Michigan Jeepers Loose member to strapping accident..
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Re: Michigan Jeepers Loose member to strapping accident..
Nope, it was directed to Steve, as quoted in my reply, whom
believed there was enough of an eye lit to make the dowel the only
connection as in the drawing he drew:
http://xjeep.dyndns.org/togglestrap.jpg
I use a 4" X 30' rated at 39,000 pounds like:
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...0&categoryId=0
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griffin wrote:
>
> If you're replying to my post ...there's a line that makes:
>
> 4x20, 4x40, 6x20, 6x30, 6x50
>
> Between 30-60,000lb
believed there was enough of an eye lit to make the dowel the only
connection as in the drawing he drew:
http://xjeep.dyndns.org/togglestrap.jpg
I use a 4" X 30' rated at 39,000 pounds like:
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...0&categoryId=0
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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griffin wrote:
>
> If you're replying to my post ...there's a line that makes:
>
> 4x20, 4x40, 6x20, 6x30, 6x50
>
> Between 30-60,000lb
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Re: Michigan Jeepers Loose member to strapping accident..
Add to that opinion the fact that that dmaned hunk of wood is going to
move all over the place before you get enough tension on yjr strap to
hold it in place. Unless you have some brave soul hold it in place
while the slack is taken out the toggle is gonna do it's thing - and I
have other uses for my fingers besides sacrificing them to save a
minute or so.
Opinion: the stick won't go far when it breaks. It will break in the
middle behind the loop of one strap so it won't fly past the one
pulling it thru. In the other direction, all the force will be on
what are now the ends of two sticks, so nearly all the force will be
rotational. Add to that the opposite ends of the original stick are
positioned to meet each other as it breaks so there goes a little more
energy - but it still doesn't appeal to me: why rig something that
you're just gonna have to redo when (not it) it breaks??? Do it right
- the first time.
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:59:40 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
wrote:
> But Matt, looping the straps through each other is, at least in my opinion,
> a better/stronger/more secure method than joining them via a piece of wood
> that with everyone's interpretation of what is suitable, means variable
> suitability of the wood used. I'll continue looping tow straps together and
> using the wood only as a means to help undo the loop after I'm done. At
> least if the wood breaks, the loops won't come apart which could potentially
> cause a problem for one of the two vehicles.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:5IydnYChgqYc0_DcRVn-pg@comcast.com...
> > Jerry,
> >
> > Mark Smith absolutely DID NOT loop the straps together when he
> > demonstrated
> > using the dowel at the 2000 Penns Woods Jeep Jamboree. He used the dowel
> > as
> > a toggle to connect the two straps. It was probably 2 1/2' diameter, we're
> > not talking about a small piece of wood.
> >
> > The point being that if something breaks, most likely it would be the
> > dowel,
> > and it would break in such a way to minimize the risk to bystanders (who
> > should already be at a safe distance). And if it did break, the straps
> > would
> > immediately disconnect. If something on either truck broke before the
> > dowel
> > broke, the toggle connection would immediately loosen and absorb some
> > energy
> > that would otherwise be transmitted down the strap to the 3-lb piece of
> > steel that broke off.
> >
> > By connecting the straps directly, you effectively have a very long strap
> > out of two straps that will not disconnect if something breaks, meaning
> > bystanders would have to move farther away to be at a safe distance.
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:8_bbd.33425$_a3.23030@fed1read05...
> >> I got confused over how it was put together in the demonstration but be
> > sure
> >> to remember that the straps do need to be looped through each other. The
> >> inserted dowel or whatever is inserted only serves to keep them from
> >> being
> >> pulled into each other so tightly during the pull that they're nearly
> >> impossible to separate.
> >>
> >> Jerry
> >> --
> >> Jerry Bransford
> >> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >> See the Geezer Jeep at
> >> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >> "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:rI-dnRHKCtRv2_DcRVn-ug@magma.ca...
> >> >I never did get my knot badge from scouts :-)
> >> > Can someone please provide a picture or diagram
> >> > to explain this method. for both straps and rope
> >> > Thanks in advance
> >> >
> >> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> >> Down boy. I said that tongue-in-cheek. Mr. Smith demonstrated with a
> >> >> 2"
> >> >> hardwood dowel. How he instructed us is exactly how I said it, using a
> >> >> the
> >> >> dowel as a toggle through the loop of one of the straps. The dowel
> >> >> doesn't
> >> >> see impact forces. I never said he'd cut down a sapling and strip the
> >> >> bark
> >> >> off. It's just something you carry with you.
> >> >>
> >> >> It stuck with me because (a) he never looped a strap back on itself
> >> >> and
> >> >> (b)
> >> >> as soon as he pulled the dowel out, the straps came right apart
> >> >> without
> >> >> unlooping.
> >> >>
> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> >> news:416D3EDB.22505CF4@sympatico.ca...
> >> >>
> >> >>>Wow, that is freaking amazing!!!!
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
> >> >>>enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Maybe he has a death wish?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
> >> >>>holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick
> >> >>>as
> >> >>>part of the structure?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
> >> >>>under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
> >> >>>hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are
> >> >>>talking
> >> >>>an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
> >> >>>momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I
> > sure
> >> >>>as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
> >> >>>the equation!!!!!
> >> >>>
> >> >>>That would just be suicidal. Literally.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how
> > fast
> >> >>>and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
> >> >>>Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
> >> >>>walls.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Mike
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>Mark Smith...
> >> >>>>http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> >>>>news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> >> >>>>>between them so you can pry them apart.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding
> >> >>
> >> >> then
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
> >> >>>>>locked together loops.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure.
> > In
> >> >>>>>my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped.
> >> >>
> >> >> Hard!.
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>Mike
> >> >>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed
> >> >>
> >> >> us a
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of
> >> >>
> >> >> Strap
> >> >>
> >> >>>>1
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Strap 1,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>break
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should
> >> >>>>>>have
> >> >>
> >> >> a
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times
> >> >>
> >> >> and
> >> >>
> >> >>>>have
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the
> >> >>
> >> >> dowel
> >> >>
> >> >>>>out
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>and the two straps instantly come apart.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure
> >> >>
> >> >> some
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be)
> >> >>
> >> >> looped
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so
> >> >>
> >> >> the
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>straps
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without
> >> >>
> >> >> the
> >> >>
> >> >>>>dowel,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due
> >> >>
> >> >> to
> >> >>
> >> >>>>the
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>force of the pull.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>Jerry
> >> >>>>>>>--
> >> >>>>>>>Jerry Bransford
> >> >>>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >> >>>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >> >>>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >> >>>>>>>"aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>
> >> >> news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>Very sad....
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>recently a
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel
> >> >>
> >> >> to
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>dowel
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have
> >> >>
> >> >> the
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> >> >>>>>>>>"Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>shed....I
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>don't
> >> >>>>>>>>>know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on
> >> >>
> >> >> tugging
> >> >>
> >> >>>>and
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>what
> >> >>>>>>>>>to use and not to use...
> >> >>>>>>>>>and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>cleavis....
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>I
> >> >>>>>>>>>know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this
> >> >>
> >> >> happen
> >> >>
> >> >>>>in
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>my
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> >> >>>>>>>>>you are in our prayers....
> >> >>>>>>>>>Jeff
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>"JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>>>news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03. ..
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>animals...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>
> > http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>6753&p=1
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>--
> >> >>>>>>>>>>Gene
> >> >>>>>>>>>>Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>--
> >> >>>>>>>> o_o_o_o
> >> >>>>>>>> /| ,[_____],
> >> >>>>>>>> |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> >> >>>>>>>> ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
move all over the place before you get enough tension on yjr strap to
hold it in place. Unless you have some brave soul hold it in place
while the slack is taken out the toggle is gonna do it's thing - and I
have other uses for my fingers besides sacrificing them to save a
minute or so.
Opinion: the stick won't go far when it breaks. It will break in the
middle behind the loop of one strap so it won't fly past the one
pulling it thru. In the other direction, all the force will be on
what are now the ends of two sticks, so nearly all the force will be
rotational. Add to that the opposite ends of the original stick are
positioned to meet each other as it breaks so there goes a little more
energy - but it still doesn't appeal to me: why rig something that
you're just gonna have to redo when (not it) it breaks??? Do it right
- the first time.
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:59:40 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
wrote:
> But Matt, looping the straps through each other is, at least in my opinion,
> a better/stronger/more secure method than joining them via a piece of wood
> that with everyone's interpretation of what is suitable, means variable
> suitability of the wood used. I'll continue looping tow straps together and
> using the wood only as a means to help undo the loop after I'm done. At
> least if the wood breaks, the loops won't come apart which could potentially
> cause a problem for one of the two vehicles.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:5IydnYChgqYc0_DcRVn-pg@comcast.com...
> > Jerry,
> >
> > Mark Smith absolutely DID NOT loop the straps together when he
> > demonstrated
> > using the dowel at the 2000 Penns Woods Jeep Jamboree. He used the dowel
> > as
> > a toggle to connect the two straps. It was probably 2 1/2' diameter, we're
> > not talking about a small piece of wood.
