OT BioDiesel
05-10-2006, 09:33 AM
#161
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Re: OT BioDiesel
Sure, but everyone has their own little soap box to stand on, don't they?
;^)
Damn right I'm being sarcastic. Electricity in Colorado is made from coal.
You want to drive by one of the power plants, when it is running wide open
throttle to generate clean power for the sunny and unpolluted Rocky Mountain
states. We had those commercials in New England too, set to music.
Earle
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4461A924.EB14CDA7@***.net...
> I'm sure Earle was hitting you with a little sarcasm. I remember
> the commercials for the new clean air homes in Southern California,
> about when we got a nuclear plates in the early fifties. and we all
> converted to next to useless ceiling heat, with no gas stoves or water
> heaters. Then the environmentalist wackos got to work driving this too
> cheap to meter electricity out through the roof.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Grumman-581 wrote:
> >
> > "Safe and clean electrical heat"? Surely you're not so stupid that
> > you believe that! Every source of heat has it's risks... As if
> > electrical fires are enough of a risk, just consider the concept of
> > freezing your butt off because of a power outage... I responsible
> > house design will have both gas and electricity... Each serve their
> > own purposes and can somewhat act as a backup for the other in
> > emergencies... I would hazard to guess that more people are killed
> > each year using electrical power to heat their homes than are killed
> > from heating with gas... Seems like every year I hear about a few
> > fires from electrical heating... I can't recall the last time I heard
> > of any gas fires...On the other hand, it seems that BBQing (i.e.
> > charcoal and starter fluid) on apartment balconies is rather
> > detrimental to a couple of apartment complexes each year... No matter
> > how many times you warn them, some people just do not understand...
;^)
Damn right I'm being sarcastic. Electricity in Colorado is made from coal.
You want to drive by one of the power plants, when it is running wide open
throttle to generate clean power for the sunny and unpolluted Rocky Mountain
states. We had those commercials in New England too, set to music.
Earle
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4461A924.EB14CDA7@***.net...
> I'm sure Earle was hitting you with a little sarcasm. I remember
> the commercials for the new clean air homes in Southern California,
> about when we got a nuclear plates in the early fifties. and we all
> converted to next to useless ceiling heat, with no gas stoves or water
> heaters. Then the environmentalist wackos got to work driving this too
> cheap to meter electricity out through the roof.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Grumman-581 wrote:
> >
> > "Safe and clean electrical heat"? Surely you're not so stupid that
> > you believe that! Every source of heat has it's risks... As if
> > electrical fires are enough of a risk, just consider the concept of
> > freezing your butt off because of a power outage... I responsible
> > house design will have both gas and electricity... Each serve their
> > own purposes and can somewhat act as a backup for the other in
> > emergencies... I would hazard to guess that more people are killed
> > each year using electrical power to heat their homes than are killed
> > from heating with gas... Seems like every year I hear about a few
> > fires from electrical heating... I can't recall the last time I heard
> > of any gas fires...On the other hand, it seems that BBQing (i.e.
> > charcoal and starter fluid) on apartment balconies is rather
> > detrimental to a couple of apartment complexes each year... No matter
> > how many times you warn them, some people just do not understand...
05-10-2006, 09:33 AM
#162
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Re: OT BioDiesel
Sure, but everyone has their own little soap box to stand on, don't they?
;^)
Damn right I'm being sarcastic. Electricity in Colorado is made from coal.
You want to drive by one of the power plants, when it is running wide open
throttle to generate clean power for the sunny and unpolluted Rocky Mountain
states. We had those commercials in New England too, set to music.
Earle
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4461A924.EB14CDA7@***.net...
> I'm sure Earle was hitting you with a little sarcasm. I remember
> the commercials for the new clean air homes in Southern California,
> about when we got a nuclear plates in the early fifties. and we all
> converted to next to useless ceiling heat, with no gas stoves or water
> heaters. Then the environmentalist wackos got to work driving this too
> cheap to meter electricity out through the roof.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Grumman-581 wrote:
> >
> > "Safe and clean electrical heat"? Surely you're not so stupid that
> > you believe that! Every source of heat has it's risks... As if
> > electrical fires are enough of a risk, just consider the concept of
> > freezing your butt off because of a power outage... I responsible
> > house design will have both gas and electricity... Each serve their
> > own purposes and can somewhat act as a backup for the other in
> > emergencies... I would hazard to guess that more people are killed
> > each year using electrical power to heat their homes than are killed
> > from heating with gas... Seems like every year I hear about a few
> > fires from electrical heating... I can't recall the last time I heard
> > of any gas fires...On the other hand, it seems that BBQing (i.e.
