Michigan Jeepers Loose member to strapping accident..
10-12-2004, 06:37 PM
#31
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Re: Michigan Jeepers Loose member to strapping accident..
A dowel of 2inches is a small tree with the bark peeled off!! haha
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:zLidnQ7ZT8XJ1PHcRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
>I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed us a
> different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of Strap 1
> through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of Strap
> 1,
> essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will break
> inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
>
> I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should have a
> minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times and have
> yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the dowel out
> and the two straps instantly come apart.
>
> I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure some
> members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
>> The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be) looped
>> through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so the
> straps
>> can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without the
>> dowel,
>> they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due to the
>> force of the pull.
>>
>> Jerry
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>> "aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
>> news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
>> > Very sad....
>> >
>> > I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but recently
>> > a
>> > wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel to
>> > connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the dowel
>> > would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have the
>> > weight/inertia to become a projectile.
>> >
>> > Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
>> >
>> >
>> > In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
>> > "Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> >> This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been shed....I
>> >> don't
>> >> know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
>> >>
>> >> I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on tugging and
>> >> what
>> >> to use and not to use...
>> >> and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
> cleavis....
>> >> I
>> >> know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this happen in
> my
>> >> presence as it has really opened my eyes...
>> >>
>> >> God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
>> >> you are in our prayers....
>> >> Jeff
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
>> >> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
>> >> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous animals...
>> >> >
>> >>
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
>> >> 6753&p=1
>> >> > --
>> >> > Gene
>> >> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> > o_o_o_o
>> > /| ,[_____],
>> > |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
>> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
>>
>>
>
>
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:zLidnQ7ZT8XJ1PHcRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
>I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed us a
> different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of Strap 1
> through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of Strap
> 1,
> essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will break
> inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
>
> I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should have a
> minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times and have
> yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the dowel out
> and the two straps instantly come apart.
>
> I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure some
> members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
>> The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be) looped
>> through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so the
> straps
>> can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without the
>> dowel,
>> they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due to the
>> force of the pull.
>>
>> Jerry
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>> "aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
>> news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
>> > Very sad....
>> >
>> > I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but recently
>> > a
>> > wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel to
>> > connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the dowel
>> > would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have the
>> > weight/inertia to become a projectile.
>> >
>> > Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
>> >
>> >
>> > In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
>> > "Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> >> This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been shed....I
>> >> don't
>> >> know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
>> >>
>> >> I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on tugging and
>> >> what
>> >> to use and not to use...
>> >> and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
> cleavis....
>> >> I
>> >> know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this happen in
> my
>> >> presence as it has really opened my eyes...
>> >>
>> >> God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
>> >> you are in our prayers....
>> >> Jeff
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
>> >> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
>> >> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous animals...
>> >> >
>> >>
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
>> >> 6753&p=1
>> >> > --
>> >> > Gene
>> >> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> > o_o_o_o
>> > /| ,[_____],
>> > |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
>> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
>>
>>
>
>
10-12-2004, 07:52 PM
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Re: Michigan Jeepers Loose member to strapping accident..
Mark Smith...
http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
>
> You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> between them so you can pry them apart.
>
> Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding then
> feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
> locked together loops.
>
> Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure. In
> my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped. Hard!.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed us a
> > different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of Strap
1
> > through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
Strap 1,
> > essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
break
> > inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> >
> > I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should have a
> > minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times and
have
> > yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the dowel
out
> > and the two straps instantly come apart.
> >
> > I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure some
> > members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> > > The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be) looped
> > > through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so the
> > straps
> > > can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without the
dowel,
> > > they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due to
the
> > > force of the pull.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > "aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> > > news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> > > > Very sad....
> > > >
> > > > I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
recently a
> > > > wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel to
> > > > connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
dowel
> > > > would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have the
> > > > weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> > > >
> > > > Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> > > > "Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
shed....I
> > > >> don't
> > > >> know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on tugging
and
> > > >> what
> > > >> to use and not to use...
> > > >> and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
> > cleavis....
> > > >> I
> > > >> know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this happen
in
> > my
> > > >> presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> > > >>
> > > >> God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> > > >> you are in our prayers....
> > > >> Jeff
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> > > >> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > > >> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
animals...
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> >
http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> > > >> 6753&p=1
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > Gene
> > > >> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > >
> > >
http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
>
> You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> between them so you can pry them apart.
>
> Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding then
> feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
> locked together loops.
>
> Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure. In
> my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped. Hard!.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed us a
> > different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of Strap
1
> > through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
Strap 1,
> > essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
break
> > inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> >
> > I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should have a
> > minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times and
have
> > yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the dowel
out
> > and the two straps instantly come apart.
> >
> > I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure some
> > members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> > > The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be) looped
> > > through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so the
> > straps
> > > can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without the
dowel,
> > > they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due to
the
> > > force of the pull.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > "aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> > > news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> > > > Very sad....
> > > >
> > > > I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
recently a
> > > > wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel to
> > > > connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
dowel
> > > > would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have the
> > > > weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> > > >
> > > > Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> > > > "Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
shed....I
> > > >> don't
> > > >> know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on tugging
and
> > > >> what
> > > >> to use and not to use...
