On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:00:21 GMT, DTJ <dtj@comcast.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
>wrote:
>
>>People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
>>150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
>>mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
>>never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
>>more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
>
>Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
>vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
>Toyota to go 300,000 miles.
>
>My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
>oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>miles.


Really. You are indeed the consummate -------. Only an ------- like
you would pay $20,000 for a vehicle and then another $25,000 to
maintain it. I think your own statements prove you are a dickless
Troll.

 

Approximately 11/30/03 12:00, DTJ uttered for posterity:

> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
> wrote:
>
>>People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
>>150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
>>mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
>>never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
>>more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
>
> Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
> vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
> Toyota to go 300,000 miles.
>
> My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
> oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
> EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
> miles.

Umm, not to question your credibility and record keeping here,
but that would be roughly equivalent to something like a full
engine rebuild roughly every two years. Unless you have the
unfortunate habit of buying such classics as the 8-4-2 Cadillac
or worse the diesel Oldsmobile, you must have the luck level of
Joe Bfstplk.

--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.

 

Approximately 11/30/03 12:00, DTJ uttered for posterity:

> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
> wrote:
>
>>People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
>>150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
>>mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
>>never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
>>more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
>
> Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
> vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
> Toyota to go 300,000 miles.
>
> My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
> oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
> EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
> miles.

Umm, not to question your credibility and record keeping here,
but that would be roughly equivalent to something like a full
engine rebuild roughly every two years. Unless you have the
unfortunate habit of buying such classics as the 8-4-2 Cadillac
or worse the diesel Oldsmobile, you must have the luck level of
Joe Bfstplk.

--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.

 

Approximately 11/30/03 12:00, DTJ uttered for posterity:

> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
> wrote:
>
>>People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
>>150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
>>mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
>>never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
>>more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
>
> Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
> vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
> Toyota to go 300,000 miles.
>
> My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
> oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
> EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
> miles.

Umm, not to question your credibility and record keeping here,
but that would be roughly equivalent to something like a full
engine rebuild roughly every two years. Unless you have the
unfortunate habit of buying such classics as the 8-4-2 Cadillac
or worse the diesel Oldsmobile, you must have the luck level of
Joe Bfstplk.

--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.

 

DTJ wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
> wrote:
>
> >People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
> >150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
> >mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
> >never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
> >more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
>
> Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
> vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
> Toyota to go 300,000 miles.

How about some backup to this statistic? It sound like BS to me.

> My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
> oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
> EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
> miles.

I have not spend $5000 on mechanical repairs on all the Fords I have
owned in my life (34 years of driving, 13 Fords). At least 3 of those
exceeded 140,000 miles while I owned them and only five had less than
90,000. In addition, in the last 34 years, the rest of may family has
owned 15 Fords, and all of them plus all of mine added together have not
required $5000 worth of repairs in total. In terms of money spent on
repairs, the worst tree cars I owned were all Japanes - Toyota Cressida,
Datsun 280Z, Mazada 626 in that order. The worst American car I owned was
a Plymouth Reliant, but all the problems I had (and there were many) were
handled by the warranty (they never had to fix the same problem twice).
In terms of out of warranty repiar costs, paid by me, the following list
is from worst to best repair costs are estimates and are from memory and
probably not particualrly accurate):

Car (new/used, approximate reapir expenses, mileage when disposed)
'83 Toyota Cressida (new, $3000, 80k miles) - sold
'75 Datsun 280 Z (new, $1500, 50k miles) - sold to friend
'83 Mazda 626 (new, $1100, 60k miles) - sold to Sister
'92 F150 (new, $1000, 92k miles) - currently own
'75 Jensen Healey (used, $900, parts, 20k miles) - sold
'74 Jensen Healey (used, $800, parts, 15k miles) - sold
'97 Ford Expedition (new, $600, 150k miles) - traded on 2003 Expedition
'81 Audi Coupe (new, $500, 50k miles) - traded on Mada 626
'86 Mercury Sable (new, $400, 140k miles) - sold to friend
'78 Ford Fiesta (used, $300, 140k miles) - sold
'72 Ford Pinto (new, $200, 100K miles) - sold
'86 Ford Ranger (used, $100, 90k miles) - wrecked/sold
'01 Ford Mustang (new, $70, 37k miles) - traded on Vue
'78 Ford Couirer (used, $0, 90k miles) - sold
'89 Ford Taurus (new, $0, 30k miles) - ex got in divorce
'78 Ford Fairmont (new, $0, 36k miles) - sold
'81 Plymouth Reliant (new, $0, 18k miles) - traded on Audi Coupe
'73 Ford Pinto (used, $0, 90k miles) - sold to friend
'03 Ford Expedition (new, $0, 37k miles) - currently own
'03 Saturn Vue (new, $0, 6k miles) - currently own
'95 Ford Explorer (new, $0, 32K miles) - traded for '97 Expedition

The lsit does not include routine maintenace and wear items (brake pads,
etc.).

