Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
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In article <3FCB6233.9737DBFF@mindspring.com>, cewhite3@mindspring.com
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> Chris Phillipo wrote:
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> > > >
> > >
> > > So you paid over $30,000 for a car over 10 years ago and you think that
> > > $500 would be a bit much for an alternator or starter on a car in the
> > > same class as the BMW 5 series? Let me let you in on a few secrets. AC
> > > systems fail, they fail on 5 day old cars, they fail on 5 year old cars.
> > > Second, if you have an exhaust heat problem, fixing the symptoms is not
> > > going to fix the problem. You either had a bad heat shield or a rich
> >
> > Opps, that should read "lean running condition".
>
> I have no reason to think the exhaust was running hot. It was fuel injected
> car. The placement of the alternator was just plain stupid. I don't know what
Next to the engine, what a silly place to put an alternator. Much like
my 10 year old start that's under the exhaust manifold I guess.
> the fact that the car cost $20,000+ has to do with the cost of the starter or
Expensive parts are what make a car expensive. Get it?
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> Chris Phillipo wrote:
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> > > >
> > >
> > > So you paid over $30,000 for a car over 10 years ago and you think that
> > > $500 would be a bit much for an alternator or starter on a car in the
> > > same class as the BMW 5 series? Let me let you in on a few secrets. AC
> > > systems fail, they fail on 5 day old cars, they fail on 5 year old cars.
> > > Second, if you have an exhaust heat problem, fixing the symptoms is not
> > > going to fix the problem. You either had a bad heat shield or a rich
> >
> > Opps, that should read "lean running condition".
>
> I have no reason to think the exhaust was running hot. It was fuel injected
> car. The placement of the alternator was just plain stupid. I don't know what
Next to the engine, what a silly place to put an alternator. Much like
my 10 year old start that's under the exhaust manifold I guess.
> the fact that the car cost $20,000+ has to do with the cost of the starter or
Expensive parts are what make a car expensive. Get it?
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In article <3FCB6233.9737DBFF@mindspring.com>, cewhite3@mindspring.com
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> Chris Phillipo wrote:
>
> > > >
> > >
> > > So you paid over $30,000 for a car over 10 years ago and you think that
> > > $500 would be a bit much for an alternator or starter on a car in the
> > > same class as the BMW 5 series? Let me let you in on a few secrets. AC
> > > systems fail, they fail on 5 day old cars, they fail on 5 year old cars.
> > > Second, if you have an exhaust heat problem, fixing the symptoms is not
> > > going to fix the problem. You either had a bad heat shield or a rich
> >
> > Opps, that should read "lean running condition".
>
> I have no reason to think the exhaust was running hot. It was fuel injected
> car. The placement of the alternator was just plain stupid. I don't know what
Next to the engine, what a silly place to put an alternator. Much like
my 10 year old start that's under the exhaust manifold I guess.
> the fact that the car cost $20,000+ has to do with the cost of the starter or
Expensive parts are what make a car expensive. Get it?
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> Chris Phillipo wrote:
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> > > >
> > >
> > > So you paid over $30,000 for a car over 10 years ago and you think that
> > > $500 would be a bit much for an alternator or starter on a car in the
> > > same class as the BMW 5 series? Let me let you in on a few secrets. AC
> > > systems fail, they fail on 5 day old cars, they fail on 5 year old cars.
> > > Second, if you have an exhaust heat problem, fixing the symptoms is not
> > > going to fix the problem. You either had a bad heat shield or a rich
> >
> > Opps, that should read "lean running condition".
>
> I have no reason to think the exhaust was running hot. It was fuel injected
> car. The placement of the alternator was just plain stupid. I don't know what
Next to the engine, what a silly place to put an alternator. Much like
my 10 year old start that's under the exhaust manifold I guess.
> the fact that the car cost $20,000+ has to do with the cost of the starter or
Expensive parts are what make a car expensive. Get it?
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In article <3FCB6233.9737DBFF@mindspring.com>, cewhite3@mindspring.com
says...
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>
> Chris Phillipo wrote:
>
> > > >
> > >
> > > So you paid over $30,000 for a car over 10 years ago and you think that
> > > $500 would be a bit much for an alternator or starter on a car in the
> > > same class as the BMW 5 series? Let me let you in on a few secrets. AC
> > > systems fail, they fail on 5 day old cars, they fail on 5 year old cars.
> > > Second, if you have an exhaust heat problem, fixing the symptoms is not
> > > going to fix the problem. You either had a bad heat shield or a rich
> >
> > Opps, that should read "lean running condition".
>
> I have no reason to think the exhaust was running hot. It was fuel injected
> car. The placement of the alternator was just plain stupid. I don't know what
Next to the engine, what a silly place to put an alternator. Much like
my 10 year old start that's under the exhaust manifold I guess.
> the fact that the car cost $20,000+ has to do with the cost of the starter or
Expensive parts are what make a car expensive. Get it?