> > > >> and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
> > cleavis....
> > > >> I
> > > >> know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this happen
in
> > my
> > > >> presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> > > >>
> > > >> God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> > > >> you are in our prayers....
> > > >> Jeff
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> > > >> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > > >> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
animals...
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> >
http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> > > >> 6753&p=1
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > Gene
> > > >> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > >
> > >
10-12-2004, 07:52 PM
#33
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Posts: n/a
Re: Michigan Jeepers Loose member to strapping accident..
Mark Smith...
http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
>
> You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> between them so you can pry them apart.
>
> Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding then
> feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
> locked together loops.
>
> Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure. In
> my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped. Hard!.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed us a
> > different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of Strap
1
> > through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
Strap 1,
> > essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
break
> > inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> >
> > I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should have a
> > minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times and
have
> > yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the dowel
out
> > and the two straps instantly come apart.
> >
> > I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure some
> > members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> > > The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be) looped
> > > through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so the
> > straps
> > > can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without the
dowel,
> > > they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due to
the
> > > force of the pull.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > "aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> > > news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> > > > Very sad....
> > > >
> > > > I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
recently a
> > > > wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel to
> > > > connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
dowel
> > > > would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have the
> > > > weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> > > >
> > > > Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> > > > "Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
shed....I
> > > >> don't
> > > >> know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on tugging
and
> > > >> what
> > > >> to use and not to use...
> > > >> and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
> > cleavis....
> > > >> I
> > > >> know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this happen
in
> > my
> > > >> presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> > > >>
> > > >> God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> > > >> you are in our prayers....
> > > >> Jeff
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> > > >> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > > >> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
animals...
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> >
http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> > > >> 6753&p=1
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > Gene
> > > >> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > >
> > >
http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
>
> You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> between them so you can pry them apart.
>
> Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding then
> feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
> locked together loops.
>
> Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure. In
> my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped. Hard!.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed us a
> > different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of Strap
1
> > through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
Strap 1,
> > essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
break
> > inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> >
> > I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should have a
> > minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times and
have
> > yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the dowel
out
> > and the two straps instantly come apart.
> >
> > I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure some
> > members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> > > The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be) looped
> > > through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so the
> > straps
> > > can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without the
dowel,
> > > they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due to
the
> > > force of the pull.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > "aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> > > news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> > > > Very sad....
> > > >
> > > > I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
recently a
> > > > wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel to
> > > > connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
dowel
> > > > would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have the
> > > > weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> > > >
> > > > Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> > > > "Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
shed....I
> > > >> don't
> > > >> know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on tugging
and
> > > >> what
> > > >> to use and not to use...
> > > >> and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
> > cleavis....
> > > >> I
> > > >> know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this happen
in
> > my
> > > >> presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> > > >>
> > > >> God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> > > >> you are in our prayers....
> > > >> Jeff
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> > > >> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > > >> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
animals...
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> >
http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> > > >> 6753&p=1
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > Gene
> > > >> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > >
> > >
10-12-2004, 07:52 PM
#34
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Posts: n/a
Re: Michigan Jeepers Loose member to strapping accident..
Mark Smith...
http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
>
> You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> between them so you can pry them apart.
>
> Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding then
> feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
> locked together loops.
>
> Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure. In
> my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped. Hard!.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed us a
> > different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of Strap
1
> > through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
Strap 1,
> > essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
break
> > inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> >
> > I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should have a
> > minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times and
have
> > yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the dowel
out
> > and the two straps instantly come apart.
> >
> > I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure some
> > members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> > > The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be) looped
> > > through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so the
> > straps
> > > can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without the
dowel,
> > > they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due to
the
> > > force of the pull.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > "aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> > > news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> > > > Very sad....
> > > >
> > > > I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
recently a
> > > > wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel to
> > > > connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
dowel
> > > > would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have the
> > > > weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> > > >
> > > > Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> > > > "Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
shed....I
> > > >> don't
> > > >> know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on tugging
and
> > > >> what
> > > >> to use and not to use...
> > > >> and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
> > cleavis....
> > > >> I
> > > >> know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this happen
in
> > my
> > > >> presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> > > >>
> > > >> God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> > > >> you are in our prayers....
> > > >> Jeff
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> > > >> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > > >> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
animals...
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> >
http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> > > >> 6753&p=1
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > Gene
> > > >> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > >
> > >
http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
>
> You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> between them so you can pry them apart.
>
> Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding then
> feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
> locked together loops.
>
> Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure. In
> my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped. Hard!.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed us a
> > different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of Strap
1
> > through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
Strap 1,
> > essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
break
> > inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> >
> > I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should have a
> > minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times and
have
> > yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the dowel
out
> > and the two straps instantly come apart.
> >
> > I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure some
> > members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> > > The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be) looped
> > > through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so the
> > straps
> > > can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without the
dowel,
> > > they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due to
the
> > > force of the pull.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > "aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> > > news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> > > > Very sad....
> > > >
> > > > I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
recently a
> > > > wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel to
> > > > connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
dowel
> > > > would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have the
> > > > weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> > > >
> > > > Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> > > > "Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
shed....I
> > > >> don't
> > > >> know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on tugging
and
> > > >> what
> > > >> to use and not to use...
