winch.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Mike
> : > : > :
> : > : > : "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > The second ****** block would be 4:1
> : > : > : > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
> : > : > : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > : > : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > Mike Romain wrote:
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle
> with
> : > the
> : > : > line
> : > : > : > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > > Think block and tackle....
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift
> easily,
> : > but
> : > : > : > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit,
> not
> : > just
> : > : > an
> : > : > : > > angle changer.
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > > Mike
> : > : > : > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
'00
> : > : > : > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
09-09-2003, 03:32 PM
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Superwinch = junk
Well, that was interesting. I just watched the video. Of what use was that
three point recovery? I thought they were going to recover a non-winch
vehicle using a tree for a direction changing ****** block. They could have
just as easily attached the cable to the truck they had the block attached
to. ???
I don't get that one.
....and, yes, that's a 1:1 pull.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:b6p7b.5457$o06.51141761@news-text.cableinet.net...
> I guess we aren't going to agree on this. Got an email from Ramsey however
> saying they agree with me and will change the video voice over.
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F5DE345.FF525C47@sympatico.ca...
> : No, I would start moving at half the speed you were reeling it in or a
> : little less, depends on how acute the triangle is.
> :
> : You would be the winch and Bill the tree.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : Dave Milne wrote:
> : >
> : > If you, me and Bill 3 stand in a triangle, and I hold one end of a bit
> of
> : > string, you grab the middle hold it loosely letting it flow through
your
> : > fingers, and we tie the other end to Bill 3, are you suggesting that
if
> I
> : > start reeling in the rope I will start moving at 1/2 speed ?
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:3F5CEEC1.13A535E2@sympatico.ca...
> : > : The tree and the winch are stationary.
> : > :
> : > : Same deal as if you just looped the cable back to the winch.
> : > :
> : > : With the pulley in the middle, it becomes 2:1.
> : > :
> : > : Now if the pulley block was on the tree, then it would be a straight
> : > : angle changer like I thought I read.
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > :
> : > : Dave Milne wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > Ah, see the confusion now - sorry, my text art left something to
be
> : > desired.
> : > : >
> : > : > Tree ----------- Vehicle + s/block
> : > : > |
> : > : > |
> : > : > Vehicle
> : > : >
> : > : > still maintain its 1 for 1.
> : > : >
> : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : > : >
> : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > : > news:3F5C8423.17C2370F@sympatico.ca...
> : > : > : You are correct Bill, I just read the original statement again.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : The winch went to a ****** block on the stuck vehicle, then to a
> tree
> : > : > : which gives at least a 2:1 pull if the tree is beside the winch.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Mike
> : > : > :
> : > : > : "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > The second ****** block would be 4:1
> : > : > : > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
> : > : > : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > : > : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > Mike Romain wrote:
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle
> with
> : > the
> : > : > line
> : > : > : > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > > Think block and tackle....
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift
> easily,
> : > but
> : > : > : > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit,
> not
> : > just
> : > : > an
> : > : > : > > angle changer.
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > > Mike
> : > : > : > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
'00
> : > : > : > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
three point recovery? I thought they were going to recover a non-winch
vehicle using a tree for a direction changing ****** block. They could have
just as easily attached the cable to the truck they had the block attached
to. ???
I don't get that one.
....and, yes, that's a 1:1 pull.
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:b6p7b.5457$o06.51141761@news-text.cableinet.net...
> I guess we aren't going to agree on this. Got an email from Ramsey however
> saying they agree with me and will change the video voice over.
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F5DE345.FF525C47@sympatico.ca...
> : No, I would start moving at half the speed you were reeling it in or a
> : little less, depends on how acute the triangle is.
> :
> : You would be the winch and Bill the tree.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : Dave Milne wrote:
> : >
> : > If you, me and Bill 3 stand in a triangle, and I hold one end of a bit
> of
> : > string, you grab the middle hold it loosely letting it flow through
your
> : > fingers, and we tie the other end to Bill 3, are you suggesting that
if
> I
> : > start reeling in the rope I will start moving at 1/2 speed ?
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:3F5CEEC1.13A535E2@sympatico.ca...
> : > : The tree and the winch are stationary.
> : > :
> : > : Same deal as if you just looped the cable back to the winch.
> : > :
> : > : With the pulley in the middle, it becomes 2:1.
> : > :
> : > : Now if the pulley block was on the tree, then it would be a straight
> : > : angle changer like I thought I read.
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > :
> : > : Dave Milne wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > Ah, see the confusion now - sorry, my text art left something to
be
> : > desired.
> : > : >
> : > : > Tree ----------- Vehicle + s/block
> : > : > |
> : > : > |
> : > : > Vehicle
> : > : >
> : > : > still maintain its 1 for 1.
> : > : >
> : > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : > : >
> : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > : > news:3F5C8423.17C2370F@sympatico.ca...
> : > : > : You are correct Bill, I just read the original statement again.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : The winch went to a ****** block on the stuck vehicle, then to a
> tree
> : > : > : which gives at least a 2:1 pull if the tree is beside the winch.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Mike
> : > : > :
> : > : > : "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > The second ****** block would be 4:1
> : > : > : > http://www.howstuffworks.com/pulley.htm
> : > : > : > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> : > : > : > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > Mike Romain wrote:
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > > If they had a second ****** block on the recovered vehicle
> with
> : > the
> : > : > line
> : > : > : > > going back to the tree, then they would have a 2:1 ratio.
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > > Think block and tackle....
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > > The more pulleys, the more reduction and more you can lift
> easily,
> : > but
> : > : > : > > you have to have the pulley as an other end of the circuit,
> not
> : > just
> : > : > an
> : > : > : > > angle changer.
> : > : > : > >
> : > : > : > > Mike
> : > : > : > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
'00
> : > : > : > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
09-09-2003, 05:15 PM
#30
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Superwinch = junk
> No it wouldn't !! The snatchblock simply routes the pulley round 90 degrees.
> It is a 1 for 1 pull.
So let me see if I get this straight. Each ****** block doubles the
pulling strength of the winch. So all I need to do then is buy a much
longer cable. If I could get, say, 200' of cable, and buy 4 ******
blocks, then I could run the cable around four different trees and
back to the jeep. This would make for a weird pentagon shaped cable
layout, but would also give me a total of 144,000 lbs of winching
strength. (4500lbs times 2 to the power of 5)
I would think this should be enough to pull any rig out, however
heavy or deeply sunk in the mud it is. Right?
> It is a 1 for 1 pull.
So let me see if I get this straight. Each ****** block doubles the
pulling strength of the winch. So all I need to do then is buy a much
longer cable. If I could get, say, 200' of cable, and buy 4 ******
blocks, then I could run the cable around four different trees and
back to the jeep. This would make for a weird pentagon shaped cable
layout, but would also give me a total of 144,000 lbs of winching
strength. (4500lbs times 2 to the power of 5)
I would think this should be enough to pull any rig out, however
heavy or deeply sunk in the mud it is. Right?