Locker abuse
06-02-2005, 03:18 PM
#111
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Re: Locker abuse
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:429F490F.88741F61@sympatico.ca...
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:429E4860.FA0D1829@***.net...
> > > > Jeff, this is the part I wanted you to read "One thing that has me
> > > > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube.
> > >
> > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
> function
> > > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> > >
> > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of
> the
> > > grease seal.
> >
> > My floating axles have a metal dust shield at the end of the tube on the
> > axle. YJ's and TJ's use a plastic dust shield there. None of the above
> > have any seals in the outer axle tubes. The axles just flop around with
> > the hub removed.
> >
> > You are talking the stub axle Yoke that goes through the spindle on the
> > other/out side of the u-joint.
> >
> > The dana 30 front differential only has inboard seals located inside the
> > pumpkin unless it is a vacuum disconnect for those few years in which
> > case it 'still' only has inboard seals, they are just in the shift lock
> > box. Still no seals at the end of the axle tubes for any year of D30 I
> > have seen.
> >
>
> There is a grease seal that is inside the hub of my CJ. When the hubs are
> pulled off to expose the bearings, there is a seal that covers the inner
> bearing. The seal rides on a lip on the outside of the spindle. There is no
> seal for the axle shaft at this location, but there is a seal for the hub
> bearings where the hub mates to the spindle.
>
> There is a dust shield that bolts to the spindle. The dust shield is more of
> a rock guard for the brake rotors though. It appears to me that the shield
> could be left off and the brakes would still work fine. I am not suggesting
> removal of this shield, but if the shield were to become damaged, it could
> be removed as part of a field fix, and replaced when the vehicle eventually
> made it back to the barn. When the shield is removed, the spindle can then
> be removed with a pursuader of any of several different designs -- I use a
> rubber mallet, some guys use a block of wood and a hammer. Inside the
> spindle is a needle bearing that the axle shaft rides on. There is no seal
> here.
>
My CJ is different. The needle bearings inside the spindle have both a
dust seal and a grease seal.
Now to get where Bill and I are talking, you follow the outer yoke that
goes through the spindle to the u-joint heading toward the center of the
Jeep. Once past the u-joint, there is a metal dust seal on the axle
with a rubber o-ring on some, then the axle continues on to the
grease/oil seal a foot or so farther at the pumpkin.
From the u-joint to the pumpkin, there is a metal dust cover (plastic on
YJ's and TJ's, 'this' is the cover we are all going on about), the axle,
then the seal, then the bearing, then the gears.
You are talking the outer axle stub or yoke.
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:429F490F.88741F61@sympatico.ca...
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:429E4860.FA0D1829@***.net...
> > > > Jeff, this is the part I wanted you to read "One thing that has me
> > > > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube.
> > >
> > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
> function
> > > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> > >
> > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of
> the
> > > grease seal.
> >
> > My floating axles have a metal dust shield at the end of the tube on the
> > axle. YJ's and TJ's use a plastic dust shield there. None of the above
> > have any seals in the outer axle tubes. The axles just flop around with
> > the hub removed.
> >
> > You are talking the stub axle Yoke that goes through the spindle on the
> > other/out side of the u-joint.
> >
> > The dana 30 front differential only has inboard seals located inside the
> > pumpkin unless it is a vacuum disconnect for those few years in which
> > case it 'still' only has inboard seals, they are just in the shift lock
> > box. Still no seals at the end of the axle tubes for any year of D30 I
> > have seen.
> >
>
> There is a grease seal that is inside the hub of my CJ. When the hubs are
> pulled off to expose the bearings, there is a seal that covers the inner
> bearing. The seal rides on a lip on the outside of the spindle. There is no
> seal for the axle shaft at this location, but there is a seal for the hub
> bearings where the hub mates to the spindle.
>
> There is a dust shield that bolts to the spindle. The dust shield is more of
> a rock guard for the brake rotors though. It appears to me that the shield
> could be left off and the brakes would still work fine. I am not suggesting
> removal of this shield, but if the shield were to become damaged, it could
> be removed as part of a field fix, and replaced when the vehicle eventually
> made it back to the barn. When the shield is removed, the spindle can then
> be removed with a pursuader of any of several different designs -- I use a
> rubber mallet, some guys use a block of wood and a hammer. Inside the
> spindle is a needle bearing that the axle shaft rides on. There is no seal
> here.
>
My CJ is different. The needle bearings inside the spindle have both a
dust seal and a grease seal.