> > charcoal and starter fluid) on apartment balconies is rather
> > detrimental to a couple of apartment complexes each year... No matter
> > how many times you warn them, some people just do not understand...
;^)
Damn right I'm being sarcastic. Electricity in Colorado is made from coal.
You want to drive by one of the power plants, when it is running wide open
throttle to generate clean power for the sunny and unpolluted Rocky Mountain
states. We had those commercials in New England too, set to music.
Earle
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4461A924.EB14CDA7@***.net...
> I'm sure Earle was hitting you with a little sarcasm. I remember
> the commercials for the new clean air homes in Southern California,
> about when we got a nuclear plates in the early fifties. and we all
> converted to next to useless ceiling heat, with no gas stoves or water
> heaters. Then the environmentalist wackos got to work driving this too
> cheap to meter electricity out through the roof.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Grumman-581 wrote:
> >
> > "Safe and clean electrical heat"? Surely you're not so stupid that
> > you believe that! Every source of heat has it's risks... As if
> > electrical fires are enough of a risk, just consider the concept of
> > freezing your butt off because of a power outage... I responsible
> > house design will have both gas and electricity... Each serve their
> > own purposes and can somewhat act as a backup for the other in
> > emergencies... I would hazard to guess that more people are killed
> > each year using electrical power to heat their homes than are killed
> > from heating with gas... Seems like every year I hear about a few
> > fires from electrical heating... I can't recall the last time I heard
> > of any gas fires...On the other hand, it seems that BBQing (i.e.
> > charcoal and starter fluid) on apartment balconies is rather
> > detrimental to a couple of apartment complexes each year... No matter
> > how many times you warn them, some people just do not understand...
05-10-2006, 09:33 AM
#163
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Re: OT BioDiesel
Sure, but everyone has their own little soap box to stand on, don't they?
;^)
Damn right I'm being sarcastic. Electricity in Colorado is made from coal.
You want to drive by one of the power plants, when it is running wide open
throttle to generate clean power for the sunny and unpolluted Rocky Mountain
states. We had those commercials in New England too, set to music.
Earle
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4461A924.EB14CDA7@***.net...
> I'm sure Earle was hitting you with a little sarcasm. I remember
> the commercials for the new clean air homes in Southern California,
> about when we got a nuclear plates in the early fifties. and we all
> converted to next to useless ceiling heat, with no gas stoves or water
> heaters. Then the environmentalist wackos got to work driving this too
> cheap to meter electricity out through the roof.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Grumman-581 wrote:
> >
> > "Safe and clean electrical heat"? Surely you're not so stupid that
> > you believe that! Every source of heat has it's risks... As if
> > electrical fires are enough of a risk, just consider the concept of
> > freezing your butt off because of a power outage... I responsible
> > house design will have both gas and electricity... Each serve their
> > own purposes and can somewhat act as a backup for the other in
> > emergencies... I would hazard to guess that more people are killed
> > each year using electrical power to heat their homes than are killed
> > from heating with gas... Seems like every year I hear about a few
> > fires from electrical heating... I can't recall the last time I heard
> > of any gas fires...On the other hand, it seems that BBQing (i.e.
> > charcoal and starter fluid) on apartment balconies is rather
> > detrimental to a couple of apartment complexes each year... No matter
> > how many times you warn them, some people just do not understand...
;^)
Damn right I'm being sarcastic. Electricity in Colorado is made from coal.
You want to drive by one of the power plants, when it is running wide open
throttle to generate clean power for the sunny and unpolluted Rocky Mountain
states. We had those commercials in New England too, set to music.
Earle
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4461A924.EB14CDA7@***.net...
