Chris Phillipo wrote:
>
> In article <3FC9363C.23429898@mindspring.com>,
> cewhite3nospam@mindspring.com says...
> >
> >
> > Lon Stowell wrote:
> >
> > > > However I did once try
> > > > to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
> > >
> > > Any owner that can't get 80,000 miles out of pretty much any car
> > > sold in the last 3 decades shouldn't be allowed near cars in the
> > > first place. I've gotten over 200K on an old 60's Chev. Just
> > > takes care.
> >
> > It less than 80,000 miles we replaced one starter, 3 alternators, 3 relays,
> > an A/C condenser, several power window switches, 1 paint job, all the black
>
> Just a shot in the dark but it sounds like you mechanic didn't diagnose
> the initial charging problem that may have went on to kill all those
> things. (except the cosmetics of course)

The problem was a crappy design. Toyota wedged the alternator next to
exhaust manifold in an area with virtually no air flow. As long as the
ex worked, we had no problems. When she worked, She only drove
realitively long distances in relatively cool weather. As soon as she
became a stay at home Mom, the alternator failed every August - always
in the middle of the day while she was poking around town. Replacement
alternators were hard to find. The generous folks at Toyota only sold
new $500+ replacements. None of the local parts stores listed a rebuild.
Finally I took it to a local rebuilder. He took one look at and without
me saying a word told me what car it came off of and why it was failing.
He also said it was very common. You want to hear about the crappy
starter? Another 500+ Toyota only part. The contact in the solenoid
burned out. The alternator rebuilder knew all about those also. He
carried the parts to fix them. The stupid A/C condensor just started
leaking for no apparent reason. The window switches just disassembled
themselves. It was a rolling pile of crap as far as I was concerned.

> Are we talking about a 4 runner here or something else? I don't think
> I've met the person who had to rebuild a 4 Runner transmission yet.

No it was a Cressida. An overpriced piece of junk.

Ed

 

Chris Phillipo wrote:
>
> In article <3FC9363C.23429898@mindspring.com>,
> cewhite3nospam@mindspring.com says...
> >
> >
> > Lon Stowell wrote:
> >
> > > > However I did once try
> > > > to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
> > >
> > > Any owner that can't get 80,000 miles out of pretty much any car
> > > sold in the last 3 decades shouldn't be allowed near cars in the
> > > first place. I've gotten over 200K on an old 60's Chev. Just
> > > takes care.
> >
> > It less than 80,000 miles we replaced one starter, 3 alternators, 3 relays,
> > an A/C condenser, several power window switches, 1 paint job, all the black
>
> Just a shot in the dark but it sounds like you mechanic didn't diagnose
> the initial charging problem that may have went on to kill all those
> things. (except the cosmetics of course)

The problem was a crappy design. Toyota wedged the alternator next to
exhaust manifold in an area with virtually no air flow. As long as the
ex worked, we had no problems. When she worked, She only drove
realitively long distances in relatively cool weather. As soon as she
became a stay at home Mom, the alternator failed every August - always
in the middle of the day while she was poking around town. Replacement
alternators were hard to find. The generous folks at Toyota only sold
new $500+ replacements. None of the local parts stores listed a rebuild.
Finally I took it to a local rebuilder. He took one look at and without
me saying a word told me what car it came off of and why it was failing.
He also said it was very common. You want to hear about the crappy
starter? Another 500+ Toyota only part. The contact in the solenoid
burned out. The alternator rebuilder knew all about those also. He
carried the parts to fix them. The stupid A/C condensor just started
leaking for no apparent reason. The window switches just disassembled
themselves. It was a rolling pile of crap as far as I was concerned.

> Are we talking about a 4 runner here or something else? I don't think
> I've met the person who had to rebuild a 4 Runner transmission yet.

No it was a Cressida. An overpriced piece of junk.

Ed

 

Troll.


