Locker abuse
06-01-2005, 06:21 PM
#71
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Re: Locker abuse
Jeff???????????? WILL YOU REREAD IT!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I actually
needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock hill. And so,
naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I bought a H-D
replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more expensive part
the weak link.
I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for an '85 CJ-7
Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out there? Does
anyone know any special tricks that would help me out? Do I also need
to replace any seals or gaskets while I'm at it? One thing that has me
worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube. I guess
it's just a pressed in seal or guide. It's been knocked loose by the
wobbling axle shaft. Does it press in place? Is it just a splash seal?
I don't see this part on the exploded views in the books or catalogs I
have.
I did a Google search and found a couple of posts by Jeff Strickland
that make the job sound pretty straight forward.
He says
"Remove the hub locks.
Remove the brake rotors.
Remove the large spindle nuts from inside the spindles and pull the
hubs off.
Remove 6 nuts holding the dust shield on and remove the shield.
Use a large rubber mallet, or a board and a hammer to nudge the
spindles off.
Slide the axle shafts out and replace the UJoints.
Assemble in reverse order.
Torque the inner spindle nut to 80 pounds and spin the tire around
several times and re-torque. Repeat until you are confident the
spindles are tight.
Torque the outer spindle nut to 50 pounds. DON'T FORGET the washer
between these two nuts, and DON'T FORGET to bend one side over so it
will hold the outside spindle nut.; This washer is really a cleverly
disguised locking device; use it.
Torque the dust shield nuts to 50 pounds."
Is there anything else I need to know?
And yes, I still made it up the rock face, and back out through some
right slick and tricky stuff in 3-wheel drive.
TrailMarker."
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> The Original Poster asked,
> "... I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for an '85 CJ-7
> Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out there? Does ..."
>
> I don't know what you are smoking, but I could use some.
"Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I actually
needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock hill. And so,
naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I bought a H-D
replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more expensive part
the weak link.
I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for an '85 CJ-7
Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out there? Does
anyone know any special tricks that would help me out? Do I also need
to replace any seals or gaskets while I'm at it? One thing that has me
worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube. I guess
it's just a pressed in seal or guide. It's been knocked loose by the
wobbling axle shaft. Does it press in place? Is it just a splash seal?
I don't see this part on the exploded views in the books or catalogs I
have.
I did a Google search and found a couple of posts by Jeff Strickland
that make the job sound pretty straight forward.
He says
"Remove the hub locks.
Remove the brake rotors.
Remove the large spindle nuts from inside the spindles and pull the
hubs off.
Remove 6 nuts holding the dust shield on and remove the shield.
Use a large rubber mallet, or a board and a hammer to nudge the
spindles off.
Slide the axle shafts out and replace the UJoints.
Assemble in reverse order.
Torque the inner spindle nut to 80 pounds and spin the tire around
several times and re-torque. Repeat until you are confident the
spindles are tight.
Torque the outer spindle nut to 50 pounds. DON'T FORGET the washer
between these two nuts, and DON'T FORGET to bend one side over so it
will hold the outside spindle nut.; This washer is really a cleverly
disguised locking device; use it.
Torque the dust shield nuts to 50 pounds."
Is there anything else I need to know?
And yes, I still made it up the rock face, and back out through some
right slick and tricky stuff in 3-wheel drive.
TrailMarker."
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> The Original Poster asked,
> "... I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for an '85 CJ-7
> Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out there? Does ..."
>
> I don't know what you are smoking, but I could use some.
06-01-2005, 06:21 PM
#72
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Re: Locker abuse
Jeff???????????? WILL YOU REREAD IT!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I actually
needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock hill. And so,
naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I bought a H-D
replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more expensive part
the weak link.
I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for an '85 CJ-7
Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out there? Does
anyone know any special tricks that would help me out? Do I also need
to replace any seals or gaskets while I'm at it? One thing that has me
worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube. I guess
it's just a pressed in seal or guide. It's been knocked loose by the
wobbling axle shaft. Does it press in place? Is it just a splash seal?
I don't see this part on the exploded views in the books or catalogs I
have.
I did a Google search and found a couple of posts by Jeff Strickland
that make the job sound pretty straight forward.
He says
"Remove the hub locks.
Remove the brake rotors.
Remove the large spindle nuts from inside the spindles and pull the
hubs off.
Remove 6 nuts holding the dust shield on and remove the shield.
Use a large rubber mallet, or a board and a hammer to nudge the
spindles off.
Slide the axle shafts out and replace the UJoints.
Assemble in reverse order.
Torque the inner spindle nut to 80 pounds and spin the tire around
several times and re-torque. Repeat until you are confident the
spindles are tight.
Torque the outer spindle nut to 50 pounds. DON'T FORGET the washer
between these two nuts, and DON'T FORGET to bend one side over so it
will hold the outside spindle nut.; This washer is really a cleverly
disguised locking device; use it.
Torque the dust shield nuts to 50 pounds."
Is there anything else I need to know?
And yes, I still made it up the rock face, and back out through some
right slick and tricky stuff in 3-wheel drive.
TrailMarker."
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> The Original Poster asked,
> "... I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for an '85 CJ-7
> Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out there? Does ..."
>
> I don't know what you are smoking, but I could use some.
"Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I actually
needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock hill. And so,
naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I bought a H-D
replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more expensive part
the weak link.
I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for an '85 CJ-7
Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out there? Does
anyone know any special tricks that would help me out? Do I also need
to replace any seals or gaskets while I'm at it? One thing that has me
worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube. I guess
it's just a pressed in seal or guide. It's been knocked loose by the
wobbling axle shaft. Does it press in place? Is it just a splash seal?
I don't see this part on the exploded views in the books or catalogs I
have.
I did a Google search and found a couple of posts by Jeff Strickland
that make the job sound pretty straight forward.