> > > >> and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
> > cleavis....
> > > >> I
> > > >> know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this happen
in
> > my
> > > >> presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> > > >>
> > > >> God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> > > >> you are in our prayers....
> > > >> Jeff
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> > > >> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > > >> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
animals...
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> >
http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> > > >> 6753&p=1
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > Gene
> > > >> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > >
> > >
10-13-2004, 10:42 AM
#35
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Michigan Jeepers Loose member to strapping accident..
Wow, that is freaking amazing!!!!
I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
Maybe he has a death wish?
Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick as
part of the structure?
My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are talking
an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I sure
as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
the equation!!!!!
That would just be suicidal. Literally.
I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how fast
and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
walls.
Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
Mike
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Mark Smith...
> http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
>
> Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> > He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
> >
> > You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> > between them so you can pry them apart.
> >
> > Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding then
> > feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
> > locked together loops.
> >
> > Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure. In
> > my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped. Hard!.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed us a
> > > different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of Strap
> 1
> > > through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
> Strap 1,
> > > essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
> break
> > > inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> > >
> > > I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should have a
> > > minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times and
> have
> > > yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the dowel
> out
> > > and the two straps instantly come apart.
> > >
> > > I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure some
> > > members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> > >
> > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> > > > The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be) looped
> > > > through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so the
> > > straps
> > > > can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without the
> dowel,
> > > > they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due to
> the
> > > > force of the pull.
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > > "aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> > > > news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> > > > > Very sad....
> > > > >
> > > > > I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
> recently a
> > > > > wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel to
> > > > > connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
> dowel
> > > > > would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have the
> > > > > weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> > > > > "Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
> shed....I
> > > > >> don't
> > > > >> know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on tugging
> and
> > > > >> what
> > > > >> to use and not to use...
> > > > >> and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
> > > cleavis....
> > > > >> I
> > > > >> know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this happen
> in
> > > my
> > > > >> presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> > > > >> you are in our prayers....
> > > > >> Jeff
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> > > > >> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > > > >> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
> animals...
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > >
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> > > > >> 6753&p=1
> > > > >> > --
> > > > >> > Gene
> > > > >> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > > |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > >
> > > >
I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
Maybe he has a death wish?
Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick as
part of the structure?
My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are talking
an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I sure
as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
the equation!!!!!
That would just be suicidal. Literally.
I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how fast
and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
walls.
Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
Mike
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Mark Smith...
> http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
>
> Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> > He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
> >
> > You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> > between them so you can pry them apart.
> >
> > Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding then
> > feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
> > locked together loops.
> >
> > Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure. In
> > my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped. Hard!.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed us a
> > > different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of Strap
> 1
> > > through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
> Strap 1,
> > > essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
> break
> > > inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> > >
> > > I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should have a
> > > minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times and
> have
> > > yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the dowel
> out
> > > and the two straps instantly come apart.
> > >
> > > I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure some
> > > members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> > >
> > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> > > > The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be) looped
> > > > through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so the
> > > straps
> > > > can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without the
> dowel,
> > > > they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due to
> the
> > > > force of the pull.
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > > "aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> > > > news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> > > > > Very sad....
> > > > >
> > > > > I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
> recently a
> > > > > wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel to
> > > > > connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
> dowel
> > > > > would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have the
> > > > > weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> > > > > "Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
> shed....I
> > > > >> don't
> > > > >> know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on tugging
> and
> > > > >> what
> > > > >> to use and not to use...
> > > > >> and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
> > > cleavis....
> > > > >> I
> > > > >> know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this happen
> in
> > > my
> > > > >> presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> > > > >> you are in our prayers....
> > > > >> Jeff
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> > > > >> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > > > >> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
> animals...
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > >
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> > > > >> 6753&p=1
> > > > >> > --
> > > > >> > Gene
> > > > >> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > > |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > >
> > > >
10-13-2004, 10:42 AM
#36
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Re: Michigan Jeepers Loose member to strapping accident..
Wow, that is freaking amazing!!!!
I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
Maybe he has a death wish?
Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick as
part of the structure?
My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are talking
an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I sure
as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
the equation!!!!!
That would just be suicidal. Literally.
I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how fast
and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
walls.
Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
Mike
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Mark Smith...
> http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
>
> Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> > He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
> >
> > You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> > between them so you can pry them apart.
> >
> > Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding then
> > feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
> > locked together loops.
> >
> > Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure. In
> > my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped. Hard!.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed us a
> > > different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of Strap
> 1
> > > through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
> Strap 1,
> > > essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
> break
> > > inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> > >
> > > I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should have a
> > > minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times and
> have
> > > yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the dowel
> out
> > > and the two straps instantly come apart.
> > >
> > > I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure some
> > > members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> > >
> > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> > > > The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be) looped
> > > > through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so the
> > > straps
> > > > can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without the
> dowel,
> > > > they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due to
> the
> > > > force of the pull.
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > > "aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> > > > news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> > > > > Very sad....
