Locker abuse
#121
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Re: Locker abuse
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:429F5B74.7EAB27FC@sympatico.ca...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:429F490F.88741F61@sympatico.ca...
> > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:429E4860.FA0D1829@***.net...
> > > > > Jeff, this is the part I wanted you to read "One thing that has me
> > > > > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube.
> > > >
> > > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
> > function
> > > > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> > > >
> > > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's
left of
> > the
> > > > grease seal.
> > >
> > > My floating axles have a metal dust shield at the end of the tube on
the
> > > axle. YJ's and TJ's use a plastic dust shield there. None of the
above
> > > have any seals in the outer axle tubes. The axles just flop around
with
> > > the hub removed.
> > >
> > > You are talking the stub axle Yoke that goes through the spindle on
the
> > > other/out side of the u-joint.
> > >
> > > The dana 30 front differential only has inboard seals located inside
the
> > > pumpkin unless it is a vacuum disconnect for those few years in which
> > > case it 'still' only has inboard seals, they are just in the shift
lock
> > > box. Still no seals at the end of the axle tubes for any year of D30
I
> > > have seen.
> > >
> >
> > There is a grease seal that is inside the hub of my CJ. When the hubs
are
> > pulled off to expose the bearings, there is a seal that covers the inner
> > bearing. The seal rides on a lip on the outside of the spindle. There is
no
> > seal for the axle shaft at this location, but there is a seal for the
hub
> > bearings where the hub mates to the spindle.
> >
> > There is a dust shield that bolts to the spindle. The dust shield is
more of
> > a rock guard for the brake rotors though. It appears to me that the
shield
> > could be left off and the brakes would still work fine. I am not
suggesting
> > removal of this shield, but if the shield were to become damaged, it
could
> > be removed as part of a field fix, and replaced when the vehicle
eventually
> > made it back to the barn. When the shield is removed, the spindle can
then
> > be removed with a pursuader of any of several different designs -- I use
a
> > rubber mallet, some guys use a block of wood and a hammer. Inside the
> > spindle is a needle bearing that the axle shaft rides on. There is no
seal
> > here.
> >
>
> My CJ is different. The needle bearings inside the spindle have both a
> dust seal and a grease seal.
>
I am not remembering that very clearly. I remember the needle bearing
vividly, but the other parts are not coming to mind.
> Now to get where Bill and I are talking, you follow the outer yoke that
> goes through the spindle to the u-joint heading toward the center of the
> Jeep. Once past the u-joint, there is a metal dust seal on the axle
> with a rubber o-ring on some, then the axle continues on to the
> grease/oil seal a foot or so farther at the pumpkin.
>
Yes, that is true. Follow the spindle going the other way, into the hub.
There is a seal inside the hub where the inner bearing is. That is the seal
I was talking about.
> From the u-joint to the pumpkin, there is a metal dust cover (plastic on
> YJ's and TJ's, 'this' is the cover we are all going on about), the axle,
> then the seal, then the bearing, then the gears.
>
Got it. This is pressed onto the axle shaft, isn't it. Not pressed really
hard, but it comes out with the shaft, and can be moved from one shaft to
another when the shafts are replaced. Right? I think there might even be a
felt ring on this part.
> You are talking the outer axle stub or yoke.
Yes, I am. That is where I thought the OP was having questions. His goal is
to replace the u-joints, so I was only thinking of stuff that he would
encounter on the way to the u-joint. This includes the snap ring on the end
of the axle shaft (which might not even be there), the spindle nuts and
retaining rings, the hub with its bearings and seal, the spindle itself with
its needle bearing, and the axle. I did not include the brakes, which
obviously will be along the path to the object of his desire.
#122
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Re: Locker abuse
So.... Your axle tube, everyone else would calls a spindle?
http://www.----------.com/72jeepSpindle.jpg
And where did the Original Poster write of "circle clip"?
"From: "TrailMarker" <carrollcaboodle@netzero.com> Tue 3:47 PM
Subject: Locker abuse
Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I actually
needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock hill. And so,
naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I bought a H-D
replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more expensive part
the weak link.
I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for an '85 CJ-7
Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out there? Does
anyone know any special tricks that would help me out? Do I also need
to replace any seals or gaskets while I'm at it? One thing that has me
worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube. I guess
it's just a pressed in seal or guide. It's been knocked loose by the
wobbling axle shaft. Does it press in place? Is it just a splash seal?
I don't see this part on the exploded views in the books or catalogs I
have.
I did a Google search and found a couple of posts by Jeff Strickland
that make the job sound pretty straight forward.
He says
"Remove the hub locks.
Remove the brake rotors.