He says
"Remove the hub locks.
Remove the brake rotors.
Remove the large spindle nuts from inside the spindles and pull the
hubs off.
Remove 6 nuts holding the dust shield on and remove the shield.
Use a large rubber mallet, or a board and a hammer to nudge the
spindles off.
Slide the axle shafts out and replace the UJoints.
Assemble in reverse order.
Torque the inner spindle nut to 80 pounds and spin the tire around
several times and re-torque. Repeat until you are confident the
spindles are tight.
Torque the outer spindle nut to 50 pounds. DON'T FORGET the washer
between these two nuts, and DON'T FORGET to bend one side over so it
will hold the outside spindle nut.; This washer is really a cleverly
disguised locking device; use it.
Torque the dust shield nuts to 50 pounds."
Is there anything else I need to know?
And yes, I still made it up the rock face, and back out through some
right slick and tricky stuff in 3-wheel drive.
TrailMarker."
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> The Original Poster asked,
> "... I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for an '85 CJ-7
> Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out there? Does ..."
>
> I don't know what you are smoking, but I could use some.
06-01-2005, 06:21 PM
#73
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Re: Locker abuse
Jeff???????????? WILL YOU REREAD IT!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I actually
needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock hill. And so,
naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I bought a H-D
replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more expensive part
the weak link.
I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for an '85 CJ-7
Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out there? Does
anyone know any special tricks that would help me out? Do I also need
to replace any seals or gaskets while I'm at it? One thing that has me
worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube. I guess
it's just a pressed in seal or guide. It's been knocked loose by the
wobbling axle shaft. Does it press in place? Is it just a splash seal?
I don't see this part on the exploded views in the books or catalogs I
have.
I did a Google search and found a couple of posts by Jeff Strickland
that make the job sound pretty straight forward.
He says
"Remove the hub locks.
Remove the brake rotors.
Remove the large spindle nuts from inside the spindles and pull the
hubs off.
Remove 6 nuts holding the dust shield on and remove the shield.
Use a large rubber mallet, or a board and a hammer to nudge the
spindles off.
Slide the axle shafts out and replace the UJoints.
Assemble in reverse order.
Torque the inner spindle nut to 80 pounds and spin the tire around
several times and re-torque. Repeat until you are confident the
spindles are tight.
Torque the outer spindle nut to 50 pounds. DON'T FORGET the washer
between these two nuts, and DON'T FORGET to bend one side over so it
will hold the outside spindle nut.; This washer is really a cleverly
disguised locking device; use it.
Torque the dust shield nuts to 50 pounds."
Is there anything else I need to know?
And yes, I still made it up the rock face, and back out through some
right slick and tricky stuff in 3-wheel drive.
TrailMarker."
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> The Original Poster asked,
> "... I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for an '85 CJ-7
> Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out there? Does ..."
>
> I don't know what you are smoking, but I could use some.
"Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I actually
needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock hill. And so,
naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I bought a H-D
replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more expensive part
the weak link.
I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for an '85 CJ-7
Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out there? Does
anyone know any special tricks that would help me out? Do I also need
to replace any seals or gaskets while I'm at it? One thing that has me
worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube. I guess
it's just a pressed in seal or guide. It's been knocked loose by the
wobbling axle shaft. Does it press in place? Is it just a splash seal?
I don't see this part on the exploded views in the books or catalogs I
have.
I did a Google search and found a couple of posts by Jeff Strickland
that make the job sound pretty straight forward.
He says
"Remove the hub locks.
Remove the brake rotors.
Remove the large spindle nuts from inside the spindles and pull the
hubs off.
Remove 6 nuts holding the dust shield on and remove the shield.
Use a large rubber mallet, or a board and a hammer to nudge the
spindles off.
Slide the axle shafts out and replace the UJoints.
Assemble in reverse order.
Torque the inner spindle nut to 80 pounds and spin the tire around
several times and re-torque. Repeat until you are confident the
spindles are tight.
Torque the outer spindle nut to 50 pounds. DON'T FORGET the washer
between these two nuts, and DON'T FORGET to bend one side over so it
will hold the outside spindle nut.; This washer is really a cleverly
disguised locking device; use it.
Torque the dust shield nuts to 50 pounds."
Is there anything else I need to know?
And yes, I still made it up the rock face, and back out through some
right slick and tricky stuff in 3-wheel drive.
TrailMarker."
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> The Original Poster asked,
> "... I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for an '85 CJ-7
> Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out there? Does ..."
>
> I don't know what you are smoking, but I could use some.
06-01-2005, 07:14 PM
#74
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Re: Locker abuse
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Jeff???????????? WILL YOU REREAD IT!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> "Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I actually
> needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock hill. And so,
> naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I bought a H-D
> replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more expensive part
> the weak link.
> I'm looking for advice on the replacement job.
THIS IS FOR AN '85 CJ-7 DANA 30
Where does it say that he is working on a YJ, or anything other than an '85
CJ?
I don't know what you are smoking, but I could use some.
06-01-2005, 07:14 PM
#75
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Re: Locker abuse
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:429E34CE.D132032F@***.net...
> Jeff???????????? WILL YOU REREAD IT!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> "Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I actually
> needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock hill. And so,
> naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I bought a H-D
> replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more expensive part
> the weak link.
> I'm looking for advice on the replacement job.
THIS IS FOR AN '85 CJ-7 DANA 30
Where does it say that he is working on a YJ, or anything other than an '85
CJ?
I don't know what you are smoking, but I could use some.
06-01-2005, 07:14 PM
#76
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Re: Locker abuse
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Jeff???????????? WILL YOU REREAD IT!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> "Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I actually
> needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock hill. And so,
> naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I bought a H-D
> replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more expensive part
> the weak link.