> >
> > The point being that if something breaks, most likely it would be the
> > dowel,
> > and it would break in such a way to minimize the risk to bystanders (who
> > should already be at a safe distance). And if it did break, the straps
> > would
> > immediately disconnect. If something on either truck broke before the
> > dowel
> > broke, the toggle connection would immediately loosen and absorb some
> > energy
> > that would otherwise be transmitted down the strap to the 3-lb piece of
> > steel that broke off.
> >
> > By connecting the straps directly, you effectively have a very long strap
> > out of two straps that will not disconnect if something breaks, meaning
> > bystanders would have to move farther away to be at a safe distance.
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:8_bbd.33425$_a3.23030@fed1read05...
> >> I got confused over how it was put together in the demonstration but be
> > sure
> >> to remember that the straps do need to be looped through each other. The
> >> inserted dowel or whatever is inserted only serves to keep them from
> >> being
> >> pulled into each other so tightly during the pull that they're nearly
> >> impossible to separate.
> >>
> >> Jerry
> >> --
> >> Jerry Bransford
> >> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >> See the Geezer Jeep at
> >> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >> "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:rI-dnRHKCtRv2_DcRVn-ug@magma.ca...
> >> >I never did get my knot badge from scouts :-)
> >> > Can someone please provide a picture or diagram
> >> > to explain this method. for both straps and rope
> >> > Thanks in advance
> >> >
> >> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> >> Down boy. I said that tongue-in-cheek. Mr. Smith demonstrated with a
> >> >> 2"
> >> >> hardwood dowel. How he instructed us is exactly how I said it, using a
> >> >> the
> >> >> dowel as a toggle through the loop of one of the straps. The dowel
> >> >> doesn't
> >> >> see impact forces. I never said he'd cut down a sapling and strip the
> >> >> bark
> >> >> off. It's just something you carry with you.
> >> >>
> >> >> It stuck with me because (a) he never looped a strap back on itself
> >> >> and
> >> >> (b)
> >> >> as soon as he pulled the dowel out, the straps came right apart
> >> >> without
> >> >> unlooping.
> >> >>
> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> >> news:416D3EDB.22505CF4@sympatico.ca...
> >> >>
> >> >>>Wow, that is freaking amazing!!!!
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
> >> >>>enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Maybe he has a death wish?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
> >> >>>holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick
> >> >>>as
> >> >>>part of the structure?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
> >> >>>under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
> >> >>>hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are
> >> >>>talking
> >> >>>an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
> >> >>>momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I
> > sure
> >> >>>as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
> >> >>>the equation!!!!!
> >> >>>
> >> >>>That would just be suicidal. Literally.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how
> > fast
> >> >>>and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
> >> >>>Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
> >> >>>walls.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Mike
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>Mark Smith...
> >> >>>>http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> >>>>news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> >> >>>>>between them so you can pry them apart.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding
> >> >>
> >> >> then
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
> >> >>>>>locked together loops.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure.
> > In
> >> >>>>>my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped.
> >> >>
> >> >> Hard!.
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>Mike
> >> >>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed
> >> >>
> >> >> us a
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of
> >> >>
> >> >> Strap
> >> >>
> >> >>>>1
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Strap 1,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>break
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should
> >> >>>>>>have
> >> >>
> >> >> a
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times
> >> >>
> >> >> and
> >> >>
> >> >>>>have
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the
> >> >>
> >> >> dowel
> >> >>
> >> >>>>out
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>and the two straps instantly come apart.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure
> >> >>
> >> >> some
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be)
> >> >>
> >> >> looped
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so
> >> >>
> >> >> the
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>straps
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without
> >> >>
> >> >> the
> >> >>
> >> >>>>dowel,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due
> >> >>
> >> >> to
> >> >>
> >> >>>>the
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>force of the pull.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>Jerry
> >> >>>>>>>--
> >> >>>>>>>Jerry Bransford
> >> >>>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >> >>>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >> >>>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >> >>>>>>>"aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>
> >> >> news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>Very sad....
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>recently a
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel
> >> >>
> >> >> to
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>dowel
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have
> >> >>
> >> >> the
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> >> >>>>>>>>"Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>shed....I
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>don't
> >> >>>>>>>>>know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on
> >> >>
> >> >> tugging
> >> >>
> >> >>>>and
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>what
> >> >>>>>>>>>to use and not to use...
> >> >>>>>>>>>and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>cleavis....
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>I
> >> >>>>>>>>>know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this
> >> >>
> >> >> happen
> >> >>
> >> >>>>in
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>my
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> >> >>>>>>>>>you are in our prayers....
> >> >>>>>>>>>Jeff
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>"JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>>>news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03. ..
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>animals...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>
> > http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>6753&p=1
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>--
> >> >>>>>>>>>>Gene
> >> >>>>>>>>>>Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>--
> >> >>>>>>>> o_o_o_o
> >> >>>>>>>> /| ,[_____],
> >> >>>>>>>> |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> >> >>>>>>>> ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
#213
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Michigan Jeepers Loose member to strapping accident..
Add to that opinion the fact that that dmaned hunk of wood is going to
move all over the place before you get enough tension on yjr strap to
hold it in place. Unless you have some brave soul hold it in place
while the slack is taken out the toggle is gonna do it's thing - and I
have other uses for my fingers besides sacrificing them to save a
minute or so.
Opinion: the stick won't go far when it breaks. It will break in the
middle behind the loop of one strap so it won't fly past the one
pulling it thru. In the other direction, all the force will be on
what are now the ends of two sticks, so nearly all the force will be
rotational. Add to that the opposite ends of the original stick are
positioned to meet each other as it breaks so there goes a little more
energy - but it still doesn't appeal to me: why rig something that
you're just gonna have to redo when (not it) it breaks??? Do it right
- the first time.
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:59:40 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
wrote:
> But Matt, looping the straps through each other is, at least in my opinion,
> a better/stronger/more secure method than joining them via a piece of wood
> that with everyone's interpretation of what is suitable, means variable
> suitability of the wood used. I'll continue looping tow straps together and
> using the wood only as a means to help undo the loop after I'm done. At
> least if the wood breaks, the loops won't come apart which could potentially
> cause a problem for one of the two vehicles.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:5IydnYChgqYc0_DcRVn-pg@comcast.com...
> > Jerry,
> >
> > Mark Smith absolutely DID NOT loop the straps together when he
> > demonstrated
> > using the dowel at the 2000 Penns Woods Jeep Jamboree. He used the dowel
> > as
> > a toggle to connect the two straps. It was probably 2 1/2' diameter, we're
> > not talking about a small piece of wood.
> >
> > The point being that if something breaks, most likely it would be the
> > dowel,
> > and it would break in such a way to minimize the risk to bystanders (who
> > should already be at a safe distance). And if it did break, the straps
> > would
> > immediately disconnect. If something on either truck broke before the
> > dowel
> > broke, the toggle connection would immediately loosen and absorb some
> > energy
> > that would otherwise be transmitted down the strap to the 3-lb piece of
> > steel that broke off.
> >
> > By connecting the straps directly, you effectively have a very long strap
> > out of two straps that will not disconnect if something breaks, meaning
> > bystanders would have to move farther away to be at a safe distance.
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:8_bbd.33425$_a3.23030@fed1read05...
> >> I got confused over how it was put together in the demonstration but be
> > sure
> >> to remember that the straps do need to be looped through each other. The
> >> inserted dowel or whatever is inserted only serves to keep them from
> >> being
> >> pulled into each other so tightly during the pull that they're nearly
> >> impossible to separate.
> >>
> >> Jerry
> >> --
> >> Jerry Bransford
> >> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >> See the Geezer Jeep at
> >> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >> "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:rI-dnRHKCtRv2_DcRVn-ug@magma.ca...
> >> >I never did get my knot badge from scouts :-)
> >> > Can someone please provide a picture or diagram
> >> > to explain this method. for both straps and rope
> >> > Thanks in advance
> >> >
> >> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> >> Down boy. I said that tongue-in-cheek. Mr. Smith demonstrated with a
> >> >> 2"
> >> >> hardwood dowel. How he instructed us is exactly how I said it, using a
> >> >> the
> >> >> dowel as a toggle through the loop of one of the straps. The dowel
> >> >> doesn't
> >> >> see impact forces. I never said he'd cut down a sapling and strip the
> >> >> bark
> >> >> off. It's just something you carry with you.
> >> >>
> >> >> It stuck with me because (a) he never looped a strap back on itself
> >> >> and
> >> >> (b)
> >> >> as soon as he pulled the dowel out, the straps came right apart
> >> >> without
> >> >> unlooping.
> >> >>
> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> >> news:416D3EDB.22505CF4@sympatico.ca...
> >> >>
> >> >>>Wow, that is freaking amazing!!!!
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
> >> >>>enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Maybe he has a death wish?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
> >> >>>holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick
> >> >>>as
> >> >>>part of the structure?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
> >> >>>under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
> >> >>>hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are
> >> >>>talking
> >> >>>an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
> >> >>>momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I
> > sure
> >> >>>as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
> >> >>>the equation!!!!!
