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DTJ wrote:
>
> Your inability to take care of a vehicle does not an impartial study
> make.
>
> Honda and Toyota are two of the extremely few companies that can
> actually build an engine. Ford, Chrysler, GM, Mercedes, and a bunch
> of others just suck. Every Honda I have owned has gone over 100,000
> miles without burning a drop of oil. I have never had an American car
> come even close.
>
> I laugh at Cadillac saying 100,000 without a tune up. Sure, but just
> because the plugs are still firing doesn't make up for the 3 quarts of
> oil per mile it burns...

 

Approximately 11/24/03 17:32, C. E. White uttered for posterity:

> I have never driven any car 500,000 miles and find it hard to believe
> that a 4Runner has been driven that many miles.

And yet there are people who regularly run their vehivles into
the multiple 100K range. Most tend to pay attention to the
condition of the vehicle, perform reasonable preventative
maintenance, avoid using cheap parts to save a few bucks, and
take care of small items before they become big items. These
seem to be able to do it to pretty much any style of vehicle
or brand.


> However I did once try
> to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.

Any owner that can't get 80,000 miles out of pretty much any car
sold in the last 3 decades shouldn't be allowed near cars in the
first place. I've gotten over 200K on an old 60's Chev. Just
takes care.

> Oh what a feeling. My SO did manage to get a Camry over 300,000 miles,
> but it was a rolling pieces of oil spewing junk when she replaced it.

Whereas I have a rotary with similar miles that still runs nicely.
With the exception of the clutch, thermal reactor, and cat convertor,
none of the major mech components have needed replacement. They
have gotten regular loving care even though not particularly
driven with utmost care. Have also taken a Volvo 164E past the
300K mark with even fewer mech repairs. And a Porsche, which was
slightly cheaper than the Volvo to keep in repair.


--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.

 

Approximately 11/24/03 17:32, C. E. White uttered for posterity:

> I have never driven any car 500,000 miles and find it hard to believe
> that a 4Runner has been driven that many miles.

And yet there are people who regularly run their vehivles into
the multiple 100K range. Most tend to pay attention to the
condition of the vehicle, perform reasonable preventative
maintenance, avoid using cheap parts to save a few bucks, and
take care of small items before they become big items. These
seem to be able to do it to pretty much any style of vehicle
or brand.


> However I did once try
> to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.

Any owner that can't get 80,000 miles out of pretty much any car
sold in the last 3 decades shouldn't be allowed near cars in the
first place. I've gotten over 200K on an old 60's Chev. Just
takes care.

> Oh what a feeling. My SO did manage to get a Camry over 300,000 miles,
> but it was a rolling pieces of oil spewing junk when she replaced it.

Whereas I have a rotary with similar miles that still runs nicely.
With the exception of the clutch, thermal reactor, and cat convertor,
none of the major mech components have needed replacement. They
have gotten regular loving care even though not particularly
driven with utmost care. Have also taken a Volvo 164E past the
300K mark with even fewer mech repairs. And a Porsche, which was
slightly cheaper than the Volvo to keep in repair.


--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.

 

Approximately 11/24/03 17:32, C. E. White uttered for posterity:

> I have never driven any car 500,000 miles and find it hard to believe
> that a 4Runner has been driven that many miles.

And yet there are people who regularly run their vehivles into
the multiple 100K range. Most tend to pay attention to the
condition of the vehicle, perform reasonable preventative
maintenance, avoid using cheap parts to save a few bucks, and
take care of small items before they become big items. These
seem to be able to do it to pretty much any style of vehicle
or brand.


> However I did once try
> to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.

Any owner that can't get 80,000 miles out of pretty much any car
sold in the last 3 decades shouldn't be allowed near cars in the
first place. I've gotten over 200K on an old 60's Chev. Just
takes care.

> Oh what a feeling. My SO did manage to get a Camry over 300,000 miles,
> but it was a rolling pieces of oil spewing junk when she replaced it.

Whereas I have a rotary with similar miles that still runs nicely.
With the exception of the clutch, thermal reactor, and cat convertor,
none of the major mech components have needed replacement. They
have gotten regular loving care even though not particularly
driven with utmost care. Have also taken a Volvo 164E past the
300K mark with even fewer mech repairs. And a Porsche, which was
slightly cheaper than the Volvo to keep in repair.


--
Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.

 

In article <842isvkm25rod5jp6aer0fd9lgt7gdim6g@4ax.com>, DTJ <dtj@comcast.net>
writes:

>Honda and Toyota are two of the extremely few companies that can
>actually build an engine. Ford, Chrysler, GM, Mercedes, and a bunch
>of others just suck. Every Honda I have owned has gone over 100,000
>miles without burning a drop of oil. I have never had an American car
>come even close.

