C. E. White

Lon Stowell wrote:

> > However I did once try
> > to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
>
> Any owner that can't get 80,000 miles out of pretty much any car
> sold in the last 3 decades shouldn't be allowed near cars in the
> first place. I've gotten over 200K on an old 60's Chev. Just
> takes care.

It less than 80,000 miles we replaced one starter, 3 alternators, 3 relays,
an A/C condenser, several power window switches, 1 paint job, all the black
trim needed replacing, interior plastic turned white, one power antenna, last
straw was transmission (fluid had been changed 3 times in 80,000 miles). It
was a POS from day one. It was the least satisfactory car I ever owned. I
have had less reliable cars, but never one than combined dull looks, horrible
handling, uncomfortable interior, and unreliability all in one horrible
combination. Oh what a feeling. Oh yeah, the engine was still running fine.

Ed

C. E. White

Lon Stowell wrote:

> > However I did once try
> > to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
>
> Any owner that can't get 80,000 miles out of pretty much any car
> sold in the last 3 decades shouldn't be allowed near cars in the
> first place. I've gotten over 200K on an old 60's Chev. Just
> takes care.

It less than 80,000 miles we replaced one starter, 3 alternators, 3 relays,
an A/C condenser, several power window switches, 1 paint job, all the black
trim needed replacing, interior plastic turned white, one power antenna, last
straw was transmission (fluid had been changed 3 times in 80,000 miles). It
was a POS from day one. It was the least satisfactory car I ever owned. I
have had less reliable cars, but never one than combined dull looks, horrible
handling, uncomfortable interior, and unreliability all in one horrible
combination. Oh what a feeling. Oh yeah, the engine was still running fine.

Ed

C. E. White

Lon Stowell wrote:

> > However I did once try
> > to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
>
> Any owner that can't get 80,000 miles out of pretty much any car
> sold in the last 3 decades shouldn't be allowed near cars in the
> first place. I've gotten over 200K on an old 60's Chev. Just
> takes care.

It less than 80,000 miles we replaced one starter, 3 alternators, 3 relays,
an A/C condenser, several power window switches, 1 paint job, all the black
trim needed replacing, interior plastic turned white, one power antenna, last
straw was transmission (fluid had been changed 3 times in 80,000 miles). It
was a POS from day one. It was the least satisfactory car I ever owned. I
have had less reliable cars, but never one than combined dull looks, horrible
handling, uncomfortable interior, and unreliability all in one horrible
combination. Oh what a feeling. Oh yeah, the engine was still running fine.

Ed

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Ed, you wrote, "dull looks, horrible handling, uncomfortable interior"
why do you buy the Toyota in the first place?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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"C. E. White" wrote:
>
> It less than 80,000 miles we replaced one starter, 3 alternators, 3 relays,
> an A/C condenser, several power window switches, 1 paint job, all the black
> trim needed replacing, interior plastic turned white, one power antenna, last
> straw was transmission (fluid had been changed 3 times in 80,000 miles). It
> was a POS from day one. It was the least satisfactory car I ever owned. I
> have had less reliable cars, but never one than combined dull looks, horrible
> handling, uncomfortable interior, and unreliability all in one horrible
> combination. Oh what a feeling. Oh yeah, the engine was still running fine.
>
> Ed

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Ed, you wrote, "dull looks, horrible handling, uncomfortable interior"
why do you buy the Toyota in the first place?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"C. E. White" wrote:
>
> It less than 80,000 miles we replaced one starter, 3 alternators, 3 relays,
> an A/C condenser, several power window switches, 1 paint job, all the black
> trim needed replacing, interior plastic turned white, one power antenna, last
> straw was transmission (fluid had been changed 3 times in 80,000 miles). It
> was a POS from day one. It was the least satisfactory car I ever owned. I
> have had less reliable cars, but never one than combined dull looks, horrible
> handling, uncomfortable interior, and unreliability all in one horrible
> combination. Oh what a feeling. Oh yeah, the engine was still running fine.
>
> Ed

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Ed, you wrote, "dull looks, horrible handling, uncomfortable interior"
why do you buy the Toyota in the first place?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"C. E. White" wrote:
>
> It less than 80,000 miles we replaced one starter, 3 alternators, 3 relays,
> an A/C condenser, several power window switches, 1 paint job, all the black
> trim needed replacing, interior plastic turned white, one power antenna, last
> straw was transmission (fluid had been changed 3 times in 80,000 miles). It
> was a POS from day one. It was the least satisfactory car I ever owned. I
> have had less reliable cars, but never one than combined dull looks, horrible
> handling, uncomfortable interior, and unreliability all in one horrible
> combination. Oh what a feeling. Oh yeah, the engine was still running fine.
>
> Ed

Chris Phillipo

In article <3FC9363C.23429898@mindspring.com>,
cewhite3nospam@mindspring.com says...
>
>
> Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> > > However I did once try
> > > to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
> >
> > Any owner that can't get 80,000 miles out of pretty much any car
> > sold in the last 3 decades shouldn't be allowed near cars in the
> > first place. I've gotten over 200K on an old 60's Chev. Just
> > takes care.
>
> It less than 80,000 miles we replaced one starter, 3 alternators, 3 relays,
> an A/C condenser, several power window switches, 1 paint job, all the black