> I'm looking for advice on the replacement job.
THIS IS FOR AN '85 CJ-7 DANA 30
Where does it say that he is working on a YJ, or anything other than an '85
CJ?
I don't know what you are smoking, but I could use some.
06-01-2005, 07:14 PM
#77
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Re: Locker abuse
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:429E34CE.D132032F@***.net...
> Jeff???????????? WILL YOU REREAD IT!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> "Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I actually
> needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock hill. And so,
> naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I bought a H-D
> replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more expensive part
> the weak link.
> I'm looking for advice on the replacement job.
THIS IS FOR AN '85 CJ-7 DANA 30
Where does it say that he is working on a YJ, or anything other than an '85
CJ?
I don't know what you are smoking, but I could use some.
06-01-2005, 07:16 PM
#78
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Re: Locker abuse
I don't touch the big nuts either, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Looking at Michael Jackson's troubles these days, maybe it the little nuts I
should be staying away from. Hmmm ...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:429E3425.EA1E3A51@sympatico.ca...
> I am set for plain text, don't know where it grabbed that.
>
> I obviously have as good a drugs as you guys and am mixing CJ and YJ/TJ
> hubs up. Those I leave alone. I don't touch the big nut.
>
> I still lube the hubs at brake time.
>
> Mike
>
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > Apples, oranges, and Bill. That explains alot. (Where did the HTML
> > come from, BTW?)
> >
> > How can you do ujoints on a CJ7 front axle without messing with the
> > hubs? The spindles have to come out to get the axles out, the hubs
> > have to come off to get the spindles off.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:429E1FAD.F549E2A8@sympatico.ca...
> > > We are talking apples and oranges. Bill and I are talking the D 30
> > > differential, not the outer hubs. The axles are floating with only
> > one
> > > inboard bearing and seal each side.
> > >
> > > My outer hubs have a dust seal, then a grease seal, then a bearing,
> > my
> > > spindles have a grease seal and a needle bearing set.
> > >
> > > I don't normally mess with the hubs if doing the u-joint, I save the
> > > hubs for brake time. The whole hub pops out to do the u-joint, why
> > have
> > > the rest in pieces. Last u-joint job was on the Cherokee and took
> > an
> > > hour including going to get the parts.
> > >
> > > Thinking about it, if he was banging around hard enough to pop the
> > dust
> > > seal off the axle, he might want to think about all of the seals and
> > the
> > > spindle bearing and seal....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Really? My hubs have an inner and outer bearing, and the inner
> > bearing is
> > > > protected by a grease seal between the bearing and the spindle.
> > > >
> > > > Am I missing something? Bill also said something about how a YJ is
> > > > different, but I thought the OP asked about an '85 CJ.
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:429DACBF.22F24CFE@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > Not on mine. Mine only has inboard seals and his is a CJ D30
> > too. Even
> > > > > the YJ D30 has inboard seals.
> > > > >
> > > > > The CJ axle has a dust flange or metal ring just under the yoke
> > that is
> > > > > fixed onto the axle. I have never seen one loose, but it likely
> > can be
> > > > > tapped back into place. If not, then a new axle might be
> > needed. The
> > > > > YJ has a plastic one, but still no seals.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:429CF6A3.31C481A9@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > The seals are inboard at the pumpkin. You have to be clean
> > and
> > > > careful
> > > > > > > putting the axles back in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are outer seals too, Mike. I think I was referring to
> > these outer
> > > > > > seals when I wrote that procedure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I use a sacrificial bolt and alternate cutting the steering
> > side to
> > > > side
> > > > > > > so I can beat the crap out of it as I move it around the
> > holes to
> > > > remove
> > > > > > > the spindle by pounding with a BFG, preferable 5 lb. They
> > can be an
> > > > > > > SOB to come off first time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It has got to be the salt because my spindles come off pretty
> > easily.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I hate those 'heavy duty' U-joints, they didn't last 8
> > months for me
> > > > > > > because they can't be greased so got water contamination.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> > '00
> > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > TrailMarker wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I
> > actually
> > > > > > > > needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock
> > hill. And
> > > > so,
> > > > > > > > naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I
> > bought a H-D
> > > > > > > > replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more
> > expensive part
> > > > > > > > the weak link.
> > > > > > > > I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for
> > an '85
> > > > CJ-7
> > > > > > > > Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out
> > there? Does
> > > > > > > > anyone know any special tricks that would help me out? Do
> > I also
> > > > need
> > > > > > > > to replace any seals or gaskets while I'm at it? One thing
> > that has
> > > > me
> > > > > > > > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle
> > tube. I
> > > > guess
> > > > > > > > it's just a pressed in seal or guide. It's been knocked
> > loose by the
> > > > > > > > wobbling axle shaft. Does it press in place? Is it just a
> > splash
> > > > seal?
> > > > > > > > I don't see this part on the exploded views in the books
> > or catalogs
> > > > I
> > > > > > > > have.
> > > > > > > > I did a Google search and found a couple of posts by Jeff
> > Strickland
> > > > > > > > that make the job sound pretty straight forward.
> > > > > > > > He says
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Remove the hub locks.
> > > > > > > > Remove the brake rotors.
> > > > > > > > Remove the large spindle nuts from inside the spindles and
> > pull the
> > > > > > > > hubs off.
> > > > > > > > Remove 6 nuts holding the dust shield on and remove the
> > shield.
> > > > > > > > Use a large rubber mallet, or a board and a hammer to
> > nudge the
> > > > > > > > spindles off.
> > > > > > > > Slide the axle shafts out and replace the UJoints.
> > > > > > > > Assemble in reverse order.
> > > > > > > > Torque the inner spindle nut to 80 pounds and spin the
> > tire around
> > > > > > > > several times and re-torque. Repeat until you are
> > confident the
> > > > > > > > spindles are tight.
