Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
05-27-2006, 08:23 PM
#51
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
If you have any electonics near a relay coil, is good idea to use a
diode or even better a diode and resistor to get rid of the inductive
kick that can literally punch holes in solid state devices.
Those need a bit of current and high voltage to deal with the kick.
Some folks idiot proof connections with diodes... kinda like the phone
sets that work no matter whether tip and ring are reversed or not.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Hi Brian,
> I can't think of a reason you would need a diode with a relay. Just
> hook it up like you see used on a car and starter. With a push button
> hot triggering the solenoid.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
>>Hey Bill,
>>
>>The battery is a full size auto battery. I think the intermitent usage of
>>this winch probably doesnt deserve any more than this.
>>Did you check out the link I sent in the OP.? I would sub relays into the
>>circuit instead of solenoids. My concern, do I need to protect the relays
>>with Diodes? This would be on the 30/51 "Load" connection on each relay. It
>>would prevent current flow back into the relays that are unused during the
>>forward or reverse operation.
>>
>>Brian
diode or even better a diode and resistor to get rid of the inductive
kick that can literally punch holes in solid state devices.
Those need a bit of current and high voltage to deal with the kick.
Some folks idiot proof connections with diodes... kinda like the phone
sets that work no matter whether tip and ring are reversed or not.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Hi Brian,
> I can't think of a reason you would need a diode with a relay. Just
> hook it up like you see used on a car and starter. With a push button
> hot triggering the solenoid.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
>>Hey Bill,
>>
>>The battery is a full size auto battery. I think the intermitent usage of
>>this winch probably doesnt deserve any more than this.
>>Did you check out the link I sent in the OP.? I would sub relays into the
>>circuit instead of solenoids. My concern, do I need to protect the relays
>>with Diodes? This would be on the 30/51 "Load" connection on each relay. It
>>would prevent current flow back into the relays that are unused during the
>>forward or reverse operation.
>>
>>Brian
05-27-2006, 08:23 PM
#52
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
If you have any electonics near a relay coil, is good idea to use a
diode or even better a diode and resistor to get rid of the inductive
kick that can literally punch holes in solid state devices.
Those need a bit of current and high voltage to deal with the kick.
Some folks idiot proof connections with diodes... kinda like the phone
sets that work no matter whether tip and ring are reversed or not.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Hi Brian,
> I can't think of a reason you would need a diode with a relay. Just
> hook it up like you see used on a car and starter. With a push button
> hot triggering the solenoid.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
>>Hey Bill,
>>
>>The battery is a full size auto battery. I think the intermitent usage of
>>this winch probably doesnt deserve any more than this.
>>Did you check out the link I sent in the OP.? I would sub relays into the
>>circuit instead of solenoids. My concern, do I need to protect the relays
>>with Diodes? This would be on the 30/51 "Load" connection on each relay. It
>>would prevent current flow back into the relays that are unused during the
>>forward or reverse operation.
>>
>>Brian
diode or even better a diode and resistor to get rid of the inductive
kick that can literally punch holes in solid state devices.
Those need a bit of current and high voltage to deal with the kick.
Some folks idiot proof connections with diodes... kinda like the phone
sets that work no matter whether tip and ring are reversed or not.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Hi Brian,
> I can't think of a reason you would need a diode with a relay. Just
> hook it up like you see used on a car and starter. With a push button
> hot triggering the solenoid.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
>>Hey Bill,
>>
>>The battery is a full size auto battery. I think the intermitent usage of
>>this winch probably doesnt deserve any more than this.
>>Did you check out the link I sent in the OP.? I would sub relays into the
>>circuit instead of solenoids. My concern, do I need to protect the relays
>>with Diodes? This would be on the 30/51 "Load" connection on each relay. It
>>would prevent current flow back into the relays that are unused during the
>>forward or reverse operation.
>>
>>Brian
05-27-2006, 08:48 PM
#53
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Judging by the size of the three or four diodes in an alternator,
they'd be huge, and you think there's still a reason to isolate the
solenoid on a trailer?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> If you have any electonics near a relay coil, is good idea to use a
> diode or even better a diode and resistor to get rid of the inductive
> kick that can literally punch holes in solid state devices.
> Those need a bit of current and high voltage to deal with the kick.
>
> Some folks idiot proof connections with diodes... kinda like the phone
> sets that work no matter whether tip and ring are reversed or not.
they'd be huge, and you think there's still a reason to isolate the
solenoid on a trailer?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> If you have any electonics near a relay coil, is good idea to use a
> diode or even better a diode and resistor to get rid of the inductive
> kick that can literally punch holes in solid state devices.