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> Chris Phillipo wrote:
>
> > > >
> > >
> > > So you paid over $30,000 for a car over 10 years ago and you think that
> > > $500 would be a bit much for an alternator or starter on a car in the
> > > same class as the BMW 5 series? Let me let you in on a few secrets. AC
> > > systems fail, they fail on 5 day old cars, they fail on 5 year old cars.
> > > Second, if you have an exhaust heat problem, fixing the symptoms is not
> > > going to fix the problem. You either had a bad heat shield or a rich
> >
> > Opps, that should read "lean running condition".
>
> I have no reason to think the exhaust was running hot. It was fuel injected
> car. The placement of the alternator was just plain stupid. I don't know what
Next to the engine, what a silly place to put an alternator. Much like
my 10 year old start that's under the exhaust manifold I guess.
> the fact that the car cost $20,000+ has to do with the cost of the starter or
Expensive parts are what make a car expensive. Get it?
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:32:42 -0500, "Douglas A. Shrader"
<dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
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>"DTJ" <dtj@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:ibiksvcve6ogkqeb2fhfe1gao1olln5kme@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
>. On the other hand,
>> EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>> miles.
>
>You call the others liers and then make a statement like this.
Sure, why not. Of course, you could ask WHY they cost me that much,
and how many I owned that did. Sort of like the ------- claiming his
Toyota was the biggest piece of ---- on the road, but not mentioning
that he bought it from a group of 18-year olds who used it to race off
road, never changed the oil, and frequently cleared all 4 wheels off
the ground...
<dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
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>"DTJ" <dtj@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:ibiksvcve6ogkqeb2fhfe1gao1olln5kme@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
>. On the other hand,
>> EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>> miles.
>
>You call the others liers and then make a statement like this.
Sure, why not. Of course, you could ask WHY they cost me that much,
and how many I owned that did. Sort of like the ------- claiming his
Toyota was the biggest piece of ---- on the road, but not mentioning
that he bought it from a group of 18-year olds who used it to race off
road, never changed the oil, and frequently cleared all 4 wheels off
the ground...
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:32:42 -0500, "Douglas A. Shrader"
<dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
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>"DTJ" <dtj@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:ibiksvcve6ogkqeb2fhfe1gao1olln5kme@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
>. On the other hand,
>> EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>> miles.
>
>You call the others liers and then make a statement like this.
Sure, why not. Of course, you could ask WHY they cost me that much,
and how many I owned that did. Sort of like the ------- claiming his
Toyota was the biggest piece of ---- on the road, but not mentioning
that he bought it from a group of 18-year olds who used it to race off
road, never changed the oil, and frequently cleared all 4 wheels off
the ground...
<dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>"DTJ" <dtj@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:ibiksvcve6ogkqeb2fhfe1gao1olln5kme@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
>. On the other hand,
>> EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>> miles.
>
>You call the others liers and then make a statement like this.
Sure, why not. Of course, you could ask WHY they cost me that much,
and how many I owned that did. Sort of like the ------- claiming his
Toyota was the biggest piece of ---- on the road, but not mentioning
that he bought it from a group of 18-year olds who used it to race off
road, never changed the oil, and frequently cleared all 4 wheels off
the ground...
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:32:42 -0500, "Douglas A. Shrader"
<dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>"DTJ" <dtj@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:ibiksvcve6ogkqeb2fhfe1gao1olln5kme@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
>. On the other hand,
>> EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>> miles.
>
>You call the others liers and then make a statement like this.
Sure, why not. Of course, you could ask WHY they cost me that much,
and how many I owned that did. Sort of like the ------- claiming his
Toyota was the biggest piece of ---- on the road, but not mentioning
that he bought it from a group of 18-year olds who used it to race off
road, never changed the oil, and frequently cleared all 4 wheels off
the ground...
<dshrader@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>"DTJ" <dtj@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:ibiksvcve6ogkqeb2fhfe1gao1olln5kme@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
>. On the other hand,
>> EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>> miles.
>
>You call the others liers and then make a statement like this.
Sure, why not. Of course, you could ask WHY they cost me that much,
and how many I owned that did. Sort of like the ------- claiming his
Toyota was the biggest piece of ---- on the road, but not mentioning
that he bought it from a group of 18-year olds who used it to race off
road, never changed the oil, and frequently cleared all 4 wheels off
the ground...
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:48:00 -0800, Garth Almgren <nospam@v6stang.com>
wrote:
>>>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>>>miles.
>> You call the others liers and then make a statement like this.
>Seriously. That's either a case of neglect, or just plain bad luck.
Neither. I am just playing the same word games ------- was.
Let's see - purchase car for $5000, drive it 20,000 miles, spend $1000
on repairs, sell for $1000 3 years later - total cost = $5000 for
20,000 miles.
It comes down to statistics, really. ------- buys Toyota for whatever
price, with whatever miles on it, got something that wasn't taken care
of. Then goes on to complain that in spite of his not maintaining it,
the vehicle failed. Gee I wonder why.