> > > > > > > > Torque the outer spindle nut to 50 pounds. DON'T FORGET
> > the washer
> > > > > > > > between these two nuts, and DON'T FORGET to bend one side
> > over so it
> > > > > > > > will hold the outside spindle nut.; This washer is really
> > a cleverly
> > > > > > > > disguised locking device; use it.
> > > > > > > > Torque the dust shield nuts to 50 pounds."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is there anything else I need to know?
> > > > > > > > And yes, I still made it up the rock face, and back out
> > through some
> > > > > > > > right slick and tricky stuff in 3-wheel drive.
> > > > > > > > TrailMarker.
Looking at Michael Jackson's troubles these days, maybe it the little nuts I
should be staying away from. Hmmm ...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:429E3425.EA1E3A51@sympatico.ca...
> I am set for plain text, don't know where it grabbed that.
>
> I obviously have as good a drugs as you guys and am mixing CJ and YJ/TJ
> hubs up. Those I leave alone. I don't touch the big nut.
>
> I still lube the hubs at brake time.
>
> Mike
>
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > Apples, oranges, and Bill. That explains alot. (Where did the HTML
> > come from, BTW?)
> >
> > How can you do ujoints on a CJ7 front axle without messing with the
> > hubs? The spindles have to come out to get the axles out, the hubs
> > have to come off to get the spindles off.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:429E1FAD.F549E2A8@sympatico.ca...
> > > We are talking apples and oranges. Bill and I are talking the D 30
> > > differential, not the outer hubs. The axles are floating with only
> > one
> > > inboard bearing and seal each side.
> > >
> > > My outer hubs have a dust seal, then a grease seal, then a bearing,
> > my
> > > spindles have a grease seal and a needle bearing set.
> > >
> > > I don't normally mess with the hubs if doing the u-joint, I save the
> > > hubs for brake time. The whole hub pops out to do the u-joint, why
> > have
> > > the rest in pieces. Last u-joint job was on the Cherokee and took
> > an
> > > hour including going to get the parts.
> > >
> > > Thinking about it, if he was banging around hard enough to pop the
> > dust
> > > seal off the axle, he might want to think about all of the seals and
> > the
> > > spindle bearing and seal....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Really? My hubs have an inner and outer bearing, and the inner
> > bearing is
> > > > protected by a grease seal between the bearing and the spindle.
> > > >
> > > > Am I missing something? Bill also said something about how a YJ is
> > > > different, but I thought the OP asked about an '85 CJ.
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:429DACBF.22F24CFE@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > Not on mine. Mine only has inboard seals and his is a CJ D30
> > too. Even
> > > > > the YJ D30 has inboard seals.
> > > > >
> > > > > The CJ axle has a dust flange or metal ring just under the yoke
> > that is
> > > > > fixed onto the axle. I have never seen one loose, but it likely
> > can be
> > > > > tapped back into place. If not, then a new axle might be
> > needed. The
> > > > > YJ has a plastic one, but still no seals.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:429CF6A3.31C481A9@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > The seals are inboard at the pumpkin. You have to be clean
> > and
> > > > careful
> > > > > > > putting the axles back in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are outer seals too, Mike. I think I was referring to
> > these outer
> > > > > > seals when I wrote that procedure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I use a sacrificial bolt and alternate cutting the steering
> > side to
> > > > side
> > > > > > > so I can beat the crap out of it as I move it around the
> > holes to
> > > > remove
> > > > > > > the spindle by pounding with a BFG, preferable 5 lb. They
> > can be an
> > > > > > > SOB to come off first time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It has got to be the salt because my spindles come off pretty
> > easily.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I hate those 'heavy duty' U-joints, they didn't last 8
> > months for me
> > > > > > > because they can't be greased so got water contamination.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> > '00
> > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > TrailMarker wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I
> > actually
> > > > > > > > needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock
> > hill. And
> > > > so,
> > > > > > > > naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I
> > bought a H-D
> > > > > > > > replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more
> > expensive part
> > > > > > > > the weak link.
> > > > > > > > I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for
> > an '85
> > > > CJ-7
> > > > > > > > Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out
> > there? Does
> > > > > > > > anyone know any special tricks that would help me out? Do
> > I also
> > > > need
> > > > > > > > to replace any seals or gaskets while I'm at it? One thing
> > that has
> > > > me
> > > > > > > > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle
> > tube. I
> > > > guess
> > > > > > > > it's just a pressed in seal or guide. It's been knocked
> > loose by the
> > > > > > > > wobbling axle shaft. Does it press in place? Is it just a
> > splash
> > > > seal?
> > > > > > > > I don't see this part on the exploded views in the books
> > or catalogs
> > > > I
> > > > > > > > have.
> > > > > > > > I did a Google search and found a couple of posts by Jeff
> > Strickland
> > > > > > > > that make the job sound pretty straight forward.
> > > > > > > > He says
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Remove the hub locks.
> > > > > > > > Remove the brake rotors.
> > > > > > > > Remove the large spindle nuts from inside the spindles and
> > pull the
> > > > > > > > hubs off.
> > > > > > > > Remove 6 nuts holding the dust shield on and remove the
> > shield.
> > > > > > > > Use a large rubber mallet, or a board and a hammer to
> > nudge the
> > > > > > > > spindles off.
> > > > > > > > Slide the axle shafts out and replace the UJoints.
> > > > > > > > Assemble in reverse order.
> > > > > > > > Torque the inner spindle nut to 80 pounds and spin the
> > tire around
> > > > > > > > several times and re-torque. Repeat until you are
> > confident the
> > > > > > > > spindles are tight.