> >> >>>
> >> >>>That would just be suicidal. Literally.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how
> > fast
> >> >>>and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
> >> >>>Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
> >> >>>walls.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Mike
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>Mark Smith...
> >> >>>>http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> >>>>news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> >> >>>>>between them so you can pry them apart.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding
> >> >>
> >> >> then
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
> >> >>>>>locked together loops.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure.
> > In
> >> >>>>>my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped.
> >> >>
> >> >> Hard!.
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>Mike
> >> >>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed
> >> >>
> >> >> us a
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of
> >> >>
> >> >> Strap
> >> >>
> >> >>>>1
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Strap 1,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>break
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should
> >> >>>>>>have
> >> >>
> >> >> a
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times
> >> >>
> >> >> and
> >> >>
> >> >>>>have
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the
> >> >>
> >> >> dowel
> >> >>
> >> >>>>out
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>and the two straps instantly come apart.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure
> >> >>
> >> >> some
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be)
> >> >>
> >> >> looped
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so
> >> >>
> >> >> the
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>straps
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without
> >> >>
> >> >> the
> >> >>
> >> >>>>dowel,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due
> >> >>
> >> >> to
> >> >>
> >> >>>>the
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>force of the pull.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>Jerry
> >> >>>>>>>--
> >> >>>>>>>Jerry Bransford
> >> >>>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >> >>>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >> >>>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >> >>>>>>>"aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>
> >> >> news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>Very sad....
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>recently a
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel
> >> >>
> >> >> to
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>dowel
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have
> >> >>
> >> >> the
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> >> >>>>>>>>"Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>shed....I
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>don't
> >> >>>>>>>>>know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on
> >> >>
> >> >> tugging
> >> >>
> >> >>>>and
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>what
> >> >>>>>>>>>to use and not to use...
> >> >>>>>>>>>and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>cleavis....
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>I
> >> >>>>>>>>>know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this
> >> >>
> >> >> happen
> >> >>
> >> >>>>in
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>my
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> >> >>>>>>>>>you are in our prayers....
> >> >>>>>>>>>Jeff
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>"JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>>>news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03. ..
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>animals...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>
> > http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>6753&p=1
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>--
> >> >>>>>>>>>>Gene
> >> >>>>>>>>>>Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>--
> >> >>>>>>>> o_o_o_o
> >> >>>>>>>> /| ,[_____],
> >> >>>>>>>> |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> >> >>>>>>>> ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
move all over the place before you get enough tension on yjr strap to
hold it in place. Unless you have some brave soul hold it in place
while the slack is taken out the toggle is gonna do it's thing - and I
have other uses for my fingers besides sacrificing them to save a
minute or so.
Opinion: the stick won't go far when it breaks. It will break in the
middle behind the loop of one strap so it won't fly past the one
pulling it thru. In the other direction, all the force will be on
what are now the ends of two sticks, so nearly all the force will be
rotational. Add to that the opposite ends of the original stick are
positioned to meet each other as it breaks so there goes a little more
energy - but it still doesn't appeal to me: why rig something that
you're just gonna have to redo when (not it) it breaks??? Do it right
- the first time.
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:59:40 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
wrote:
> But Matt, looping the straps through each other is, at least in my opinion,
> a better/stronger/more secure method than joining them via a piece of wood
> that with everyone's interpretation of what is suitable, means variable
> suitability of the wood used. I'll continue looping tow straps together and
> using the wood only as a means to help undo the loop after I'm done. At
> least if the wood breaks, the loops won't come apart which could potentially
> cause a problem for one of the two vehicles.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:5IydnYChgqYc0_DcRVn-pg@comcast.com...
> > Jerry,
> >
> > Mark Smith absolutely DID NOT loop the straps together when he
> > demonstrated
> > using the dowel at the 2000 Penns Woods Jeep Jamboree. He used the dowel
> > as
> > a toggle to connect the two straps. It was probably 2 1/2' diameter, we're
> > not talking about a small piece of wood.
> >
> > The point being that if something breaks, most likely it would be the
> > dowel,
> > and it would break in such a way to minimize the risk to bystanders (who
> > should already be at a safe distance). And if it did break, the straps
> > would
> > immediately disconnect. If something on either truck broke before the
> > dowel
> > broke, the toggle connection would immediately loosen and absorb some
> > energy
> > that would otherwise be transmitted down the strap to the 3-lb piece of
> > steel that broke off.
> >
> > By connecting the straps directly, you effectively have a very long strap
> > out of two straps that will not disconnect if something breaks, meaning
> > bystanders would have to move farther away to be at a safe distance.
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:8_bbd.33425$_a3.23030@fed1read05...
> >> I got confused over how it was put together in the demonstration but be
> > sure
> >> to remember that the straps do need to be looped through each other. The
> >> inserted dowel or whatever is inserted only serves to keep them from
> >> being
> >> pulled into each other so tightly during the pull that they're nearly
> >> impossible to separate.
> >>
> >> Jerry
> >> --
> >> Jerry Bransford
> >> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >> See the Geezer Jeep at
> >> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >> "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:rI-dnRHKCtRv2_DcRVn-ug@magma.ca...
> >> >I never did get my knot badge from scouts :-)
> >> > Can someone please provide a picture or diagram
> >> > to explain this method. for both straps and rope
> >> > Thanks in advance
> >> >
> >> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> >> Down boy. I said that tongue-in-cheek. Mr. Smith demonstrated with a
> >> >> 2"
> >> >> hardwood dowel. How he instructed us is exactly how I said it, using a
> >> >> the
> >> >> dowel as a toggle through the loop of one of the straps. The dowel
> >> >> doesn't
> >> >> see impact forces. I never said he'd cut down a sapling and strip the
> >> >> bark
> >> >> off. It's just something you carry with you.
> >> >>
> >> >> It stuck with me because (a) he never looped a strap back on itself
> >> >> and
> >> >> (b)
> >> >> as soon as he pulled the dowel out, the straps came right apart
> >> >> without
> >> >> unlooping.
> >> >>
> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> >> news:416D3EDB.22505CF4@sympatico.ca...
> >> >>
> >> >>>Wow, that is freaking amazing!!!!
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
> >> >>>enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Maybe he has a death wish?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
> >> >>>holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick
> >> >>>as
> >> >>>part of the structure?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
> >> >>>under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
> >> >>>hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are
> >> >>>talking
> >> >>>an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
> >> >>>momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I
> > sure
> >> >>>as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
> >> >>>the equation!!!!!
> >> >>>
> >> >>>That would just be suicidal. Literally.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how
> > fast
> >> >>>and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
> >> >>>Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
> >> >>>walls.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Mike
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>Mark Smith...
> >> >>>>http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> >>>>news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> >> >>>>>between them so you can pry them apart.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding
> >> >>
> >> >> then
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
> >> >>>>>locked together loops.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure.
> > In
> >> >>>>>my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped.
> >> >>
> >> >> Hard!.
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>Mike
> >> >>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed
> >> >>
> >> >> us a
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of
> >> >>
> >> >> Strap
> >> >>
> >> >>>>1
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Strap 1,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>break
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should
> >> >>>>>>have
> >> >>
> >> >> a
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times
> >> >>
> >> >> and
> >> >>
> >> >>>>have
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the
> >> >>
> >> >> dowel
> >> >>
> >> >>>>out
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>and the two straps instantly come apart.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure
> >> >>
> >> >> some
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be)
> >> >>
> >> >> looped
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so
> >> >>
> >> >> the
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>straps
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without
> >> >>
> >> >> the
> >> >>
> >> >>>>dowel,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due
> >> >>
> >> >> to
> >> >>
> >> >>>>the
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>force of the pull.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>Jerry
> >> >>>>>>>--
> >> >>>>>>>Jerry Bransford
> >> >>>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >> >>>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >> >>>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >> >>>>>>>"aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>
> >> >> news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>Very sad....
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>recently a
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel
> >> >>
> >> >> to
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>dowel
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have
> >> >>
> >> >> the
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> >> >>>>>>>>"Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>shed....I
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>don't
> >> >>>>>>>>>know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on
> >> >>
> >> >> tugging
> >> >>
> >> >>>>and
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>what
> >> >>>>>>>>>to use and not to use...
> >> >>>>>>>>>and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>cleavis....
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>I
> >> >>>>>>>>>know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this
> >> >>
> >> >> happen
> >> >>
> >> >>>>in
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>my
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> >> >>>>>>>>>you are in our prayers....
> >> >>>>>>>>>Jeff
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>"JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>>>news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03. ..
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>animals...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>
> > http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>6753&p=1
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>--
> >> >>>>>>>>>>Gene
> >> >>>>>>>>>>Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>--
> >> >>>>>>>> o_o_o_o
> >> >>>>>>>> /| ,[_____],
> >> >>>>>>>> |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> >> >>>>>>>> ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
#214
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Michigan Jeepers Loose member to strapping accident..
Matt, by the time that toggle connection comes into play, the hook on
the other is is already traveling with a good head of steam - it's had
all the stretch contracting until the toggle goes limp - too late,
it's gone.
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:01:19 UTC "Matt Macchiarolo"
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> Of course the dowel sees the forces of towing, but it is not impact forces
> like a bat and baseball contacting.