On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 21:02:49 GMT, DTJ <dtj@comcast.net> wrote:

>some other idiot wrote...
>
>>> I have never driven any car 500,000 miles and find it hard to believe
>>> that a 4Runner has been driven that many miles. However I did once try
>>> to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
>
>Your inability to take care of a vehicle does not an impartial study
>make.
>
>
>On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:07:44 -0400, Chris Phillipo
><Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>I know someone with an 88 that has 430,000 km on it, it works great but
>>there is virtually none of the original body left on it. Mine only has
>>140,000 km on it, it's a 93 and to people who don't know how to
>>differentiate model years it looks like it's only 3 or 4 years old. Of
>>course I've had it painted a few times and the head gasket went on it
>>once but other than those few major expensive its been basically put gas
>>in it and drive. I hope to god I don't have it for 400,000 km though,
>>I'm pretty bored with it now actually.
>
>Honda and Toyota are two of the extremely few companies that can
>actually build an engine. Ford, Chrysler, GM, Mercedes, and a bunch
>of others just suck. Every Honda I have owned has gone over 100,000
>miles without burning a drop of oil. I have never had an American car
>come even close.
>
>I laugh at Cadillac saying 100,000 without a tune up. Sure, but just
>because the plugs are still firing doesn't make up for the 3 quarts of
>oil per mile it burns...

 

Troll.


On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 21:02:49 GMT, DTJ <dtj@comcast.net> wrote:

>some other idiot wrote...
>
>>> I have never driven any car 500,000 miles and find it hard to believe
>>> that a 4Runner has been driven that many miles. However I did once try
>>> to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
>
>Your inability to take care of a vehicle does not an impartial study
>make.
>
>
>On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:07:44 -0400, Chris Phillipo
><Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>I know someone with an 88 that has 430,000 km on it, it works great but
>>there is virtually none of the original body left on it. Mine only has
>>140,000 km on it, it's a 93 and to people who don't know how to
>>differentiate model years it looks like it's only 3 or 4 years old. Of
>>course I've had it painted a few times and the head gasket went on it
>>once but other than those few major expensive its been basically put gas
>>in it and drive. I hope to god I don't have it for 400,000 km though,
>>I'm pretty bored with it now actually.
>
>Honda and Toyota are two of the extremely few companies that can
>actually build an engine. Ford, Chrysler, GM, Mercedes, and a bunch
>of others just suck. Every Honda I have owned has gone over 100,000
>miles without burning a drop of oil. I have never had an American car
>come even close.
>
>I laugh at Cadillac saying 100,000 without a tune up. Sure, but just
>because the plugs are still firing doesn't make up for the 3 quarts of
>oil per mile it burns...

 

Troll.


On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 21:02:49 GMT, DTJ <dtj@comcast.net> wrote:

>some other idiot wrote...
>
>>> I have never driven any car 500,000 miles and find it hard to believe
>>> that a 4Runner has been driven that many miles. However I did once try
>>> to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
>
>Your inability to take care of a vehicle does not an impartial study
>make.
>
>
>On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:07:44 -0400, Chris Phillipo
><Xcphillipo@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>I know someone with an 88 that has 430,000 km on it, it works great but
>>there is virtually none of the original body left on it. Mine only has
>>140,000 km on it, it's a 93 and to people who don't know how to
>>differentiate model years it looks like it's only 3 or 4 years old. Of
>>course I've had it painted a few times and the head gasket went on it
>>once but other than those few major expensive its been basically put gas
>>in it and drive. I hope to god I don't have it for 400,000 km though,
>>I'm pretty bored with it now actually.
>
>Honda and Toyota are two of the extremely few companies that can
>actually build an engine. Ford, Chrysler, GM, Mercedes, and a bunch
>of others just suck. Every Honda I have owned has gone over 100,000
>miles without burning a drop of oil. I have never had an American car
>come even close.
>
>I laugh at Cadillac saying 100,000 without a tune up. Sure, but just
>because the plugs are still firing doesn't make up for the 3 quarts of
>oil per mile it burns...

