Locker abuse
06-02-2005, 01:59 PM
#101
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Re: Locker abuse
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:429E4860.FA0D1829@***.net...
> > Jeff, this is the part I wanted you to read "One thing that has me
> > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube.
>
> The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its function
> is to keep the axle in place laterally.
>
> The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of the
> grease seal.
My floating axles have a metal dust shield at the end of the tube on the
axle. YJ's and TJ's use a plastic dust shield there. None of the above
have any seals in the outer axle tubes. The axles just flop around with
the hub removed.
You are talking the stub axle Yoke that goes through the spindle on the
other/out side of the u-joint.
The dana 30 front differential only has inboard seals located inside the
pumpkin unless it is a vacuum disconnect for those few years in which
case it 'still' only has inboard seals, they are just in the shift lock
box. Still no seals at the end of the axle tubes for any year of D30 I
have seen.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:429E4860.FA0D1829@***.net...
> > Jeff, this is the part I wanted you to read "One thing that has me
> > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube.
>
> The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its function
> is to keep the axle in place laterally.
>
> The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of the
> grease seal.
My floating axles have a metal dust shield at the end of the tube on the
axle. YJ's and TJ's use a plastic dust shield there. None of the above
have any seals in the outer axle tubes. The axles just flop around with
the hub removed.
You are talking the stub axle Yoke that goes through the spindle on the
other/out side of the u-joint.
The dana 30 front differential only has inboard seals located inside the
pumpkin unless it is a vacuum disconnect for those few years in which
case it 'still' only has inboard seals, they are just in the shift lock
box. Still no seals at the end of the axle tubes for any year of D30 I
have seen.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
06-02-2005, 02:53 PM
#102
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Re: Locker abuse
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:429F490F.88741F61@sympatico.ca...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:429E4860.FA0D1829@***.net...
> > > Jeff, this is the part I wanted you to read "One thing that has me
> > > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube.
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
function
> > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of
the
> > grease seal.
>
> My floating axles have a metal dust shield at the end of the tube on the
> axle. YJ's and TJ's use a plastic dust shield there. None of the above
> have any seals in the outer axle tubes. The axles just flop around with
> the hub removed.
>
> You are talking the stub axle Yoke that goes through the spindle on the
> other/out side of the u-joint.
>
> The dana 30 front differential only has inboard seals located inside the
> pumpkin unless it is a vacuum disconnect for those few years in which
> case it 'still' only has inboard seals, they are just in the shift lock
> box. Still no seals at the end of the axle tubes for any year of D30 I
> have seen.
>
There is a grease seal that is inside the hub of my CJ. When the hubs are
pulled off to expose the bearings, there is a seal that covers the inner
bearing. The seal rides on a lip on the outside of the spindle. There is no
seal for the axle shaft at this location, but there is a seal for the hub
bearings where the hub mates to the spindle.
There is a dust shield that bolts to the spindle. The dust shield is more of
a rock guard for the brake rotors though. It appears to me that the shield
could be left off and the brakes would still work fine. I am not suggesting
removal of this shield, but if the shield were to become damaged, it could
be removed as part of a field fix, and replaced when the vehicle eventually
made it back to the barn. When the shield is removed, the spindle can then
be removed with a pursuader of any of several different designs -- I use a
rubber mallet, some guys use a block of wood and a hammer. Inside the
spindle is a needle bearing that the axle shaft rides on. There is no seal
here.
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
06-02-2005, 02:53 PM
#103
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Re: Locker abuse
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:429F490F.88741F61@sympatico.ca...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:429E4860.FA0D1829@***.net...
> > > Jeff, this is the part I wanted you to read "One thing that has me
> > > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube.
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
function
> > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of
the
> > grease seal.
>
> My floating axles have a metal dust shield at the end of the tube on the
> axle. YJ's and TJ's use a plastic dust shield there. None of the above
> have any seals in the outer axle tubes. The axles just flop around with
> the hub removed.
>
> You are talking the stub axle Yoke that goes through the spindle on the
> other/out side of the u-joint.