>
> If a tow hook goes, then using a dowel as a toggle will mean the connection
> will immediately loosen and absorb some of the projectile energy that would
> otherwise be transmitted to the hook. By using the dowel as a means to
> disconnect the looped-together straps, it becomes part of the projectile as
> well.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:416D4A19.601CB0C1@sympatico.ca...
> > Have you ever snapped a baseball bat? Hooks have even been known to
> > snap and hook bolts shear.
> >
> > The dowel certainly 'does' see the impact forces. 100% of them as a
> > matter of fact.
> >
> > Wow.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > Down boy. I said that tongue-in-cheek. Mr. Smith demonstrated with a 2"
> > > hardwood dowel. How he instructed us is exactly how I said it, using a
> the
> > > dowel as a toggle through the loop of one of the straps. The dowel
> doesn't
> > > see impact forces. I never said he'd cut down a sapling and strip the
> bark
> > > off. It's just something you carry with you.
> > >
> > > It stuck with me because (a) he never looped a strap back on itself and
> (b)
> > > as soon as he pulled the dowel out, the straps came right apart without
> > > unlooping.
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:416D3EDB.22505CF4@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Wow, that is freaking amazing!!!!
> > > >
> > > > I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
> > > > enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe he has a death wish?
> > > >
> > > > Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
> > > > holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick
> as
> > > > part of the structure?
> > > >
> > > > My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
> > > >
> > > > The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
> > > > under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
> > > > hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are
> talking
> > > > an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
> > > >
> > > > So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
> > > > momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I
> sure
> > > > as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
> > > > the equation!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > That would just be suicidal. Literally.
> > > >
> > > > I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how
> fast
> > > > and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
> > > > Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
> > > > walls.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark Smith...
> > > > > http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> > > > > > between them so you can pry them apart.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are
> holding
> > > then
> > > > > > feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo,
> two
> > > > > > locked together loops.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure.
> In
> > > > > > my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped.
> > > Hard!.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he
> showed
> > > us a
> > > > > > > different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end
> of
> > > Strap
> > > > > 1
> > > > > > > through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop
> of
> > > > > Strap 1,
> > > > > > > essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it
> will
> > > > > break
> > > > > > > inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should
> have
> > > a
> > > > > > > minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several
> times
> > > and
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the
> > > dowel
> > > > > out
> > > > > > > and the two straps instantly come apart.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am
> sure
> > > some
> > > > > > > members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> > > > > > > > The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be)
> > > looped
> > > > > > > > through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there
> so
> > > the
> > > > > > > straps
> > > > > > > > can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed.
> Without
> > > the
> > > > > dowel,
> > > > > > > > they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other
> due
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > force of the pull.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > > > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > > > > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > > > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > > > > > > "aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >
> > > news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> > > > > > > > > Very sad....
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past,
> but
> > > > > recently a
> > > > > > > > > wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden
> dowel
> > > to
> > > > > > > > > connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe
> the
> > > > > dowel
> > > > > > > > > would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not
> have
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> > > > > > > > > "Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have
> been
> > > > > shed....I
> > > > > > > > >> don't
> > > > > > > > >> know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our
> friend...
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on
> > > tugging
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >> what
> > > > > > > > >> to use and not to use...
> > > > > > > > >> and I have already seen this joining two straps together by
> a
> > > > > > > cleavis....
> > > > > > > > >> I
> > > > > > > > >> know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this
> > > happen
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > >> presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> > > > > > > > >> you are in our prayers....
> > > > > > > > >> Jeff
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in
> message
> > > > > > > > >> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > > > > > > > >> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
> > > > > animals...
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> > > > > > > > >> 6753&p=1
> > > > > > > > >> > --
> > > > > > > > >> > Gene
> > > > > > > > >> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
>
>
--
Will Honea
the other is is already traveling with a good head of steam - it's had
all the stretch contracting until the toggle goes limp - too late,
it's gone.
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:01:19 UTC "Matt Macchiarolo"
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> Of course the dowel sees the forces of towing, but it is not impact forces
> like a bat and baseball contacting.
>
> If a tow hook goes, then using a dowel as a toggle will mean the connection
> will immediately loosen and absorb some of the projectile energy that would
> otherwise be transmitted to the hook. By using the dowel as a means to
> disconnect the looped-together straps, it becomes part of the projectile as
> well.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:416D4A19.601CB0C1@sympatico.ca...
> > Have you ever snapped a baseball bat? Hooks have even been known to
> > snap and hook bolts shear.
> >
> > The dowel certainly 'does' see the impact forces. 100% of them as a
> > matter of fact.
> >
> > Wow.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > Down boy. I said that tongue-in-cheek. Mr. Smith demonstrated with a 2"
> > > hardwood dowel. How he instructed us is exactly how I said it, using a
> the
> > > dowel as a toggle through the loop of one of the straps. The dowel
> doesn't
> > > see impact forces. I never said he'd cut down a sapling and strip the
> bark
> > > off. It's just something you carry with you.
> > >
> > > It stuck with me because (a) he never looped a strap back on itself and
> (b)
> > > as soon as he pulled the dowel out, the straps came right apart without
> > > unlooping.
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:416D3EDB.22505CF4@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Wow, that is freaking amazing!!!!
> > > >
> > > > I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
> > > > enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe he has a death wish?
> > > >
> > > > Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
> > > > holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick
> as
> > > > part of the structure?
> > > >
> > > > My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
> > > >
> > > > The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
> > > > under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
> > > > hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are
> talking
> > > > an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
> > > >
> > > > So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
> > > > momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I
> sure
> > > > as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
> > > > the equation!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > That would just be suicidal. Literally.
> > > >
> > > > I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how
> fast
> > > > and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
> > > > Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
> > > > walls.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark Smith...
> > > > > http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> > > > > > between them so you can pry them apart.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are
> holding
> > > then
> > > > > > feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo,
> two
> > > > > > locked together loops.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure.
> In
> > > > > > my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped.
> > > Hard!.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he
> showed
> > > us a
> > > > > > > different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end
> of
> > > Strap
> > > > > 1
> > > > > > > through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop
> of
> > > > > Strap 1,
> > > > > > > essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it
> will
> > > > > break
> > > > > > > inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should
> have
> > > a
> > > > > > > minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several
> times
> > > and
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the
> > > dowel
> > > > > out
> > > > > > > and the two straps instantly come apart.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am
> sure
> > > some
> > > > > > > members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> > > > > > > > The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be)
> > > looped
> > > > > > > > through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there
> so
> > > the
> > > > > > > straps
> > > > > > > > can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed.
> Without
> > > the
> > > > > dowel,
> > > > > > > > they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other
> due
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > force of the pull.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > > > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > > > > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > > > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > > > > > > "aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >
> > > news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> > > > > > > > > Very sad....
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past,
> but
> > > > > recently a
> > > > > > > > > wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden
> dowel
> > > to
> > > > > > > > > connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe
> the
> > > > > dowel
> > > > > > > > > would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not
> have
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> > > > > > > > > "Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have
> been
> > > > > shed....I
> > > > > > > > >> don't
> > > > > > > > >> know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our
> friend...
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on
> > > tugging
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >> what
> > > > > > > > >> to use and not to use...
> > > > > > > > >> and I have already seen this joining two straps together by
> a
> > > > > > > cleavis....
> > > > > > > > >> I
> > > > > > > > >> know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this
> > > happen
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > >> presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> > > > > > > > >> you are in our prayers....
> > > > > > > > >> Jeff
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in
> message
> > > > > > > > >> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > > > > > > > >> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
> > > > > animals...
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> > > > > > > > >> 6753&p=1
> > > > > > > > >> > --
> > > > > > > > >> > Gene
> > > > > > > > >> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
>
>
--
Will Honea
#215
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Michigan Jeepers Loose member to strapping accident..
Matt, by the time that toggle connection comes into play, the hook on
the other is is already traveling with a good head of steam - it's had
all the stretch contracting until the toggle goes limp - too late,
it's gone.
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:01:19 UTC "Matt Macchiarolo"
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> Of course the dowel sees the forces of towing, but it is not impact forces
> like a bat and baseball contacting.
>
> If a tow hook goes, then using a dowel as a toggle will mean the connection
> will immediately loosen and absorb some of the projectile energy that would
> otherwise be transmitted to the hook. By using the dowel as a means to
> disconnect the looped-together straps, it becomes part of the projectile as
> well.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:416D4A19.601CB0C1@sympatico.ca...
> > Have you ever snapped a baseball bat? Hooks have even been known to
> > snap and hook bolts shear.
> >
> > The dowel certainly 'does' see the impact forces. 100% of them as a
> > matter of fact.
> >
> > Wow.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > Down boy. I said that tongue-in-cheek. Mr. Smith demonstrated with a 2"
> > > hardwood dowel. How he instructed us is exactly how I said it, using a
> the
> > > dowel as a toggle through the loop of one of the straps. The dowel
> doesn't
> > > see impact forces. I never said he'd cut down a sapling and strip the
> bark
> > > off. It's just something you carry with you.