Just a shot in the dark but it sounds like you mechanic didn't diagnose
the initial charging problem that may have went on to kill all those
things. (except the cosmetics of course)

> trim needed replacing, interior plastic turned white, one power antenna, last
> straw was transmission (fluid had been changed 3 times in 80,000 miles). It
> was a POS from day one. It was the least satisfactory car I ever owned. I
> have had less reliable cars, but never one than combined dull looks, horrible
> handling, uncomfortable interior, and unreliability all in one horrible
> combination. Oh what a feeling. Oh yeah, the engine was still running fine.
>
> Ed
>
>

Are we talking about a 4 runner here or something else? I don't think
I've met the person who had to rebuild a 4 Runner transmission yet.
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Chris Phillipo

In article <3FC9363C.23429898@mindspring.com>,
cewhite3nospam@mindspring.com says...
>
>
> Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> > > However I did once try
> > > to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
> >
> > Any owner that can't get 80,000 miles out of pretty much any car
> > sold in the last 3 decades shouldn't be allowed near cars in the
> > first place. I've gotten over 200K on an old 60's Chev. Just
> > takes care.
>
> It less than 80,000 miles we replaced one starter, 3 alternators, 3 relays,
> an A/C condenser, several power window switches, 1 paint job, all the black

Just a shot in the dark but it sounds like you mechanic didn't diagnose
the initial charging problem that may have went on to kill all those
things. (except the cosmetics of course)

> trim needed replacing, interior plastic turned white, one power antenna, last
> straw was transmission (fluid had been changed 3 times in 80,000 miles). It
> was a POS from day one. It was the least satisfactory car I ever owned. I
> have had less reliable cars, but never one than combined dull looks, horrible
> handling, uncomfortable interior, and unreliability all in one horrible
> combination. Oh what a feeling. Oh yeah, the engine was still running fine.
>
> Ed
>
>

Are we talking about a 4 runner here or something else? I don't think
I've met the person who had to rebuild a 4 Runner transmission yet.
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Chris Phillipo

In article <3FC9363C.23429898@mindspring.com>,
cewhite3nospam@mindspring.com says...
>
>
> Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> > > However I did once try
> > > to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
> >
> > Any owner that can't get 80,000 miles out of pretty much any car
> > sold in the last 3 decades shouldn't be allowed near cars in the
> > first place. I've gotten over 200K on an old 60's Chev. Just
> > takes care.
>
> It less than 80,000 miles we replaced one starter, 3 alternators, 3 relays,
> an A/C condenser, several power window switches, 1 paint job, all the black

Just a shot in the dark but it sounds like you mechanic didn't diagnose
the initial charging problem that may have went on to kill all those
things. (except the cosmetics of course)

> trim needed replacing, interior plastic turned white, one power antenna, last
> straw was transmission (fluid had been changed 3 times in 80,000 miles). It
> was a POS from day one. It was the least satisfactory car I ever owned. I
> have had less reliable cars, but never one than combined dull looks, horrible
> handling, uncomfortable interior, and unreliability all in one horrible
> combination. Oh what a feeling. Oh yeah, the engine was still running fine.
>
> Ed
>
>

Are we talking about a 4 runner here or something else? I don't think
I've met the person who had to rebuild a 4 Runner transmission yet.
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C. E. White

Chris Phillipo wrote:
>
> In article <3FC9363C.23429898@mindspring.com>,
> cewhite3nospam@mindspring.com says...
> >
> >
> > Lon Stowell wrote:
> >
> > > > However I did once try
> > > > to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
> > >
> > > Any owner that can't get 80,000 miles out of pretty much any car
> > > sold in the last 3 decades shouldn't be allowed near cars in the
> > > first place. I've gotten over 200K on an old 60's Chev. Just
> > > takes care.
> >
> > It less than 80,000 miles we replaced one starter, 3 alternators, 3 relays,
> > an A/C condenser, several power window switches, 1 paint job, all the black
>
> Just a shot in the dark but it sounds like you mechanic didn't diagnose
> the initial charging problem that may have went on to kill all those
> things. (except the cosmetics of course)

The problem was a crappy design. Toyota wedged the alternator next to
exhaust manifold in an area with virtually no air flow. As long as the
ex worked, we had no problems. When she worked, She only drove
realitively long distances in relatively cool weather. As soon as she
became a stay at home Mom, the alternator failed every August - always
in the middle of the day while she was poking around town. Replacement
alternators were hard to find. The generous folks at Toyota only sold
new $500+ replacements. None of the local parts stores listed a rebuild.
Finally I took it to a local rebuilder. He took one look at and without
me saying a word told me what car it came off of and why it was failing.
He also said it was very common. You want to hear about the crappy
starter? Another 500+ Toyota only part. The contact in the solenoid
burned out. The alternator rebuilder knew all about those also. He
carried the parts to fix them. The stupid A/C condensor just started
leaking for no apparent reason. The window switches just disassembled
themselves. It was a rolling pile of crap as far as I was concerned.

> Are we talking about a 4 runner here or something else? I don't think
> I've met the person who had to rebuild a 4 Runner transmission yet.

No it was a Cressida. An overpriced piece of junk.

Ed