> > > > >
> > > > > I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
> recently a
> > > > > wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel to
> > > > > connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
> dowel
> > > > > would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have the
> > > > > weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> > > > > "Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
> shed....I
> > > > >> don't
> > > > >> know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on tugging
> and
> > > > >> what
> > > > >> to use and not to use...
> > > > >> and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
> > > cleavis....
> > > > >> I
> > > > >> know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this happen
> in
> > > my
> > > > >> presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> > > > >> you are in our prayers....
> > > > >> Jeff
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> > > > >> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > > > >> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
> animals...
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > >
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> > > > >> 6753&p=1
> > > > >> > --
> > > > >> > Gene
> > > > >> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > > |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > >
> > > >
I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
Maybe he has a death wish?
Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick as
part of the structure?
My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are talking
an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I sure
as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
the equation!!!!!
That would just be suicidal. Literally.
I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how fast
and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
walls.
Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
Mike
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Mark Smith...
> http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
>
> Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> > He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
> >
> > You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> > between them so you can pry them apart.
> >
> > Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding then
> > feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
> > locked together loops.
> >
> > Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure. In
> > my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped. Hard!.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed us a
> > > different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of Strap
> 1
> > > through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
> Strap 1,
> > > essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
> break
> > > inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> > >
> > > I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should have a
> > > minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times and
> have
> > > yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the dowel
> out
> > > and the two straps instantly come apart.
> > >
> > > I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure some
> > > members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> > >
> > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> > > > The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be) looped
> > > > through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so the
> > > straps
> > > > can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without the
> dowel,
> > > > they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due to
> the
> > > > force of the pull.
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > > "aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> > > > news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> > > > > Very sad....
> > > > >
> > > > > I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
> recently a
> > > > > wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel to
> > > > > connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
> dowel
> > > > > would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have the
> > > > > weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> > > > > "Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
> shed....I
> > > > >> don't
> > > > >> know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on tugging
> and
> > > > >> what
> > > > >> to use and not to use...
> > > > >> and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
> > > cleavis....
> > > > >> I
> > > > >> know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this happen
> in
> > > my
> > > > >> presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> > > > >> you are in our prayers....
> > > > >> Jeff
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> > > > >> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > > > >> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
> animals...
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > >
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> > > > >> 6753&p=1
> > > > >> > --
> > > > >> > Gene
> > > > >> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > > |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > >
> > > >
10-13-2004, 10:42 AM
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Re: Michigan Jeepers Loose member to strapping accident..
Wow, that is freaking amazing!!!!
I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
Maybe he has a death wish?
Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick as
part of the structure?
My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are talking
an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I sure
as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
the equation!!!!!
That would just be suicidal. Literally.
I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how fast
and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
walls.
Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
Mike
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Mark Smith...
> http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
>
> Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> > He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
> >
> > You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> > between them so you can pry them apart.
> >
> > Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding then
> > feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
> > locked together loops.
> >
> > Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure. In
> > my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped. Hard!.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed us a
> > > different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of Strap
> 1
> > > through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
> Strap 1,
> > > essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
> break
> > > inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> > >
> > > I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should have a
> > > minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times and
> have
> > > yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the dowel
> out
> > > and the two straps instantly come apart.
> > >
> > > I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure some
> > > members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> > >
> > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> > > > The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be) looped
> > > > through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so the
> > > straps
> > > > can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without the
> dowel,
> > > > they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due to
> the
> > > > force of the pull.
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > > "aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> > > > news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> > > > > Very sad....
> > > > >
> > > > > I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
> recently a
> > > > > wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel to
> > > > > connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
> dowel
> > > > > would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have the
> > > > > weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> > > > > "Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
> shed....I
> > > > >> don't
> > > > >> know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on tugging
> and
> > > > >> what
> > > > >> to use and not to use...
> > > > >> and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
> > > cleavis....
> > > > >> I
> > > > >> know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this happen
> in
> > > my
> > > > >> presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> > > > >> you are in our prayers....
> > > > >> Jeff
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> > > > >> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > > > >> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
> animals...
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > >
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> > > > >> 6753&p=1
> > > > >> > --
> > > > >> > Gene
> > > > >> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > > |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > >
> > > >
I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
Maybe he has a death wish?
Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick as
part of the structure?
My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are talking
an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I sure
as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
the equation!!!!!
That would just be suicidal. Literally.
I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how fast
and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
walls.
Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
Mike
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Mark Smith...
> http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
>
> Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> > He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
> >
> > You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> > between them so you can pry them apart.
> >
> > Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding then
> > feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
> > locked together loops.
> >
> > Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure. In
> > my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped. Hard!.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed us a
> > > different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of Strap
> 1
> > > through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
> Strap 1,
> > > essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
> break
> > > inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> > >
> > > I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should have a
> > > minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times and
> have
> > > yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the dowel
> out
> > > and the two straps instantly come apart.
> > >
> > > I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure some
> > > members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> > >
> > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> > > > The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be) looped
> > > > through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so the
> > > straps
> > > > can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without the
> dowel,
> > > > they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due to
> the
> > > > force of the pull.
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > > "aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> > > > news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> > > > > Very sad....