> > >
> > > It stuck with me because (a) he never looped a strap back on itself and
> (b)
> > > as soon as he pulled the dowel out, the straps came right apart without
> > > unlooping.
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:416D3EDB.22505CF4@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Wow, that is freaking amazing!!!!
> > > >
> > > > I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
> > > > enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe he has a death wish?
> > > >
> > > > Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
> > > > holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick
> as
> > > > part of the structure?
> > > >
> > > > My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
> > > >
> > > > The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
> > > > under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
> > > > hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are
> talking
> > > > an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
> > > >
> > > > So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
> > > > momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I
> sure
> > > > as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
> > > > the equation!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > That would just be suicidal. Literally.
> > > >
> > > > I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how
> fast
> > > > and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
> > > > Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
> > > > walls.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark Smith...
> > > > > http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> > > > > > between them so you can pry them apart.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are
> holding
> > > then
> > > > > > feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo,
> two
> > > > > > locked together loops.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure.
> In
> > > > > > my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped.
> > > Hard!.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he
> showed
> > > us a
> > > > > > > different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end
> of
> > > Strap
> > > > > 1
> > > > > > > through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop
> of
> > > > > Strap 1,
> > > > > > > essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it
> will
> > > > > break
> > > > > > > inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should
> have
> > > a
> > > > > > > minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several
> times
> > > and
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the
> > > dowel
> > > > > out
> > > > > > > and the two straps instantly come apart.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am
> sure
> > > some
> > > > > > > members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> > > > > > > > The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be)
> > > looped
> > > > > > > > through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there
> so
> > > the
> > > > > > > straps
> > > > > > > > can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed.
> Without
> > > the
> > > > > dowel,
> > > > > > > > they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other
> due
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > force of the pull.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > > > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > > > > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > > > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > > > > > > "aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >
> > > news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> > > > > > > > > Very sad....
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past,
> but
> > > > > recently a
> > > > > > > > > wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden
> dowel
> > > to
> > > > > > > > > connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe
> the
> > > > > dowel
> > > > > > > > > would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not
> have
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> > > > > > > > > "Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have
> been
> > > > > shed....I
> > > > > > > > >> don't
> > > > > > > > >> know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our
> friend...
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on
> > > tugging
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >> what
> > > > > > > > >> to use and not to use...
> > > > > > > > >> and I have already seen this joining two straps together by
> a
> > > > > > > cleavis....
> > > > > > > > >> I
> > > > > > > > >> know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this
> > > happen
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > >> presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> > > > > > > > >> you are in our prayers....
> > > > > > > > >> Jeff
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in
> message
> > > > > > > > >> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > > > > > > > >> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
> > > > > animals...
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> > > > > > > > >> 6753&p=1
> > > > > > > > >> > --
> > > > > > > > >> > Gene
> > > > > > > > >> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
>
>
--
Will Honea
the other is is already traveling with a good head of steam - it's had
all the stretch contracting until the toggle goes limp - too late,
it's gone.
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:01:19 UTC "Matt Macchiarolo"
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> Of course the dowel sees the forces of towing, but it is not impact forces
> like a bat and baseball contacting.
>
> If a tow hook goes, then using a dowel as a toggle will mean the connection
> will immediately loosen and absorb some of the projectile energy that would
> otherwise be transmitted to the hook. By using the dowel as a means to
> disconnect the looped-together straps, it becomes part of the projectile as
> well.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:416D4A19.601CB0C1@sympatico.ca...
> > Have you ever snapped a baseball bat? Hooks have even been known to
> > snap and hook bolts shear.
> >
> > The dowel certainly 'does' see the impact forces. 100% of them as a
> > matter of fact.
> >
> > Wow.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > Down boy. I said that tongue-in-cheek. Mr. Smith demonstrated with a 2"
> > > hardwood dowel. How he instructed us is exactly how I said it, using a
> the
> > > dowel as a toggle through the loop of one of the straps. The dowel
> doesn't
> > > see impact forces. I never said he'd cut down a sapling and strip the
> bark
> > > off. It's just something you carry with you.
> > >
> > > It stuck with me because (a) he never looped a strap back on itself and
> (b)
> > > as soon as he pulled the dowel out, the straps came right apart without
> > > unlooping.
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:416D3EDB.22505CF4@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Wow, that is freaking amazing!!!!
> > > >
> > > > I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
> > > > enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe he has a death wish?
> > > >
> > > > Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
> > > > holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick
> as
> > > > part of the structure?
> > > >
> > > > My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
> > > >
> > > > The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
> > > > under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
> > > > hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are
> talking
> > > > an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
> > > >
> > > > So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
> > > > momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I
> sure
> > > > as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
> > > > the equation!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > That would just be suicidal. Literally.
> > > >
> > > > I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how
> fast
> > > > and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
> > > > Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
> > > > walls.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark Smith...
> > > > > http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> > > > > > between them so you can pry them apart.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are
> holding
> > > then
> > > > > > feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo,
> two
> > > > > > locked together loops.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure.
> In
> > > > > > my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped.
> > > Hard!.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he
> showed
> > > us a
> > > > > > > different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end
> of
> > > Strap
> > > > > 1
> > > > > > > through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop
> of
> > > > > Strap 1,
> > > > > > > essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it
> will
> > > > > break
> > > > > > > inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should
> have
> > > a
> > > > > > > minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several
> times
> > > and
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the
> > > dowel
> > > > > out
> > > > > > > and the two straps instantly come apart.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am
> sure
> > > some
> > > > > > > members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> > > > > > > > The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be)
> > > looped
> > > > > > > > through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there
> so
> > > the
> > > > > > > straps
> > > > > > > > can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed.
> Without
> > > the
> > > > > dowel,
> > > > > > > > they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other
> due
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > force of the pull.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > > > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > > > > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > > > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > > > > > > "aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >
> > > news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> > > > > > > > > Very sad....
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past,
> but
> > > > > recently a
> > > > > > > > > wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden
> dowel
> > > to
> > > > > > > > > connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe
> the
> > > > > dowel
> > > > > > > > > would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not
> have
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> > > > > > > > > "Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have
> been
> > > > > shed....I
> > > > > > > > >> don't
> > > > > > > > >> know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our
> friend...
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on
> > > tugging
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >> what
> > > > > > > > >> to use and not to use...
> > > > > > > > >> and I have already seen this joining two straps together by
> a
> > > > > > > cleavis....
> > > > > > > > >> I
> > > > > > > > >> know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this
> > > happen
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > >> presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> > > > > > > > >> you are in our prayers....
> > > > > > > > >> Jeff
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in
> message
> > > > > > > > >> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > > > > > > > >> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
> > > > > animals...
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> > > > > > > > >> 6753&p=1
> > > > > > > > >> > --
> > > > > > > > >> > Gene
> > > > > > > > >> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
>
>
--
Will Honea
#216
Guest
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Re: Michigan Jeepers Loose member to strapping accident..
Add to that opinion the fact that that dmaned hunk of wood is going to
move all over the place before you get enough tension on yjr strap to
hold it in place. Unless you have some brave soul hold it in place
while the slack is taken out the toggle is gonna do it's thing - and I
have other uses for my fingers besides sacrificing them to save a
minute or so.
Opinion: the stick won't go far when it breaks. It will break in the
middle behind the loop of one strap so it won't fly past the one
pulling it thru. In the other direction, all the force will be on
what are now the ends of two sticks, so nearly all the force will be
rotational. Add to that the opposite ends of the original stick are
positioned to meet each other as it breaks so there goes a little more
energy - but it still doesn't appeal to me: why rig something that
you're just gonna have to redo when (not it) it breaks??? Do it right
- the first time.
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:59:40 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
wrote:
> But Matt, looping the straps through each other is, at least in my opinion,
> a better/stronger/more secure method than joining them via a piece of wood
> that with everyone's interpretation of what is suitable, means variable
> suitability of the wood used. I'll continue looping tow straps together and
> using the wood only as a means to help undo the loop after I'm done. At
> least if the wood breaks, the loops won't come apart which could potentially
> cause a problem for one of the two vehicles.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:5IydnYChgqYc0_DcRVn-pg@comcast.com...
> > Jerry,
> >
> > Mark Smith absolutely DID NOT loop the straps together when he
> > demonstrated
> > using the dowel at the 2000 Penns Woods Jeep Jamboree. He used the dowel
> > as
> > a toggle to connect the two straps. It was probably 2 1/2' diameter, we're
> > not talking about a small piece of wood.
> >
> > The point being that if something breaks, most likely it would be the
> > dowel,
> > and it would break in such a way to minimize the risk to bystanders (who
> > should already be at a safe distance). And if it did break, the straps
> > would
> > immediately disconnect. If something on either truck broke before the
> > dowel
> > broke, the toggle connection would immediately loosen and absorb some
> > energy
> > that would otherwise be transmitted down the strap to the 3-lb piece of
> > steel that broke off.
> >
> > By connecting the straps directly, you effectively have a very long strap
> > out of two straps that will not disconnect if something breaks, meaning
> > bystanders would have to move farther away to be at a safe distance.