Now to get where Bill and I are talking, you follow the outer yoke that
goes through the spindle to the u-joint heading toward the center of the
Jeep. Once past the u-joint, there is a metal dust seal on the axle
with a rubber o-ring on some, then the axle continues on to the
grease/oil seal a foot or so farther at the pumpkin.
From the u-joint to the pumpkin, there is a metal dust cover (plastic on
YJ's and TJ's, 'this' is the cover we are all going on about), the axle,
then the seal, then the bearing, then the gears.
You are talking the outer axle stub or yoke.
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
06-02-2005, 03:18 PM
#112
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Posts: n/a
Re: Locker abuse
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:429F490F.88741F61@sympatico.ca...
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:429E4860.FA0D1829@***.net...
> > > > Jeff, this is the part I wanted you to read "One thing that has me
> > > > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube.
> > >
> > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
> function
> > > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> > >
> > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of
> the
> > > grease seal.
> >
> > My floating axles have a metal dust shield at the end of the tube on the
> > axle. YJ's and TJ's use a plastic dust shield there. None of the above
> > have any seals in the outer axle tubes. The axles just flop around with
> > the hub removed.
> >
> > You are talking the stub axle Yoke that goes through the spindle on the
> > other/out side of the u-joint.
> >
> > The dana 30 front differential only has inboard seals located inside the
> > pumpkin unless it is a vacuum disconnect for those few years in which
> > case it 'still' only has inboard seals, they are just in the shift lock
> > box. Still no seals at the end of the axle tubes for any year of D30 I
> > have seen.
> >
>
> There is a grease seal that is inside the hub of my CJ. When the hubs are
> pulled off to expose the bearings, there is a seal that covers the inner
> bearing. The seal rides on a lip on the outside of the spindle. There is no
> seal for the axle shaft at this location, but there is a seal for the hub
> bearings where the hub mates to the spindle.
>
> There is a dust shield that bolts to the spindle. The dust shield is more of
> a rock guard for the brake rotors though. It appears to me that the shield
> could be left off and the brakes would still work fine. I am not suggesting
> removal of this shield, but if the shield were to become damaged, it could
> be removed as part of a field fix, and replaced when the vehicle eventually
> made it back to the barn. When the shield is removed, the spindle can then
> be removed with a pursuader of any of several different designs -- I use a
> rubber mallet, some guys use a block of wood and a hammer. Inside the
> spindle is a needle bearing that the axle shaft rides on. There is no seal
> here.
>
My CJ is different. The needle bearings inside the spindle have both a
dust seal and a grease seal.
Now to get where Bill and I are talking, you follow the outer yoke that
goes through the spindle to the u-joint heading toward the center of the
Jeep. Once past the u-joint, there is a metal dust seal on the axle
with a rubber o-ring on some, then the axle continues on to the
grease/oil seal a foot or so farther at the pumpkin.
From the u-joint to the pumpkin, there is a metal dust cover (plastic on
YJ's and TJ's, 'this' is the cover we are all going on about), the axle,
then the seal, then the bearing, then the gears.
You are talking the outer axle stub or yoke.
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:429F490F.88741F61@sympatico.ca...
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:429E4860.FA0D1829@***.net...
> > > > Jeff, this is the part I wanted you to read "One thing that has me
> > > > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube.
> > >
> > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
> function
> > > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> > >
> > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of
> the
> > > grease seal.
> >
> > My floating axles have a metal dust shield at the end of the tube on the
> > axle. YJ's and TJ's use a plastic dust shield there. None of the above
> > have any seals in the outer axle tubes. The axles just flop around with
> > the hub removed.
> >
> > You are talking the stub axle Yoke that goes through the spindle on the
> > other/out side of the u-joint.
> >
> > The dana 30 front differential only has inboard seals located inside the
> > pumpkin unless it is a vacuum disconnect for those few years in which
> > case it 'still' only has inboard seals, they are just in the shift lock
> > box. Still no seals at the end of the axle tubes for any year of D30 I
> > have seen.
> >
>
> There is a grease seal that is inside the hub of my CJ. When the hubs are
> pulled off to expose the bearings, there is a seal that covers the inner
> bearing. The seal rides on a lip on the outside of the spindle. There is no
> seal for the axle shaft at this location, but there is a seal for the hub
> bearings where the hub mates to the spindle.