Remove the large spindle nuts from inside the spindles and pull the
hubs off.
Remove 6 nuts holding the dust shield on and remove the shield.
Use a large rubber mallet, or a board and a hammer to nudge the
spindles off.
Slide the axle shafts out and replace the UJoints.
Assemble in reverse order.
Torque the inner spindle nut to 80 pounds and spin the tire around
several times and re-torque. Repeat until you are confident the
spindles are tight.
Torque the outer spindle nut to 50 pounds. DON'T FORGET the washer
between these two nuts, and DON'T FORGET to bend one side over so it
will hold the outside spindle nut.; This washer is really a cleverly
disguised locking device; use it.
Torque the dust shield nuts to 50 pounds."
Is there anything else I need to know?
And yes, I still made it up the rock face, and back out through some
right slick and tricky stuff in 3-wheel drive.
TrailMarker."
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> You are more full of ---- than a Christmas Turkey. A hub is a hub, and it is
> not the axle tube.
>
> The hub has two bearings inside, and the inner bearing also has a grease
> seal adjacent to it. This has nothing at all to do with the axle shaft,
> except that the axle shaft causes the hub to turn if the hub lock is engaged
> and 4WD is selected on the tcase. Otherwise, the hubs turn because the
> ground is going by.
>
> The OP was not very clear on what he was talking about when he wondered
> about the ring on the end of something. I took a wild guess that he was
> talking about the snap ring (which I called a circlip) on the end of the
> axle shaft where the locking hubs engage. There is also a ring that is
> inside the hub. This ring is really a seal, but if the rubber was gone from
> the seal, a ring would be left.
>
> What I was wondering about is, where in Hell did you come up with an analogy
> about thatever is inside a YJ hub and axle? The topic is clearly an '85 CJ7.
> In the case of the CJ, the hub is also the brake rotor, but I was trying
> really hard to not confuse you with that much detail.
http://www.----------.com/72jeepSpindle.jpg
And where did the Original Poster write of "circle clip"?
"From: "TrailMarker" <carrollcaboodle@netzero.com> Tue 3:47 PM
Subject: Locker abuse
Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I actually
needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock hill. And so,
naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I bought a H-D
replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more expensive part
the weak link.
I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for an '85 CJ-7
Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out there? Does
anyone know any special tricks that would help me out? Do I also need
to replace any seals or gaskets while I'm at it? One thing that has me
worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube. I guess
it's just a pressed in seal or guide. It's been knocked loose by the
wobbling axle shaft. Does it press in place? Is it just a splash seal?
I don't see this part on the exploded views in the books or catalogs I
have.
I did a Google search and found a couple of posts by Jeff Strickland
that make the job sound pretty straight forward.
He says
"Remove the hub locks.
Remove the brake rotors.
Remove the large spindle nuts from inside the spindles and pull the
hubs off.
Remove 6 nuts holding the dust shield on and remove the shield.
Use a large rubber mallet, or a board and a hammer to nudge the
spindles off.
Slide the axle shafts out and replace the UJoints.
Assemble in reverse order.
Torque the inner spindle nut to 80 pounds and spin the tire around
several times and re-torque. Repeat until you are confident the
spindles are tight.
Torque the outer spindle nut to 50 pounds. DON'T FORGET the washer
between these two nuts, and DON'T FORGET to bend one side over so it
will hold the outside spindle nut.; This washer is really a cleverly
disguised locking device; use it.
Torque the dust shield nuts to 50 pounds."
Is there anything else I need to know?
And yes, I still made it up the rock face, and back out through some
right slick and tricky stuff in 3-wheel drive.
TrailMarker."
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> You are more full of ---- than a Christmas Turkey. A hub is a hub, and it is
> not the axle tube.
>
> The hub has two bearings inside, and the inner bearing also has a grease
> seal adjacent to it. This has nothing at all to do with the axle shaft,
> except that the axle shaft causes the hub to turn if the hub lock is engaged
> and 4WD is selected on the tcase. Otherwise, the hubs turn because the
> ground is going by.
>
> The OP was not very clear on what he was talking about when he wondered
> about the ring on the end of something. I took a wild guess that he was
> talking about the snap ring (which I called a circlip) on the end of the
> axle shaft where the locking hubs engage. There is also a ring that is
> inside the hub. This ring is really a seal, but if the rubber was gone from
> the seal, a ring would be left.
>
> What I was wondering about is, where in Hell did you come up with an analogy
> about thatever is inside a YJ hub and axle? The topic is clearly an '85 CJ7.
> In the case of the CJ, the hub is also the brake rotor, but I was trying
> really hard to not confuse you with that much detail.