> > > > > > > > Torque the outer spindle nut to 50 pounds. DON'T FORGET
> > the washer
> > > > > > > > between these two nuts, and DON'T FORGET to bend one side
> > over so it
> > > > > > > > will hold the outside spindle nut.; This washer is really
> > a cleverly
> > > > > > > > disguised locking device; use it.
> > > > > > > > Torque the dust shield nuts to 50 pounds."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is there anything else I need to know?
> > > > > > > > And yes, I still made it up the rock face, and back out
> > through some
> > > > > > > > right slick and tricky stuff in 3-wheel drive.
> > > > > > > > TrailMarker.
06-01-2005, 07:16 PM
#79
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Locker abuse
I don't touch the big nuts either, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Looking at Michael Jackson's troubles these days, maybe it the little nuts I
should be staying away from. Hmmm ...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:429E3425.EA1E3A51@sympatico.ca...
> I am set for plain text, don't know where it grabbed that.
>
> I obviously have as good a drugs as you guys and am mixing CJ and YJ/TJ
> hubs up. Those I leave alone. I don't touch the big nut.
>
> I still lube the hubs at brake time.
>
> Mike
>
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > Apples, oranges, and Bill. That explains alot. (Where did the HTML
> > come from, BTW?)
> >
> > How can you do ujoints on a CJ7 front axle without messing with the
> > hubs? The spindles have to come out to get the axles out, the hubs
> > have to come off to get the spindles off.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:429E1FAD.F549E2A8@sympatico.ca...
> > > We are talking apples and oranges. Bill and I are talking the D 30
> > > differential, not the outer hubs. The axles are floating with only
> > one
> > > inboard bearing and seal each side.
> > >
> > > My outer hubs have a dust seal, then a grease seal, then a bearing,
> > my
> > > spindles have a grease seal and a needle bearing set.
> > >
> > > I don't normally mess with the hubs if doing the u-joint, I save the
> > > hubs for brake time. The whole hub pops out to do the u-joint, why
> > have
> > > the rest in pieces. Last u-joint job was on the Cherokee and took
> > an
> > > hour including going to get the parts.
> > >
> > > Thinking about it, if he was banging around hard enough to pop the
> > dust
> > > seal off the axle, he might want to think about all of the seals and
> > the
> > > spindle bearing and seal....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Really? My hubs have an inner and outer bearing, and the inner
> > bearing is
> > > > protected by a grease seal between the bearing and the spindle.
> > > >
> > > > Am I missing something? Bill also said something about how a YJ is
> > > > different, but I thought the OP asked about an '85 CJ.
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:429DACBF.22F24CFE@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > Not on mine. Mine only has inboard seals and his is a CJ D30
> > too. Even
> > > > > the YJ D30 has inboard seals.
> > > > >
> > > > > The CJ axle has a dust flange or metal ring just under the yoke
> > that is
> > > > > fixed onto the axle. I have never seen one loose, but it likely
> > can be
> > > > > tapped back into place. If not, then a new axle might be
> > needed. The
> > > > > YJ has a plastic one, but still no seals.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:429CF6A3.31C481A9@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > The seals are inboard at the pumpkin. You have to be clean
> > and
> > > > careful
> > > > > > > putting the axles back in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are outer seals too, Mike. I think I was referring to
> > these outer
> > > > > > seals when I wrote that procedure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I use a sacrificial bolt and alternate cutting the steering
> > side to
> > > > side
> > > > > > > so I can beat the crap out of it as I move it around the
> > holes to
> > > > remove
> > > > > > > the spindle by pounding with a BFG, preferable 5 lb. They
> > can be an
> > > > > > > SOB to come off first time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It has got to be the salt because my spindles come off pretty
> > easily.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I hate those 'heavy duty' U-joints, they didn't last 8
> > months for me
> > > > > > > because they can't be greased so got water contamination.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> > '00
> > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > TrailMarker wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I
> > actually
> > > > > > > > needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock
> > hill. And
> > > > so,
> > > > > > > > naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I
> > bought a H-D
> > > > > > > > replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more
> > expensive part
> > > > > > > > the weak link.
> > > > > > > > I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for
> > an '85
> > > > CJ-7
> > > > > > > > Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out
> > there? Does
> > > > > > > > anyone know any special tricks that would help me out? Do
> > I also
> > > > need
> > > > > > > > to replace any seals or gaskets while I'm at it? One thing
> > that has
> > > > me
> > > > > > > > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle
> > tube. I
> > > > guess
> > > > > > > > it's just a pressed in seal or guide. It's been knocked
> > loose by the
> > > > > > > > wobbling axle shaft. Does it press in place? Is it just a
> > splash
> > > > seal?
> > > > > > > > I don't see this part on the exploded views in the books
> > or catalogs
> > > > I
> > > > > > > > have.
> > > > > > > > I did a Google search and found a couple of posts by Jeff
> > Strickland
> > > > > > > > that make the job sound pretty straight forward.
> > > > > > > > He says
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Remove the hub locks.
> > > > > > > > Remove the brake rotors.
> > > > > > > > Remove the large spindle nuts from inside the spindles and
> > pull the
> > > > > > > > hubs off.
> > > > > > > > Remove 6 nuts holding the dust shield on and remove the
> > shield.
> > > > > > > > Use a large rubber mallet, or a board and a hammer to
> > nudge the
> > > > > > > > spindles off.
> > > > > > > > Slide the axle shafts out and replace the UJoints.
> > > > > > > > Assemble in reverse order.
> > > > > > > > Torque the inner spindle nut to 80 pounds and spin the
> > tire around
> > > > > > > > several times and re-torque. Repeat until you are
> > confident the
> > > > > > > > spindles are tight.
> > > > > > > > Torque the outer spindle nut to 50 pounds. DON'T FORGET
> > the washer
> > > > > > > > between these two nuts, and DON'T FORGET to bend one side
> > over so it
> > > > > > > > will hold the outside spindle nut.; This washer is really
> > a cleverly
> > > > > > > > disguised locking device; use it.