Now, why have all my Honda's done so well? Simple. Bought NEW, with
LESS THAN 10 miles on them. Dealer never had a chance to ---- them
up. Took care of them. Pretty simple, huh?
wrote:
>>>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>>>miles.
>> You call the others liers and then make a statement like this.
>Seriously. That's either a case of neglect, or just plain bad luck.
Neither. I am just playing the same word games ------- was.
Let's see - purchase car for $5000, drive it 20,000 miles, spend $1000
on repairs, sell for $1000 3 years later - total cost = $5000 for
20,000 miles.
It comes down to statistics, really. ------- buys Toyota for whatever
price, with whatever miles on it, got something that wasn't taken care
of. Then goes on to complain that in spite of his not maintaining it,
the vehicle failed. Gee I wonder why.
Now, why have all my Honda's done so well? Simple. Bought NEW, with
LESS THAN 10 miles on them. Dealer never had a chance to ---- them
up. Took care of them. Pretty simple, huh?
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:48:00 -0800, Garth Almgren <nospam@v6stang.com>
wrote:
>>>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>>>miles.
>> You call the others liers and then make a statement like this.
>Seriously. That's either a case of neglect, or just plain bad luck.
Neither. I am just playing the same word games ------- was.
Let's see - purchase car for $5000, drive it 20,000 miles, spend $1000
on repairs, sell for $1000 3 years later - total cost = $5000 for
20,000 miles.
It comes down to statistics, really. ------- buys Toyota for whatever
price, with whatever miles on it, got something that wasn't taken care
of. Then goes on to complain that in spite of his not maintaining it,
the vehicle failed. Gee I wonder why.
Now, why have all my Honda's done so well? Simple. Bought NEW, with
LESS THAN 10 miles on them. Dealer never had a chance to ---- them
up. Took care of them. Pretty simple, huh?
wrote:
>>>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>>>miles.
>> You call the others liers and then make a statement like this.
>Seriously. That's either a case of neglect, or just plain bad luck.
Neither. I am just playing the same word games ------- was.
Let's see - purchase car for $5000, drive it 20,000 miles, spend $1000
on repairs, sell for $1000 3 years later - total cost = $5000 for
20,000 miles.
It comes down to statistics, really. ------- buys Toyota for whatever
price, with whatever miles on it, got something that wasn't taken care
of. Then goes on to complain that in spite of his not maintaining it,
the vehicle failed. Gee I wonder why.
Now, why have all my Honda's done so well? Simple. Bought NEW, with
LESS THAN 10 miles on them. Dealer never had a chance to ---- them
up. Took care of them. Pretty simple, huh?
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 17:48:00 -0800, Garth Almgren <nospam@v6stang.com>
wrote:
>>>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>>>miles.
>> You call the others liers and then make a statement like this.
>Seriously. That's either a case of neglect, or just plain bad luck.
Neither. I am just playing the same word games ------- was.
Let's see - purchase car for $5000, drive it 20,000 miles, spend $1000
on repairs, sell for $1000 3 years later - total cost = $5000 for
20,000 miles.
It comes down to statistics, really. ------- buys Toyota for whatever
price, with whatever miles on it, got something that wasn't taken care
of. Then goes on to complain that in spite of his not maintaining it,
the vehicle failed. Gee I wonder why.
Now, why have all my Honda's done so well? Simple. Bought NEW, with
LESS THAN 10 miles on them. Dealer never had a chance to ---- them
up. Took care of them. Pretty simple, huh?
wrote:
>>>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>>>miles.
>> You call the others liers and then make a statement like this.
>Seriously. That's either a case of neglect, or just plain bad luck.
Neither. I am just playing the same word games ------- was.
Let's see - purchase car for $5000, drive it 20,000 miles, spend $1000
on repairs, sell for $1000 3 years later - total cost = $5000 for
20,000 miles.
It comes down to statistics, really. ------- buys Toyota for whatever
price, with whatever miles on it, got something that wasn't taken care
of. Then goes on to complain that in spite of his not maintaining it,
the vehicle failed. Gee I wonder why.
Now, why have all my Honda's done so well? Simple. Bought NEW, with
LESS THAN 10 miles on them. Dealer never had a chance to ---- them
up. Took care of them. Pretty simple, huh?
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:35:54 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:00:21 GMT, DTJ <dtj@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Really. You are indeed the consummate -------. Only an ------- like
>you would pay $20,000 for a vehicle and then another $25,000 to
>maintain it. I think your own statements prove you are a dickless
>Troll.
Oh my, you really hurt me with that one. I don't know whether it hurt
worse to have you make up how much I paid for something, or to realize
you have ----- envy.
wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:00:21 GMT, DTJ <dtj@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Really. You are indeed the consummate -------. Only an ------- like
>you would pay $20,000 for a vehicle and then another $25,000 to
>maintain it. I think your own statements prove you are a dickless
>Troll.
Oh my, you really hurt me with that one. I don't know whether it hurt
worse to have you make up how much I paid for something, or to realize
you have ----- envy.


