Re: This might not have been a good idea, but...
 

No, you just called them heroes. I simply stated the actions they took. I
have to agree with some of the other posters that this situation could have
turned out bad. But all of us have done something, that in hind sight was a
bad decision (sticking our legs or arms out). Bill I just called your
statement ridiculous, regardless of what we think is right or wrong, the
FACT is that people get involved. And YES they do try to grab a vehicle to
stop a roll. And if you don't think that one 200lb man can stop a Jeep from
rolling then you have not watched a single EROCC, UROC, or NUROC
competition. Take a look at the guy on the tow strap, he is the life line
of the rig. Now that is the safe way, jumping on the bumper is not.
However, it DOES happen and it DOES work.

Daren

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3FA4571A.9F5A9E88@cox.net...
> And you called them heroes. What would have called them if the car
> had rolled over them? Darwin selection?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> D McMorris wrote:
> >
> > Horse Hockey bill,
> >
> > I've had two different instances at Tellico where people from the crown
> > jumped onto the front of my Jeep in order to keep it from rolling. Once
on
> > Slick Rock and once on School Bus. I'm not saying it's the smart thing
for
> > them to do, but spectators are ALWAYS wanting in on the action. As an
EROCC
> > official that's one of my biggest problems, crowd intervention.
Adrenalin
> > does strange things to some people.
> >
> > Daren

Re: This might not have been a good idea, but...
 

No, you just called them heroes. I simply stated the actions they took. I
have to agree with some of the other posters that this situation could have
turned out bad. But all of us have done something, that in hind sight was a
bad decision (sticking our legs or arms out). Bill I just called your
statement ridiculous, regardless of what we think is right or wrong, the
FACT is that people get involved. And YES they do try to grab a vehicle to
stop a roll. And if you don't think that one 200lb man can stop a Jeep from
rolling then you have not watched a single EROCC, UROC, or NUROC
competition. Take a look at the guy on the tow strap, he is the life line
of the rig. Now that is the safe way, jumping on the bumper is not.
However, it DOES happen and it DOES work.

Daren

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3FA4571A.9F5A9E88@cox.net...
> And you called them heroes. What would have called them if the car
> had rolled over them? Darwin selection?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> D McMorris wrote:
> >
> > Horse Hockey bill,
> >
> > I've had two different instances at Tellico where people from the crown
> > jumped onto the front of my Jeep in order to keep it from rolling. Once
on
> > Slick Rock and once on School Bus. I'm not saying it's the smart thing
for
> > them to do, but spectators are ALWAYS wanting in on the action. As an
EROCC
> > official that's one of my biggest problems, crowd intervention.
Adrenalin
> > does strange things to some people.
> >
> > Daren

Re: This might not have been a good idea, but...
 

No, you just called them heroes. I simply stated the actions they took. I
have to agree with some of the other posters that this situation could have
turned out bad. But all of us have done something, that in hind sight was a
bad decision (sticking our legs or arms out). Bill I just called your
statement ridiculous, regardless of what we think is right or wrong, the
FACT is that people get involved. And YES they do try to grab a vehicle to
stop a roll. And if you don't think that one 200lb man can stop a Jeep from
rolling then you have not watched a single EROCC, UROC, or NUROC
competition. Take a look at the guy on the tow strap, he is the life line
of the rig. Now that is the safe way, jumping on the bumper is not.
However, it DOES happen and it DOES work.

Daren

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3FA4571A.9F5A9E88@cox.net...
> And you called them heroes. What would have called them if the car
> had rolled over them? Darwin selection?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> D McMorris wrote:
> >
> > Horse Hockey bill,
> >
> > I've had two different instances at Tellico where people from the crown
> > jumped onto the front of my Jeep in order to keep it from rolling. Once
on
> > Slick Rock and once on School Bus. I'm not saying it's the smart thing
for
> > them to do, but spectators are ALWAYS wanting in on the action. As an
EROCC
> > official that's one of my biggest problems, crowd intervention.
Adrenalin
> > does strange things to some people.
> >
> > Daren

Re: This might not have been a good idea, but...
 

"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:SmYob.51312$iq3.51219@okepread01...
> Jay Stuler did pass the time by typing:
> > "travis" wrote ...
> > *snip*
> >>
> >> Time to put a *REAL* roll bar on my shopping list along with some
> >> upgraded seatbelts.
> >
> > Forgive my ignorance, but what's the difference between a "real" roll
bar
> > and that one? I assume that one is stock and you don't think it would
> > protect as well? What would you replace it with then?
>
> The one you have might not protect you in a serious rollover.
>
> Take a look at the two ruts you were in. Picture what would happen if the
> rollbar was to go in one rut and the windshield, the other. That big hump
> of dirt is going to be paying you a real personal visit.

By "you" I guess you're referring to "him" and not "me".
Yes of course a full roll cage is the way to go but he said replace it with
a roll "bar".
I was wondering what the difference is between one roll "bar" and the stock.

Re: This might not have been a good idea, but...
 

"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:SmYob.51312$iq3.51219@okepread01...
> Jay Stuler did pass the time by typing:
> > "travis" wrote ...
> > *snip*
> >>
> >> Time to put a *REAL* roll bar on my shopping list along with some
> >> upgraded seatbelts.
> >
> > Forgive my ignorance, but what's the difference between a "real" roll
bar
> > and that one? I assume that one is stock and you don't think it would
> > protect as well? What would you replace it with then?
>
> The one you have might not protect you in a serious rollover.
>
> Take a look at the two ruts you were in. Picture what would happen if the
> rollbar was to go in one rut and the windshield, the other. That big hump
> of dirt is going to be paying you a real personal visit.