 

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 04:00:01 GMT, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3nospam@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Chris Phillipo wrote:
>>
>> In article <3FC9363C.23429898@mindspring.com>,
>> cewhite3nospam@mindspring.com says...
>> >
>> >
>> > Lon Stowell wrote:
>> >
>> > > > However I did once try
>> > > > to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
>> > >
>> > > Any owner that can't get 80,000 miles out of pretty much any car
>> > > sold in the last 3 decades shouldn't be allowed near cars in the
>> > > first place. I've gotten over 200K on an old 60's Chev. Just
>> > > takes care.
>> >
>> > It less than 80,000 miles we replaced one starter, 3 alternators, 3 relays,
>> > an A/C condenser, several power window switches, 1 paint job, all the black
>>
>> Just a shot in the dark but it sounds like you mechanic didn't diagnose
>> the initial charging problem that may have went on to kill all those
>> things. (except the cosmetics of course)
>
>The problem was a crappy design. Toyota wedged the alternator next to
>exhaust manifold in an area with virtually no air flow. As long as the
>ex worked, we had no problems. When she worked, She only drove
>realitively long distances in relatively cool weather. As soon as she
>became a stay at home Mom, the alternator failed every August - always
>in the middle of the day while she was poking around town. Replacement
>alternators were hard to find. The generous folks at Toyota only sold
>new $500+ replacements. None of the local parts stores listed a rebuild.
>Finally I took it to a local rebuilder. He took one look at and without
>me saying a word told me what car it came off of and why it was failing.
>He also said it was very common. You want to hear about the crappy
>starter? Another 500+ Toyota only part. The contact in the solenoid
>burned out. The alternator rebuilder knew all about those also. He
>carried the parts to fix them. The stupid A/C condensor just started
>leaking for no apparent reason. The window switches just disassembled
>themselves. It was a rolling pile of crap as far as I was concerned.
>
>> Are we talking about a 4 runner here or something else? I don't think
>> I've met the person who had to rebuild a 4 Runner transmission yet.
>
>No it was a Cressida. An overpriced piece of junk.
>
>Ed



People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.

 

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 04:00:01 GMT, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3nospam@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Chris Phillipo wrote:
>>
>> In article <3FC9363C.23429898@mindspring.com>,
>> cewhite3nospam@mindspring.com says...
>> >
>> >
>> > Lon Stowell wrote:
>> >
>> > > > However I did once try
>> > > > to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
>> > >
>> > > Any owner that can't get 80,000 miles out of pretty much any car
>> > > sold in the last 3 decades shouldn't be allowed near cars in the
>> > > first place. I've gotten over 200K on an old 60's Chev. Just
>> > > takes care.
>> >
>> > It less than 80,000 miles we replaced one starter, 3 alternators, 3 relays,
>> > an A/C condenser, several power window switches, 1 paint job, all the black
>>
>> Just a shot in the dark but it sounds like you mechanic didn't diagnose
>> the initial charging problem that may have went on to kill all those
>> things. (except the cosmetics of course)
>
>The problem was a crappy design. Toyota wedged the alternator next to
>exhaust manifold in an area with virtually no air flow. As long as the
>ex worked, we had no problems. When she worked, She only drove
>realitively long distances in relatively cool weather. As soon as she
>became a stay at home Mom, the alternator failed every August - always
>in the middle of the day while she was poking around town. Replacement
>alternators were hard to find. The generous folks at Toyota only sold
>new $500+ replacements. None of the local parts stores listed a rebuild.
>Finally I took it to a local rebuilder. He took one look at and without
>me saying a word told me what car it came off of and why it was failing.
>He also said it was very common. You want to hear about the crappy
>starter? Another 500+ Toyota only part. The contact in the solenoid
>burned out. The alternator rebuilder knew all about those also. He
>carried the parts to fix them. The stupid A/C condensor just started
>leaking for no apparent reason. The window switches just disassembled
>themselves. It was a rolling pile of crap as far as I was concerned.
>
>> Are we talking about a 4 runner here or something else? I don't think
>> I've met the person who had to rebuild a 4 Runner transmission yet.
>
>No it was a Cressida. An overpriced piece of junk.
>
>Ed



People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.