> > > > > > > > Torque the dust shield nuts to 50 pounds."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is there anything else I need to know?
> > > > > > > > And yes, I still made it up the rock face, and back out
> > through some
> > > > > > > > right slick and tricky stuff in 3-wheel drive.
> > > > > > > > TrailMarker.
Looking at Michael Jackson's troubles these days, maybe it the little nuts I
should be staying away from. Hmmm ...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:429E3425.EA1E3A51@sympatico.ca...
> I am set for plain text, don't know where it grabbed that.
>
> I obviously have as good a drugs as you guys and am mixing CJ and YJ/TJ
> hubs up. Those I leave alone. I don't touch the big nut.
>
> I still lube the hubs at brake time.
>
> Mike
>
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > Apples, oranges, and Bill. That explains alot. (Where did the HTML
> > come from, BTW?)
> >
> > How can you do ujoints on a CJ7 front axle without messing with the
> > hubs? The spindles have to come out to get the axles out, the hubs
> > have to come off to get the spindles off.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:429E1FAD.F549E2A8@sympatico.ca...
> > > We are talking apples and oranges. Bill and I are talking the D 30
> > > differential, not the outer hubs. The axles are floating with only
> > one
> > > inboard bearing and seal each side.
> > >
> > > My outer hubs have a dust seal, then a grease seal, then a bearing,
> > my
> > > spindles have a grease seal and a needle bearing set.
> > >
> > > I don't normally mess with the hubs if doing the u-joint, I save the
> > > hubs for brake time. The whole hub pops out to do the u-joint, why
> > have
> > > the rest in pieces. Last u-joint job was on the Cherokee and took
> > an
> > > hour including going to get the parts.
> > >
> > > Thinking about it, if he was banging around hard enough to pop the
> > dust
> > > seal off the axle, he might want to think about all of the seals and
> > the
> > > spindle bearing and seal....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Really? My hubs have an inner and outer bearing, and the inner
> > bearing is
> > > > protected by a grease seal between the bearing and the spindle.
> > > >
> > > > Am I missing something? Bill also said something about how a YJ is
> > > > different, but I thought the OP asked about an '85 CJ.
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:429DACBF.22F24CFE@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > Not on mine. Mine only has inboard seals and his is a CJ D30
> > too. Even
> > > > > the YJ D30 has inboard seals.
> > > > >
> > > > > The CJ axle has a dust flange or metal ring just under the yoke
> > that is
> > > > > fixed onto the axle. I have never seen one loose, but it likely
> > can be
> > > > > tapped back into place. If not, then a new axle might be
> > needed. The
> > > > > YJ has a plastic one, but still no seals.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:429CF6A3.31C481A9@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > The seals are inboard at the pumpkin. You have to be clean
> > and
> > > > careful
> > > > > > > putting the axles back in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are outer seals too, Mike. I think I was referring to
> > these outer
> > > > > > seals when I wrote that procedure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I use a sacrificial bolt and alternate cutting the steering
> > side to
> > > > side
> > > > > > > so I can beat the crap out of it as I move it around the
> > holes to
> > > > remove
> > > > > > > the spindle by pounding with a BFG, preferable 5 lb. They
> > can be an
> > > > > > > SOB to come off first time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It has got to be the salt because my spindles come off pretty
> > easily.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I hate those 'heavy duty' U-joints, they didn't last 8
> > months for me
> > > > > > > because they can't be greased so got water contamination.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> > '00
> > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > TrailMarker wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I
> > actually
> > > > > > > > needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock
> > hill. And
> > > > so,
> > > > > > > > naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I
> > bought a H-D
> > > > > > > > replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more
> > expensive part
> > > > > > > > the weak link.
> > > > > > > > I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for
> > an '85
> > > > CJ-7
> > > > > > > > Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out
> > there? Does
> > > > > > > > anyone know any special tricks that would help me out? Do
> > I also
> > > > need
> > > > > > > > to replace any seals or gaskets while I'm at it? One thing
> > that has
> > > > me
> > > > > > > > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle
> > tube. I
> > > > guess
> > > > > > > > it's just a pressed in seal or guide. It's been knocked
> > loose by the
> > > > > > > > wobbling axle shaft. Does it press in place? Is it just a
> > splash
> > > > seal?
> > > > > > > > I don't see this part on the exploded views in the books
> > or catalogs
> > > > I
> > > > > > > > have.
> > > > > > > > I did a Google search and found a couple of posts by Jeff
> > Strickland
> > > > > > > > that make the job sound pretty straight forward.
> > > > > > > > He says
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Remove the hub locks.
> > > > > > > > Remove the brake rotors.
> > > > > > > > Remove the large spindle nuts from inside the spindles and
> > pull the
> > > > > > > > hubs off.
> > > > > > > > Remove 6 nuts holding the dust shield on and remove the
> > shield.
> > > > > > > > Use a large rubber mallet, or a board and a hammer to
> > nudge the
> > > > > > > > spindles off.
> > > > > > > > Slide the axle shafts out and replace the UJoints.
> > > > > > > > Assemble in reverse order.
> > > > > > > > Torque the inner spindle nut to 80 pounds and spin the
> > tire around
> > > > > > > > several times and re-torque. Repeat until you are
> > confident the
> > > > > > > > spindles are tight.
> > > > > > > > Torque the outer spindle nut to 50 pounds. DON'T FORGET
> > the washer
> > > > > > > > between these two nuts, and DON'T FORGET to bend one side
> > over so it
> > > > > > > > will hold the outside spindle nut.; This washer is really
> > a cleverly
> > > > > > > > disguised locking device; use it.