> > > > >
> > > > > I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
> recently a
> > > > > wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel to
> > > > > connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
> dowel
> > > > > would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have the
> > > > > weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> > > > > "Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
> shed....I
> > > > >> don't
> > > > >> know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on tugging
> and
> > > > >> what
> > > > >> to use and not to use...
> > > > >> and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
> > > cleavis....
> > > > >> I
> > > > >> know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this happen
> in
> > > my
> > > > >> presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> > > > >> you are in our prayers....
> > > > >> Jeff
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> > > > >> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > > > >> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
> animals...
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > >
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> > > > >> 6753&p=1
> > > > >> > --
> > > > >> > Gene
> > > > >> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > > |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > >
> > > >
10-13-2004, 11:17 AM
#38
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Michigan Jeepers Loose member to strapping accident..
I never did get my knot badge from scouts :-)
Can someone please provide a picture or diagram
to explain this method. for both straps and rope
Thanks in advance
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Down boy. I said that tongue-in-cheek. Mr. Smith demonstrated with a 2"
> hardwood dowel. How he instructed us is exactly how I said it, using a the
> dowel as a toggle through the loop of one of the straps. The dowel doesn't
> see impact forces. I never said he'd cut down a sapling and strip the bark
> off. It's just something you carry with you.
>
> It stuck with me because (a) he never looped a strap back on itself and (b)
> as soon as he pulled the dowel out, the straps came right apart without
> unlooping.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:416D3EDB.22505CF4@sympatico.ca...
>
>>Wow, that is freaking amazing!!!!
>>
>>I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
>>enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
>>
>>Maybe he has a death wish?
>>
>>Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
>>holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick as
>>part of the structure?
>>
>>My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
>>
>>The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
>>under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
>>hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are talking
>>an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
>>
>>So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
>>momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I sure
>>as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
>>the equation!!!!!
>>
>>That would just be suicidal. Literally.
>>
>>I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how fast
>>and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
>>Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
>>walls.
>>
>>Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>>Mark Smith...
>>>http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
>>>
>>>Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
>>>
>>>>He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
>>>>
>>>>You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
>>>>between them so you can pry them apart.
>>>>
>>>>Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding
>
> then
>
>>>>feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
>>>>locked together loops.
>>>>
>>>>Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure. In
>>>>my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped.
>
> Hard!.
>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>
>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed
>
> us a
>
>>>>>different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of
>
> Strap
>
>>>1
>>>
>>>>>through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
>>>
>>>Strap 1,
>>>
>>>>>essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
>>>
>>>break
>>>
>>>>>inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
>>>>>
>>>>>I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should have
>
> a
>
>>>>>minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times
>
> and
>
>>>have
>>>
>>>>>yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the
>
> dowel
>
>>>out
>>>
>>>>>and the two straps instantly come apart.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure
>
> some
>
>>>>>members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
>>>>>
>>>>>>The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be)
>
> looped
>
>>>>>>through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so
>
> the
>
>>>>>straps
>>>>>
>>>>>>can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without
>
> the
>
>>>dowel,
>>>
>>>>>>they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due
>
> to
>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>>force of the pull.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jerry
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>>>>"aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
>>>>>>
>
> news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
>
>>>>>>>Very sad....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
>>>
>>>recently a
>>>
>>>>>>>wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel
>
> to
>
>>>>>>>connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
>>>
>>>dowel
>>>
>>>>>>>would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have
>
> the
>
>>>>>>>weight/inertia to become a projectile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
>>>>>>>"Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
>>>
>>>shed....I
>>>
>>>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on
>
> tugging
>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>to use and not to use...
>>>>>>>>and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
>>>>>
>>>>>cleavis....
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this
>
> happen
>
>>>in
>>>
>>>>>my
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>presence as it has really opened my eyes...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
>>>>>>>>you are in our prayers....
>>>>>>>>Jeff
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03.. .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
>>>
>>>animals...
>>>
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
>
>>>>>>>>6753&p=1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>Gene
>>>>>>>>>Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>> o_o_o_o
>>>>>>> /| ,[_____],
>>>>>>> |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
>>>>>>> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
>
Can someone please provide a picture or diagram
to explain this method. for both straps and rope
Thanks in advance
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Down boy. I said that tongue-in-cheek. Mr. Smith demonstrated with a 2"
> hardwood dowel. How he instructed us is exactly how I said it, using a the
> dowel as a toggle through the loop of one of the straps. The dowel doesn't
> see impact forces. I never said he'd cut down a sapling and strip the bark
> off. It's just something you carry with you.
>
> It stuck with me because (a) he never looped a strap back on itself and (b)
> as soon as he pulled the dowel out, the straps came right apart without
> unlooping.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:416D3EDB.22505CF4@sympatico.ca...
>
>>Wow, that is freaking amazing!!!!
>>
>>I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
>>enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
>>
>>Maybe he has a death wish?
>>
>>Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
>>holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick as
>>part of the structure?
>>
>>My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
>>
>>The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
>>under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
>>hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are talking
>>an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
>>
>>So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
>>momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I sure
>>as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
>>the equation!!!!!
>>
>>That would just be suicidal. Literally.
>>
>>I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how fast
>>and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
>>Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
>>walls.
>>
>>Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>>Mark Smith...