>
> There is a dust shield that bolts to the spindle. The dust shield is more of
> a rock guard for the brake rotors though. It appears to me that the shield
> could be left off and the brakes would still work fine. I am not suggesting
> removal of this shield, but if the shield were to become damaged, it could
> be removed as part of a field fix, and replaced when the vehicle eventually
> made it back to the barn. When the shield is removed, the spindle can then
> be removed with a pursuader of any of several different designs -- I use a
> rubber mallet, some guys use a block of wood and a hammer. Inside the
> spindle is a needle bearing that the axle shaft rides on. There is no seal
> here.
>
My CJ is different. The needle bearings inside the spindle have both a
dust seal and a grease seal.
Now to get where Bill and I are talking, you follow the outer yoke that
goes through the spindle to the u-joint heading toward the center of the
Jeep. Once past the u-joint, there is a metal dust seal on the axle
with a rubber o-ring on some, then the axle continues on to the
grease/oil seal a foot or so farther at the pumpkin.
From the u-joint to the pumpkin, there is a metal dust cover (plastic on
YJ's and TJ's, 'this' is the cover we are all going on about), the axle,
then the seal, then the bearing, then the gears.
You are talking the outer axle stub or yoke.
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
06-02-2005, 03:18 PM
#113
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Posts: n/a
Re: Locker abuse
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:429F490F.88741F61@sympatico.ca...
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:429E4860.FA0D1829@***.net...
> > > > Jeff, this is the part I wanted you to read "One thing that has me
> > > > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube.
> > >
> > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
> function
> > > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> > >
> > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of
> the
> > > grease seal.
> >
> > My floating axles have a metal dust shield at the end of the tube on the
> > axle. YJ's and TJ's use a plastic dust shield there. None of the above
> > have any seals in the outer axle tubes. The axles just flop around with
> > the hub removed.
> >
> > You are talking the stub axle Yoke that goes through the spindle on the
> > other/out side of the u-joint.
> >
> > The dana 30 front differential only has inboard seals located inside the
> > pumpkin unless it is a vacuum disconnect for those few years in which
> > case it 'still' only has inboard seals, they are just in the shift lock
> > box. Still no seals at the end of the axle tubes for any year of D30 I
> > have seen.
> >
>
> There is a grease seal that is inside the hub of my CJ. When the hubs are
> pulled off to expose the bearings, there is a seal that covers the inner
> bearing. The seal rides on a lip on the outside of the spindle. There is no
> seal for the axle shaft at this location, but there is a seal for the hub
> bearings where the hub mates to the spindle.
>
> There is a dust shield that bolts to the spindle. The dust shield is more of
> a rock guard for the brake rotors though. It appears to me that the shield
> could be left off and the brakes would still work fine. I am not suggesting
> removal of this shield, but if the shield were to become damaged, it could
> be removed as part of a field fix, and replaced when the vehicle eventually
> made it back to the barn. When the shield is removed, the spindle can then
> be removed with a pursuader of any of several different designs -- I use a
> rubber mallet, some guys use a block of wood and a hammer. Inside the
> spindle is a needle bearing that the axle shaft rides on. There is no seal
> here.
>
My CJ is different. The needle bearings inside the spindle have both a
dust seal and a grease seal.
Now to get where Bill and I are talking, you follow the outer yoke that
goes through the spindle to the u-joint heading toward the center of the
Jeep. Once past the u-joint, there is a metal dust seal on the axle
with a rubber o-ring on some, then the axle continues on to the
grease/oil seal a foot or so farther at the pumpkin.
From the u-joint to the pumpkin, there is a metal dust cover (plastic on
YJ's and TJ's, 'this' is the cover we are all going on about), the axle,
then the seal, then the bearing, then the gears.
You are talking the outer axle stub or yoke.
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:429F490F.88741F61@sympatico.ca...
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:429E4860.FA0D1829@***.net...
> > > > Jeff, this is the part I wanted you to read "One thing that has me
> > > > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube.
> > >
> > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
> function
> > > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> > >
> > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of
> the
> > > grease seal.
> >
> > My floating axles have a metal dust shield at the end of the tube on the
> > axle. YJ's and TJ's use a plastic dust shield there. None of the above
> > have any seals in the outer axle tubes. The axles just flop around with
> > the hub removed.
> >
> > You are talking the stub axle Yoke that goes through the spindle on the
> > other/out side of the u-joint.
> >
> > The dana 30 front differential only has inboard seals located inside the
> > pumpkin unless it is a vacuum disconnect for those few years in which
> > case it 'still' only has inboard seals, they are just in the shift lock
> > box. Still no seals at the end of the axle tubes for any year of D30 I
> > have seen.