> > > > > > > > Torque the dust shield nuts to 50 pounds."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is there anything else I need to know?
> > > > > > > > And yes, I still made it up the rock face, and back out
> > through some
> > > > > > > > right slick and tricky stuff in 3-wheel drive.
> > > > > > > > TrailMarker.
06-01-2005, 07:16 PM
#80
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Locker abuse
I don't touch the big nuts either, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Looking at Michael Jackson's troubles these days, maybe it the little nuts I
should be staying away from. Hmmm ...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:429E3425.EA1E3A51@sympatico.ca...
> I am set for plain text, don't know where it grabbed that.
>
> I obviously have as good a drugs as you guys and am mixing CJ and YJ/TJ
> hubs up. Those I leave alone. I don't touch the big nut.
>
> I still lube the hubs at brake time.
>
> Mike
>
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > Apples, oranges, and Bill. That explains alot. (Where did the HTML
> > come from, BTW?)
> >
> > How can you do ujoints on a CJ7 front axle without messing with the
> > hubs? The spindles have to come out to get the axles out, the hubs
> > have to come off to get the spindles off.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:429E1FAD.F549E2A8@sympatico.ca...
> > > We are talking apples and oranges. Bill and I are talking the D 30
> > > differential, not the outer hubs. The axles are floating with only
> > one
> > > inboard bearing and seal each side.
> > >
> > > My outer hubs have a dust seal, then a grease seal, then a bearing,
> > my
> > > spindles have a grease seal and a needle bearing set.
> > >
> > > I don't normally mess with the hubs if doing the u-joint, I save the
> > > hubs for brake time. The whole hub pops out to do the u-joint, why
> > have
> > > the rest in pieces. Last u-joint job was on the Cherokee and took
> > an
> > > hour including going to get the parts.
> > >
> > > Thinking about it, if he was banging around hard enough to pop the
> > dust
> > > seal off the axle, he might want to think about all of the seals and
> > the
> > > spindle bearing and seal....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Really? My hubs have an inner and outer bearing, and the inner
> > bearing is
> > > > protected by a grease seal between the bearing and the spindle.
> > > >
> > > > Am I missing something? Bill also said something about how a YJ is
> > > > different, but I thought the OP asked about an '85 CJ.
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:429DACBF.22F24CFE@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > Not on mine. Mine only has inboard seals and his is a CJ D30
> > too. Even
> > > > > the YJ D30 has inboard seals.
> > > > >
> > > > > The CJ axle has a dust flange or metal ring just under the yoke
> > that is
> > > > > fixed onto the axle. I have never seen one loose, but it likely
> > can be
> > > > > tapped back into place. If not, then a new axle might be
> > needed. The
> > > > > YJ has a plastic one, but still no seals.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:429CF6A3.31C481A9@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > The seals are inboard at the pumpkin. You have to be clean
> > and
> > > > careful
> > > > > > > putting the axles back in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are outer seals too, Mike. I think I was referring to
> > these outer
> > > > > > seals when I wrote that procedure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I use a sacrificial bolt and alternate cutting the steering
> > side to
> > > > side
> > > > > > > so I can beat the crap out of it as I move it around the
> > holes to
> > > > remove
> > > > > > > the spindle by pounding with a BFG, preferable 5 lb. They
> > can be an
> > > > > > > SOB to come off first time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It has got to be the salt because my spindles come off pretty
> > easily.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I hate those 'heavy duty' U-joints, they didn't last 8
> > months for me
> > > > > > > because they can't be greased so got water contamination.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> > '00
> > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > TrailMarker wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I
> > actually
> > > > > > > > needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock
> > hill. And
> > > > so,
> > > > > > > > naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I
> > bought a H-D
> > > > > > > > replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more
> > expensive part
> > > > > > > > the weak link.
> > > > > > > > I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for
> > an '85
> > > > CJ-7
> > > > > > > > Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out
> > there? Does
> > > > > > > > anyone know any special tricks that would help me out? Do
> > I also
> > > > need
> > > > > > > > to replace any seals or gaskets while I'm at it? One thing
> > that has
> > > > me
> > > > > > > > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle
> > tube. I
> > > > guess
> > > > > > > > it's just a pressed in seal or guide. It's been knocked
> > loose by the
> > > > > > > > wobbling axle shaft. Does it press in place? Is it just a
> > splash
> > > > seal?
> > > > > > > > I don't see this part on the exploded views in the books
> > or catalogs
> > > > I
> > > > > > > > have.
> > > > > > > > I did a Google search and found a couple of posts by Jeff
> > Strickland
> > > > > > > > that make the job sound pretty straight forward.
> > > > > > > > He says
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Remove the hub locks.
> > > > > > > > Remove the brake rotors.
> > > > > > > > Remove the large spindle nuts from inside the spindles and
> > pull the
> > > > > > > > hubs off.
> > > > > > > > Remove 6 nuts holding the dust shield on and remove the
> > shield.
> > > > > > > > Use a large rubber mallet, or a board and a hammer to
> > nudge the
> > > > > > > > spindles off.
> > > > > > > > Slide the axle shafts out and replace the UJoints.
> > > > > > > > Assemble in reverse order.
> > > > > > > > Torque the inner spindle nut to 80 pounds and spin the
> > tire around
> > > > > > > > several times and re-torque. Repeat until you are
> > confident the
> > > > > > > > spindles are tight.
> > > > > > > > Torque the outer spindle nut to 50 pounds. DON'T FORGET
> > the washer
> > > > > > > > between these two nuts, and DON'T FORGET to bend one side
> > over so it
> > > > > > > > will hold the outside spindle nut.; This washer is really
> > a cleverly
> > > > > > > > disguised locking device; use it.
> > > > > > > > Torque the dust shield nuts to 50 pounds."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is there anything else I need to know?