My wife's 2003 Honda Oddyssey never burned any oil...it just left puddles of it
whenever it was parked a week after we took delivery. Figured it was losing
about 1 qt every 200 miles. A new oil pan, seal, and SHORTBLOCK later, all
before 1100 miles on the odo, it still leaks and we are now in lemon law
proceedings.

My '96 Ford Club Wagon, that's another story. Had 113,000 miles on it when I
sold it and it never leaked or burned a drop of oil.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

 

In article <842isvkm25rod5jp6aer0fd9lgt7gdim6g@4ax.com>, DTJ <dtj@comcast.net>
writes:

>Honda and Toyota are two of the extremely few companies that can
>actually build an engine. Ford, Chrysler, GM, Mercedes, and a bunch
>of others just suck. Every Honda I have owned has gone over 100,000
>miles without burning a drop of oil. I have never had an American car
>come even close.

My wife's 2003 Honda Oddyssey never burned any oil...it just left puddles of it
whenever it was parked a week after we took delivery. Figured it was losing
about 1 qt every 200 miles. A new oil pan, seal, and SHORTBLOCK later, all
before 1100 miles on the odo, it still leaks and we are now in lemon law
proceedings.

My '96 Ford Club Wagon, that's another story. Had 113,000 miles on it when I
sold it and it never leaked or burned a drop of oil.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

 

In article <842isvkm25rod5jp6aer0fd9lgt7gdim6g@4ax.com>, DTJ <dtj@comcast.net>
writes:

>Honda and Toyota are two of the extremely few companies that can
>actually build an engine. Ford, Chrysler, GM, Mercedes, and a bunch
>of others just suck. Every Honda I have owned has gone over 100,000
>miles without burning a drop of oil. I have never had an American car
>come even close.

My wife's 2003 Honda Oddyssey never burned any oil...it just left puddles of it
whenever it was parked a week after we took delivery. Figured it was losing
about 1 qt every 200 miles. A new oil pan, seal, and SHORTBLOCK later, all
before 1100 miles on the odo, it still leaks and we are now in lemon law
proceedings.

My '96 Ford Club Wagon, that's another story. Had 113,000 miles on it when I
sold it and it never leaked or burned a drop of oil.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

 

DTJ wrote:

> some other idiot wrote...
>
> >> I have never driven any car 500,000 miles and find it hard to believe
> >> that a 4Runner has been driven that many miles. However I did once try
> >> to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
>
> Your inability to take care of a vehicle does not an impartial study
> make.

Exactly what do you do to keep relays from failing? How do you keep the stupid
alternator from cooking the internal regulator every summer? What maintenance
do you suggest to keep the A/C from failing? Just how often do you have to
change the transmission fluid in a Toyota transmission to keep it from going
belly up (monthly?)? What treatment would have stopped all the black trim from
fading to white? What should Ii have done to keep the internal plastic from
turning white and cracking in less than 5 years? Is repainting the car routine
maintenance for a Toyota? Did I forget to change the oil in the starter or is
there some sort of magic to keep them going for more than three years? I
don't doubt that someone could drive a 4Runner 500,000 miles, I just doubted
that one had been driven that many miles is the few years they have actually
been available. To be honest I had forgotten about the awful old 2 Door
pick-up based 4Runners Toyota sold in the 80's and was only thinking of the
90's and beyond models.


> Honda and Toyota are two of the extremely few companies that can
> actually build an engine. Ford, Chrysler, GM, Mercedes, and a bunch
> of others just suck. Every Honda I have owned has gone over 100,000
> miles without burning a drop of oil. I have never had an American car
> come even close.

Now it is my turn to wonder what you are doing wrong. I can't remember the
last time I had an engine give me any problems and that includes 5 Fords that
went over 130,000 miles (several way over). My Sister has a very nice Civic,
but it already burns more than a quart of oil in 1000 miles and it is no where
near 100,000 miles. Her old '80 Accord also used more than a little oil also.
It never had the chance to make a 100,000 miles (totaled in an accident).
However, all cars burn oil. Some more than others, but anytime someone says
their car doesn't burn a drop, I suggest that they think about how piston
engines lubricate the pistons and valves.

> I laugh at Cadillac saying 100,000 without a tune up. Sure, but just
> because the plugs are still firing doesn't make up for the 3 quarts of
> oil per mile it burns...

I don't know about Cadillacs, but my 1997 Expedition easily made it to 100,000
with nothing more than regular oil and filter changes. I did change the plugs
at 100,000 miles, but the one I took out looked perfect. Also, I did have to
replace the alternator at around 101,000 miles, but that sure beat the Toyota
I owned that needed a new one every summer.