> I'm sure Earle was hitting you with a little sarcasm. I remember
> the commercials for the new clean air homes in Southern California,
> about when we got a nuclear plates in the early fifties. and we all
> converted to next to useless ceiling heat, with no gas stoves or water
> heaters. Then the environmentalist wackos got to work driving this too
> cheap to meter electricity out through the roof.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Grumman-581 wrote:
> >
> > "Safe and clean electrical heat"? Surely you're not so stupid that
> > you believe that! Every source of heat has it's risks... As if
> > electrical fires are enough of a risk, just consider the concept of
> > freezing your butt off because of a power outage... I responsible
> > house design will have both gas and electricity... Each serve their
> > own purposes and can somewhat act as a backup for the other in
> > emergencies... I would hazard to guess that more people are killed
> > each year using electrical power to heat their homes than are killed
> > from heating with gas... Seems like every year I hear about a few
> > fires from electrical heating... I can't recall the last time I heard
> > of any gas fires...On the other hand, it seems that BBQing (i.e.
> > charcoal and starter fluid) on apartment balconies is rather
> > detrimental to a couple of apartment complexes each year... No matter
> > how many times you warn them, some people just do not understand...
05-10-2006, 10:54 AM
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Re: OT BioDiesel
"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in
news:44615d08$0$6055$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m:
> When I was young and foolish, I bought plans for a home sized used
> motor oil furnace, from the Mother Earth News. My eyes bugged out
> of my head when I read them. You were supposed to use a manual
> valve and a home made "nozzle", to control the drip rate of the
> oil, as it dropped on pieces of fire brick, placed on a burner,
> made out of a frying pan. You got the fire going with kerosene or
> barbecue lighter fluid. I am still alive. That means I must not
> have made the thing.
If you had made it, it would have worked. Years back we had a
commercial fuel oil heater made exactly as you describe, it worked to
perfection and heated one end of our house, the wood stove in the
kitchen heated the other end. Unlike the one you describe, ours did
have a fairly elaborate chimmney to exhaust the fumes.
news:44615d08$0$6055$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m:
> When I was young and foolish, I bought plans for a home sized used
> motor oil furnace, from the Mother Earth News. My eyes bugged out
> of my head when I read them. You were supposed to use a manual
> valve and a home made "nozzle", to control the drip rate of the
> oil, as it dropped on pieces of fire brick, placed on a burner,
> made out of a frying pan. You got the fire going with kerosene or
> barbecue lighter fluid. I am still alive. That means I must not
> have made the thing.
If you had made it, it would have worked. Years back we had a
commercial fuel oil heater made exactly as you describe, it worked to
perfection and heated one end of our house, the wood stove in the
kitchen heated the other end. Unlike the one you describe, ours did
have a fairly elaborate chimmney to exhaust the fumes.
05-10-2006, 10:54 AM
#165
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Re: OT BioDiesel
"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in
news:44615d08$0$6055$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m:
> When I was young and foolish, I bought plans for a home sized used
> motor oil furnace, from the Mother Earth News. My eyes bugged out
> of my head when I read them. You were supposed to use a manual
> valve and a home made "nozzle", to control the drip rate of the
> oil, as it dropped on pieces of fire brick, placed on a burner,
> made out of a frying pan. You got the fire going with kerosene or
> barbecue lighter fluid. I am still alive. That means I must not
> have made the thing.
If you had made it, it would have worked. Years back we had a
commercial fuel oil heater made exactly as you describe, it worked to
perfection and heated one end of our house, the wood stove in the
kitchen heated the other end. Unlike the one you describe, ours did
have a fairly elaborate chimmney to exhaust the fumes.
news:44615d08$0$6055$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m:
> When I was young and foolish, I bought plans for a home sized used
> motor oil furnace, from the Mother Earth News. My eyes bugged out
> of my head when I read them. You were supposed to use a manual
> valve and a home made "nozzle", to control the drip rate of the
> oil, as it dropped on pieces of fire brick, placed on a burner,
> made out of a frying pan. You got the fire going with kerosene or
> barbecue lighter fluid. I am still alive. That means I must not
> have made the thing.
If you had made it, it would have worked. Years back we had a
commercial fuel oil heater made exactly as you describe, it worked to
perfection and heated one end of our house, the wood stove in the
kitchen heated the other end. Unlike the one you describe, ours did
have a fairly elaborate chimmney to exhaust the fumes.
05-10-2006, 10:54 AM
#166
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Re: OT BioDiesel
"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in
news:44615d08$0$6055$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m:
> When I was young and foolish, I bought plans for a home sized used
> motor oil furnace, from the Mother Earth News. My eyes bugged out
> of my head when I read them. You were supposed to use a manual
> valve and a home made "nozzle", to control the drip rate of the
> oil, as it dropped on pieces of fire brick, placed on a burner,
> made out of a frying pan. You got the fire going with kerosene or
> barbecue lighter fluid. I am still alive. That means I must not
> have made the thing.