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:8_bbd.33425$_a3.23030@fed1read05...
> >> I got confused over how it was put together in the demonstration but be
> > sure
> >> to remember that the straps do need to be looped through each other. The
> >> inserted dowel or whatever is inserted only serves to keep them from
> >> being
> >> pulled into each other so tightly during the pull that they're nearly
> >> impossible to separate.
> >>
> >> Jerry
> >> --
> >> Jerry Bransford
> >> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >> See the Geezer Jeep at
> >> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >> "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:rI-dnRHKCtRv2_DcRVn-ug@magma.ca...
> >> >I never did get my knot badge from scouts :-)
> >> > Can someone please provide a picture or diagram
> >> > to explain this method. for both straps and rope
> >> > Thanks in advance
> >> >
> >> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> >> Down boy. I said that tongue-in-cheek. Mr. Smith demonstrated with a
> >> >> 2"
> >> >> hardwood dowel. How he instructed us is exactly how I said it, using a
> >> >> the
> >> >> dowel as a toggle through the loop of one of the straps. The dowel
> >> >> doesn't
> >> >> see impact forces. I never said he'd cut down a sapling and strip the
> >> >> bark
> >> >> off. It's just something you carry with you.
> >> >>
> >> >> It stuck with me because (a) he never looped a strap back on itself
> >> >> and
> >> >> (b)
> >> >> as soon as he pulled the dowel out, the straps came right apart
> >> >> without
> >> >> unlooping.
> >> >>
> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> >> news:416D3EDB.22505CF4@sympatico.ca...
> >> >>
> >> >>>Wow, that is freaking amazing!!!!
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
> >> >>>enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Maybe he has a death wish?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
> >> >>>holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick
> >> >>>as
> >> >>>part of the structure?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
> >> >>>under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
> >> >>>hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are
> >> >>>talking
> >> >>>an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
> >> >>>momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I
> > sure
> >> >>>as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
> >> >>>the equation!!!!!
> >> >>>
> >> >>>That would just be suicidal. Literally.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how
> > fast
> >> >>>and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
> >> >>>Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
> >> >>>walls.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Mike
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>Mark Smith...
> >> >>>>http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> >>>>news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> >> >>>>>between them so you can pry them apart.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding
> >> >>
> >> >> then
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
> >> >>>>>locked together loops.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure.
> > In
> >> >>>>>my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped.
> >> >>
> >> >> Hard!.
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>Mike
> >> >>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed
> >> >>
> >> >> us a
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of
> >> >>
> >> >> Strap
> >> >>
> >> >>>>1
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Strap 1,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>break
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should
> >> >>>>>>have
> >> >>
> >> >> a
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times
> >> >>
> >> >> and
> >> >>
> >> >>>>have
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the
> >> >>
> >> >> dowel
> >> >>
> >> >>>>out
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>and the two straps instantly come apart.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure
> >> >>
> >> >> some
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be)
> >> >>
> >> >> looped
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so
> >> >>
> >> >> the
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>straps
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without
> >> >>
> >> >> the
> >> >>
> >> >>>>dowel,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due
> >> >>
> >> >> to
> >> >>
> >> >>>>the
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>force of the pull.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>Jerry
> >> >>>>>>>--
> >> >>>>>>>Jerry Bransford
> >> >>>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >> >>>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >> >>>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >> >>>>>>>"aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>
> >> >> news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>Very sad....
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>recently a
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel
> >> >>
> >> >> to
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>dowel
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have
> >> >>
> >> >> the
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> >> >>>>>>>>"Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>shed....I
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>don't
> >> >>>>>>>>>know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on
> >> >>
> >> >> tugging
> >> >>
> >> >>>>and
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>what
> >> >>>>>>>>>to use and not to use...
> >> >>>>>>>>>and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>cleavis....
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>I
> >> >>>>>>>>>know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this
> >> >>
> >> >> happen
> >> >>
> >> >>>>in
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>my
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> >> >>>>>>>>>you are in our prayers....
> >> >>>>>>>>>Jeff
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>"JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>>>news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03. ..
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>animals...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>
> > http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>6753&p=1
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>--
> >> >>>>>>>>>>Gene
> >> >>>>>>>>>>Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>--
> >> >>>>>>>> o_o_o_o
> >> >>>>>>>> /| ,[_____],
> >> >>>>>>>> |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> >> >>>>>>>> ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
move all over the place before you get enough tension on yjr strap to
hold it in place. Unless you have some brave soul hold it in place
while the slack is taken out the toggle is gonna do it's thing - and I
have other uses for my fingers besides sacrificing them to save a
minute or so.
Opinion: the stick won't go far when it breaks. It will break in the
middle behind the loop of one strap so it won't fly past the one
pulling it thru. In the other direction, all the force will be on
what are now the ends of two sticks, so nearly all the force will be
rotational. Add to that the opposite ends of the original stick are
positioned to meet each other as it breaks so there goes a little more
energy - but it still doesn't appeal to me: why rig something that
you're just gonna have to redo when (not it) it breaks??? Do it right
- the first time.
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:59:40 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
wrote:
> But Matt, looping the straps through each other is, at least in my opinion,
> a better/stronger/more secure method than joining them via a piece of wood
> that with everyone's interpretation of what is suitable, means variable
> suitability of the wood used. I'll continue looping tow straps together and
> using the wood only as a means to help undo the loop after I'm done. At
> least if the wood breaks, the loops won't come apart which could potentially
> cause a problem for one of the two vehicles.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:5IydnYChgqYc0_DcRVn-pg@comcast.com...
> > Jerry,
> >
> > Mark Smith absolutely DID NOT loop the straps together when he
> > demonstrated
> > using the dowel at the 2000 Penns Woods Jeep Jamboree. He used the dowel
> > as
> > a toggle to connect the two straps. It was probably 2 1/2' diameter, we're
> > not talking about a small piece of wood.
> >
> > The point being that if something breaks, most likely it would be the
> > dowel,
> > and it would break in such a way to minimize the risk to bystanders (who
> > should already be at a safe distance). And if it did break, the straps
> > would
> > immediately disconnect. If something on either truck broke before the
> > dowel
> > broke, the toggle connection would immediately loosen and absorb some
> > energy
> > that would otherwise be transmitted down the strap to the 3-lb piece of
> > steel that broke off.
> >
> > By connecting the straps directly, you effectively have a very long strap
> > out of two straps that will not disconnect if something breaks, meaning
> > bystanders would have to move farther away to be at a safe distance.
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:8_bbd.33425$_a3.23030@fed1read05...
> >> I got confused over how it was put together in the demonstration but be
> > sure
> >> to remember that the straps do need to be looped through each other. The
> >> inserted dowel or whatever is inserted only serves to keep them from
> >> being
> >> pulled into each other so tightly during the pull that they're nearly
> >> impossible to separate.
> >>
> >> Jerry
> >> --
> >> Jerry Bransford
> >> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >> See the Geezer Jeep at
> >> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >> "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:rI-dnRHKCtRv2_DcRVn-ug@magma.ca...
> >> >I never did get my knot badge from scouts :-)
> >> > Can someone please provide a picture or diagram
> >> > to explain this method. for both straps and rope
> >> > Thanks in advance
> >> >
> >> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> >> Down boy. I said that tongue-in-cheek. Mr. Smith demonstrated with a
> >> >> 2"
> >> >> hardwood dowel. How he instructed us is exactly how I said it, using a
> >> >> the
> >> >> dowel as a toggle through the loop of one of the straps. The dowel
> >> >> doesn't
> >> >> see impact forces. I never said he'd cut down a sapling and strip the
> >> >> bark
> >> >> off. It's just something you carry with you.
> >> >>
> >> >> It stuck with me because (a) he never looped a strap back on itself
> >> >> and
> >> >> (b)
> >> >> as soon as he pulled the dowel out, the straps came right apart
> >> >> without
> >> >> unlooping.
> >> >>
> >> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> >> news:416D3EDB.22505CF4@sympatico.ca...
> >> >>
> >> >>>Wow, that is freaking amazing!!!!
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
> >> >>>enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Maybe he has a death wish?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
> >> >>>holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick
> >> >>>as
> >> >>>part of the structure?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
> >> >>>under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
> >> >>>hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are
> >> >>>talking
> >> >>>an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
> >> >>>momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I
> > sure
> >> >>>as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
> >> >>>the equation!!!!!
> >> >>>
> >> >>>That would just be suicidal. Literally.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how
> > fast
> >> >>>and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
> >> >>>Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
> >> >>>walls.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Mike
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>Mark Smith...
> >> >>>>http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> >>>>news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> >> >>>>>between them so you can pry them apart.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are holding
> >> >>
> >> >> then
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo, two
> >> >>>>>locked together loops.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure.
> > In
> >> >>>>>my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped.
> >> >>
> >> >> Hard!.