#123
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Posts: n/a
Re: Locker abuse
So.... Your axle tube, everyone else would calls a spindle?
http://www.----------.com/72jeepSpindle.jpg
And where did the Original Poster write of "circle clip"?
"From: "TrailMarker" <carrollcaboodle@netzero.com> Tue 3:47 PM
Subject: Locker abuse
Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I actually
needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock hill. And so,
naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I bought a H-D
replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more expensive part
the weak link.
I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for an '85 CJ-7
Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out there? Does
anyone know any special tricks that would help me out? Do I also need
to replace any seals or gaskets while I'm at it? One thing that has me
worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube. I guess
it's just a pressed in seal or guide. It's been knocked loose by the
wobbling axle shaft. Does it press in place? Is it just a splash seal?
I don't see this part on the exploded views in the books or catalogs I
have.
I did a Google search and found a couple of posts by Jeff Strickland
that make the job sound pretty straight forward.
He says
"Remove the hub locks.
Remove the brake rotors.
Remove the large spindle nuts from inside the spindles and pull the
hubs off.
Remove 6 nuts holding the dust shield on and remove the shield.
Use a large rubber mallet, or a board and a hammer to nudge the
spindles off.
Slide the axle shafts out and replace the UJoints.
Assemble in reverse order.
Torque the inner spindle nut to 80 pounds and spin the tire around
several times and re-torque. Repeat until you are confident the
spindles are tight.
Torque the outer spindle nut to 50 pounds. DON'T FORGET the washer
between these two nuts, and DON'T FORGET to bend one side over so it
will hold the outside spindle nut.; This washer is really a cleverly
disguised locking device; use it.
Torque the dust shield nuts to 50 pounds."
Is there anything else I need to know?
And yes, I still made it up the rock face, and back out through some
right slick and tricky stuff in 3-wheel drive.
TrailMarker."
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> You are more full of ---- than a Christmas Turkey. A hub is a hub, and it is
> not the axle tube.
>
> The hub has two bearings inside, and the inner bearing also has a grease
> seal adjacent to it. This has nothing at all to do with the axle shaft,
> except that the axle shaft causes the hub to turn if the hub lock is engaged
> and 4WD is selected on the tcase. Otherwise, the hubs turn because the
> ground is going by.
>
> The OP was not very clear on what he was talking about when he wondered
> about the ring on the end of something. I took a wild guess that he was
> talking about the snap ring (which I called a circlip) on the end of the
> axle shaft where the locking hubs engage. There is also a ring that is
> inside the hub. This ring is really a seal, but if the rubber was gone from
> the seal, a ring would be left.
>
> What I was wondering about is, where in Hell did you come up with an analogy
> about thatever is inside a YJ hub and axle? The topic is clearly an '85 CJ7.
> In the case of the CJ, the hub is also the brake rotor, but I was trying
> really hard to not confuse you with that much detail.
http://www.----------.com/72jeepSpindle.jpg
And where did the Original Poster write of "circle clip"?
"From: "TrailMarker" <carrollcaboodle@netzero.com> Tue 3:47 PM
Subject: Locker abuse
Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I actually
needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock hill. And so,
naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I bought a H-D
replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more expensive part
the weak link.
I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for an '85 CJ-7
Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out there? Does
anyone know any special tricks that would help me out? Do I also need
to replace any seals or gaskets while I'm at it? One thing that has me
worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube. I guess
it's just a pressed in seal or guide. It's been knocked loose by the
wobbling axle shaft. Does it press in place? Is it just a splash seal?
I don't see this part on the exploded views in the books or catalogs I
have.
I did a Google search and found a couple of posts by Jeff Strickland
that make the job sound pretty straight forward.
He says
"Remove the hub locks.
Remove the brake rotors.
Remove the large spindle nuts from inside the spindles and pull the
hubs off.
Remove 6 nuts holding the dust shield on and remove the shield.
Use a large rubber mallet, or a board and a hammer to nudge the
spindles off.
Slide the axle shafts out and replace the UJoints.
Assemble in reverse order.
Torque the inner spindle nut to 80 pounds and spin the tire around
several times and re-torque. Repeat until you are confident the
spindles are tight.
Torque the outer spindle nut to 50 pounds. DON'T FORGET the washer
between these two nuts, and DON'T FORGET to bend one side over so it
will hold the outside spindle nut.; This washer is really a cleverly
disguised locking device; use it.
Torque the dust shield nuts to 50 pounds."
Is there anything else I need to know?
And yes, I still made it up the rock face, and back out through some
right slick and tricky stuff in 3-wheel drive.
TrailMarker."