> >
>
> There is a grease seal that is inside the hub of my CJ. When the hubs are
> pulled off to expose the bearings, there is a seal that covers the inner
> bearing. The seal rides on a lip on the outside of the spindle. There is no
> seal for the axle shaft at this location, but there is a seal for the hub
> bearings where the hub mates to the spindle.
>
> There is a dust shield that bolts to the spindle. The dust shield is more of
> a rock guard for the brake rotors though. It appears to me that the shield
> could be left off and the brakes would still work fine. I am not suggesting
> removal of this shield, but if the shield were to become damaged, it could
> be removed as part of a field fix, and replaced when the vehicle eventually
> made it back to the barn. When the shield is removed, the spindle can then
> be removed with a pursuader of any of several different designs -- I use a
> rubber mallet, some guys use a block of wood and a hammer. Inside the
> spindle is a needle bearing that the axle shaft rides on. There is no seal
> here.
>
My CJ is different. The needle bearings inside the spindle have both a
dust seal and a grease seal.
Now to get where Bill and I are talking, you follow the outer yoke that
goes through the spindle to the u-joint heading toward the center of the
Jeep. Once past the u-joint, there is a metal dust seal on the axle
with a rubber o-ring on some, then the axle continues on to the
grease/oil seal a foot or so farther at the pumpkin.
From the u-joint to the pumpkin, there is a metal dust cover (plastic on
YJ's and TJ's, 'this' is the cover we are all going on about), the axle,
then the seal, then the bearing, then the gears.
You are talking the outer axle stub or yoke.
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
06-02-2005, 03:20 PM
#114
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Locker abuse
You are more full of ---- than a Christmas Turkey. A hub is a hub, and it is
not the axle tube.
The hub has two bearings inside, and the inner bearing also has a grease
seal adjacent to it. This has nothing at all to do with the axle shaft,
except that the axle shaft causes the hub to turn if the hub lock is engaged
and 4WD is selected on the tcase. Otherwise, the hubs turn because the
ground is going by.
The OP was not very clear on what he was talking about when he wondered
about the ring on the end of something. I took a wild guess that he was
talking about the snap ring (which I called a circlip) on the end of the
axle shaft where the locking hubs engage. There is also a ring that is
inside the hub. This ring is really a seal, but if the rubber was gone from
the seal, a ring would be left.
What I was wondering about is, where in Hell did you come up with an analogy
about thatever is inside a YJ hub and axle? The topic is clearly an '85 CJ7.
In the case of the CJ, the hub is also the brake rotor, but I was trying
really hard to not confuse you with that much detail.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:429F57C1.44AA7C24@***.net...
> You call a axle tube, what the rest of use call a hub, so the snap
> ring you talk is at the axle end inside the locking hub, or number two
> position in this Dana 25:
> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...WheelParts.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
function
> > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of
the
> > grease seal.
not the axle tube.
The hub has two bearings inside, and the inner bearing also has a grease
seal adjacent to it. This has nothing at all to do with the axle shaft,
except that the axle shaft causes the hub to turn if the hub lock is engaged
and 4WD is selected on the tcase. Otherwise, the hubs turn because the
ground is going by.
The OP was not very clear on what he was talking about when he wondered
about the ring on the end of something. I took a wild guess that he was
talking about the snap ring (which I called a circlip) on the end of the
axle shaft where the locking hubs engage. There is also a ring that is
inside the hub. This ring is really a seal, but if the rubber was gone from
the seal, a ring would be left.
What I was wondering about is, where in Hell did you come up with an analogy
about thatever is inside a YJ hub and axle? The topic is clearly an '85 CJ7.
In the case of the CJ, the hub is also the brake rotor, but I was trying
really hard to not confuse you with that much detail.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:429F57C1.44AA7C24@***.net...
> You call a axle tube, what the rest of use call a hub, so the snap
> ring you talk is at the axle end inside the locking hub, or number two
> position in this Dana 25:
> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...WheelParts.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
function
> > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of
the
> > grease seal.
06-02-2005, 03:20 PM
#115
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Locker abuse
You are more full of ---- than a Christmas Turkey. A hub is a hub, and it is
not the axle tube.
The hub has two bearings inside, and the inner bearing also has a grease
seal adjacent to it. This has nothing at all to do with the axle shaft,
except that the axle shaft causes the hub to turn if the hub lock is engaged
and 4WD is selected on the tcase. Otherwise, the hubs turn because the
ground is going by.