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>Mike
> >> >>>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> >>>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he showed
> >> >>
> >> >> us a
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end of
> >> >>
> >> >> Strap
> >> >>
> >> >>>>1
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop of
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Strap 1,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it will
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>break
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should
> >> >>>>>>have
> >> >>
> >> >> a
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several times
> >> >>
> >> >> and
> >> >>
> >> >>>>have
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the
> >> >>
> >> >> dowel
> >> >>
> >> >>>>out
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>and the two straps instantly come apart.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am sure
> >> >>
> >> >> some
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be)
> >> >>
> >> >> looped
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there so
> >> >>
> >> >> the
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>straps
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed. Without
> >> >>
> >> >> the
> >> >>
> >> >>>>dowel,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other due
> >> >>
> >> >> to
> >> >>
> >> >>>>the
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>force of the pull.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>Jerry
> >> >>>>>>>--
> >> >>>>>>>Jerry Bransford
> >> >>>>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >> >>>>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >> >>>>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >> >>>>>>>"aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>
> >> >> news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>Very sad....
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past, but
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>recently a
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden dowel
> >> >>
> >> >> to
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe the
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>dowel
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not have
> >> >>
> >> >> the
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> >> >>>>>>>>"Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have been
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>shed....I
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>don't
> >> >>>>>>>>>know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our friend...
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on
> >> >>
> >> >> tugging
> >> >>
> >> >>>>and
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>what
> >> >>>>>>>>>to use and not to use...
> >> >>>>>>>>>and I have already seen this joining two straps together by a
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>cleavis....
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>I
> >> >>>>>>>>>know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this
> >> >>
> >> >> happen
> >> >>
> >> >>>>in
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>my
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> >> >>>>>>>>>you are in our prayers....
> >> >>>>>>>>>Jeff
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>"JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>>>news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03. ..
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>animals...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>
> > http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>6753&p=1
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>--
> >> >>>>>>>>>>Gene
> >> >>>>>>>>>>Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>--
> >> >>>>>>>> o_o_o_o
> >> >>>>>>>> /| ,[_____],
> >> >>>>>>>> |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> >> >>>>>>>> ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea
#217
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Michigan Jeepers Loose member to strapping accident..
Matt, by the time that toggle connection comes into play, the hook on
the other is is already traveling with a good head of steam - it's had
all the stretch contracting until the toggle goes limp - too late,
it's gone.
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:01:19 UTC "Matt Macchiarolo"
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> Of course the dowel sees the forces of towing, but it is not impact forces
> like a bat and baseball contacting.
>
> If a tow hook goes, then using a dowel as a toggle will mean the connection
> will immediately loosen and absorb some of the projectile energy that would
> otherwise be transmitted to the hook. By using the dowel as a means to
> disconnect the looped-together straps, it becomes part of the projectile as
> well.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:416D4A19.601CB0C1@sympatico.ca...
> > Have you ever snapped a baseball bat? Hooks have even been known to
> > snap and hook bolts shear.
> >
> > The dowel certainly 'does' see the impact forces. 100% of them as a
> > matter of fact.
> >
> > Wow.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > Down boy. I said that tongue-in-cheek. Mr. Smith demonstrated with a 2"
> > > hardwood dowel. How he instructed us is exactly how I said it, using a
> the
> > > dowel as a toggle through the loop of one of the straps. The dowel
> doesn't
> > > see impact forces. I never said he'd cut down a sapling and strip the
> bark
> > > off. It's just something you carry with you.
> > >
> > > It stuck with me because (a) he never looped a strap back on itself and
> (b)
> > > as soon as he pulled the dowel out, the straps came right apart without
> > > unlooping.
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:416D3EDB.22505CF4@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Wow, that is freaking amazing!!!!
> > > >
> > > > I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
> > > > enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe he has a death wish?
> > > >
> > > > Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
> > > > holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick
> as
> > > > part of the structure?
> > > >
> > > > My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
> > > >
> > > > The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
> > > > under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
> > > > hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are
> talking
> > > > an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
> > > >
> > > > So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
> > > > momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I
> sure
> > > > as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
> > > > the equation!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > That would just be suicidal. Literally.
> > > >
> > > > I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how
> fast
> > > > and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
> > > > Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
> > > > walls.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark Smith...
> > > > > http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> > > > > > between them so you can pry them apart.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are
> holding
> > > then
> > > > > > feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo,
> two
> > > > > > locked together loops.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure.
> In
> > > > > > my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped.
> > > Hard!.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he
> showed
> > > us a
> > > > > > > different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end
> of
> > > Strap
> > > > > 1
> > > > > > > through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop
> of
> > > > > Strap 1,
> > > > > > > essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it
> will
> > > > > break
> > > > > > > inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should
> have
> > > a
> > > > > > > minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several
> times
> > > and
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the
> > > dowel
> > > > > out
> > > > > > > and the two straps instantly come apart.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am
> sure
> > > some
> > > > > > > members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> > > > > > > > The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be)
> > > looped
> > > > > > > > through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there
> so
> > > the
> > > > > > > straps
> > > > > > > > can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed.
> Without
> > > the
> > > > > dowel,
> > > > > > > > they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other
> due
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > force of the pull.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > > > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > > > > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > > > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > > > > > > "aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >
> > > news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> > > > > > > > > Very sad....
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past,
> but
> > > > > recently a
> > > > > > > > > wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden
> dowel
> > > to
> > > > > > > > > connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe
> the
> > > > > dowel
> > > > > > > > > would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not
> have
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> > > > > > > > > "Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have
> been
> > > > > shed....I
> > > > > > > > >> don't
> > > > > > > > >> know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our
> friend...
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on
> > > tugging
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >> what
> > > > > > > > >> to use and not to use...
> > > > > > > > >> and I have already seen this joining two straps together by
> a
> > > > > > > cleavis....
> > > > > > > > >> I
> > > > > > > > >> know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this
> > > happen
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > >> presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> > > > > > > > >> you are in our prayers....
> > > > > > > > >> Jeff
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in
> message
> > > > > > > > >> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > > > > > > > >> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
> > > > > animals...
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> > > > > > > > >> 6753&p=1
> > > > > > > > >> > --
> > > > > > > > >> > Gene
> > > > > > > > >> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
>
>
--
Will Honea
the other is is already traveling with a good head of steam - it's had
all the stretch contracting until the toggle goes limp - too late,
it's gone.
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:01:19 UTC "Matt Macchiarolo"
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> Of course the dowel sees the forces of towing, but it is not impact forces
> like a bat and baseball contacting.
>
> If a tow hook goes, then using a dowel as a toggle will mean the connection
> will immediately loosen and absorb some of the projectile energy that would
> otherwise be transmitted to the hook. By using the dowel as a means to
> disconnect the looped-together straps, it becomes part of the projectile as
> well.
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:416D4A19.601CB0C1@sympatico.ca...
> > Have you ever snapped a baseball bat? Hooks have even been known to
> > snap and hook bolts shear.
> >
> > The dowel certainly 'does' see the impact forces. 100% of them as a
> > matter of fact.
> >
> > Wow.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > Down boy. I said that tongue-in-cheek. Mr. Smith demonstrated with a 2"
> > > hardwood dowel. How he instructed us is exactly how I said it, using a
> the
> > > dowel as a toggle through the loop of one of the straps. The dowel
> doesn't
> > > see impact forces. I never said he'd cut down a sapling and strip the
> bark
> > > off. It's just something you carry with you.
> > >
> > > It stuck with me because (a) he never looped a strap back on itself and
> (b)
> > > as soon as he pulled the dowel out, the straps came right apart without
> > > unlooping.
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:416D3EDB.22505CF4@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Wow, that is freaking amazing!!!!
> > > >
> > > > I cannot believe someone who seems so 'Jeep savvy' would be stupid
> > > > enough to rely on an unknown stick to trust his life too.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe he has a death wish?
> > > >
> > > > Are you sure you just didn't mistake his using the stick as a knot
> > > > holder like I describe below so it can be undone for using the stick
> as
> > > > part of the structure?
> > > >
> > > > My straps are rated for 30,000 lb each.
> > > >
> > > > The shear force on a baseball bat or on an ax handle or hammer handle
> > > > under impact is 'not' very high. I have busted more than one by just
> > > > hitting a ball or a log or a board slightly wrong. And you are
> talking
> > > > an unknown freaking chunk of tree?
> > > >
> > > > So when I take my Jeep and '******' a stuck vehicle using vehicle
> > > > momentum to the point of breaking a strap or ripping bumpers off, I
> sure
> > > > as hell wouldn't want to be relying on a stupid stick as the 'fuse' in
> > > > the equation!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > That would just be suicidal. Literally.
> > > >
> > > > I would recommend you watch a Logger's safety video to see just how
> fast
> > > > and hard pieces or chips of wood will fly when broken under pressure.
> > > > Or even hurricane test videos where 2x4's go right through concrete
> > > > walls.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry Matt, but you must be mistaken on the placement of the stick.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark Smith...
> > > > > http://jeepjamboreeusa.com/aboutus.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > Like Steve said, it's a tree with the bark peeled off...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:416C52F5.D28CAF86@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > He just didn't know the right way to use the dowel. :-(
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You put the two loops together so they lock. The dowel just goes
> > > > > > between them so you can pry them apart.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hole one loop up. Put second strap's loop over one you are
> holding
> > > then
> > > > > > feed the second straps other end through the first loop. Bingo,
> two
> > > > > > locked together loops.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wood can go just as ballistic as steel if it snaps under pressure.