My Sister has owned two Hondas ('80 Accord, '97 Civic). Both have been
excellent cars. However both have need some minor repairs. The current
Civic has around 50k miles and so far has needed plug wires, a muffler,
and couple of interior plastic parts that broke off. The paint on her
bumper is flaking off and the engine consume some oil (1 quart in 1k
miles or so). I replaced the plug wires and muffler, so her total repair
bill to date is less than $200 (parts only). So on my list, it rates
about the same as a 1972 Pinto.

Ed

 

DTJ wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
> wrote:
>
> >People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
> >150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
> >mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
> >never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
> >more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
>
> Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
> vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
> Toyota to go 300,000 miles.

How about some backup to this statistic? It sound like BS to me.

> My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
> oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
> EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
> miles.

I have not spend $5000 on mechanical repairs on all the Fords I have
owned in my life (34 years of driving, 13 Fords). At least 3 of those
exceeded 140,000 miles while I owned them and only five had less than
90,000. In addition, in the last 34 years, the rest of may family has
owned 15 Fords, and all of them plus all of mine added together have not
required $5000 worth of repairs in total. In terms of money spent on
repairs, the worst tree cars I owned were all Japanes - Toyota Cressida,
Datsun 280Z, Mazada 626 in that order. The worst American car I owned was
a Plymouth Reliant, but all the problems I had (and there were many) were
handled by the warranty (they never had to fix the same problem twice).
In terms of out of warranty repiar costs, paid by me, the following list
is from worst to best repair costs are estimates and are from memory and
probably not particualrly accurate):

Car (new/used, approximate reapir expenses, mileage when disposed)
'83 Toyota Cressida (new, $3000, 80k miles) - sold
'75 Datsun 280 Z (new, $1500, 50k miles) - sold to friend
'83 Mazda 626 (new, $1100, 60k miles) - sold to Sister
'92 F150 (new, $1000, 92k miles) - currently own
'75 Jensen Healey (used, $900, parts, 20k miles) - sold
'74 Jensen Healey (used, $800, parts, 15k miles) - sold
'97 Ford Expedition (new, $600, 150k miles) - traded on 2003 Expedition
'81 Audi Coupe (new, $500, 50k miles) - traded on Mada 626
'86 Mercury Sable (new, $400, 140k miles) - sold to friend
'78 Ford Fiesta (used, $300, 140k miles) - sold
'72 Ford Pinto (new, $200, 100K miles) - sold
'86 Ford Ranger (used, $100, 90k miles) - wrecked/sold
'01 Ford Mustang (new, $70, 37k miles) - traded on Vue
'78 Ford Couirer (used, $0, 90k miles) - sold
'89 Ford Taurus (new, $0, 30k miles) - ex got in divorce
'78 Ford Fairmont (new, $0, 36k miles) - sold
'81 Plymouth Reliant (new, $0, 18k miles) - traded on Audi Coupe
'73 Ford Pinto (used, $0, 90k miles) - sold to friend
'03 Ford Expedition (new, $0, 37k miles) - currently own
'03 Saturn Vue (new, $0, 6k miles) - currently own
'95 Ford Explorer (new, $0, 32K miles) - traded for '97 Expedition

The lsit does not include routine maintenace and wear items (brake pads,
etc.).

My Sister has owned two Hondas ('80 Accord, '97 Civic). Both have been
excellent cars. However both have need some minor repairs. The current
Civic has around 50k miles and so far has needed plug wires, a muffler,
and couple of interior plastic parts that broke off. The paint on her
bumper is flaking off and the engine consume some oil (1 quart in 1k
miles or so). I replaced the plug wires and muffler, so her total repair
bill to date is less than $200 (parts only). So on my list, it rates
about the same as a 1972 Pinto.

Ed

 

DTJ wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
> wrote:
>
> >People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
> >150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
> >mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
> >never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
> >more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
>
> Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
> vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
> Toyota to go 300,000 miles.

How about some backup to this statistic? It sound like BS to me.

> My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
> oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
> EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
> miles.

I have not spend $5000 on mechanical repairs on all the Fords I have
owned in my life (34 years of driving, 13 Fords). At least 3 of those
exceeded 140,000 miles while I owned them and only five had less than
90,000. In addition, in the last 34 years, the rest of may family has
owned 15 Fords, and all of them plus all of mine added together have not
required $5000 worth of repairs in total. In terms of money spent on
repairs, the worst tree cars I owned were all Japanes - Toyota Cressida,
Datsun 280Z, Mazada 626 in that order. The worst American car I owned was
a Plymouth Reliant, but all the problems I had (and there were many) were
handled by the warranty (they never had to fix the same problem twice).
In terms of out of warranty repiar costs, paid by me, the following list
is from worst to best repair costs are estimates and are from memory and
probably not particualrly accurate):

