Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
05-27-2006, 02:47 AM
#11
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
But you need a bigger box and battery as the original was just big
enough for the break-away brakes.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Hi Earle,
>
> I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was
> guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to
> relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the
> amperage pull off the battery.
>
> Brian
enough for the break-away brakes.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Hi Earle,
>
> I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was
> guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to
> relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the
> amperage pull off the battery.
>
> Brian
05-27-2006, 02:47 AM
#12
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
But you need a bigger box and battery as the original was just big
enough for the break-away brakes.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Hi Earle,
>
> I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was
> guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to
> relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the
> amperage pull off the battery.
>
> Brian
enough for the break-away brakes.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Hi Earle,
>
> I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was
> guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to
> relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the
> amperage pull off the battery.
>
> Brian
05-27-2006, 02:47 AM
#13
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
But you need a bigger box and battery as the original was just big
enough for the break-away brakes.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Hi Earle,
>
> I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was
> guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to
> relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the
> amperage pull off the battery.
>
> Brian
enough for the break-away brakes.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Hi Earle,
>
> I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was
> guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to
> relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the
> amperage pull off the battery.
>
> Brian
05-27-2006, 09:16 AM
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
winch amp load.
I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
blow the heat shrink off them.
The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
that route.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Ok,
>
> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted on
> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on topic)
>
> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than 3K
> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays because
> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>
> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
> thru ground of trailer frame
>
> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>
> Brian
winch amp load.
I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
blow the heat shrink off them.
The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
that route.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Ok,
>
> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted on
> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on topic)
>
> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than 3K
> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays because
> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>
> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
> thru ground of trailer frame
>
> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>
> Brian
05-27-2006, 09:16 AM
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
winch amp load.
I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
blow the heat shrink off them.
The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
that route.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Ok,
>
> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted on
> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on topic)
>
> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than 3K
> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays because
> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>
> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
> thru ground of trailer frame
>
> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>
> Brian
winch amp load.
I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
blow the heat shrink off them.
The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
that route.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Ok,
>
> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted on
> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on topic)
>
> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than 3K
> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays because
> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>
> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
> thru ground of trailer frame
>
> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>
> Brian
05-27-2006, 09:16 AM
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
winch amp load.
I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
blow the heat shrink off them.
The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
that route.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Ok,
>
> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted on
> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on topic)
>
> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than 3K
> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays because
> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>
> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
> thru ground of trailer frame
>
> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>
> Brian
winch amp load.
I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
blow the heat shrink off them.
The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
that route.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>
> Ok,
>
> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted on
> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on topic)
>
> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than 3K
> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays because
> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>
> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
> thru ground of trailer frame
>
> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>
> Brian
05-27-2006, 09:33 AM
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Hey Bill,
The battery is a full size auto battery. I think the intermitent usage of
this winch probably doesnt deserve any more than this.
Did you check out the link I sent in the OP.? I would sub relays into the
circuit instead of solenoids. My concern, do I need to protect the relays
with Diodes? This would be on the 30/51 "Load" connection on each relay. It
would prevent current flow back into the relays that are unused during the
forward or reverse operation.
Brian
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4477F61B.F1DABC65@***.net...
> But you need a bigger box and battery as the original was just big
> enough for the break-away brakes.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>>
>> Hi Earle,
>>
>> I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I
>> was
>> guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to
>> relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the
>> amperage pull off the battery.
>>
>> Brian
The battery is a full size auto battery. I think the intermitent usage of
this winch probably doesnt deserve any more than this.
Did you check out the link I sent in the OP.? I would sub relays into the
circuit instead of solenoids. My concern, do I need to protect the relays
with Diodes? This would be on the 30/51 "Load" connection on each relay. It
would prevent current flow back into the relays that are unused during the
forward or reverse operation.
Brian
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4477F61B.F1DABC65@***.net...
> But you need a bigger box and battery as the original was just big
> enough for the break-away brakes.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>>
>> Hi Earle,
>>
>> I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I
>> was
>> guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to
>> relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the
>> amperage pull off the battery.
>>
>> Brian
05-27-2006, 09:33 AM
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Hey Bill,
The battery is a full size auto battery. I think the intermitent usage of
this winch probably doesnt deserve any more than this.
