Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 23:27:53 GMT, "C. E. White"
<cewhite3nospam@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>DTJ wrote:
>
>> some other idiot wrote...
>>
>> >> I have never driven any car 500,000 miles and find it hard to believe
>> >> that a 4Runner has been driven that many miles. However I did once try
>> >> to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
>>
>> Your inability to take care of a vehicle does not an impartial study
>> make.
>
>Exactly what do you do to keep relays from failing? How do you keep the stupid
>alternator from cooking the internal regulator every summer? What maintenance
>do you suggest to keep the A/C from failing? Just how often do you have to
>change the transmission fluid in a Toyota transmission to keep it from going
>belly up (monthly?)? What treatment would have stopped all the black trim from
>fading to white? What should Ii have done to keep the internal plastic from
>turning white and cracking in less than 5 years? Is repainting the car routine
>maintenance for a Toyota? Did I forget to change the oil in the starter or is
>there some sort of magic to keep them going for more than three years? I
>don't doubt that someone could drive a 4Runner 500,000 miles, I just doubted
>that one had been driven that many miles is the few years they have actually
>been available. To be honest I had forgotten about the awful old 2 Door
>pick-up based 4Runners Toyota sold in the 80's and was only thinking of the
>90's and beyond models.
I understand now - you thought you bought a Toyota, but it really was
a Ford.
>> Honda and Toyota are two of the extremely few companies that can
>> actually build an engine. Ford, Chrysler, GM, Mercedes, and a bunch
>> of others just suck. Every Honda I have owned has gone over 100,000
>> miles without burning a drop of oil. I have never had an American car
>> come even close.
>Now it is my turn to wonder what you are doing wrong. I can't remember the
>last time I had an engine give me any problems and that includes 5 Fords that
>went over 130,000 miles (several way over). My Sister has a very nice Civic,
>but it already burns more than a quart of oil in 1000 miles and it is no where
>near 100,000 miles. Her old '80 Accord also used more than a little oil also.
>It never had the chance to make a 100,000 miles (totaled in an accident).
>However, all cars burn oil. Some more than others, but anytime someone says
>their car doesn't burn a drop, I suggest that they think about how piston
>engines lubricate the pistons and valves.
You obviously are a liar and a troll. Nobody on the planet believes
that you could possibly have owned the 5 Fords made since 1900 that
actually were well made.
>> I laugh at Cadillac saying 100,000 without a tune up. Sure, but just
>> because the plugs are still firing doesn't make up for the 3 quarts of
>> oil per mile it burns...
>
>I don't know about Cadillacs, but my 1997 Expedition easily made it to 100,000
>with nothing more than regular oil and filter changes. I did change the plugs
>at 100,000 miles, but the one I took out looked perfect. Also, I did have to
>replace the alternator at around 101,000 miles, but that sure beat the Toyota
>I owned that needed a new one every summer.
Now we know you are lying. First, you say you changed the "plugs",
then you say the "one you took out" looked perfect, which anybody who
has ever changed a plug knows is --------.
Go back to troll land moron.
<cewhite3nospam@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>DTJ wrote:
>
>> some other idiot wrote...
>>
>> >> I have never driven any car 500,000 miles and find it hard to believe
>> >> that a 4Runner has been driven that many miles. However I did once try
>> >> to get a Toyota to 80,000 miles. It was a miserable expensive disaster.
>>
>> Your inability to take care of a vehicle does not an impartial study
>> make.
>
>Exactly what do you do to keep relays from failing? How do you keep the stupid
>alternator from cooking the internal regulator every summer? What maintenance
>do you suggest to keep the A/C from failing? Just how often do you have to
>change the transmission fluid in a Toyota transmission to keep it from going
>belly up (monthly?)? What treatment would have stopped all the black trim from
>fading to white? What should Ii have done to keep the internal plastic from
>turning white and cracking in less than 5 years? Is repainting the car routine
>maintenance for a Toyota? Did I forget to change the oil in the starter or is
>there some sort of magic to keep them going for more than three years? I
>don't doubt that someone could drive a 4Runner 500,000 miles, I just doubted
>that one had been driven that many miles is the few years they have actually
>been available. To be honest I had forgotten about the awful old 2 Door
>pick-up based 4Runners Toyota sold in the 80's and was only thinking of the
>90's and beyond models.
I understand now - you thought you bought a Toyota, but it really was
a Ford.
>> Honda and Toyota are two of the extremely few companies that can
>> actually build an engine. Ford, Chrysler, GM, Mercedes, and a bunch
>> of others just suck. Every Honda I have owned has gone over 100,000
>> miles without burning a drop of oil. I have never had an American car
>> come even close.
>Now it is my turn to wonder what you are doing wrong. I can't remember the
>last time I had an engine give me any problems and that includes 5 Fords that
>went over 130,000 miles (several way over). My Sister has a very nice Civic,
>but it already burns more than a quart of oil in 1000 miles and it is no where
>near 100,000 miles. Her old '80 Accord also used more than a little oil also.
>It never had the chance to make a 100,000 miles (totaled in an accident).
>However, all cars burn oil. Some more than others, but anytime someone says
>their car doesn't burn a drop, I suggest that they think about how piston
>engines lubricate the pistons and valves.
You obviously are a liar and a troll. Nobody on the planet believes
that you could possibly have owned the 5 Fords made since 1900 that
actually were well made.
>> I laugh at Cadillac saying 100,000 without a tune up. Sure, but just
>> because the plugs are still firing doesn't make up for the 3 quarts of
>> oil per mile it burns...