If you had made it, it would have worked. Years back we had a
commercial fuel oil heater made exactly as you describe, it worked to
perfection and heated one end of our house, the wood stove in the
kitchen heated the other end. Unlike the one you describe, ours did
have a fairly elaborate chimmney to exhaust the fumes.
news:44615d08$0$6055$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m:
> When I was young and foolish, I bought plans for a home sized used
> motor oil furnace, from the Mother Earth News. My eyes bugged out
> of my head when I read them. You were supposed to use a manual
> valve and a home made "nozzle", to control the drip rate of the
> oil, as it dropped on pieces of fire brick, placed on a burner,
> made out of a frying pan. You got the fire going with kerosene or
> barbecue lighter fluid. I am still alive. That means I must not
> have made the thing.
If you had made it, it would have worked. Years back we had a
commercial fuel oil heater made exactly as you describe, it worked to
perfection and heated one end of our house, the wood stove in the
kitchen heated the other end. Unlike the one you describe, ours did
have a fairly elaborate chimmney to exhaust the fumes.
05-10-2006, 11:57 AM
#167
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Re: OT BioDiesel
"XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97BF506C24EF7xs11eyahoocom@70.169.32.36...
> "Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in
> news:44615d08$0$6055$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m:
>
> > When I was young and foolish, I bought plans for a home sized used
> > motor oil furnace, from the Mother Earth News. My eyes bugged out
> > of my head when I read them. You were supposed to use a manual
> > valve and a home made "nozzle", to control the drip rate of the
> > oil, as it dropped on pieces of fire brick, placed on a burner,
> > made out of a frying pan. You got the fire going with kerosene or
> > barbecue lighter fluid. I am still alive. That means I must not
> > have made the thing.
>
> If you had made it, it would have worked. Years back we had a
> commercial fuel oil heater made exactly as you describe, it worked to
> perfection and heated one end of our house, the wood stove in the
> kitchen heated the other end. Unlike the one you describe, ours did
> have a fairly elaborate chimmney to exhaust the fumes.
>
Heh, did it have a safety system, to shut off the flow of fuel in the event
of the fire going out? Because if it didn't, it was a time bomb, that only
didn't go off, because of dumb luck.
Earle
news:Xns97BF506C24EF7xs11eyahoocom@70.169.32.36...
> "Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in
> news:44615d08$0$6055$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m:
>
> > When I was young and foolish, I bought plans for a home sized used
> > motor oil furnace, from the Mother Earth News. My eyes bugged out
> > of my head when I read them. You were supposed to use a manual
> > valve and a home made "nozzle", to control the drip rate of the
> > oil, as it dropped on pieces of fire brick, placed on a burner,
> > made out of a frying pan. You got the fire going with kerosene or
> > barbecue lighter fluid. I am still alive. That means I must not
> > have made the thing.
>
> If you had made it, it would have worked. Years back we had a
> commercial fuel oil heater made exactly as you describe, it worked to
> perfection and heated one end of our house, the wood stove in the
> kitchen heated the other end. Unlike the one you describe, ours did
> have a fairly elaborate chimmney to exhaust the fumes.
>
Heh, did it have a safety system, to shut off the flow of fuel in the event
of the fire going out? Because if it didn't, it was a time bomb, that only
didn't go off, because of dumb luck.
Earle
05-10-2006, 11:57 AM
#168
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Re: OT BioDiesel
"XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97BF506C24EF7xs11eyahoocom@70.169.32.36...
> "Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in
> news:44615d08$0$6055$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m:
>
> > When I was young and foolish, I bought plans for a home sized used
> > motor oil furnace, from the Mother Earth News. My eyes bugged out
> > of my head when I read them. You were supposed to use a manual
> > valve and a home made "nozzle", to control the drip rate of the
> > oil, as it dropped on pieces of fire brick, placed on a burner,
> > made out of a frying pan. You got the fire going with kerosene or
> > barbecue lighter fluid. I am still alive. That means I must not
> > have made the thing.