>
> The dana 30 front differential only has inboard seals located inside the
> pumpkin unless it is a vacuum disconnect for those few years in which
> case it 'still' only has inboard seals, they are just in the shift lock
> box. Still no seals at the end of the axle tubes for any year of D30 I
> have seen.
>
There is a grease seal that is inside the hub of my CJ. When the hubs are
pulled off to expose the bearings, there is a seal that covers the inner
bearing. The seal rides on a lip on the outside of the spindle. There is no
seal for the axle shaft at this location, but there is a seal for the hub
bearings where the hub mates to the spindle.
There is a dust shield that bolts to the spindle. The dust shield is more of
a rock guard for the brake rotors though. It appears to me that the shield
could be left off and the brakes would still work fine. I am not suggesting
removal of this shield, but if the shield were to become damaged, it could
be removed as part of a field fix, and replaced when the vehicle eventually
made it back to the barn. When the shield is removed, the spindle can then
be removed with a pursuader of any of several different designs -- I use a
rubber mallet, some guys use a block of wood and a hammer. Inside the
spindle is a needle bearing that the axle shaft rides on. There is no seal
here.
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
06-02-2005, 02:53 PM
#104
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Re: Locker abuse
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:429F490F.88741F61@sympatico.ca...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:429E4860.FA0D1829@***.net...
> > > Jeff, this is the part I wanted you to read "One thing that has me
> > > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube.
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
function
> > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of
the
> > grease seal.
>
> My floating axles have a metal dust shield at the end of the tube on the
> axle. YJ's and TJ's use a plastic dust shield there. None of the above
> have any seals in the outer axle tubes. The axles just flop around with
> the hub removed.
>
> You are talking the stub axle Yoke that goes through the spindle on the
> other/out side of the u-joint.
>
> The dana 30 front differential only has inboard seals located inside the
> pumpkin unless it is a vacuum disconnect for those few years in which
> case it 'still' only has inboard seals, they are just in the shift lock
> box. Still no seals at the end of the axle tubes for any year of D30 I
> have seen.
>
There is a grease seal that is inside the hub of my CJ. When the hubs are
pulled off to expose the bearings, there is a seal that covers the inner
bearing. The seal rides on a lip on the outside of the spindle. There is no
seal for the axle shaft at this location, but there is a seal for the hub
bearings where the hub mates to the spindle.
There is a dust shield that bolts to the spindle. The dust shield is more of
a rock guard for the brake rotors though. It appears to me that the shield
could be left off and the brakes would still work fine. I am not suggesting
removal of this shield, but if the shield were to become damaged, it could
be removed as part of a field fix, and replaced when the vehicle eventually
made it back to the barn. When the shield is removed, the spindle can then
be removed with a pursuader of any of several different designs -- I use a
rubber mallet, some guys use a block of wood and a hammer. Inside the
spindle is a needle bearing that the axle shaft rides on. There is no seal
here.
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
06-02-2005, 02:53 PM
#105
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Re: Locker abuse
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:429F490F.88741F61@sympatico.ca...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:429E4860.FA0D1829@***.net...
> > > Jeff, this is the part I wanted you to read "One thing that has me
> > > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube.
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
function
> > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> >
> > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of
the
> > grease seal.
>
> My floating axles have a metal dust shield at the end of the tube on the
> axle. YJ's and TJ's use a plastic dust shield there. None of the above
> have any seals in the outer axle tubes. The axles just flop around with
> the hub removed.
>
> You are talking the stub axle Yoke that goes through the spindle on the
> other/out side of the u-joint.
>
> The dana 30 front differential only has inboard seals located inside the
> pumpkin unless it is a vacuum disconnect for those few years in which
> case it 'still' only has inboard seals, they are just in the shift lock
> box. Still no seals at the end of the axle tubes for any year of D30 I
> have seen.