Ed

 

DTJ wrote:

> some other idiot wrote...
>
> >> I have never driven any car 500,000 miles and find it hard to believe
> >> that a 4Runner has been driven that many miles. However I did once try
> >> to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
>
> Your inability to take care of a vehicle does not an impartial study
> make.

Exactly what do you do to keep relays from failing? How do you keep the stupid
alternator from cooking the internal regulator every summer? What maintenance
do you suggest to keep the A/C from failing? Just how often do you have to
change the transmission fluid in a Toyota transmission to keep it from going
belly up (monthly?)? What treatment would have stopped all the black trim from
fading to white? What should Ii have done to keep the internal plastic from
turning white and cracking in less than 5 years? Is repainting the car routine
maintenance for a Toyota? Did I forget to change the oil in the starter or is
there some sort of magic to keep them going for more than three years? I
don't doubt that someone could drive a 4Runner 500,000 miles, I just doubted
that one had been driven that many miles is the few years they have actually
been available. To be honest I had forgotten about the awful old 2 Door
pick-up based 4Runners Toyota sold in the 80's and was only thinking of the
90's and beyond models.


> Honda and Toyota are two of the extremely few companies that can
> actually build an engine. Ford, Chrysler, GM, Mercedes, and a bunch
> of others just suck. Every Honda I have owned has gone over 100,000
> miles without burning a drop of oil. I have never had an American car
> come even close.

Now it is my turn to wonder what you are doing wrong. I can't remember the
last time I had an engine give me any problems and that includes 5 Fords that
went over 130,000 miles (several way over). My Sister has a very nice Civic,
but it already burns more than a quart of oil in 1000 miles and it is no where
near 100,000 miles. Her old '80 Accord also used more than a little oil also.
It never had the chance to make a 100,000 miles (totaled in an accident).
However, all cars burn oil. Some more than others, but anytime someone says
their car doesn't burn a drop, I suggest that they think about how piston
engines lubricate the pistons and valves.

> I laugh at Cadillac saying 100,000 without a tune up. Sure, but just
> because the plugs are still firing doesn't make up for the 3 quarts of
> oil per mile it burns...

I don't know about Cadillacs, but my 1997 Expedition easily made it to 100,000
with nothing more than regular oil and filter changes. I did change the plugs
at 100,000 miles, but the one I took out looked perfect. Also, I did have to
replace the alternator at around 101,000 miles, but that sure beat the Toyota
I owned that needed a new one every summer.

Ed

 

DTJ wrote:

> some other idiot wrote...
>
> >> I have never driven any car 500,000 miles and find it hard to believe
> >> that a 4Runner has been driven that many miles. However I did once try
> >> to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
>
> Your inability to take care of a vehicle does not an impartial study
> make.

Exactly what do you do to keep relays from failing? How do you keep the stupid
alternator from cooking the internal regulator every summer? What maintenance
do you suggest to keep the A/C from failing? Just how often do you have to
change the transmission fluid in a Toyota transmission to keep it from going
belly up (monthly?)? What treatment would have stopped all the black trim from
fading to white? What should Ii have done to keep the internal plastic from
turning white and cracking in less than 5 years? Is repainting the car routine
maintenance for a Toyota? Did I forget to change the oil in the starter or is
there some sort of magic to keep them going for more than three years? I
don't doubt that someone could drive a 4Runner 500,000 miles, I just doubted
that one had been driven that many miles is the few years they have actually
been available. To be honest I had forgotten about the awful old 2 Door
pick-up based 4Runners Toyota sold in the 80's and was only thinking of the
90's and beyond models.


> Honda and Toyota are two of the extremely few companies that can
> actually build an engine. Ford, Chrysler, GM, Mercedes, and a bunch
> of others just suck. Every Honda I have owned has gone over 100,000
> miles without burning a drop of oil. I have never had an American car
> come even close.

Now it is my turn to wonder what you are doing wrong. I can't remember the
last time I had an engine give me any problems and that includes 5 Fords that
went over 130,000 miles (several way over). My Sister has a very nice Civic,
but it already burns more than a quart of oil in 1000 miles and it is no where
near 100,000 miles. Her old '80 Accord also used more than a little oil also.
It never had the chance to make a 100,000 miles (totaled in an accident).
However, all cars burn oil. Some more than others, but anytime someone says
their car doesn't burn a drop, I suggest that they think about how piston
engines lubricate the pistons and valves.

> I laugh at Cadillac saying 100,000 without a tune up. Sure, but just
> because the plugs are still firing doesn't make up for the 3 quarts of
> oil per mile it burns...

I don't know about Cadillacs, but my 1997 Expedition easily made it to 100,000
with nothing more than regular oil and filter changes. I did change the plugs
at 100,000 miles, but the one I took out looked perfect. Also, I did have to
replace the alternator at around 101,000 miles, but that sure beat the Toyota
I owned that needed a new one every summer.

Ed