Bulletsnbrains

Ok,

Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted on
the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on topic)

I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than 3K
lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays because
of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.

I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
thru ground of trailer frame

I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241

Brian

Earle Horton

If you are going to put the winch on the trailer, then you may want to put a
battery there too. Add the length of your tow vehicle, to the distance from
the trailer tongue to the winch motor. That is how much big, fat jumper
cable style wire you will need, if you don't. Make it a deep cycle motor
home battery, connected to your tow vehicle charging system, with an
isolation switch.

The relay diagram looks as if it will work. Print three copies, and pencil
in what happens, for each switch position.

Earle

"Bulletsnbrains" <bstrang@nopants.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:CFPdg.34323$4L1.34040@newssvr11.news.prodigy. com...
> Ok,
>
> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
on
> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on topic)
>
> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
3K
> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays because
> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>
> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
> thru ground of trailer frame
>
> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>



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Earle Horton

If you are going to put the winch on the trailer, then you may want to put a
battery there too. Add the length of your tow vehicle, to the distance from
the trailer tongue to the winch motor. That is how much big, fat jumper
cable style wire you will need, if you don't. Make it a deep cycle motor
home battery, connected to your tow vehicle charging system, with an
isolation switch.

The relay diagram looks as if it will work. Print three copies, and pencil
in what happens, for each switch position.

Earle

"Bulletsnbrains" <bstrang@nopants.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:CFPdg.34323$4L1.34040@newssvr11.news.prodigy. com...
> Ok,
>
> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
on
> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on topic)
>
> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
3K
> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays because
> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>
> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
> thru ground of trailer frame
>
> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>



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Earle Horton

If you are going to put the winch on the trailer, then you may want to put a
battery there too. Add the length of your tow vehicle, to the distance from
the trailer tongue to the winch motor. That is how much big, fat jumper
cable style wire you will need, if you don't. Make it a deep cycle motor
home battery, connected to your tow vehicle charging system, with an
isolation switch.

The relay diagram looks as if it will work. Print three copies, and pencil
in what happens, for each switch position.

Earle

"Bulletsnbrains" <bstrang@nopants.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:CFPdg.34323$4L1.34040@newssvr11.news.prodigy. com...
> Ok,
>
> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
on
> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on topic)
>
> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
3K
> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays because
> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>
> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
> thru ground of trailer frame
>
> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>



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Bulletsnbrains

Hi Earle,

I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was
guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to
relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the
amperage pull off the battery.


Brian

"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:4477c0ab$0$24229$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> If you are going to put the winch on the trailer, then you may want to put
> a
> battery there too. Add the length of your tow vehicle, to the distance
> from
> the trailer tongue to the winch motor. That is how much big, fat jumper
> cable style wire you will need, if you don't. Make it a deep cycle motor
> home battery, connected to your tow vehicle charging system, with an
> isolation switch.
>
> The relay diagram looks as if it will work. Print three copies, and
> pencil
> in what happens, for each switch position.
>
> Earle
>
> "Bulletsnbrains" <bstrang@nopants.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:CFPdg.34323$4L1.34040@newssvr11.news.prodigy. com...
>> Ok,
>>
>> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
> on
>> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
>> topic)
>>
>> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
>> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
> 3K
>> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
>> because
>> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
>> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>>
>> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
>> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
>> thru ground of trailer frame
>>
>> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
>> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
>> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Bulletsnbrains

Hi Earle,

I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was
guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to
relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the
amperage pull off the battery.


Brian

"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:4477c0ab$0$24229$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> If you are going to put the winch on the trailer, then you may want to put
> a
> battery there too. Add the length of your tow vehicle, to the distance
> from
> the trailer tongue to the winch motor. That is how much big, fat jumper
> cable style wire you will need, if you don't. Make it a deep cycle motor
> home battery, connected to your tow vehicle charging system, with an
> isolation switch.
>
> The relay diagram looks as if it will work. Print three copies, and
> pencil
> in what happens, for each switch position.
>
> Earle
>
> "Bulletsnbrains" <bstrang@nopants.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:CFPdg.34323$4L1.34040@newssvr11.news.prodigy. com...
>> Ok,
>>
>> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
> on
>> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
>> topic)
>>
>> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
>> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
> 3K
>> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
>> because
>> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
>> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>>
>> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
>> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
>> thru ground of trailer frame
>>
>> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
>> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
>> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Bulletsnbrains

Hi Earle,

I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was
guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to
relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the
amperage pull off the battery.


Brian

"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:4477c0ab$0$24229$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
> If you are going to put the winch on the trailer, then you may want to put
> a
> battery there too. Add the length of your tow vehicle, to the distance
> from
> the trailer tongue to the winch motor. That is how much big, fat jumper
> cable style wire you will need, if you don't. Make it a deep cycle motor
> home battery, connected to your tow vehicle charging system, with an
> isolation switch.
>
> The relay diagram looks as if it will work. Print three copies, and
> pencil
> in what happens, for each switch position.
>
> Earle
>
> "Bulletsnbrains" <bstrang@nopants.sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:CFPdg.34323$4L1.34040@newssvr11.news.prodigy. com...
>> Ok,
>>
>> Here goes.... I am trying to wire an old "unknown" electric winch mounted
> on
>> the trailer that will be used to haul Jeeps.( there's the slight on
>> topic)
>>
>> I have the idea that it will have a 25' remote with momentary on-off-on
>> toggle, and 4 relays. because the winch couldn't possibly be larger than
> 3K
>> lb. The question I would have is it nescessary to diode the relays
>> because
>> of the fact i'm not using solenoids? The relays are the typical firewall
>> mount with the terminals 30/51, 85, 86, 87 connections rated at 30amp.
>>
>> I verified that the winch motor terminals(2) are the only electrical
>> contacts. Reverse polarity and reverse motor rotation. No juice provided
>> thru ground of trailer frame
>>
>> I found this link to some wiring diagrams and the last one is almost
>> identical to the one I had thought out and drawn before my I'net search.
>> http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=401241
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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DougW

Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> Hi Earle,
>
> I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was
> guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to
> relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the
> amperage pull off the battery.

12V
Amps Watts 3' 5' 7' 10' 15' 20' 25'
50 300 16 14 12 12 10 10 8
100 600 12 12 10 10 6 6 4
150 900 10 10 8 8 4 4 2
200 1200 10 8 8 6 4 4 2


--
DougW

DougW

Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> Hi Earle,
>
> I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was
> guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to
> relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the
> amperage pull off the battery.

12V
Amps Watts 3' 5' 7' 10' 15' 20' 25'
50 300 16 14 12 12 10 10 8
100 600 12 12 10 10 6 6 4
150 900 10 10 8 8 4 4 2
200 1200 10 8 8 6 4 4 2


--
DougW

DougW

Bulletsnbrains did pass the time by typing:
> Hi Earle,
>
> I forgot to mention that a battery box is within a foot of the winch. I was
> guessing 8 gauge, maybe 10 gauge wire from relays to motor and battery to
> relays. If I knew more about this winch, I wouldn't need to guess the
> amperage pull off the battery.

12V
Amps Watts 3' 5' 7' 10' 15' 20' 25'
50 300 16 14 12 12 10 10 8
100 600 12 12 10 10 6 6 4
150 900 10 10 8 8 4 4 2
200 1200 10 8 8 6 4 4 2


--
DougW