>
There is a grease seal that is inside the hub of my CJ. When the hubs are
pulled off to expose the bearings, there is a seal that covers the inner
bearing. The seal rides on a lip on the outside of the spindle. There is no
seal for the axle shaft at this location, but there is a seal for the hub
bearings where the hub mates to the spindle.
There is a dust shield that bolts to the spindle. The dust shield is more of
a rock guard for the brake rotors though. It appears to me that the shield
could be left off and the brakes would still work fine. I am not suggesting
removal of this shield, but if the shield were to become damaged, it could
be removed as part of a field fix, and replaced when the vehicle eventually
made it back to the barn. When the shield is removed, the spindle can then
be removed with a pursuader of any of several different designs -- I use a
rubber mallet, some guys use a block of wood and a hammer. Inside the
spindle is a needle bearing that the axle shaft rides on. There is no seal
here.
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
06-02-2005, 03:02 PM
#106
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Re: Locker abuse
You call a axle tube, what the rest of use call a hub, so the snap
ring you talk is at the axle end inside the locking hub, or number two
position in this Dana 25:
http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...WheelParts.jpg
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Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its function
> is to keep the axle in place laterally.
>
> The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of the
> grease seal.
ring you talk is at the axle end inside the locking hub, or number two
position in this Dana 25:
http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...WheelParts.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its function
> is to keep the axle in place laterally.
>
> The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of the
> grease seal.
06-02-2005, 03:02 PM
#107
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Re: Locker abuse
You call a axle tube, what the rest of use call a hub, so the snap
ring you talk is at the axle end inside the locking hub, or number two
position in this Dana 25:
http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...WheelParts.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its function
> is to keep the axle in place laterally.
>
> The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of the
> grease seal.
ring you talk is at the axle end inside the locking hub, or number two
position in this Dana 25:
http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...WheelParts.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its function
> is to keep the axle in place laterally.
>
> The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of the
> grease seal.
06-02-2005, 03:02 PM
#108
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Re: Locker abuse
You call a axle tube, what the rest of use call a hub, so the snap
ring you talk is at the axle end inside the locking hub, or number two
position in this Dana 25:
http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...WheelParts.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its function
> is to keep the axle in place laterally.
>
> The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of the
> grease seal.
ring you talk is at the axle end inside the locking hub, or number two
position in this Dana 25:
http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...WheelParts.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its function
> is to keep the axle in place laterally.
>
> The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of the
> grease seal.
06-02-2005, 03:02 PM
#109
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Re: Locker abuse
You call a axle tube, what the rest of use call a hub, so the snap
ring you talk is at the axle end inside the locking hub, or number two
position in this Dana 25:
http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...WheelParts.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its function
> is to keep the axle in place laterally.
>
> The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of the
> grease seal.
ring you talk is at the axle end inside the locking hub, or number two
position in this Dana 25:
http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...WheelParts.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its function
> is to keep the axle in place laterally.
>
> The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of the
> grease seal.
06-02-2005, 03:18 PM
#110
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Re: Locker abuse
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:429F490F.88741F61@sympatico.ca...
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:429E4860.FA0D1829@***.net...
> > > > Jeff, this is the part I wanted you to read "One thing that has me
> > > > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube.
> > >
> > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
> function
> > > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> > >
> > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of
> the
> > > grease seal.
> >
> > My floating axles have a metal dust shield at the end of the tube on the
> > axle. YJ's and TJ's use a plastic dust shield there. None of the above
> > have any seals in the outer axle tubes. The axles just flop around with
> > the hub removed.
> >
> > You are talking the stub axle Yoke that goes through the spindle on the
> > other/out side of the u-joint.
> >
> > The dana 30 front differential only has inboard seals located inside the
> > pumpkin unless it is a vacuum disconnect for those few years in which
> > case it 'still' only has inboard seals, they are just in the shift lock
> > box. Still no seals at the end of the axle tubes for any year of D30 I
> > have seen.
> >
>
> There is a grease seal that is inside the hub of my CJ. When the hubs are
> pulled off to expose the bearings, there is a seal that covers the inner
> bearing. The seal rides on a lip on the outside of the spindle. There is no
> seal for the axle shaft at this location, but there is a seal for the hub
> bearings where the hub mates to the spindle.