> Those need a bit of current and high voltage to deal with the kick.
>
> Some folks idiot proof connections with diodes... kinda like the phone
> sets that work no matter whether tip and ring are reversed or not.
05-27-2006, 08:48 PM
#54
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Judging by the size of the three or four diodes in an alternator,
they'd be huge, and you think there's still a reason to isolate the
solenoid on a trailer?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> If you have any electonics near a relay coil, is good idea to use a
> diode or even better a diode and resistor to get rid of the inductive
> kick that can literally punch holes in solid state devices.
> Those need a bit of current and high voltage to deal with the kick.
>
> Some folks idiot proof connections with diodes... kinda like the phone
> sets that work no matter whether tip and ring are reversed or not.
they'd be huge, and you think there's still a reason to isolate the
solenoid on a trailer?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> If you have any electonics near a relay coil, is good idea to use a
> diode or even better a diode and resistor to get rid of the inductive
> kick that can literally punch holes in solid state devices.
> Those need a bit of current and high voltage to deal with the kick.
>
> Some folks idiot proof connections with diodes... kinda like the phone
> sets that work no matter whether tip and ring are reversed or not.
05-27-2006, 08:48 PM
#55
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Judging by the size of the three or four diodes in an alternator,
they'd be huge, and you think there's still a reason to isolate the
solenoid on a trailer?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> If you have any electonics near a relay coil, is good idea to use a
> diode or even better a diode and resistor to get rid of the inductive
> kick that can literally punch holes in solid state devices.
> Those need a bit of current and high voltage to deal with the kick.
>
> Some folks idiot proof connections with diodes... kinda like the phone
> sets that work no matter whether tip and ring are reversed or not.
they'd be huge, and you think there's still a reason to isolate the
solenoid on a trailer?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> If you have any electonics near a relay coil, is good idea to use a
> diode or even better a diode and resistor to get rid of the inductive
> kick that can literally punch holes in solid state devices.
> Those need a bit of current and high voltage to deal with the kick.
>
> Some folks idiot proof connections with diodes... kinda like the phone
> sets that work no matter whether tip and ring are reversed or not.
05-27-2006, 10:15 PM
#56
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
I would. At least on any car that has any sort of solid state devices
on it.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Judging by the size of the three or four diodes in an alternator,
> they'd be huge, and you think there's still a reason to isolate the
> solenoid on a trailer?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>If you have any electonics near a relay coil, is good idea to use a
>>diode or even better a diode and resistor to get rid of the inductive
>>kick that can literally punch holes in solid state devices.
>>Those need a bit of current and high voltage to deal with the kick.
>>
>>Some folks idiot proof connections with diodes... kinda like the phone
>>sets that work no matter whether tip and ring are reversed or not.
on it.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Judging by the size of the three or four diodes in an alternator,
> they'd be huge, and you think there's still a reason to isolate the
> solenoid on a trailer?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>If you have any electonics near a relay coil, is good idea to use a
>>diode or even better a diode and resistor to get rid of the inductive
>>kick that can literally punch holes in solid state devices.
>>Those need a bit of current and high voltage to deal with the kick.
>>
>>Some folks idiot proof connections with diodes... kinda like the phone
>>sets that work no matter whether tip and ring are reversed or not.
05-27-2006, 10:15 PM
#57
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
I would. At least on any car that has any sort of solid state devices
on it.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Judging by the size of the three or four diodes in an alternator,
> they'd be huge, and you think there's still a reason to isolate the
> solenoid on a trailer?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>If you have any electonics near a relay coil, is good idea to use a
>>diode or even better a diode and resistor to get rid of the inductive
>>kick that can literally punch holes in solid state devices.
>>Those need a bit of current and high voltage to deal with the kick.
>>
>>Some folks idiot proof connections with diodes... kinda like the phone
>>sets that work no matter whether tip and ring are reversed or not.
on it.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Judging by the size of the three or four diodes in an alternator,
> they'd be huge, and you think there's still a reason to isolate the
> solenoid on a trailer?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>If you have any electonics near a relay coil, is good idea to use a
>>diode or even better a diode and resistor to get rid of the inductive
>>kick that can literally punch holes in solid state devices.
>>Those need a bit of current and high voltage to deal with the kick.
