Kate

Hey now! I've done my share of pointing and giggling.

--
Kate
2O|||||||O5 Liberty


"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43249A98.4F82955A@***.net...
: You're a good guy, nice to have you with us, hope they don't laugh
: you off the trail:
: http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
: http://www.lostkjs.com/forum/phpBB2/
: God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
: mailto:--------------------
:
: Kate wrote:
: >
: > Sorry... for... what?
: > did you break wind? ;¬D
: > --
: > Kate
: > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty

Kate

Hey now! I've done my share of pointing and giggling.

--
Kate
2O|||||||O5 Liberty


"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43249A98.4F82955A@***.net...
: You're a good guy, nice to have you with us, hope they don't laugh
: you off the trail:
: http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
: http://www.lostkjs.com/forum/phpBB2/
: God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
: mailto:--------------------
:
: Kate wrote:
: >
: > Sorry... for... what?
: > did you break wind? ;¬D
: > --
: > Kate
: > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty

Kate

Hey now! I've done my share of pointing and giggling.

--
Kate
2O|||||||O5 Liberty


"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:43249A98.4F82955A@***.net...
: You're a good guy, nice to have you with us, hope they don't laugh
: you off the trail:
: http://www.----------.com/temp/LibertyAndTraction.mpeg
: http://www.lostkjs.com/forum/phpBB2/
: God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
: mailto:--------------------
:
: Kate wrote:
: >
: > Sorry... for... what?
: > did you break wind? ;¬D
: > --
: > Kate
: > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty

Billy Ray

Kate,

Which Goodyear tires did you get? I am guessing Wrangler HPs which are a
...... fair ... street tire but you won't be getting too far off-road with
those.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS

The MT/Rs that Carl mentioned are off-road mud tires and it sounds like you
would have little need for them.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORMT

If possible you might see if you can get the dealer to swap you a set of All
Terrain tires. They all have a deal with a local tire company although the
swapping is easier done before the sales papers are signed. At the very
least the ATs will give you better winter performance.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORAT

Everyone has their own favorite tire manufacturer, BFG is popular here but
not universal (I have Kumho Venture AT-825s on my Grand Cherokee, see chart
above)

Depending on how high you lift your Liberty you might need new (longer)
shocks or shock extensions.

The 'discos' are sway bar disconnects. You need to disconnect the sway bar
for full articulation off-road but you don't sound to be planning that
either.

A towing point front and rear is important off-road so if you get stuck
someone can pull you out without endangering your axles or body. (The KJ's
not yours) A trailer receiver counts as a rear tow point and allows the
addition of additional carriers, etc. that may be of interest now or in the
future. If money is a consideration you only 'need' one tow hook in the
front.

Take a look at Bill's video. The KJ got stuck because of design limitations
and driver inexperience. The passenger rear tire spun because it had little
traction and the standard differential will allow the tire with less
traction to spin freely and the tire with traction to remain still. You can
'remedy' the open differential by applying the brakes while giving it gas.
The resistance from the brake will often trick the differential into
thinking both tires have equal traction. If you were just ordering the KJ
now you could add the posi-traction option that does this automatically. It
is not as good as a true 'locker' but is much better than nothing. The
driver should also have been further to the left, ALWAYS select your line
when given the chance.

While you are at it get a set of substantial rubber floor mats to replace
the carpeted ones that came from the factory. Your KJ isn't like your old
CJ where you could just go to the carwash with the top off to clean the
interior.

I am not sure how many people in this newsgroup have experience with the 3.7
liter V-6 engine as it is fairly new but I am sure some of them know where
to look and call for good information


--
..
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
news:cW0Ve.10427$_84.5306@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
>
>
>
>
> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:-NadnRrRZM3U0rneRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> : 2" Spacer lift,
>
> Ok, then I will need steps, cause I am not that tall, but that's ok!
>
> new shocks,
> but, but, but these ARE new.
> Why do you say that AND what setup do you think is good and why?
>
> sway bar discos
> HUH ?? I know what a sway bar is, but I thought disco was dead!
>
> and a set of Goodyear MT/R's,
> I have GoodYear tires on it now, why the MTRs ?
>
> : you'll do OK.
> Thanks!
> :¬D
>
>
> --
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
>
> :
> : Carl
> :
> : "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
> : news:CZUUe.10252$_84.9969@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> : > Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
> : > I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years
> though.
> : >
> : > After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra drop
> top
> : > for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
> : > I traded in my California car for something more regionally correct.
> : > The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for a
> bit
> : but
> : > I will get used to it.
> : >
> : > In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the Liberty
> for
> : > comfort, style and versitility.
> : > I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud and
> doing
> : > some exploring.
> : >
> : > I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with their
> : > Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and go
> : > exploring this beautiful part of the country.
> : >
> : > Oh!
> : > I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken, opinionated,
> Irish
> : > woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
> : republican.
> : > I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and sport
> and
> : > worked in the automotive industry for many years.
> : >
> : > Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
> : >
> : > --
> : > Kate
> : > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
> : >
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