>>>http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
>>>
>>>Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
>>>
>>>>He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
>>>>
>>>>You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
>>>>between them so you can pry them apart.
>>>>
>>>>Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding
>
> then
>
>>>>feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
>>>>locked together loops.
>>>>
>>>>Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure. In
>>>>my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped.
>
> Hard!.
>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>
>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed
>
> us a
>
>>>>>different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of
>
> Strap
>
>>>1
>>>
>>>>>through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
>>>
>>>Strap 1,
>>>
>>>>>essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
>>>
>>>break
>>>
>>>>>inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
>>>>>
>>>>>I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should have
>
> a
>
>>>>>minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times
>
> and
>
>>>have
>>>
>>>>>yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the
>
> dowel
>
>>>out
>>>
>>>>>and the two straps instantly come apart.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure
>
> some
>
>>>>>members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
>>>>>
>>>>>>The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be)
>
> looped
>
>>>>>>through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so
>
> the
>
>>>>>straps
>>>>>
>>>>>>can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without
>
> the
>
>>>dowel,
>>>
>>>>>>they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due
>
> to
>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>>force of the pull.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jerry
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>>>>"aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
>>>>>>
>
> news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
>
>>>>>>>Very sad....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
>>>
>>>recently a
>>>
>>>>>>>wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel
>
> to
>
>>>>>>>connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
>>>
>>>dowel
>>>
>>>>>>>would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have
>
> the
>
>>>>>>>weight/inertia to become a projectile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
>>>>>>>"Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
>>>
>>>shed....I
>>>
>>>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on
>
> tugging
>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>to use and not to use...
>>>>>>>>and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
>>>>>
>>>>>cleavis....
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this
>
> happen
>
>>>in
>>>
>>>>>my
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>presence as it has really opened my eyes...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
>>>>>>>>you are in our prayers....
>>>>>>>>Jeff
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03.. .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
>>>
>>>animals...
>>>
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
>
>>>>>>>>6753&p=1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>Gene
>>>>>>>>>Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>> o_o_o_o
>>>>>>> /| ,[_____],
>>>>>>> |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
>>>>>>> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
>
10-13-2004, 11:17 AM
#39
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Michigan Jeepers Loose member to strapping accident..
I never did get my knot badge from scouts :-)
Can someone please provide a picture or diagram
to explain this method. for both straps and rope
Thanks in advance
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Down boy. I said that tongue-in-cheek. Mr. Smith demonstrated with a 2"
> hardwood dowel. How he instructed us is exactly how I said it, using a the
> dowel as a toggle through the loop of one of the straps. The dowel doesn't
> see impact forces. I never said he'd cut down a sapling and strip the bark
> off. It's just something you carry with you.
>
> It stuck with me because (a) he never looped a strap back on itself and (b)
> as soon as he pulled the dowel out, the straps came right apart without
> unlooping.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:416D3EDB.22505CF4@sympatico.ca...
>
>>Wow, that is freaking amazing!!!!
>>
>>I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
>>enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
>>
>>Maybe he has a death wish?
>>
>>Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
>>holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick as
>>part of the structure?
>>
>>My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
>>
>>The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
>>under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
>>hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are talking
>>an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
>>
>>So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
>>momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I sure
>>as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
>>the equation!!!!!
>>
>>That would just be suicidal. Literally.
>>
>>I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how fast
>>and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
>>Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
>>walls.
>>
>>Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>>Mark Smith...
>>>http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
>>>
>>>Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
>>>
>>>>He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
>>>>
>>>>You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
>>>>between them so you can pry them apart.
>>>>
>>>>Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding
>
> then
>
>>>>feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
>>>>locked together loops.
>>>>
>>>>Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure. In
>>>>my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped.
>
> Hard!.
>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>
>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed
>
> us a
>
>>>>>different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of
>
> Strap
>
>>>1
>>>
>>>>>through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
>>>
>>>Strap 1,
>>>
>>>>>essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
>>>
>>>break
>>>
>>>>>inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
>>>>>
>>>>>I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should have
>
> a
>
>>>>>minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times
>
> and
>
>>>have
>>>
>>>>>yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the
>
> dowel
>
>>>out
>>>
>>>>>and the two straps instantly come apart.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure
>
> some
>
>>>>>members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
>>>>>
>>>>>>The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be)
>
> looped
>
>>>>>>through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so
>
> the
>
>>>>>straps
>>>>>
>>>>>>can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without
>
> the
>
>>>dowel,
>>>
>>>>>>they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due
>
> to
>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>>force of the pull.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jerry
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>>>>"aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
>>>>>>
>
> news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
>
>>>>>>>Very sad....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
>>>
>>>recently a
>>>
>>>>>>>wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel
>
> to
>
>>>>>>>connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
>>>
>>>dowel
>>>
>>>>>>>would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have
>
> the
>
>>>>>>>weight/inertia to become a projectile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
>>>>>>>"Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
>>>
>>>shed....I
>>>
>>>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on
>
> tugging
>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>to use and not to use...
>>>>>>>>and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
>>>>>
>>>>>cleavis....
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this
>
> happen
>
>>>in
>>>
>>>>>my
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>presence as it has really opened my eyes...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
>>>>>>>>you are in our prayers....