 

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 04:00:01 GMT, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3nospam@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Chris Phillipo wrote:
>>
>> In article <3FC9363C.23429898@mindspring.com>,
>> cewhite3nospam@mindspring.com says...
>> >
>> >
>> > Lon Stowell wrote:
>> >
>> > > > However I did once try
>> > > > to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
>> > >
>> > > Any owner that can't get 80,000 miles out of pretty much any car
>> > > sold in the last 3 decades shouldn't be allowed near cars in the
>> > > first place. I've gotten over 200K on an old 60's Chev. Just
>> > > takes care.
>> >
>> > It less than 80,000 miles we replaced one starter, 3 alternators, 3 relays,
>> > an A/C condenser, several power window switches, 1 paint job, all the black
>>
>> Just a shot in the dark but it sounds like you mechanic didn't diagnose
>> the initial charging problem that may have went on to kill all those
>> things. (except the cosmetics of course)
>
>The problem was a crappy design. Toyota wedged the alternator next to
>exhaust manifold in an area with virtually no air flow. As long as the
>ex worked, we had no problems. When she worked, She only drove
>realitively long distances in relatively cool weather. As soon as she
>became a stay at home Mom, the alternator failed every August - always
>in the middle of the day while she was poking around town. Replacement
>alternators were hard to find. The generous folks at Toyota only sold
>new $500+ replacements. None of the local parts stores listed a rebuild.
>Finally I took it to a local rebuilder. He took one look at and without
>me saying a word told me what car it came off of and why it was failing.
>He also said it was very common. You want to hear about the crappy
>starter? Another 500+ Toyota only part. The contact in the solenoid
>burned out. The alternator rebuilder knew all about those also. He
>carried the parts to fix them. The stupid A/C condensor just started
>leaking for no apparent reason. The window switches just disassembled
>themselves. It was a rolling pile of crap as far as I was concerned.
>
>> Are we talking about a 4 runner here or something else? I don't think
>> I've met the person who had to rebuild a 4 Runner transmission yet.
>
>No it was a Cressida. An overpriced piece of junk.
>
>Ed



People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.

 

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:27:53 GMT, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3nospam@mindspring.com> wrote:

>
>
>DTJ wrote:
>
>> some other idiot wrote...
>>
>> >> I have never driven any car 500,000 miles and find it hard to believe
>> >> that a 4Runner has been driven that many miles. However I did once try
>> >> to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
>>
>> Your inability to take care of a vehicle does not an impartial study
>> make.
>
>Exactly what do you do to keep relays from failing? How do you keep the stupid
>alternator from cooking the internal regulator every summer? What maintenance
>do you suggest to keep the A/C from failing? Just how often do you have to
>change the transmission fluid in a Toyota transmission to keep it from going
>belly up (monthly?)? What treatment would have stopped all the black trim from
>fading to white? What should Ii have done to keep the internal plastic from
>turning white and cracking in less than 5 years? Is repainting the car routine
>maintenance for a Toyota? Did I forget to change the oil in the starter or is
>there some sort of magic to keep them going for more than three years? I
>don't doubt that someone could drive a 4Runner 500,000 miles, I just doubted
>that one had been driven that many miles is the few years they have actually
>been available. To be honest I had forgotten about the awful old 2 Door
>pick-up based 4Runners Toyota sold in the 80's and was only thinking of the
>90's and beyond models.

I understand now - you thought you bought a Toyota, but it really was
a Ford.

>> Honda and Toyota are two of the extremely few companies that can
>> actually build an engine. Ford, Chrysler, GM, Mercedes, and a bunch
>> of others just suck. Every Honda I have owned has gone over 100,000
>> miles without burning a drop of oil. I have never had an American car
>> come even close.
>Now it is my turn to wonder what you are doing wrong. I can't remember the
>last time I had an engine give me any problems and that includes 5 Fords that
>went over 130,000 miles (several way over). My Sister has a very nice Civic,
>but it already burns more than a quart of oil in 1000 miles and it is no where
>near 100,000 miles. Her old '80 Accord also used more than a little oil also.
>It never had the chance to make a 100,000 miles (totaled in an accident).
>However, all cars burn oil. Some more than others, but anytime someone says
>their car doesn't burn a drop, I suggest that they think about how piston
>engines lubricate the pistons and valves.