The OP was not very clear on what he was talking about when he wondered
about the ring on the end of something. I took a wild guess that he was
talking about the snap ring (which I called a circlip) on the end of the
axle shaft where the locking hubs engage. There is also a ring that is
inside the hub. This ring is really a seal, but if the rubber was gone from
the seal, a ring would be left.
What I was wondering about is, where in Hell did you come up with an analogy
about thatever is inside a YJ hub and axle? The topic is clearly an '85 CJ7.
In the case of the CJ, the hub is also the brake rotor, but I was trying
really hard to not confuse you with that much detail.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:429F57C1.44AA7C24@***.net...
> You call a axle tube, what the rest of use call a hub, so the snap
> ring you talk is at the axle end inside the locking hub, or number two
> position in this Dana 25:
> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...WheelParts.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
function
> > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of
the
> > grease seal.
not the axle tube.
The hub has two bearings inside, and the inner bearing also has a grease
seal adjacent to it. This has nothing at all to do with the axle shaft,
except that the axle shaft causes the hub to turn if the hub lock is engaged
and 4WD is selected on the tcase. Otherwise, the hubs turn because the
ground is going by.
The OP was not very clear on what he was talking about when he wondered
about the ring on the end of something. I took a wild guess that he was
talking about the snap ring (which I called a circlip) on the end of the
axle shaft where the locking hubs engage. There is also a ring that is
inside the hub. This ring is really a seal, but if the rubber was gone from
the seal, a ring would be left.
What I was wondering about is, where in Hell did you come up with an analogy
about thatever is inside a YJ hub and axle? The topic is clearly an '85 CJ7.
In the case of the CJ, the hub is also the brake rotor, but I was trying
really hard to not confuse you with that much detail.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:429F57C1.44AA7C24@***.net...
> You call a axle tube, what the rest of use call a hub, so the snap
> ring you talk is at the axle end inside the locking hub, or number two
> position in this Dana 25:
> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...WheelParts.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
function
> > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of
the
> > grease seal.
06-02-2005, 03:20 PM
#116
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Locker abuse
You are more full of ---- than a Christmas Turkey. A hub is a hub, and it is
not the axle tube.
The hub has two bearings inside, and the inner bearing also has a grease
seal adjacent to it. This has nothing at all to do with the axle shaft,
except that the axle shaft causes the hub to turn if the hub lock is engaged
and 4WD is selected on the tcase. Otherwise, the hubs turn because the
ground is going by.
The OP was not very clear on what he was talking about when he wondered
about the ring on the end of something. I took a wild guess that he was
talking about the snap ring (which I called a circlip) on the end of the
axle shaft where the locking hubs engage. There is also a ring that is
inside the hub. This ring is really a seal, but if the rubber was gone from
the seal, a ring would be left.
What I was wondering about is, where in Hell did you come up with an analogy
about thatever is inside a YJ hub and axle? The topic is clearly an '85 CJ7.
In the case of the CJ, the hub is also the brake rotor, but I was trying
really hard to not confuse you with that much detail.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:429F57C1.44AA7C24@***.net...
> You call a axle tube, what the rest of use call a hub, so the snap
> ring you talk is at the axle end inside the locking hub, or number two
> position in this Dana 25:
> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...WheelParts.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
function
> > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of
the
> > grease seal.
not the axle tube.
The hub has two bearings inside, and the inner bearing also has a grease
seal adjacent to it. This has nothing at all to do with the axle shaft,
except that the axle shaft causes the hub to turn if the hub lock is engaged
and 4WD is selected on the tcase. Otherwise, the hubs turn because the
ground is going by.
The OP was not very clear on what he was talking about when he wondered
about the ring on the end of something. I took a wild guess that he was
talking about the snap ring (which I called a circlip) on the end of the
axle shaft where the locking hubs engage. There is also a ring that is
inside the hub. This ring is really a seal, but if the rubber was gone from
the seal, a ring would be left.
What I was wondering about is, where in Hell did you come up with an analogy
about thatever is inside a YJ hub and axle? The topic is clearly an '85 CJ7.
In the case of the CJ, the hub is also the brake rotor, but I was trying
really hard to not confuse you with that much detail.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:429F57C1.44AA7C24@***.net...
> You call a axle tube, what the rest of use call a hub, so the snap
> ring you talk is at the axle end inside the locking hub, or number two
> position in this Dana 25:
> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...WheelParts.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
function
> > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of
the
> > grease seal.