Billy Ray

Kate,

Which Goodyear tires did you get? I am guessing Wrangler HPs which are a
...... fair ... street tire but you won't be getting too far off-road with
those.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS

The MT/Rs that Carl mentioned are off-road mud tires and it sounds like you
would have little need for them.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORMT

If possible you might see if you can get the dealer to swap you a set of All
Terrain tires. They all have a deal with a local tire company although the
swapping is easier done before the sales papers are signed. At the very
least the ATs will give you better winter performance.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORAT

Everyone has their own favorite tire manufacturer, BFG is popular here but
not universal (I have Kumho Venture AT-825s on my Grand Cherokee, see chart
above)

Depending on how high you lift your Liberty you might need new (longer)
shocks or shock extensions.

The 'discos' are sway bar disconnects. You need to disconnect the sway bar
for full articulation off-road but you don't sound to be planning that
either.

A towing point front and rear is important off-road so if you get stuck
someone can pull you out without endangering your axles or body. (The KJ's
not yours) A trailer receiver counts as a rear tow point and allows the
addition of additional carriers, etc. that may be of interest now or in the
future. If money is a consideration you only 'need' one tow hook in the
front.

Take a look at Bill's video. The KJ got stuck because of design limitations
and driver inexperience. The passenger rear tire spun because it had little
traction and the standard differential will allow the tire with less
traction to spin freely and the tire with traction to remain still. You can
'remedy' the open differential by applying the brakes while giving it gas.
The resistance from the brake will often trick the differential into
thinking both tires have equal traction. If you were just ordering the KJ
now you could add the posi-traction option that does this automatically. It
is not as good as a true 'locker' but is much better than nothing. The
driver should also have been further to the left, ALWAYS select your line
when given the chance.

While you are at it get a set of substantial rubber floor mats to replace
the carpeted ones that came from the factory. Your KJ isn't like your old
CJ where you could just go to the carwash with the top off to clean the
interior.

I am not sure how many people in this newsgroup have experience with the 3.7
liter V-6 engine as it is fairly new but I am sure some of them know where
to look and call for good information


--
..
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
news:cW0Ve.10427$_84.5306@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
>
>
>
>
> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:-NadnRrRZM3U0rneRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> : 2" Spacer lift,
>
> Ok, then I will need steps, cause I am not that tall, but that's ok!
>
> new shocks,
> but, but, but these ARE new.
> Why do you say that AND what setup do you think is good and why?
>
> sway bar discos
> HUH ?? I know what a sway bar is, but I thought disco was dead!
>
> and a set of Goodyear MT/R's,
> I have GoodYear tires on it now, why the MTRs ?
>
> : you'll do OK.
> Thanks!
> :¬D
>
>
> --
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
>
> :
> : Carl
> :
> : "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
> : news:CZUUe.10252$_84.9969@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> : > Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
> : > I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years
> though.
> : >
> : > After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra drop
> top
> : > for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
> : > I traded in my California car for something more regionally correct.
> : > The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for a
> bit
> : but
> : > I will get used to it.
> : >
> : > In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the Liberty
> for
> : > comfort, style and versitility.
> : > I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud and
> doing
> : > some exploring.
> : >
> : > I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with their
> : > Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and go
> : > exploring this beautiful part of the country.
> : >
> : > Oh!
> : > I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken, opinionated,
> Irish
> : > woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
> : republican.
> : > I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and sport
> and
> : > worked in the automotive industry for many years.
> : >
> : > Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
> : >
> : > --
> : > Kate
> : > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
> : >
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

Billy Ray

Kate,

Which Goodyear tires did you get? I am guessing Wrangler HPs which are a
...... fair ... street tire but you won't be getting too far off-road with
those.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS

The MT/Rs that Carl mentioned are off-road mud tires and it sounds like you
would have little need for them.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORMT

If possible you might see if you can get the dealer to swap you a set of All
Terrain tires. They all have a deal with a local tire company although the
swapping is easier done before the sales papers are signed. At the very
least the ATs will give you better winter performance.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORAT

Everyone has their own favorite tire manufacturer, BFG is popular here but
not universal (I have Kumho Venture AT-825s on my Grand Cherokee, see chart
above)

Depending on how high you lift your Liberty you might need new (longer)
shocks or shock extensions.