>
>I don't know about Cadillacs, but my 1997 Expedition easily made it to 100,000
>with nothing more than regular oil and filter changes. I did change the plugs
>at 100,000 miles, but the one I took out looked perfect. Also, I did have to
>replace the alternator at around 101,000 miles, but that sure beat the Toyota
>I owned that needed a new one every summer.
Now we know you are lying. First, you say you changed the "plugs",
then you say the "one you took out" looked perfect, which anybody who
has ever changed a plug knows is --------.
Go back to troll land moron.
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
wrote:
>People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
>150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
>mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
>never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
>more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
Toyota to go 300,000 miles.
My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
miles.
wrote:
>People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
>150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
>mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
>never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
>more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
Toyota to go 300,000 miles.
My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
miles.
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
wrote:
>People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
>150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
>mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
>never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
>more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
Toyota to go 300,000 miles.
My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
miles.
wrote:
>People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
>150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
>mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
>never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
>more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
Toyota to go 300,000 miles.
My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
miles.
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
wrote:
>People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
>150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
>mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
>never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
>more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
Toyota to go 300,000 miles.
My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
miles.
wrote:
>People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
>150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
>mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
>never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
>more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
Toyota to go 300,000 miles.
My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
miles.
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
In message <ibiksvcve6ogkqeb2fhfe1gao1olln5kme@4ax.com>, "DTJ" wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
>wrote:
>
>>People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
>>150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
>>mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
>>never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
>>more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
>
>Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
>vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
>Toyota to go 300,000 miles.
>
>My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
>oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>miles.
This thread, and this moron in particular, are a good example as to why
cross-posting is a bad idea.
>On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
>wrote:
>
>>People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
>>150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
>>mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
>>never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
>>more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
>
>Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
>vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
>Toyota to go 300,000 miles.
>
>My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
>oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>miles.
This thread, and this moron in particular, are a good example as to why
cross-posting is a bad idea.
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
In message <ibiksvcve6ogkqeb2fhfe1gao1olln5kme@4ax.com>, "DTJ" wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
>wrote:
>
>>People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
>>150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
>>mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
>>never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
>>more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
>
>Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
>vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
>Toyota to go 300,000 miles.
>
>My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
>oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>miles.
This thread, and this moron in particular, are a good example as to why
cross-posting is a bad idea.
>On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
>wrote:
>
>>People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
>>150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
>>mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
>>never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
>>more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
>
>Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
>vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
>Toyota to go 300,000 miles.
>
>My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
>oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>miles.
This thread, and this moron in particular, are a good example as to why
cross-posting is a bad idea.
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
In message <ibiksvcve6ogkqeb2fhfe1gao1olln5kme@4ax.com>, "DTJ" wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
>wrote:
>
>>People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
>>150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
>>mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
>>never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
>>more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
>
>Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
>vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
>Toyota to go 300,000 miles.
>
>My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
>oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>miles.
This thread, and this moron in particular, are a good example as to why
cross-posting is a bad idea.
>On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
>wrote:
>
>>People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
>>150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
>>mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
>>never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
>>more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
>
>Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
>vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
>Toyota to go 300,000 miles.
>
>My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
>oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
>EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
>miles.
This thread, and this moron in particular, are a good example as to why
cross-posting is a bad idea.
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
news:3tkksvker1indfll11m3jgigcl9j00o2eg@4ax.com...
> In message <ibiksvcve6ogkqeb2fhfe1gao1olln5kme@4ax.com>, "DTJ" wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
> >>150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
> >>mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
> >>never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
> >>more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
> >
> >Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
> >vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
> >Toyota to go 300,000 miles.
> >
> >My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
> >oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
> >EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
> >miles.
>
>
> This thread, and this moron in particular, are a good example as to why
> cross-posting is a bad idea.
>
It also proves that eating paint chips is bad for your brain. :)
Chris
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
news:3tkksvker1indfll11m3jgigcl9j00o2eg@4ax.com...
> In message <ibiksvcve6ogkqeb2fhfe1gao1olln5kme@4ax.com>, "DTJ" wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
> >>150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
> >>mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
> >>never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
> >>more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
> >
> >Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
> >vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
> >Toyota to go 300,000 miles.
> >
> >My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
> >oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
> >EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
> >miles.
>
>
> This thread, and this moron in particular, are a good example as to why
> cross-posting is a bad idea.
>
It also proves that eating paint chips is bad for your brain. :)
Chris
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Re: Jeep Liberty : Reliability, Safety, IFS ??
"bllsht" <nospam@invaliddot.net> wrote in message
news:3tkksvker1indfll11m3jgigcl9j00o2eg@4ax.com...
> In message <ibiksvcve6ogkqeb2fhfe1gao1olln5kme@4ax.com>, "DTJ" wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:45:55 -0700, AZGuy <jimnazSPAMOUT@***.net>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>People will spend $5000 to make their toyota/honda/nissan make it to
> >>150K. But if they have to spend $2500 on their Ford for the same
> >>mileage they start screaming how awful Fords are and how they will
> >>never buy another one. Not to mention that they probably paid $2500
> >>more for the "import" then for the Ford in the first place.
> >
> >Hey trollboy, statistics show that the cost to get an "American made"
> >vehicle to 100,000 miles is 3 times as much as getting a Honda or
> >Toyota to go 300,000 miles.
> >
> >My own experience, no Honda I have owned has ever needed more than
> >oil, gas, brakes and tires to go 100,000 miles. On the other hand,
> >EVERY American car I have owned has cost me at least $5000 per 20,000
> >miles.
>
>
> This thread, and this moron in particular, are a good example as to why
> cross-posting is a bad idea.
>
It also proves that eating paint chips is bad for your brain. :)
Chris