06-02-2005, 03:20 PM
#117
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Locker abuse
You are more full of ---- than a Christmas Turkey. A hub is a hub, and it is
not the axle tube.
The hub has two bearings inside, and the inner bearing also has a grease
seal adjacent to it. This has nothing at all to do with the axle shaft,
except that the axle shaft causes the hub to turn if the hub lock is engaged
and 4WD is selected on the tcase. Otherwise, the hubs turn because the
ground is going by.
The OP was not very clear on what he was talking about when he wondered
about the ring on the end of something. I took a wild guess that he was
talking about the snap ring (which I called a circlip) on the end of the
axle shaft where the locking hubs engage. There is also a ring that is
inside the hub. This ring is really a seal, but if the rubber was gone from
the seal, a ring would be left.
What I was wondering about is, where in Hell did you come up with an analogy
about thatever is inside a YJ hub and axle? The topic is clearly an '85 CJ7.
In the case of the CJ, the hub is also the brake rotor, but I was trying
really hard to not confuse you with that much detail.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:429F57C1.44AA7C24@***.net...
> You call a axle tube, what the rest of use call a hub, so the snap
> ring you talk is at the axle end inside the locking hub, or number two
> position in this Dana 25:
> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...WheelParts.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
function
> > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of
the
> > grease seal.
not the axle tube.
The hub has two bearings inside, and the inner bearing also has a grease
seal adjacent to it. This has nothing at all to do with the axle shaft,
except that the axle shaft causes the hub to turn if the hub lock is engaged
and 4WD is selected on the tcase. Otherwise, the hubs turn because the
ground is going by.
The OP was not very clear on what he was talking about when he wondered
about the ring on the end of something. I took a wild guess that he was
talking about the snap ring (which I called a circlip) on the end of the
axle shaft where the locking hubs engage. There is also a ring that is
inside the hub. This ring is really a seal, but if the rubber was gone from
the seal, a ring would be left.
What I was wondering about is, where in Hell did you come up with an analogy
about thatever is inside a YJ hub and axle? The topic is clearly an '85 CJ7.
In the case of the CJ, the hub is also the brake rotor, but I was trying
really hard to not confuse you with that much detail.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:429F57C1.44AA7C24@***.net...
> You call a axle tube, what the rest of use call a hub, so the snap
> ring you talk is at the axle end inside the locking hub, or number two
> position in this Dana 25:
> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...WheelParts.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
function
> > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of
the
> > grease seal.
06-02-2005, 03:58 PM
#118
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Locker abuse
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:429F5B74.7EAB27FC@sympatico.ca...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:429F490F.88741F61@sympatico.ca...
> > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:429E4860.FA0D1829@***.net...
> > > > > Jeff, this is the part I wanted you to read "One thing that has me
> > > > > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube.
> > > >
> > > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
> > function
> > > > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> > > >
> > > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's
left of
> > the
> > > > grease seal.
> > >
> > > My floating axles have a metal dust shield at the end of the tube on
the
> > > axle. YJ's and TJ's use a plastic dust shield there. None of the
above
> > > have any seals in the outer axle tubes. The axles just flop around
with
> > > the hub removed.
> > >
> > > You are talking the stub axle Yoke that goes through the spindle on
the
> > > other/out side of the u-joint.
> > >
> > > The dana 30 front differential only has inboard seals located inside
the
> > > pumpkin unless it is a vacuum disconnect for those few years in which
> > > case it 'still' only has inboard seals, they are just in the shift
lock
> > > box. Still no seals at the end of the axle tubes for any year of D30
I
> > > have seen.
> > >
> >
> > There is a grease seal that is inside the hub of my CJ. When the hubs
are
> > pulled off to expose the bearings, there is a seal that covers the inner
> > bearing. The seal rides on a lip on the outside of the spindle. There is
no
> > seal for the axle shaft at this location, but there is a seal for the
hub
> > bearings where the hub mates to the spindle.
> >
> > There is a dust shield that bolts to the spindle. The dust shield is
more of
> > a rock guard for the brake rotors though. It appears to me that the
shield
> > could be left off and the brakes would still work fine. I am not
suggesting
> > removal of this shield, but if the shield were to become damaged, it
could
> > be removed as part of a field fix, and replaced when the vehicle
eventually
> > made it back to the barn. When the shield is removed, the spindle can
then
> > be removed with a pursuader of any of several different designs -- I use
a
> > rubber mallet, some guys use a block of wood and a hammer. Inside the
> > spindle is a needle bearing that the axle shaft rides on. There is no
seal
> > here.