You obviously are a liar and a troll. Nobody on the planet believes
that you could possibly have owned the 5 Fords made since 1900 that
actually were well made.

>> I laugh at Cadillac saying 100,000 without a tune up. Sure, but just
>> because the plugs are still firing doesn't make up for the 3 quarts of
>> oil per mile it burns...
>
>I don't know about Cadillacs, but my 1997 Expedition easily made it to 100,000
>with nothing more than regular oil and filter changes. I did change the plugs
>at 100,000 miles, but the one I took out looked perfect. Also, I did have to
>replace the alternator at around 101,000 miles, but that sure beat the Toyota
>I owned that needed a new one every summer.

Now we know you are lying. First, you say you changed the "plugs",
then you say the "one you took out" looked perfect, which anybody who
has ever changed a plug knows is --------.

Go back to troll land moron.

 

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:27:53 GMT, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3nospam@mindspring.com> wrote:

>
>
>DTJ wrote:
>
>> some other idiot wrote...
>>
>> >> I have never driven any car 500,000 miles and find it hard to believe
>> >> that a 4Runner has been driven that many miles. However I did once try
>> >> to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
>>
>> Your inability to take care of a vehicle does not an impartial study
>> make.
>
>Exactly what do you do to keep relays from failing? How do you keep the stupid
>alternator from cooking the internal regulator every summer? What maintenance
>do you suggest to keep the A/C from failing? Just how often do you have to
>change the transmission fluid in a Toyota transmission to keep it from going
>belly up (monthly?)? What treatment would have stopped all the black trim from
>fading to white? What should Ii have done to keep the internal plastic from
>turning white and cracking in less than 5 years? Is repainting the car routine
>maintenance for a Toyota? Did I forget to change the oil in the starter or is
>there some sort of magic to keep them going for more than three years? I
>don't doubt that someone could drive a 4Runner 500,000 miles, I just doubted
>that one had been driven that many miles is the few years they have actually
>been available. To be honest I had forgotten about the awful old 2 Door
>pick-up based 4Runners Toyota sold in the 80's and was only thinking of the
>90's and beyond models.

I understand now - you thought you bought a Toyota, but it really was
a Ford.

>> Honda and Toyota are two of the extremely few companies that can
>> actually build an engine. Ford, Chrysler, GM, Mercedes, and a bunch
>> of others just suck. Every Honda I have owned has gone over 100,000
>> miles without burning a drop of oil. I have never had an American car
>> come even close.
>Now it is my turn to wonder what you are doing wrong. I can't remember the
>last time I had an engine give me any problems and that includes 5 Fords that
>went over 130,000 miles (several way over). My Sister has a very nice Civic,
>but it already burns more than a quart of oil in 1000 miles and it is no where
>near 100,000 miles. Her old '80 Accord also used more than a little oil also.
>It never had the chance to make a 100,000 miles (totaled in an accident).
>However, all cars burn oil. Some more than others, but anytime someone says
>their car doesn't burn a drop, I suggest that they think about how piston
>engines lubricate the pistons and valves.

You obviously are a liar and a troll. Nobody on the planet believes
that you could possibly have owned the 5 Fords made since 1900 that
actually were well made.

>> I laugh at Cadillac saying 100,000 without a tune up. Sure, but just
>> because the plugs are still firing doesn't make up for the 3 quarts of
>> oil per mile it burns...
>
>I don't know about Cadillacs, but my 1997 Expedition easily made it to 100,000
>with nothing more than regular oil and filter changes. I did change the plugs
>at 100,000 miles, but the one I took out looked perfect. Also, I did have to
>replace the alternator at around 101,000 miles, but that sure beat the Toyota
>I owned that needed a new one every summer.

Now we know you are lying. First, you say you changed the "plugs",
then you say the "one you took out" looked perfect, which anybody who
has ever changed a plug knows is --------.

Go back to troll land moron.