Did you check out the link I sent in the OP.? I would sub relays into the
circuit instead of solenoids. My concern, do I need to protect the relays
with Diodes? This would be on the 30/51 "Load" connection on each relay. It
would prevent current flow back into the relays that are unused during the
forward or reverse operation.
Brian
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4477F61B.F1DABC65@***.net...
> But you need a bigger box and battery as the original was just big
> enough for the break-away brakes.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>>
>> Hi Earle,
>>
>> I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I
>> was
>> guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to
>> relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the
>> amperage pull off the battery.
>>
>> Brian
The battery is a full size auto battery. I think the intermitent usage of
this winch probably doesnt deserve any more than this.
Did you check out the link I sent in the OP.? I would sub relays into the
circuit instead of solenoids. My concern, do I need to protect the relays
with Diodes? This would be on the 30/51 "Load" connection on each relay. It
would prevent current flow back into the relays that are unused during the
forward or reverse operation.
Brian
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4477F61B.F1DABC65@***.net...
> But you need a bigger box and battery as the original was just big
> enough for the break-away brakes.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>>
>> Hi Earle,
>>
>> I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I
>> was
>> guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to
>> relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the
>> amperage pull off the battery.
>>
>> Brian
05-27-2006, 09:33 AM
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Hey Bill,
The battery is a full size auto battery. I think the intermitent usage of
this winch probably doesnt deserve any more than this.
Did you check out the link I sent in the OP.? I would sub relays into the
circuit instead of solenoids. My concern, do I need to protect the relays
with Diodes? This would be on the 30/51 "Load" connection on each relay. It
would prevent current flow back into the relays that are unused during the
forward or reverse operation.
Brian
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4477F61B.F1DABC65@***.net...
> But you need a bigger box and battery as the original was just big
> enough for the break-away brakes.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>>
>> Hi Earle,
>>
>> I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I
>> was
>> guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to
>> relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the
>> amperage pull off the battery.
>>
>> Brian
The battery is a full size auto battery. I think the intermitent usage of
this winch probably doesnt deserve any more than this.
Did you check out the link I sent in the OP.? I would sub relays into the
circuit instead of solenoids. My concern, do I need to protect the relays
with Diodes? This would be on the 30/51 "Load" connection on each relay. It
would prevent current flow back into the relays that are unused during the
forward or reverse operation.
Brian
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4477F61B.F1DABC65@***.net...
> But you need a bigger box and battery as the original was just big
> enough for the break-away brakes.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>>
>> Hi Earle,
>>
>> I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I
>> was
>> guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to
>> relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the
>> amperage pull off the battery.
>>
>> Brian
05-27-2006, 09:37 AM
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Re: Maybe slightly OT. trailer winch wiring
Mike,
The relays are 30 amp. The winch is very small, I'm guessing 2500 maybe 3000
lb capacity. I'll post a pic on Alt.Pictures.Binaries.Autos.4x4 in a few
minutes.
Brian
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca...
>I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
> winch amp load.
>
> I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
> blow the heat shrink off them.
>
> The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
> that route.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>>
>> Ok,
>>
>> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
>> on
>> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
>> topic)
>>
>> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
>> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
>> 3K
>> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
>> because
>> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
>> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>>
>> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
>> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
>> thru ground of trailer frame
>>
>> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
>> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
>> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>>
>> Brian
>
The relays are 30 amp. The winch is very small, I'm guessing 2500 maybe 3000
lb capacity. I'll post a pic on Alt.Pictures.Binaries.Autos.4x4 in a few
minutes.
Brian
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44785124.8C61E9DA@sympatico.ca...
>I do not believe the headlight relays are large enough to carry the
> winch amp load.
>
> I stalled my winch once and smoked out the 4? ga. cables hot enough to
> blow the heat shrink off them.
>
> The wiring is the same to just use solenoid relays instead, I would go
> that route.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Bulletsnbrains wrote:
>>
>> Ok,
>>
>> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
>> on
>> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
>> topic)
>>
>> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
>> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
>> 3K
>> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
>> because
>> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
>> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>>
>> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
>> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
>> thru ground of trailer frame
>>
>> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
>> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
>> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>>
>> Brian
>