> >
>
> My CJ is different. The needle bearings inside the spindle have both a
> dust seal and a grease seal.
>
I am not remembering that very clearly. I remember the needle bearing
vividly, but the other parts are not coming to mind.
> Now to get where Bill and I are talking, you follow the outer yoke that
> goes through the spindle to the u-joint heading toward the center of the
> Jeep. Once past the u-joint, there is a metal dust seal on the axle
> with a rubber o-ring on some, then the axle continues on to the
> grease/oil seal a foot or so farther at the pumpkin.
>
Yes, that is true. Follow the spindle going the other way, into the hub.
There is a seal inside the hub where the inner bearing is. That is the seal
I was talking about.
> From the u-joint to the pumpkin, there is a metal dust cover (plastic on
> YJ's and TJ's, 'this' is the cover we are all going on about), the axle,
> then the seal, then the bearing, then the gears.
>
Got it. This is pressed onto the axle shaft, isn't it. Not pressed really
hard, but it comes out with the shaft, and can be moved from one shaft to
another when the shafts are replaced. Right? I think there might even be a
felt ring on this part.
> You are talking the outer axle stub or yoke.
Yes, I am. That is where I thought the OP was having questions. His goal is
to replace the u-joints, so I was only thinking of stuff that he would
encounter on the way to the u-joint. This includes the snap ring on the end
of the axle shaft (which might not even be there), the spindle nuts and
retaining rings, the hub with its bearings and seal, the spindle itself with
its needle bearing, and the axle. I did not include the brakes, which
obviously will be along the path to the object of his desire.
06-02-2005, 03:58 PM
#119
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Locker abuse
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:429F5B74.7EAB27FC@sympatico.ca...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:429F490F.88741F61@sympatico.ca...
> > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:429E4860.FA0D1829@***.net...
> > > > > Jeff, this is the part I wanted you to read "One thing that has me
> > > > > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube.
> > > >
> > > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
> > function
> > > > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> > > >
> > > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's
left of
> > the
> > > > grease seal.
> > >
> > > My floating axles have a metal dust shield at the end of the tube on
the
> > > axle. YJ's and TJ's use a plastic dust shield there. None of the
above
> > > have any seals in the outer axle tubes. The axles just flop around
with
> > > the hub removed.
> > >
> > > You are talking the stub axle Yoke that goes through the spindle on
the
> > > other/out side of the u-joint.
> > >
> > > The dana 30 front differential only has inboard seals located inside
the
> > > pumpkin unless it is a vacuum disconnect for those few years in which
> > > case it 'still' only has inboard seals, they are just in the shift
lock
> > > box. Still no seals at the end of the axle tubes for any year of D30
I
> > > have seen.
> > >
> >
> > There is a grease seal that is inside the hub of my CJ. When the hubs
are
> > pulled off to expose the bearings, there is a seal that covers the inner
> > bearing. The seal rides on a lip on the outside of the spindle. There is
no
> > seal for the axle shaft at this location, but there is a seal for the
hub
> > bearings where the hub mates to the spindle.
> >
> > There is a dust shield that bolts to the spindle. The dust shield is
more of
> > a rock guard for the brake rotors though. It appears to me that the
shield
> > could be left off and the brakes would still work fine. I am not
suggesting
> > removal of this shield, but if the shield were to become damaged, it
could
> > be removed as part of a field fix, and replaced when the vehicle
eventually
> > made it back to the barn. When the shield is removed, the spindle can
then
> > be removed with a pursuader of any of several different designs -- I use
a
> > rubber mallet, some guys use a block of wood and a hammer. Inside the
> > spindle is a needle bearing that the axle shaft rides on. There is no
seal
> > here.
> >
>
> My CJ is different. The needle bearings inside the spindle have both a
> dust seal and a grease seal.
>
I am not remembering that very clearly. I remember the needle bearing
vividly, but the other parts are not coming to mind.
> Now to get where Bill and I are talking, you follow the outer yoke that
> goes through the spindle to the u-joint heading toward the center of the
> Jeep. Once past the u-joint, there is a metal dust seal on the axle
> with a rubber o-ring on some, then the axle continues on to the
> grease/oil seal a foot or so farther at the pumpkin.
>
Yes, that is true. Follow the spindle going the other way, into the hub.
There is a seal inside the hub where the inner bearing is. That is the seal
I was talking about.