Car (new/used, approximate reapir expenses, mileage when disposed)
'83 Toyota Cressida (new, $3000, 80k miles) - sold
'75 Datsun 280 Z (new, $1500, 50k miles) - sold to friend
'83 Mazda 626 (new, $1100, 60k miles) - sold to Sister
'92 F150 (new, $1000, 92k miles) - currently own
'75 Jensen Healey (used, $900, parts, 20k miles) - sold
'74 Jensen Healey (used, $800, parts, 15k miles) - sold
'97 Ford Expedition (new, $600, 150k miles) - traded on 2003 Expedition
'81 Audi Coupe (new, $500, 50k miles) - traded on Mada 626
'86 Mercury Sable (new, $400, 140k miles) - sold to friend
'78 Ford Fiesta (used, $300, 140k miles) - sold
'72 Ford Pinto (new, $200, 100K miles) - sold
'86 Ford Ranger (used, $100, 90k miles) - wrecked/sold
'01 Ford Mustang (new, $70, 37k miles) - traded on Vue
'78 Ford Couirer (used, $0, 90k miles) - sold
'89 Ford Taurus (new, $0, 30k miles) - ex got in divorce
'78 Ford Fairmont (new, $0, 36k miles) - sold
'81 Plymouth Reliant (new, $0, 18k miles) - traded on Audi Coupe
'73 Ford Pinto (used, $0, 90k miles) - sold to friend
'03 Ford Expedition (new, $0, 37k miles) - currently own
'03 Saturn Vue (new, $0, 6k miles) - currently own
'95 Ford Explorer (new, $0, 32K miles) - traded for '97 Expedition

The lsit does not include routine maintenace and wear items (brake pads,
etc.).

My Sister has owned two Hondas ('80 Accord, '97 Civic). Both have been
excellent cars. However both have need some minor repairs. The current
Civic has around 50k miles and so far has needed plug wires, a muffler,
and couple of interior plastic parts that broke off. The paint on her
bumper is flaking off and the engine consume some oil (1 quart in 1k
miles or so). I replaced the plug wires and muffler, so her total repair
bill to date is less than $200 (parts only). So on my list, it rates
about the same as a 1972 Pinto.

Ed

 

Chris Phillipo wrote:

> > >
> >
> > So you paid over $30,000 for a car over 10 years ago and you think that
> > $500 would be a bit much for an alternator or starter on a car in the
> > same class as the BMW 5 series? Let me let you in on a few secrets. AC
> > systems fail, they fail on 5 day old cars, they fail on 5 year old cars.
> > Second, if you have an exhaust heat problem, fixing the symptoms is not
> > going to fix the problem. You either had a bad heat shield or a rich
>
> Opps, that should read "lean running condition".

I have no reason to think the exhaust was running hot. It was fuel injected
car. The placement of the alternator was just plain stupid. I don't know what
the fact that the car cost $20,000+ has to do with the cost of the starter or
alternator. Neither contributes to the "luxury" aspects of the car. The
starter and alternators on my $2000 pintos worked just as well and were far
more reliable.

Ed

 

Chris Phillipo wrote:

> > >
> >
> > So you paid over $30,000 for a car over 10 years ago and you think that
> > $500 would be a bit much for an alternator or starter on a car in the
> > same class as the BMW 5 series? Let me let you in on a few secrets. AC
> > systems fail, they fail on 5 day old cars, they fail on 5 year old cars.
> > Second, if you have an exhaust heat problem, fixing the symptoms is not
> > going to fix the problem. You either had a bad heat shield or a rich
>
> Opps, that should read "lean running condition".

I have no reason to think the exhaust was running hot. It was fuel injected
car. The placement of the alternator was just plain stupid. I don't know what
the fact that the car cost $20,000+ has to do with the cost of the starter or
alternator. Neither contributes to the "luxury" aspects of the car. The
starter and alternators on my $2000 pintos worked just as well and were far
more reliable.

Ed

 

Chris Phillipo wrote:

> > >
> >
> > So you paid over $30,000 for a car over 10 years ago and you think that
> > $500 would be a bit much for an alternator or starter on a car in the
> > same class as the BMW 5 series? Let me let you in on a few secrets. AC
> > systems fail, they fail on 5 day old cars, they fail on 5 year old cars.
> > Second, if you have an exhaust heat problem, fixing the symptoms is not
> > going to fix the problem. You either had a bad heat shield or a rich
>
> Opps, that should read "lean running condition".

I have no reason to think the exhaust was running hot. It was fuel injected
car. The placement of the alternator was just plain stupid. I don't know what
the fact that the car cost $20,000+ has to do with the cost of the starter or
alternator. Neither contributes to the "luxury" aspects of the car. The
starter and alternators on my $2000 pintos worked just as well and were far
more reliable.

Ed