> > > > > > > > And yes, I still made it up the rock face, and back out
> > through some
> > > > > > > > right slick and tricky stuff in 3-wheel drive.
> > > > > > > > TrailMarker.
Looking at Michael Jackson's troubles these days, maybe it the little nuts I
should be staying away from. Hmmm ...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:429E3425.EA1E3A51@sympatico.ca...
> I am set for plain text, don't know where it grabbed that.
>
> I obviously have as good a drugs as you guys and am mixing CJ and YJ/TJ
> hubs up. Those I leave alone. I don't touch the big nut.
>
> I still lube the hubs at brake time.
>
> Mike
>
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > Apples, oranges, and Bill. That explains alot. (Where did the HTML
> > come from, BTW?)
> >
> > How can you do ujoints on a CJ7 front axle without messing with the
> > hubs? The spindles have to come out to get the axles out, the hubs
> > have to come off to get the spindles off.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:429E1FAD.F549E2A8@sympatico.ca...
> > > We are talking apples and oranges. Bill and I are talking the D 30
> > > differential, not the outer hubs. The axles are floating with only
> > one
> > > inboard bearing and seal each side.
> > >
> > > My outer hubs have a dust seal, then a grease seal, then a bearing,
> > my
> > > spindles have a grease seal and a needle bearing set.
> > >
> > > I don't normally mess with the hubs if doing the u-joint, I save the
> > > hubs for brake time. The whole hub pops out to do the u-joint, why
> > have
> > > the rest in pieces. Last u-joint job was on the Cherokee and took
> > an
> > > hour including going to get the parts.
> > >
> > > Thinking about it, if he was banging around hard enough to pop the
> > dust
> > > seal off the axle, he might want to think about all of the seals and
> > the
> > > spindle bearing and seal....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Really? My hubs have an inner and outer bearing, and the inner
> > bearing is
> > > > protected by a grease seal between the bearing and the spindle.
> > > >
> > > > Am I missing something? Bill also said something about how a YJ is
> > > > different, but I thought the OP asked about an '85 CJ.
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:429DACBF.22F24CFE@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > Not on mine. Mine only has inboard seals and his is a CJ D30
> > too. Even
> > > > > the YJ D30 has inboard seals.
> > > > >
> > > > > The CJ axle has a dust flange or metal ring just under the yoke
> > that is
> > > > > fixed onto the axle. I have never seen one loose, but it likely
> > can be
> > > > > tapped back into place. If not, then a new axle might be
> > needed. The
> > > > > YJ has a plastic one, but still no seals.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:429CF6A3.31C481A9@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > The seals are inboard at the pumpkin. You have to be clean
> > and
> > > > careful
> > > > > > > putting the axles back in.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are outer seals too, Mike. I think I was referring to
> > these outer
> > > > > > seals when I wrote that procedure.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I use a sacrificial bolt and alternate cutting the steering
> > side to
> > > > side
> > > > > > > so I can beat the crap out of it as I move it around the
> > holes to
> > > > remove
> > > > > > > the spindle by pounding with a BFG, preferable 5 lb. They
> > can be an
> > > > > > > SOB to come off first time.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It has got to be the salt because my spindles come off pretty
> > easily.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I hate those 'heavy duty' U-joints, they didn't last 8
> > months for me
> > > > > > > because they can't be greased so got water contamination.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> > '00
> > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > TrailMarker wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I
> > actually
> > > > > > > > needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock
> > hill. And
> > > > so,
> > > > > > > > naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I
> > bought a H-D
> > > > > > > > replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more
> > expensive part
> > > > > > > > the weak link.
> > > > > > > > I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for
> > an '85
> > > > CJ-7
> > > > > > > > Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out
> > there? Does
> > > > > > > > anyone know any special tricks that would help me out? Do
> > I also
> > > > need
> > > > > > > > to replace any seals or gaskets while I'm at it? One thing
> > that has
> > > > me
> > > > > > > > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle
> > tube. I
> > > > guess
> > > > > > > > it's just a pressed in seal or guide. It's been knocked
> > loose by the
> > > > > > > > wobbling axle shaft. Does it press in place? Is it just a
> > splash
> > > > seal?
> > > > > > > > I don't see this part on the exploded views in the books
> > or catalogs
> > > > I
> > > > > > > > have.
> > > > > > > > I did a Google search and found a couple of posts by Jeff
> > Strickland
> > > > > > > > that make the job sound pretty straight forward.
> > > > > > > > He says
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Remove the hub locks.
> > > > > > > > Remove the brake rotors.
> > > > > > > > Remove the large spindle nuts from inside the spindles and
> > pull the
> > > > > > > > hubs off.
> > > > > > > > Remove 6 nuts holding the dust shield on and remove the
> > shield.
> > > > > > > > Use a large rubber mallet, or a board and a hammer to
> > nudge the
> > > > > > > > spindles off.
> > > > > > > > Slide the axle shafts out and replace the UJoints.
> > > > > > > > Assemble in reverse order.
> > > > > > > > Torque the inner spindle nut to 80 pounds and spin the
> > tire around
> > > > > > > > several times and re-torque. Repeat until you are
> > confident the
> > > > > > > > spindles are tight.
> > > > > > > > Torque the outer spindle nut to 50 pounds. DON'T FORGET
> > the washer
> > > > > > > > between these two nuts, and DON'T FORGET to bend one side
> > over so it
> > > > > > > > will hold the outside spindle nut.; This washer is really
> > a cleverly
> > > > > > > > disguised locking device; use it.
> > > > > > > > Torque the dust shield nuts to 50 pounds."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is there anything else I need to know?
> > > > > > > > And yes, I still made it up the rock face, and back out
> > through some
> > > > > > > > right slick and tricky stuff in 3-wheel drive.
> > > > > > > > TrailMarker.