By "you" I guess you're referring to "him" and not "me".
Yes of course a full roll cage is the way to go but he said replace it with
a roll "bar".
I was wondering what the difference is between one roll "bar" and the stock.

Re: This might not have been a good idea, but...
 

"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:SmYob.51312$iq3.51219@okepread01...
> Jay Stuler did pass the time by typing:
> > "travis" wrote ...
> > *snip*
> >>
> >> Time to put a *REAL* roll bar on my shopping list along with some
> >> upgraded seatbelts.
> >
> > Forgive my ignorance, but what's the difference between a "real" roll
bar
> > and that one? I assume that one is stock and you don't think it would
> > protect as well? What would you replace it with then?
>
> The one you have might not protect you in a serious rollover.
>
> Take a look at the two ruts you were in. Picture what would happen if the
> rollbar was to go in one rut and the windshield, the other. That big hump
> of dirt is going to be paying you a real personal visit.

By "you" I guess you're referring to "him" and not "me".
Yes of course a full roll cage is the way to go but he said replace it with
a roll "bar".
I was wondering what the difference is between one roll "bar" and the stock.

Re: This might not have been a good idea, but...
 

Hmmm... you're right! They have flat head 4s, too. And they can't exceed
45mph. LOL
:-D
--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
enough..."
"4x4" in caps is "$X$"


"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:bo1o4801dk5@enews1.newsguy.com...
> Wait a minute, as defined by Bill, "Real Jeeps" don't have roll bars, do
> they?
>
>
> "Jay Stuler" <no@no.thanks> wrote in message
> news:bo1jb9$eu0$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> >
> > "travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:b0a8qv4jiu64quafimpuk5f2239n9ektvt@4ax.com...
> > *snip*
> > >
> > > Time to put a *REAL* roll bar on my shopping list along with some
> > > upgraded seatbelts.
> >
> > Forgive my ignorance, but what's the difference between a "real" roll
bar
> > and that one? I assume that one is stock and you don't think it would
> > protect as well? What would you replace it with then?
> >
> >
>
>

Re: This might not have been a good idea, but...
 

Hmmm... you're right! They have flat head 4s, too. And they can't exceed
45mph. LOL
:-D
--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
enough..."
"4x4" in caps is "$X$"


"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:bo1o4801dk5@enews1.newsguy.com...
> Wait a minute, as defined by Bill, "Real Jeeps" don't have roll bars, do
> they?
>
>
> "Jay Stuler" <no@no.thanks> wrote in message
> news:bo1jb9$eu0$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> >
> > "travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:b0a8qv4jiu64quafimpuk5f2239n9ektvt@4ax.com...
> > *snip*
> > >
> > > Time to put a *REAL* roll bar on my shopping list along with some
> > > upgraded seatbelts.
> >
> > Forgive my ignorance, but what's the difference between a "real" roll
bar
> > and that one? I assume that one is stock and you don't think it would
> > protect as well? What would you replace it with then?
> >
> >
>
>

Re: This might not have been a good idea, but...
 

Hmmm... you're right! They have flat head 4s, too. And they can't exceed
45mph. LOL
:-D
--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98
"You can do any job in the world with the wrong tool if you try hard
enough..."
"4x4" in caps is "$X$"


"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorgenospam@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:bo1o4801dk5@enews1.newsguy.com...
> Wait a minute, as defined by Bill, "Real Jeeps" don't have roll bars, do
> they?
>
>
> "Jay Stuler" <no@no.thanks> wrote in message
> news:bo1jb9$eu0$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> >
> > "travis" <travist34removethis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:b0a8qv4jiu64quafimpuk5f2239n9ektvt@4ax.com...
> > *snip*
> > >
> > > Time to put a *REAL* roll bar on my shopping list along with some
> > > upgraded seatbelts.
> >
> > Forgive my ignorance, but what's the difference between a "real" roll
bar
> > and that one? I assume that one is stock and you don't think it would
> > protect as well? What would you replace it with then?
> >
> >
>
>

Re: This might not have been a good idea, but...
 

Jay Stuler did pass the time by typing:
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:SmYob.51312$iq3.51219@okepread01...
>> Jay Stuler did pass the time by typing:
>>> "travis" wrote ...
>>> *snip*
>>>>
>>>> Time to put a *REAL* roll bar on my shopping list along with some
>>>> upgraded seatbelts.
>>>
>>> Forgive my ignorance, but what's the difference between a "real" roll bar
>>> and that one? I assume that one is stock and you don't think it would
>>> protect as well? What would you replace it with then?
>>
>> The one you have might not protect you in a serious rollover.
>>
>> Take a look at the two ruts you were in. Picture what would happen if the
>> rollbar was to go in one rut and the windshield, the other. That big hump
>> of dirt is going to be paying you a real personal visit.
>
> By "you" I guess you're referring to "him" and not "me".

Yep

> Yes of course a full roll cage is the way to go but he said replace it with
> a roll "bar".
> I was wondering what the difference is between one roll "bar" and the stock.

Never actually looked. Most of the aftermarket parts look to be made of larger
stock with more cross bracing.

--
DougW