> From the u-joint to the pumpkin, there is a metal dust cover (plastic on
> YJ's and TJ's, 'this' is the cover we are all going on about), the axle,
> then the seal, then the bearing, then the gears.
>
Got it. This is pressed onto the axle shaft, isn't it. Not pressed really
hard, but it comes out with the shaft, and can be moved from one shaft to
another when the shafts are replaced. Right? I think there might even be a
felt ring on this part.
> You are talking the outer axle stub or yoke.
Yes, I am. That is where I thought the OP was having questions. His goal is
to replace the u-joints, so I was only thinking of stuff that he would
encounter on the way to the u-joint. This includes the snap ring on the end
of the axle shaft (which might not even be there), the spindle nuts and
retaining rings, the hub with its bearings and seal, the spindle itself with
its needle bearing, and the axle. I did not include the brakes, which
obviously will be along the path to the object of his desire.
06-02-2005, 03:58 PM
#120
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Locker abuse
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:429F5B74.7EAB27FC@sympatico.ca...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:429F490F.88741F61@sympatico.ca...
> > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:429E4860.FA0D1829@***.net...
> > > > > Jeff, this is the part I wanted you to read "One thing that has me
> > > > > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube.
> > > >
> > > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
> > function
> > > > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> > > >
> > > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's
left of
> > the
> > > > grease seal.
> > >
> > > My floating axles have a metal dust shield at the end of the tube on
the
> > > axle. YJ's and TJ's use a plastic dust shield there. None of the
above
> > > have any seals in the outer axle tubes. The axles just flop around
with
> > > the hub removed.
> > >
> > > You are talking the stub axle Yoke that goes through the spindle on
the
> > > other/out side of the u-joint.
> > >
> > > The dana 30 front differential only has inboard seals located inside
the
> > > pumpkin unless it is a vacuum disconnect for those few years in which
> > > case it 'still' only has inboard seals, they are just in the shift
lock
> > > box. Still no seals at the end of the axle tubes for any year of D30
I
> > > have seen.
> > >
> >
> > There is a grease seal that is inside the hub of my CJ. When the hubs
are
> > pulled off to expose the bearings, there is a seal that covers the inner
> > bearing. The seal rides on a lip on the outside of the spindle. There is
no
> > seal for the axle shaft at this location, but there is a seal for the
hub
> > bearings where the hub mates to the spindle.
> >
> > There is a dust shield that bolts to the spindle. The dust shield is
more of
> > a rock guard for the brake rotors though. It appears to me that the
shield
> > could be left off and the brakes would still work fine. I am not
suggesting
> > removal of this shield, but if the shield were to become damaged, it
could
> > be removed as part of a field fix, and replaced when the vehicle
eventually
> > made it back to the barn. When the shield is removed, the spindle can
then
> > be removed with a pursuader of any of several different designs -- I use
a
> > rubber mallet, some guys use a block of wood and a hammer. Inside the
> > spindle is a needle bearing that the axle shaft rides on. There is no
seal
> > here.
> >
>
> My CJ is different. The needle bearings inside the spindle have both a
> dust seal and a grease seal.
>
I am not remembering that very clearly. I remember the needle bearing
vividly, but the other parts are not coming to mind.
> Now to get where Bill and I are talking, you follow the outer yoke that
> goes through the spindle to the u-joint heading toward the center of the
> Jeep. Once past the u-joint, there is a metal dust seal on the axle
> with a rubber o-ring on some, then the axle continues on to the
> grease/oil seal a foot or so farther at the pumpkin.
>
Yes, that is true. Follow the spindle going the other way, into the hub.
There is a seal inside the hub where the inner bearing is. That is the seal
I was talking about.
> From the u-joint to the pumpkin, there is a metal dust cover (plastic on
> YJ's and TJ's, 'this' is the cover we are all going on about), the axle,
> then the seal, then the bearing, then the gears.
>
Got it. This is pressed onto the axle shaft, isn't it. Not pressed really
hard, but it comes out with the shaft, and can be moved from one shaft to
another when the shafts are replaced. Right? I think there might even be a
felt ring on this part.
> You are talking the outer axle stub or yoke.
Yes, I am. That is where I thought the OP was having questions. His goal is
to replace the u-joints, so I was only thinking of stuff that he would
encounter on the way to the u-joint. This includes the snap ring on the end
of the axle shaft (which might not even be there), the spindle nuts and
retaining rings, the hub with its bearings and seal, the spindle itself with
its needle bearing, and the axle. I did not include the brakes, which
obviously will be along the path to the object of his desire.