>>
>>Some folks idiot proof connections with diodes... kinda like the phone
>>sets that work no matter whether tip and ring are reversed or not.
05-27-2006, 10:15 PM
#58
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
I would. At least on any car that has any sort of solid state devices
on it.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Judging by the size of the three or four diodes in an alternator,
> they'd be huge, and you think there's still a reason to isolate the
> solenoid on a trailer?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>If you have any electonics near a relay coil, is good idea to use a
>>diode or even better a diode and resistor to get rid of the inductive
>>kick that can literally punch holes in solid state devices.
>>Those need a bit of current and high voltage to deal with the kick.
>>
>>Some folks idiot proof connections with diodes... kinda like the phone
>>sets that work no matter whether tip and ring are reversed or not.
on it.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Judging by the size of the three or four diodes in an alternator,
> they'd be huge, and you think there's still a reason to isolate the
> solenoid on a trailer?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>If you have any electonics near a relay coil, is good idea to use a
>>diode or even better a diode and resistor to get rid of the inductive
>>kick that can literally punch holes in solid state devices.
>>Those need a bit of current and high voltage to deal with the kick.
>>
>>Some folks idiot proof connections with diodes... kinda like the phone
>>sets that work no matter whether tip and ring are reversed or not.
05-27-2006, 11:56 PM
#59
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Hi Mike,
I decided to take everyones advice on this. I bought 4 Jeep/Ford solenoids
at the local Farm & Fleet today. I still need to pick up some wire, but am
thinking battery cables might do the trick if I can find them cheap enough.
It seems my project is getting more expensive everyday. Anyone know what the
minimum gauge on the excite wires should be for these solenoids? I am taking
a wild guess and say 18ga.
Brian
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca...
>I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
> winch amp load.
>
> I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
> blow the heat shrink off them.
>
> The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
> that route.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>>
>> Ok,
>>
>> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
>> on
>> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
>> topic)
>>
>> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
>> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
>> 3K
>> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
>> because
>> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
>> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>>
>> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
>> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
>> thru ground of trailer frame
>>
>> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
>> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
>> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>>
>> Brian
>
I decided to take everyones advice on this. I bought 4 Jeep/Ford solenoids
at the local Farm & Fleet today. I still need to pick up some wire, but am
thinking battery cables might do the trick if I can find them cheap enough.
It seems my project is getting more expensive everyday. Anyone know what the
minimum gauge on the excite wires should be for these solenoids? I am taking
a wild guess and say 18ga.
Brian
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca...
>I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
> winch amp load.
>
> I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
> blow the heat shrink off them.
>
> The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
> that route.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>>
>> Ok,
>>
>> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
>> on
>> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
>> topic)
>>
>> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
>> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
>> 3K
>> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
>> because
>> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
>> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>>
>> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
>> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
>> thru ground of trailer frame
>>
>> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
>> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
>> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>>
>> Brian
>
05-27-2006, 11:56 PM
#60
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Hi Mike,
I decided to take everyones advice on this. I bought 4 Jeep/Ford solenoids
at the local Farm & Fleet today. I still need to pick up some wire, but am
thinking battery cables might do the trick if I can find them cheap enough.
It seems my project is getting more expensive everyday. Anyone know what the
minimum gauge on the excite wires should be for these solenoids? I am taking
a wild guess and say 18ga.
Brian
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca...
>I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
> winch amp load.
>
> I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
> blow the heat shrink off them.
>
> The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
> that route.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>>
>> Ok,
>>
>> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
>> on
>> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
>> topic)
>>
>> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
>> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
>> 3K
>> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
>> because
>> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
>> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>>
>> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
>> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
>> thru ground of trailer frame
>>
>> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
>> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
>> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>>
>> Brian
>
I decided to take everyones advice on this. I bought 4 Jeep/Ford solenoids
at the local Farm & Fleet today. I still need to pick up some wire, but am
thinking battery cables might do the trick if I can find them cheap enough.
It seems my project is getting more expensive everyday. Anyone know what the
minimum gauge on the excite wires should be for these solenoids? I am taking
a wild guess and say 18ga.
Brian
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca...
>I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
> winch amp load.
>
> I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
> blow the heat shrink off them.
>
> The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
> that route.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>>
>> Ok,
>>
>> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
>> on
>> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
>> topic)
>>
>> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
>> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
>> 3K
>> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
>> because
>> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
>> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>>
>> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
>> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
>> thru ground of trailer frame
>>
>> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
>> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
>> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>>
>> Brian
>