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> You are more full of ---- than a Christmas Turkey. A hub is a hub, and it is
> not the axle tube.
>
> The hub has two bearings inside, and the inner bearing also has a grease
> seal adjacent to it. This has nothing at all to do with the axle shaft,
> except that the axle shaft causes the hub to turn if the hub lock is engaged
> and 4WD is selected on the tcase. Otherwise, the hubs turn because the
> ground is going by.
>
> The OP was not very clear on what he was talking about when he wondered
> about the ring on the end of something. I took a wild guess that he was
> talking about the snap ring (which I called a circlip) on the end of the
> axle shaft where the locking hubs engage. There is also a ring that is
> inside the hub. This ring is really a seal, but if the rubber was gone from
> the seal, a ring would be left.
>
> What I was wondering about is, where in Hell did you come up with an analogy
> about thatever is inside a YJ hub and axle? The topic is clearly an '85 CJ7.
> In the case of the CJ, the hub is also the brake rotor, but I was trying
> really hard to not confuse you with that much detail.
#124
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Locker abuse
So.... Your axle tube, everyone else would calls a spindle?
http://www.----------.com/72jeepSpindle.jpg
And where did the Original Poster write of "circle clip"?
"From: "TrailMarker" <carrollcaboodle@netzero.com> Tue 3:47 PM
Subject: Locker abuse
Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I actually
needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock hill. And so,
naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I bought a H-D
replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more expensive part
the weak link.
I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for an '85 CJ-7
Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out there? Does
anyone know any special tricks that would help me out? Do I also need
to replace any seals or gaskets while I'm at it? One thing that has me
worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube. I guess
it's just a pressed in seal or guide. It's been knocked loose by the
wobbling axle shaft. Does it press in place? Is it just a splash seal?
I don't see this part on the exploded views in the books or catalogs I
have.
I did a Google search and found a couple of posts by Jeff Strickland
that make the job sound pretty straight forward.
He says
"Remove the hub locks.
Remove the brake rotors.
Remove the large spindle nuts from inside the spindles and pull the
hubs off.
Remove 6 nuts holding the dust shield on and remove the shield.
Use a large rubber mallet, or a board and a hammer to nudge the
spindles off.
Slide the axle shafts out and replace the UJoints.
Assemble in reverse order.
Torque the inner spindle nut to 80 pounds and spin the tire around
several times and re-torque. Repeat until you are confident the
spindles are tight.
Torque the outer spindle nut to 50 pounds. DON'T FORGET the washer
between these two nuts, and DON'T FORGET to bend one side over so it
will hold the outside spindle nut.; This washer is really a cleverly
disguised locking device; use it.
Torque the dust shield nuts to 50 pounds."
Is there anything else I need to know?
And yes, I still made it up the rock face, and back out through some
right slick and tricky stuff in 3-wheel drive.
TrailMarker."
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> You are more full of ---- than a Christmas Turkey. A hub is a hub, and it is
> not the axle tube.
>
> The hub has two bearings inside, and the inner bearing also has a grease
> seal adjacent to it. This has nothing at all to do with the axle shaft,
> except that the axle shaft causes the hub to turn if the hub lock is engaged
> and 4WD is selected on the tcase. Otherwise, the hubs turn because the
> ground is going by.
>
> The OP was not very clear on what he was talking about when he wondered
> about the ring on the end of something. I took a wild guess that he was
> talking about the snap ring (which I called a circlip) on the end of the
> axle shaft where the locking hubs engage. There is also a ring that is
> inside the hub. This ring is really a seal, but if the rubber was gone from
> the seal, a ring would be left.
>
> What I was wondering about is, where in Hell did you come up with an analogy
> about thatever is inside a YJ hub and axle? The topic is clearly an '85 CJ7.
> In the case of the CJ, the hub is also the brake rotor, but I was trying
> really hard to not confuse you with that much detail.
http://www.----------.com/72jeepSpindle.jpg
And where did the Original Poster write of "circle clip"?
"From: "TrailMarker" <carrollcaboodle@netzero.com> Tue 3:47 PM
Subject: Locker abuse
Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I actually
needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock hill. And so,
naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I bought a H-D
replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more expensive part
the weak link.
I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for an '85 CJ-7
Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out there? Does
anyone know any special tricks that would help me out? Do I also need
to replace any seals or gaskets while I'm at it? One thing that has me
worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube. I guess
it's just a pressed in seal or guide. It's been knocked loose by the
wobbling axle shaft. Does it press in place? Is it just a splash seal?
I don't see this part on the exploded views in the books or catalogs I
have.
I did a Google search and found a couple of posts by Jeff Strickland
that make the job sound pretty straight forward.