>>>>>>>>Jeff
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03.. .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
>>>
>>>animals...
>>>
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
>
>>>>>>>>6753&p=1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>Gene
>>>>>>>>>Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>> o_o_o_o
>>>>>>> /| ,[_____],
>>>>>>> |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
>>>>>>> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
>
Can someone please provide a picture or diagram
to explain this method. for both straps and rope
Thanks in advance
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Down boy. I said that tongue-in-cheek. Mr. Smith demonstrated with a 2"
> hardwood dowel. How he instructed us is exactly how I said it, using a the
> dowel as a toggle through the loop of one of the straps. The dowel doesn't
> see impact forces. I never said he'd cut down a sapling and strip the bark
> off. It's just something you carry with you.
>
> It stuck with me because (a) he never looped a strap back on itself and (b)
> as soon as he pulled the dowel out, the straps came right apart without
> unlooping.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:416D3EDB.22505CF4@sympatico.ca...
>
>>Wow, that is freaking amazing!!!!
>>
>>I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
>>enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
>>
>>Maybe he has a death wish?
>>
>>Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
>>holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick as
>>part of the structure?
>>
>>My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
>>
>>The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
>>under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
>>hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are talking
>>an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
>>
>>So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
>>momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I sure
>>as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
>>the equation!!!!!
>>
>>That would just be suicidal. Literally.
>>
>>I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how fast
>>and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
>>Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
>>walls.
>>
>>Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>>Mark Smith...
>>>http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
>>>
>>>Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
>>>
>>>>He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
>>>>
>>>>You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
>>>>between them so you can pry them apart.
>>>>
>>>>Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding
>
> then
>
>>>>feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
>>>>locked together loops.
>>>>
>>>>Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure. In
>>>>my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped.
>
> Hard!.
>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>
>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed
>
> us a
>
>>>>>different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of
>
> Strap
>
>>>1
>>>
>>>>>through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
>>>
>>>Strap 1,
>>>
>>>>>essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
>>>
>>>break
>>>
>>>>>inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
>>>>>
>>>>>I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should have
>
> a
>
>>>>>minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times
>
> and
>
>>>have
>>>
>>>>>yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the
>
> dowel
>
>>>out
>>>
>>>>>and the two straps instantly come apart.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure
>
> some
>
>>>>>members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
>>>>>
>>>>>>The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be)
>
> looped
>
>>>>>>through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so
>
> the
>
>>>>>straps
>>>>>
>>>>>>can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without
>
> the
>
>>>dowel,
>>>
>>>>>>they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due
>
> to
>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>>force of the pull.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jerry
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>>>>"aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
>>>>>>
>
> news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
>
>>>>>>>Very sad....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
>>>
>>>recently a
>>>
>>>>>>>wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel
>
> to
>
>>>>>>>connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
>>>
>>>dowel
>>>
>>>>>>>would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have
>
> the
>
>>>>>>>weight/inertia to become a projectile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
>>>>>>>"Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
>>>
>>>shed....I
>>>
>>>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on
>
> tugging
>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>to use and not to use...
>>>>>>>>and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
>>>>>
>>>>>cleavis....
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this
>
> happen
>
>>>in
>>>
>>>>>my
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>presence as it has really opened my eyes...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
>>>>>>>>you are in our prayers....
>>>>>>>>Jeff
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03.. .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
>>>
>>>animals...
>>>
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
>
>>>>>>>>6753&p=1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>Gene
>>>>>>>>>Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>> o_o_o_o
>>>>>>> /| ,[_____],
>>>>>>> |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
>>>>>>> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
>
10-13-2004, 11:17 AM
#40
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Michigan Jeepers Loose member to strapping accident..
I never did get my knot badge from scouts :-)
Can someone please provide a picture or diagram
to explain this method. for both straps and rope
Thanks in advance
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Down boy. I said that tongue-in-cheek. Mr. Smith demonstrated with a 2"
> hardwood dowel. How he instructed us is exactly how I said it, using a the
> dowel as a toggle through the loop of one of the straps. The dowel doesn't
> see impact forces. I never said he'd cut down a sapling and strip the bark
> off. It's just something you carry with you.
>
> It stuck with me because (a) he never looped a strap back on itself and (b)
> as soon as he pulled the dowel out, the straps came right apart without
> unlooping.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:416D3EDB.22505CF4@sympatico.ca...
>
>>Wow, that is freaking amazing!!!!
>>
>>I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
>>enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
>>
>>Maybe he has a death wish?
>>
>>Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
>>holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick as
>>part of the structure?
>>
>>My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
>>
>>The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
>>under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
>>hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are talking
>>an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
>>
>>So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
>>momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I sure
>>as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
>>the equation!!!!!
>>
>>That would just be suicidal. Literally.
>>
>>I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how fast
>>and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
>>Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
>>walls.
>>
>>Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>>Mark Smith...
>>>http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
>>>
>>>Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
>>>
>>>>He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
>>>>
>>>>You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
>>>>between them so you can pry them apart.
>>>>
>>>>Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding
>
> then
>
>>>>feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
>>>>locked together loops.
>>>>
>>>>Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure. In
>>>>my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped.