>
> There is a dust shield that bolts to the spindle. The dust shield is more of
> a rock guard for the brake rotors though. It appears to me that the shield
> could be left off and the brakes would still work fine. I am not suggesting
> removal of this shield, but if the shield were to become damaged, it could
> be removed as part of a field fix, and replaced when the vehicle eventually
> made it back to the barn. When the shield is removed, the spindle can then
> be removed with a pursuader of any of several different designs -- I use a
> rubber mallet, some guys use a block of wood and a hammer. Inside the
> spindle is a needle bearing that the axle shaft rides on. There is no seal
> here.
>
My CJ is different. The needle bearings inside the spindle have both a
dust seal and a grease seal.
Now to get where Bill and I are talking, you follow the outer yoke that
goes through the spindle to the u-joint heading toward the center of the
Jeep. Once past the u-joint, there is a metal dust seal on the axle
with a rubber o-ring on some, then the axle continues on to the
grease/oil seal a foot or so farther at the pumpkin.
From the u-joint to the pumpkin, there is a metal dust cover (plastic on
YJ's and TJ's, 'this' is the cover we are all going on about), the axle,
then the seal, then the bearing, then the gears.
You are talking the outer axle stub or yoke.
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:429F490F.88741F61@sympatico.ca...
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:429E4860.FA0D1829@***.net...
> > > > Jeff, this is the part I wanted you to read "One thing that has me
> > > > worried is the metal "ring" at the outer end of the axle tube.
> > >
> > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle shaft is a circlip. Its
> function
> > > is to keep the axle in place laterally.
> > >
> > > The metal ring on the outer end of the axle tube could be what's left of
> the
> > > grease seal.
> >
> > My floating axles have a metal dust shield at the end of the tube on the
> > axle. YJ's and TJ's use a plastic dust shield there. None of the above
> > have any seals in the outer axle tubes. The axles just flop around with
> > the hub removed.
> >
> > You are talking the stub axle Yoke that goes through the spindle on the
> > other/out side of the u-joint.
> >
> > The dana 30 front differential only has inboard seals located inside the
> > pumpkin unless it is a vacuum disconnect for those few years in which
> > case it 'still' only has inboard seals, they are just in the shift lock
> > box. Still no seals at the end of the axle tubes for any year of D30 I
> > have seen.
> >
>
> There is a grease seal that is inside the hub of my CJ. When the hubs are
> pulled off to expose the bearings, there is a seal that covers the inner
> bearing. The seal rides on a lip on the outside of the spindle. There is no
> seal for the axle shaft at this location, but there is a seal for the hub
> bearings where the hub mates to the spindle.
>
> There is a dust shield that bolts to the spindle. The dust shield is more of
> a rock guard for the brake rotors though. It appears to me that the shield
> could be left off and the brakes would still work fine. I am not suggesting
> removal of this shield, but if the shield were to become damaged, it could
> be removed as part of a field fix, and replaced when the vehicle eventually
> made it back to the barn. When the shield is removed, the spindle can then
> be removed with a pursuader of any of several different designs -- I use a
> rubber mallet, some guys use a block of wood and a hammer. Inside the
> spindle is a needle bearing that the axle shaft rides on. There is no seal
> here.
>
My CJ is different. The needle bearings inside the spindle have both a
dust seal and a grease seal.
Now to get where Bill and I are talking, you follow the outer yoke that
goes through the spindle to the u-joint heading toward the center of the
Jeep. Once past the u-joint, there is a metal dust seal on the axle
with a rubber o-ring on some, then the axle continues on to the
grease/oil seal a foot or so farther at the pumpkin.
From the u-joint to the pumpkin, there is a metal dust cover (plastic on
YJ's and TJ's, 'this' is the cover we are all going on about), the axle,
then the seal, then the bearing, then the gears.
You are talking the outer axle stub or yoke.
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's