He says
"Remove the hub locks.
Remove the brake rotors.
Remove the large spindle nuts from inside the spindles and pull the
hubs off.
Remove 6 nuts holding the dust shield on and remove the shield.
Use a large rubber mallet, or a board and a hammer to nudge the
spindles off.
Slide the axle shafts out and replace the UJoints.
Assemble in reverse order.
Torque the inner spindle nut to 80 pounds and spin the tire around
several times and re-torque. Repeat until you are confident the
spindles are tight.
Torque the outer spindle nut to 50 pounds. DON'T FORGET the washer
between these two nuts, and DON'T FORGET to bend one side over so it
will hold the outside spindle nut.; This washer is really a cleverly
disguised locking device; use it.
Torque the dust shield nuts to 50 pounds."
Is there anything else I need to know?
And yes, I still made it up the rock face, and back out through some
right slick and tricky stuff in 3-wheel drive.
TrailMarker."
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> You are more full of ---- than a Christmas Turkey. A hub is a hub, and it is
> not the axle tube.
>
> The hub has two bearings inside, and the inner bearing also has a grease
> seal adjacent to it. This has nothing at all to do with the axle shaft,
> except that the axle shaft causes the hub to turn if the hub lock is engaged
> and 4WD is selected on the tcase. Otherwise, the hubs turn because the
> ground is going by.
>
> The OP was not very clear on what he was talking about when he wondered
> about the ring on the end of something. I took a wild guess that he was
> talking about the snap ring (which I called a circlip) on the end of the
> axle shaft where the locking hubs engage. There is also a ring that is
> inside the hub. This ring is really a seal, but if the rubber was gone from
> the seal, a ring would be left.
>
> What I was wondering about is, where in Hell did you come up with an analogy
> about thatever is inside a YJ hub and axle? The topic is clearly an '85 CJ7.
> In the case of the CJ, the hub is also the brake rotor, but I was trying
> really hard to not confuse you with that much detail.
#125
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Locker abuse
So.... Your axle tube, everyone else would calls a spindle?
http://www.----------.com/72jeepSpindle.jpg
And where did the Original Poster write of "circle clip"?
"From: "TrailMarker" <carrollcaboodle@netzero.com> Tue 3:47 PM
Subject: Locker abuse
Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I actually
needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock hill. And so,
naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I bought a H-D
replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more expensive part
the weak link.
I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for an '85 CJ-7
Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out there? Does
anyone know any special tricks that would help me out? Do I also need
to replace any seals or gaskets while I'm at it? One thing that has me
worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube. I guess
it's just a pressed in seal or guide. It's been knocked loose by the
wobbling axle shaft. Does it press in place? Is it just a splash seal?
I don't see this part on the exploded views in the books or catalogs I
have.
I did a Google search and found a couple of posts by Jeff Strickland
that make the job sound pretty straight forward.
He says
"Remove the hub locks.
Remove the brake rotors.
Remove the large spindle nuts from inside the spindles and pull the
hubs off.
Remove 6 nuts holding the dust shield on and remove the shield.
Use a large rubber mallet, or a board and a hammer to nudge the
spindles off.
Slide the axle shafts out and replace the UJoints.
Assemble in reverse order.
Torque the inner spindle nut to 80 pounds and spin the tire around
several times and re-torque. Repeat until you are confident the
spindles are tight.
Torque the outer spindle nut to 50 pounds. DON'T FORGET the washer
between these two nuts, and DON'T FORGET to bend one side over so it
will hold the outside spindle nut.; This washer is really a cleverly
disguised locking device; use it.
Torque the dust shield nuts to 50 pounds."
Is there anything else I need to know?
And yes, I still made it up the rock face, and back out through some
right slick and tricky stuff in 3-wheel drive.
TrailMarker."
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> You are more full of ---- than a Christmas Turkey. A hub is a hub, and it is
> not the axle tube.
>
> The hub has two bearings inside, and the inner bearing also has a grease
> seal adjacent to it. This has nothing at all to do with the axle shaft,
> except that the axle shaft causes the hub to turn if the hub lock is engaged
> and 4WD is selected on the tcase. Otherwise, the hubs turn because the
> ground is going by.
>
> The OP was not very clear on what he was talking about when he wondered
> about the ring on the end of something. I took a wild guess that he was
> talking about the snap ring (which I called a circlip) on the end of the
> axle shaft where the locking hubs engage. There is also a ring that is
> inside the hub. This ring is really a seal, but if the rubber was gone from
> the seal, a ring would be left.