>
> Hard!.
>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>
>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed
>
> us a
>
>>>>>different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of
>
> Strap
>
>>>1
>>>
>>>>>through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
>>>
>>>Strap 1,
>>>
>>>>>essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
>>>
>>>break
>>>
>>>>>inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
>>>>>
>>>>>I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should have
>
> a
>
>>>>>minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times
>
> and
>
>>>have
>>>
>>>>>yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the
>
> dowel
>
>>>out
>>>
>>>>>and the two straps instantly come apart.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure
>
> some
>
>>>>>members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
>>>>>
>>>>>>The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be)
>
> looped
>
>>>>>>through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so
>
> the
>
>>>>>straps
>>>>>
>>>>>>can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without
>
> the
>
>>>dowel,
>>>
>>>>>>they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due
>
> to
>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>>force of the pull.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jerry
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>>>>"aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
>>>>>>
>
> news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
>
>>>>>>>Very sad....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
>>>
>>>recently a
>>>
>>>>>>>wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel
>
> to
>
>>>>>>>connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
>>>
>>>dowel
>>>
>>>>>>>would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have
>
> the
>
>>>>>>>weight/inertia to become a projectile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
>>>>>>>"Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
>>>
>>>shed....I
>>>
>>>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on
>
> tugging
>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>to use and not to use...
>>>>>>>>and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
>>>>>
>>>>>cleavis....
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this
>
> happen
>
>>>in
>>>
>>>>>my
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>presence as it has really opened my eyes...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
>>>>>>>>you are in our prayers....
>>>>>>>>Jeff
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03.. .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
>>>
>>>animals...
>>>
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
>
>>>>>>>>6753&p=1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>Gene
>>>>>>>>>Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>> o_o_o_o
>>>>>>> /| ,[_____],
>>>>>>> |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
>>>>>>> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
>
Can someone please provide a picture or diagram
to explain this method. for both straps and rope
Thanks in advance
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> Down boy. I said that tongue-in-cheek. Mr. Smith demonstrated with a 2"
> hardwood dowel. How he instructed us is exactly how I said it, using a the
> dowel as a toggle through the loop of one of the straps. The dowel doesn't
> see impact forces. I never said he'd cut down a sapling and strip the bark
> off. It's just something you carry with you.
>
> It stuck with me because (a) he never looped a strap back on itself and (b)
> as soon as he pulled the dowel out, the straps came right apart without
> unlooping.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:416D3EDB.22505CF4@sympatico.ca...
>
>>Wow, that is freaking amazing!!!!
>>
>>I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
>>enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
>>
>>Maybe he has a death wish?
>>
>>Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
>>holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick as
>>part of the structure?
>>
>>My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
>>
>>The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
>>under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
>>hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are talking
>>an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
>>
>>So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
>>momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I sure
>>as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
>>the equation!!!!!
>>
>>That would just be suicidal. Literally.
>>
>>I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how fast
>>and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
>>Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
>>walls.
>>
>>Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>>Mark Smith...
>>>http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
>>>
>>>Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
>>>
>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
>>>
>>>>He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
>>>>
>>>>You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
>>>>between them so you can pry them apart.
>>>>
>>>>Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding
>
> then
>
>>>>feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
>>>>locked together loops.
>>>>
>>>>Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure. In
>>>>my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped.
>
> Hard!.
>
>>>>Mike
>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>
>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed
>
> us a
>
>>>>>different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of
>
> Strap
>
>>>1
>>>
>>>>>through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
>>>
>>>Strap 1,
>>>
>>>>>essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
>>>
>>>break
>>>
>>>>>inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
>>>>>
>>>>>I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should have
>
> a
>
>>>>>minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times
>
> and
>
>>>have
>>>
>>>>>yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the
>
> dowel
>
>>>out
>>>
>>>>>and the two straps instantly come apart.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure
>
> some
>
>>>>>members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
>>>>>
>>>>>>The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be)
>
> looped
>
>>>>>>through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so
>
> the
>
>>>>>straps
>>>>>
>>>>>>can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without
>
> the
>
>>>dowel,
>>>
>>>>>>they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due
>
> to
>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>>force of the pull.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jerry
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>>>>"aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
>>>>>>
>
> news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
>
>>>>>>>Very sad....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
>>>
>>>recently a
>>>
>>>>>>>wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel
>
> to
>
>>>>>>>connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
>>>
>>>dowel
>>>
>>>>>>>would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have
>
> the
>
>>>>>>>weight/inertia to become a projectile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
>>>>>>>"Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
>>>
>>>shed....I
>>>
>>>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on
>
> tugging
>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>>>>>what
>>>>>>>>to use and not to use...
>>>>>>>>and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
>>>>>
>>>>>cleavis....
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this
>
> happen
>
>>>in
>>>
>>>>>my
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>presence as it has really opened my eyes...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
>>>>>>>>you are in our prayers....
>>>>>>>>Jeff
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03.. .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
>>>
>>>animals...
>>>
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
>
>>>>>>>>6753&p=1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>Gene
>>>>>>>>>Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>> o_o_o_o
>>>>>>> /| ,[_____],
>>>>>>> |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
>>>>>>> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
>