>
> If you had made it, it would have worked. Years back we had a
> commercial fuel oil heater made exactly as you describe, it worked to
> perfection and heated one end of our house, the wood stove in the
> kitchen heated the other end. Unlike the one you describe, ours did
> have a fairly elaborate chimmney to exhaust the fumes.
>
Heh, did it have a safety system, to shut off the flow of fuel in the event
of the fire going out? Because if it didn't, it was a time bomb, that only
didn't go off, because of dumb luck.
Earle
news:Xns97BF506C24EF7xs11eyahoocom@70.169.32.36...
> "Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in
> news:44615d08$0$6055$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m:
>
> > When I was young and foolish, I bought plans for a home sized used
> > motor oil furnace, from the Mother Earth News. My eyes bugged out
> > of my head when I read them. You were supposed to use a manual
> > valve and a home made "nozzle", to control the drip rate of the
> > oil, as it dropped on pieces of fire brick, placed on a burner,
> > made out of a frying pan. You got the fire going with kerosene or
> > barbecue lighter fluid. I am still alive. That means I must not
> > have made the thing.
>
> If you had made it, it would have worked. Years back we had a
> commercial fuel oil heater made exactly as you describe, it worked to
> perfection and heated one end of our house, the wood stove in the
> kitchen heated the other end. Unlike the one you describe, ours did
> have a fairly elaborate chimmney to exhaust the fumes.
>
Heh, did it have a safety system, to shut off the flow of fuel in the event
of the fire going out? Because if it didn't, it was a time bomb, that only
didn't go off, because of dumb luck.
Earle
05-10-2006, 11:57 AM
#169
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Re: OT BioDiesel
"XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97BF506C24EF7xs11eyahoocom@70.169.32.36...
> "Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in
> news:44615d08$0$6055$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m:
>
> > When I was young and foolish, I bought plans for a home sized used
> > motor oil furnace, from the Mother Earth News. My eyes bugged out
> > of my head when I read them. You were supposed to use a manual
> > valve and a home made "nozzle", to control the drip rate of the
> > oil, as it dropped on pieces of fire brick, placed on a burner,
> > made out of a frying pan. You got the fire going with kerosene or
> > barbecue lighter fluid. I am still alive. That means I must not
> > have made the thing.
>
> If you had made it, it would have worked. Years back we had a
> commercial fuel oil heater made exactly as you describe, it worked to
> perfection and heated one end of our house, the wood stove in the
> kitchen heated the other end. Unlike the one you describe, ours did
> have a fairly elaborate chimmney to exhaust the fumes.
>
Heh, did it have a safety system, to shut off the flow of fuel in the event
of the fire going out? Because if it didn't, it was a time bomb, that only
didn't go off, because of dumb luck.
Earle
news:Xns97BF506C24EF7xs11eyahoocom@70.169.32.36...
> "Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in
> news:44615d08$0$6055$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m:
>
> > When I was young and foolish, I bought plans for a home sized used
> > motor oil furnace, from the Mother Earth News. My eyes bugged out
> > of my head when I read them. You were supposed to use a manual
> > valve and a home made "nozzle", to control the drip rate of the
> > oil, as it dropped on pieces of fire brick, placed on a burner,
> > made out of a frying pan. You got the fire going with kerosene or
> > barbecue lighter fluid. I am still alive. That means I must not
> > have made the thing.
>
> If you had made it, it would have worked. Years back we had a
> commercial fuel oil heater made exactly as you describe, it worked to
> perfection and heated one end of our house, the wood stove in the
> kitchen heated the other end. Unlike the one you describe, ours did
> have a fairly elaborate chimmney to exhaust the fumes.
>
Heh, did it have a safety system, to shut off the flow of fuel in the event
of the fire going out? Because if it didn't, it was a time bomb, that only
didn't go off, because of dumb luck.
Earle
05-10-2006, 04:39 PM
#170
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Re: OT BioDiesel
Guess what happens when you fill a tank under eight hundred pounds
at the heavy ends? Of course it takes energy to pump it in from the
Tanker. And of course that tanker didn't transport that seventy three
bucks for a forty gallon barrel for free.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> "This is done by heating the crude oil to a temperature at which much of it
> will boil." How? Solar power?
at the heavy ends? Of course it takes energy to pump it in from the
Tanker. And of course that tanker didn't transport that seventy three
bucks for a forty gallon barrel for free.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> "This is done by heating the crude oil to a temperature at which much of it
> will boil." How? Solar power?