>
> What I was wondering about is, where in Hell did you come up with an analogy
> about thatever is inside a YJ hub and axle? The topic is clearly an '85 CJ7.
> In the case of the CJ, the hub is also the brake rotor, but I was trying
> really hard to not confuse you with that much detail.
http://www.----------.com/72jeepSpindle.jpg
And where did the Original Poster write of "circle clip"?
"From: "TrailMarker" <carrollcaboodle@netzero.com> Tue 3:47 PM
Subject: Locker abuse
Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I actually
needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock hill. And so,
naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I bought a H-D
replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more expensive part
the weak link.
I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for an '85 CJ-7
Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out there? Does
anyone know any special tricks that would help me out? Do I also need
to replace any seals or gaskets while I'm at it? One thing that has me
worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube. I guess
it's just a pressed in seal or guide. It's been knocked loose by the
wobbling axle shaft. Does it press in place? Is it just a splash seal?
I don't see this part on the exploded views in the books or catalogs I
have.
I did a Google search and found a couple of posts by Jeff Strickland
that make the job sound pretty straight forward.
He says
"Remove the hub locks.
Remove the brake rotors.
Remove the large spindle nuts from inside the spindles and pull the
hubs off.
Remove 6 nuts holding the dust shield on and remove the shield.
Use a large rubber mallet, or a board and a hammer to nudge the
spindles off.
Slide the axle shafts out and replace the UJoints.
Assemble in reverse order.
Torque the inner spindle nut to 80 pounds and spin the tire around
several times and re-torque. Repeat until you are confident the
spindles are tight.
Torque the outer spindle nut to 50 pounds. DON'T FORGET the washer
between these two nuts, and DON'T FORGET to bend one side over so it
will hold the outside spindle nut.; This washer is really a cleverly
disguised locking device; use it.
Torque the dust shield nuts to 50 pounds."
Is there anything else I need to know?
And yes, I still made it up the rock face, and back out through some
right slick and tricky stuff in 3-wheel drive.
TrailMarker."
--
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> You are more full of ---- than a Christmas Turkey. A hub is a hub, and it is
> not the axle tube.
>
> The hub has two bearings inside, and the inner bearing also has a grease
> seal adjacent to it. This has nothing at all to do with the axle shaft,
> except that the axle shaft causes the hub to turn if the hub lock is engaged
> and 4WD is selected on the tcase. Otherwise, the hubs turn because the
> ground is going by.
>
> The OP was not very clear on what he was talking about when he wondered
> about the ring on the end of something. I took a wild guess that he was
> talking about the snap ring (which I called a circlip) on the end of the
> axle shaft where the locking hubs engage. There is also a ring that is
> inside the hub. This ring is really a seal, but if the rubber was gone from
> the seal, a ring would be left.
>
> What I was wondering about is, where in Hell did you come up with an analogy
> about thatever is inside a YJ hub and axle? The topic is clearly an '85 CJ7.
> In the case of the CJ, the hub is also the brake rotor, but I was trying
> really hard to not confuse you with that much detail.
#126
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Re: Locker abuse
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
>
> Got it. This is pressed onto the axle shaft, isn't it. Not pressed really
> hard, but it comes out with the shaft, and can be moved from one shaft to
> another when the shafts are replaced. Right? I think there might even be a
> felt ring on this part.
>
That's the puppy! The CJ has a rubber ring on some I have seen and the
YJ's and TJ's just have a plastic guard there with no ring at all. The
CJ one is pressed on, the YJ one is two halves bolted on.
He could even get a YJ bolt on one if his is pooched likely.
Apples and oranges compared to what you were talking about....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
> Got it. This is pressed onto the axle shaft, isn't it. Not pressed really
> hard, but it comes out with the shaft, and can be moved from one shaft to
> another when the shafts are replaced. Right? I think there might even be a
> felt ring on this part.
>
That's the puppy! The CJ has a rubber ring on some I have seen and the
YJ's and TJ's just have a plastic guard there with no ring at all. The
CJ one is pressed on, the YJ one is two halves bolted on.
He could even get a YJ bolt on one if his is pooched likely.
Apples and oranges compared to what you were talking about....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#127
Guest
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Re: Locker abuse
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
>
> Got it. This is pressed onto the axle shaft, isn't it. Not pressed really
> hard, but it comes out with the shaft, and can be moved from one shaft to
> another when the shafts are replaced. Right? I think there might even be a
> felt ring on this part.
>
That's the puppy! The CJ has a rubber ring on some I have seen and the
YJ's and TJ's just have a plastic guard there with no ring at all. The
CJ one is pressed on, the YJ one is two halves bolted on.
He could even get a YJ bolt on one if his is pooched likely.