> In
> > > > > > my mind the person who showed you that method should be slapped.
> > > Hard!.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I met Mark Smith at a Jeep Jamboree a few years ago, and he
> showed
> > > us a
> > > > > > > different way of connecting straps with a dowel...pull the end
> of
> > > Strap
> > > > > 1
> > > > > > > through the loop of Strap 2, then insert the dowel into the loop
> of
> > > > > Strap 1,
> > > > > > > essentially making the dowel a toggle. If the dowel breaks, it
> will
> > > > > break
> > > > > > > inward, and the wood pieces won't fly toward either vehicle.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I made a dowel out of a hardwood sledgehammer handle. It should
> have
> > > a
> > > > > > > minimum diameter of 2 inches. I've used this method several
> times
> > > and
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > yet to have a problem with breakage, and when done, you slip the
> > > dowel
> > > > > out
> > > > > > > and the two straps instantly come apart.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've never personally met the fellow that was killed, but I am
> sure
> > > some
> > > > > > > members of my off-road club know him. What a tragedy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:R0Tad.29426$_a3.9250@fed1read05...
> > > > > > > > The dowel doesn't really hold the straps, they are (should be)
> > > looped
> > > > > > > > through each other. The dowel is only (should only) be there
> so
> > > the
> > > > > > > straps
> > > > > > > > can be pulled apart after the pull has been completed.
> Without
> > > the
> > > > > dowel,
> > > > > > > > they can be difficult to disengage the straps from each other
> due
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > force of the pull.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > > > > > PP-ASEL N6TAY
> > > > > > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > > > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > > > > > > "aGraham" <aarongraham@mac.com.removeme> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >
> > > news:aarongraham-86F2F0.11170112102004@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> > > > > > > > > Very sad....
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I know I have used a clevis for this purpose in the past,
> but
> > > > > recently a
> > > > > > > > > wheeling buddy showed me how to use a 1.5" diameter wooden
> dowel
> > > to
> > > > > > > > > connect 2 straps when one is not long enough. Would believe
> the
> > > > > dowel
> > > > > > > > > would be the first thing to break, or if not it would not
> have
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > weight/inertia to become a projectile.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Any one have any ideas/cautions on using this instead?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In article <OaSad.79414$vO1.445558@nnrp1.uunet.ca>,
> > > > > > > > > "Jeff" <jrhiltz@av.easlink.ca> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> This is sooo sad....it breaks my heart...the tears have
> been
> > > > > shed....I
> > > > > > > > >> don't
> > > > > > > > >> know the man, but is a Jeeper and means he is all our
> friend...
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> I'm a new Jeeper and our club has had many discussions on
> > > tugging
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > >> what
> > > > > > > > >> to use and not to use...
> > > > > > > > >> and I have already seen this joining two straps together by
> a
> > > > > > > cleavis....
> > > > > > > > >> I
> > > > > > > > >> know I will never see it again NOW....I will never let this
> > > happen
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > >> presence as it has really opened my eyes...
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> God Bless the family and friends of the deceased...
> > > > > > > > >> you are in our prayers....
> > > > > > > > >> Jeff
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in
> message
> > > > > > > > >> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > > > > > > > >> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous
> > > > > animals...
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> > > > > > > > >> 6753&p=1
> > > > > > > > >> > --
> > > > > > > > >> > Gene
> > > > > > > > >> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
>
>
--
Will Honea
#218
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Michigan Jeepers Loose member to strapping accident..
What is with these fools?
Another jerk that wants flying debris!
If these folks are the best that the Jamboree has to offer, then Jeeping
is in big trouble!
I think someone has shown them the 'right' way to do it but they weren't
paying attention so now they are making 'Bad' guesses!
There is one place where you just can't 'fake' it and that is when it
comes to safety.
This is the only safe way to do it and be sure you aren't going to have
flying debris: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
Yes it does come up tight and is a pain to pull apart even with the
dowel in there but it will not fail sending wooden missiles 100's of
feet in all directions.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jeff wrote:
>
> Here's another link
> http://www.novascotiajeepclub.ca/con...s/tip_two.html
> The writer of this article is the Canadian equal to Mark Smith.... John
> Cranfield works for Jeep Jamboree Canada.
> Jeff
>
> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous animals...
> >
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> 6753&p=1
> > --
> > Gene
> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> >
> >
Another jerk that wants flying debris!
If these folks are the best that the Jamboree has to offer, then Jeeping
is in big trouble!
I think someone has shown them the 'right' way to do it but they weren't
paying attention so now they are making 'Bad' guesses!
There is one place where you just can't 'fake' it and that is when it
comes to safety.
This is the only safe way to do it and be sure you aren't going to have
flying debris: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
Yes it does come up tight and is a pain to pull apart even with the
dowel in there but it will not fail sending wooden missiles 100's of
feet in all directions.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jeff wrote:
>
> Here's another link
> http://www.novascotiajeepclub.ca/con...s/tip_two.html
> The writer of this article is the Canadian equal to Mark Smith.... John
> Cranfield works for Jeep Jamboree Canada.
> Jeff
>
> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous animals...
> >
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> 6753&p=1
> > --
> > Gene
> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> >
> >
#219
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Michigan Jeepers Loose member to strapping accident..
What is with these fools?
Another jerk that wants flying debris!
If these folks are the best that the Jamboree has to offer, then Jeeping
is in big trouble!
I think someone has shown them the 'right' way to do it but they weren't
paying attention so now they are making 'Bad' guesses!
There is one place where you just can't 'fake' it and that is when it
comes to safety.
This is the only safe way to do it and be sure you aren't going to have
flying debris: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
Yes it does come up tight and is a pain to pull apart even with the
dowel in there but it will not fail sending wooden missiles 100's of
feet in all directions.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jeff wrote:
>
> Here's another link
> http://www.novascotiajeepclub.ca/con...s/tip_two.html
> The writer of this article is the Canadian equal to Mark Smith.... John
> Cranfield works for Jeep Jamboree Canada.
> Jeff
>
> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous animals...
> >
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> 6753&p=1
> > --
> > Gene
> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> >
> >
Another jerk that wants flying debris!
If these folks are the best that the Jamboree has to offer, then Jeeping
is in big trouble!
I think someone has shown them the 'right' way to do it but they weren't
paying attention so now they are making 'Bad' guesses!
There is one place where you just can't 'fake' it and that is when it
comes to safety.
This is the only safe way to do it and be sure you aren't going to have
flying debris: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
Yes it does come up tight and is a pain to pull apart even with the
dowel in there but it will not fail sending wooden missiles 100's of
feet in all directions.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jeff wrote:
>
> Here's another link
> http://www.novascotiajeepclub.ca/con...s/tip_two.html
> The writer of this article is the Canadian equal to Mark Smith.... John
> Cranfield works for Jeep Jamboree Canada.
> Jeff
>
> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous animals...
> >
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> 6753&p=1
> > --
> > Gene
> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> >
> >
#220
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Michigan Jeepers Loose member to strapping accident..
What is with these fools?
Another jerk that wants flying debris!
If these folks are the best that the Jamboree has to offer, then Jeeping
is in big trouble!
I think someone has shown them the 'right' way to do it but they weren't
paying attention so now they are making 'Bad' guesses!
There is one place where you just can't 'fake' it and that is when it
comes to safety.
This is the only safe way to do it and be sure you aren't going to have
flying debris: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
Yes it does come up tight and is a pain to pull apart even with the
dowel in there but it will not fail sending wooden missiles 100's of
feet in all directions.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jeff wrote:
>
> Here's another link
> http://www.novascotiajeepclub.ca/con...s/tip_two.html
> The writer of this article is the Canadian equal to Mark Smith.... John
> Cranfield works for Jeep Jamboree Canada.
> Jeff
>
> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous animals...
> >
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> 6753&p=1
> > --
> > Gene
> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> >
> >
Another jerk that wants flying debris!
If these folks are the best that the Jamboree has to offer, then Jeeping
is in big trouble!
I think someone has shown them the 'right' way to do it but they weren't
paying attention so now they are making 'Bad' guesses!
There is one place where you just can't 'fake' it and that is when it
comes to safety.
This is the only safe way to do it and be sure you aren't going to have
flying debris: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
Yes it does come up tight and is a pain to pull apart even with the
dowel in there but it will not fail sending wooden missiles 100's of
feet in all directions.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jeff wrote:
>
> Here's another link
> http://www.novascotiajeepclub.ca/con...s/tip_two.html
> The writer of this article is the Canadian equal to Mark Smith.... John
> Cranfield works for Jeep Jamboree Canada.
> Jeff
>
> "JeepNutz" <jeepinDAMMITgene@ISAID.NO.SPAM> wrote in message
> news:RhCad.243631$3l3.183113@attbi_s03...
> > To all the newbies out there.. straps are dangerous animals...
> >
> http://michiganjeepers.com/eve/ubb.x...109322&m=90210
> 6753&p=1
> > --
> > Gene
> > Jeep, because life is an adventure, not a race.
> >
> >