Apples and oranges compared to what you were talking about....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
> Got it. This is pressed onto the axle shaft, isn't it. Not pressed really
> hard, but it comes out with the shaft, and can be moved from one shaft to
> another when the shafts are replaced. Right? I think there might even be a
> felt ring on this part.
>
That's the puppy! The CJ has a rubber ring on some I have seen and the
YJ's and TJ's just have a plastic guard there with no ring at all. The
CJ one is pressed on, the YJ one is two halves bolted on.
He could even get a YJ bolt on one if his is pooched likely.
Apples and oranges compared to what you were talking about....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#128
Guest
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Re: Locker abuse
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
>
> Got it. This is pressed onto the axle shaft, isn't it. Not pressed really
> hard, but it comes out with the shaft, and can be moved from one shaft to
> another when the shafts are replaced. Right? I think there might even be a
> felt ring on this part.
>
That's the puppy! The CJ has a rubber ring on some I have seen and the
YJ's and TJ's just have a plastic guard there with no ring at all. The
CJ one is pressed on, the YJ one is two halves bolted on.
He could even get a YJ bolt on one if his is pooched likely.
Apples and oranges compared to what you were talking about....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
> Got it. This is pressed onto the axle shaft, isn't it. Not pressed really
> hard, but it comes out with the shaft, and can be moved from one shaft to
> another when the shafts are replaced. Right? I think there might even be a
> felt ring on this part.
>
That's the puppy! The CJ has a rubber ring on some I have seen and the
YJ's and TJ's just have a plastic guard there with no ring at all. The
CJ one is pressed on, the YJ one is two halves bolted on.
He could even get a YJ bolt on one if his is pooched likely.
Apples and oranges compared to what you were talking about....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#129
Guest
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Re: Locker abuse
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
>
> Got it. This is pressed onto the axle shaft, isn't it. Not pressed really
> hard, but it comes out with the shaft, and can be moved from one shaft to
> another when the shafts are replaced. Right? I think there might even be a
> felt ring on this part.
>
That's the puppy! The CJ has a rubber ring on some I have seen and the
YJ's and TJ's just have a plastic guard there with no ring at all. The
CJ one is pressed on, the YJ one is two halves bolted on.
He could even get a YJ bolt on one if his is pooched likely.
Apples and oranges compared to what you were talking about....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
>
> Got it. This is pressed onto the axle shaft, isn't it. Not pressed really
> hard, but it comes out with the shaft, and can be moved from one shaft to
> another when the shafts are replaced. Right? I think there might even be a
> felt ring on this part.
>
That's the puppy! The CJ has a rubber ring on some I have seen and the
YJ's and TJ's just have a plastic guard there with no ring at all. The
CJ one is pressed on, the YJ one is two halves bolted on.
He could even get a YJ bolt on one if his is pooched likely.
Apples and oranges compared to what you were talking about....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#130
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Re: Locker abuse
No.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:429F6F01.8A70D835@***.net...
> So.... Your axle tube, everyone else would calls a spindle?
> http://www.----------.com/72jeepSpindle.jpg
> And where did the Original Poster write of "circle clip"?
> "From: "TrailMarker" <carrollcaboodle@netzero.com> Tue 3:47 PM
> Subject: Locker abuse
>
> Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I actually
> needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock hill. And so,
> naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I bought a H-D
> replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more expensive part
> the weak link.
> I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for an '85 CJ-7
> Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out there? Does
> anyone know any special tricks that would help me out? Do I also need
> to replace any seals or gaskets while I'm at it? One thing that has me
> worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube. I guess
> it's just a pressed in seal or guide. It's been knocked loose by the
> wobbling axle shaft. Does it press in place? Is it just a splash seal?
> I don't see this part on the exploded views in the books or catalogs I
> have.
> I did a Google search and found a couple of posts by Jeff Strickland
> that make the job sound pretty straight forward.
> He says
>
> "Remove the hub locks.
> Remove the brake rotors.
> Remove the large spindle nuts from inside the spindles and pull the
> hubs off.
> Remove 6 nuts holding the dust shield on and remove the shield.
> Use a large rubber mallet, or a board and a hammer to nudge the
> spindles off.
> Slide the axle shafts out and replace the UJoints.
> Assemble in reverse order.
> Torque the inner spindle nut to 80 pounds and spin the tire around
> several times and re-torque. Repeat until you are confident the
> spindles are tight.
> Torque the outer spindle nut to 50 pounds. DON'T FORGET the washer
> between these two nuts, and DON'T FORGET to bend one side over so it
> will hold the outside spindle nut.; This washer is really a cleverly
> disguised locking device; use it.
> Torque the dust shield nuts to 50 pounds."
>
> Is there anything else I need to know?
> And yes, I still made it up the rock face, and back out through some
> right slick and tricky stuff in 3-wheel drive.
> TrailMarker."
>
> --
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > You are more full of ---- than a Christmas Turkey. A hub is a hub, and
it is
> > not the axle tube.
> >
> > The hub has two bearings inside, and the inner bearing also has a grease
> > seal adjacent to it. This has nothing at all to do with the axle shaft,
> > except that the axle shaft causes the hub to turn if the hub lock is
engaged
> > and 4WD is selected on the tcase. Otherwise, the hubs turn because the
> > ground is going by.
> >
> > The OP was not very clear on what he was talking about when he wondered
> > about the ring on the end of something. I took a wild guess that he was
> > talking about the snap ring (which I called a circlip) on the end of the
> > axle shaft where the locking hubs engage. There is also a ring that is
> > inside the hub. This ring is really a seal, but if the rubber was gone
from
> > the seal, a ring would be left.
> >
> > What I was wondering about is, where in Hell did you come up with an
analogy
> > about thatever is inside a YJ hub and axle? The topic is clearly an '85
CJ7.
> > In the case of the CJ, the hub is also the brake rotor, but I was trying
> > really hard to not confuse you with that much detail.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:429F6F01.8A70D835@***.net...
> So.... Your axle tube, everyone else would calls a spindle?
> http://www.----------.com/72jeepSpindle.jpg
> And where did the Original Poster write of "circle clip"?
> "From: "TrailMarker" <carrollcaboodle@netzero.com> Tue 3:47 PM
> Subject: Locker abuse
>
> Well, I've had my front ARB a few weeks now. Yesterday, I actually
> needed it for the first time. I was climbing a steep rock hill. And so,
> naturally, I just busted my first front axle U-joint. I bought a H-D
> replacement - but hopefully this won't make some more expensive part
> the weak link.
> I'm looking for advice on the replacement job. This is for an '85 CJ-7
> Dana 30 - passenger's side. Are there any gotcha's out there? Does
> anyone know any special tricks that would help me out? Do I also need
> to replace any seals or gaskets while I'm at it? One thing that has me
> worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube. I guess
> it's just a pressed in seal or guide. It's been knocked loose by the
> wobbling axle shaft. Does it press in place? Is it just a splash seal?
> I don't see this part on the exploded views in the books or catalogs I
> have.
> I did a Google search and found a couple of posts by Jeff Strickland
> that make the job sound pretty straight forward.
> He says
>
> "Remove the hub locks.
> Remove the brake rotors.
> Remove the large spindle nuts from inside the spindles and pull the
> hubs off.
> Remove 6 nuts holding the dust shield on and remove the shield.
> Use a large rubber mallet, or a board and a hammer to nudge the
> spindles off.
> Slide the axle shafts out and replace the UJoints.
> Assemble in reverse order.
> Torque the inner spindle nut to 80 pounds and spin the tire around
> several times and re-torque. Repeat until you are confident the
> spindles are tight.
> Torque the outer spindle nut to 50 pounds. DON'T FORGET the washer
> between these two nuts, and DON'T FORGET to bend one side over so it
> will hold the outside spindle nut.; This washer is really a cleverly
> disguised locking device; use it.
> Torque the dust shield nuts to 50 pounds."
>
> Is there anything else I need to know?
> And yes, I still made it up the rock face, and back out through some
> right slick and tricky stuff in 3-wheel drive.
> TrailMarker."
>
> --
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > You are more full of ---- than a Christmas Turkey. A hub is a hub, and
it is
> > not the axle tube.
> >
> > The hub has two bearings inside, and the inner bearing also has a grease
> > seal adjacent to it. This has nothing at all to do with the axle shaft,
> > except that the axle shaft causes the hub to turn if the hub lock is
engaged
> > and 4WD is selected on the tcase. Otherwise, the hubs turn because the
> > ground is going by.
> >
> > The OP was not very clear on what he was talking about when he wondered
> > about the ring on the end of something. I took a wild guess that he was
> > talking about the snap ring (which I called a circlip) on the end of the
> > axle shaft where the locking hubs engage. There is also a ring that is
> > inside the hub. This ring is really a seal, but if the rubber was gone
from
> > the seal, a ring would be left.
> >
> > What I was wondering about is, where in Hell did you come up with an
analogy
> > about thatever is inside a YJ hub and axle? The topic is clearly an '85
CJ7.
> > In the case of the CJ, the hub is also the brake rotor, but I was trying
> > really hard to not confuse you with that much detail.