The 'discos' are sway bar disconnects. You need to disconnect the sway bar
for full articulation off-road but you don't sound to be planning that
either.

A towing point front and rear is important off-road so if you get stuck
someone can pull you out without endangering your axles or body. (The KJ's
not yours) A trailer receiver counts as a rear tow point and allows the
addition of additional carriers, etc. that may be of interest now or in the
future. If money is a consideration you only 'need' one tow hook in the
front.

Take a look at Bill's video. The KJ got stuck because of design limitations
and driver inexperience. The passenger rear tire spun because it had little
traction and the standard differential will allow the tire with less
traction to spin freely and the tire with traction to remain still. You can
'remedy' the open differential by applying the brakes while giving it gas.
The resistance from the brake will often trick the differential into
thinking both tires have equal traction. If you were just ordering the KJ
now you could add the posi-traction option that does this automatically. It
is not as good as a true 'locker' but is much better than nothing. The
driver should also have been further to the left, ALWAYS select your line
when given the chance.

While you are at it get a set of substantial rubber floor mats to replace
the carpeted ones that came from the factory. Your KJ isn't like your old
CJ where you could just go to the carwash with the top off to clean the
interior.

I am not sure how many people in this newsgroup have experience with the 3.7
liter V-6 engine as it is fairly new but I am sure some of them know where
to look and call for good information


--
..
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
news:cW0Ve.10427$_84.5306@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
>
>
>
>
> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:-NadnRrRZM3U0rneRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> : 2" Spacer lift,
>
> Ok, then I will need steps, cause I am not that tall, but that's ok!
>
> new shocks,
> but, but, but these ARE new.
> Why do you say that AND what setup do you think is good and why?
>
> sway bar discos
> HUH ?? I know what a sway bar is, but I thought disco was dead!
>
> and a set of Goodyear MT/R's,
> I have GoodYear tires on it now, why the MTRs ?
>
> : you'll do OK.
> Thanks!
> :¬D
>
>
> --
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
>
> :
> : Carl
> :
> : "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
> : news:CZUUe.10252$_84.9969@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> : > Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
> : > I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years
> though.
> : >
> : > After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra drop
> top
> : > for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
> : > I traded in my California car for something more regionally correct.
> : > The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for a
> bit
> : but
> : > I will get used to it.
> : >
> : > In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the Liberty
> for
> : > comfort, style and versitility.
> : > I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud and
> doing
> : > some exploring.
> : >
> : > I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with their
> : > Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and go
> : > exploring this beautiful part of the country.
> : >
> : > Oh!
> : > I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken, opinionated,
> Irish
> : > woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
> : republican.
> : > I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and sport
> and
> : > worked in the automotive industry for many years.
> : >
> : > Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
> : >
> : > --
> : > Kate
> : > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
> : >
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

Billy Ray

Kate,

Which Goodyear tires did you get? I am guessing Wrangler HPs which are a
...... fair ... street tire but you won't be getting too far off-road with
those.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...y.jsp?type=HAS

The MT/Rs that Carl mentioned are off-road mud tires and it sounds like you
would have little need for them.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORMT

If possible you might see if you can get the dealer to swap you a set of All
Terrain tires. They all have a deal with a local tire company although the
swapping is easier done before the sales papers are signed. At the very
least the ATs will give you better winter performance.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey....jsp?type=ORAT

Everyone has their own favorite tire manufacturer, BFG is popular here but
not universal (I have Kumho Venture AT-825s on my Grand Cherokee, see chart
above)

Depending on how high you lift your Liberty you might need new (longer)
shocks or shock extensions.

The 'discos' are sway bar disconnects. You need to disconnect the sway bar
for full articulation off-road but you don't sound to be planning that
either.

A towing point front and rear is important off-road so if you get stuck
someone can pull you out without endangering your axles or body. (The KJ's
not yours) A trailer receiver counts as a rear tow point and allows the
addition of additional carriers, etc. that may be of interest now or in the
future. If money is a consideration you only 'need' one tow hook in the
front.

Take a look at Bill's video. The KJ got stuck because of design limitations
and driver inexperience. The passenger rear tire spun because it had little
traction and the standard differential will allow the tire with less
traction to spin freely and the tire with traction to remain still. You can
'remedy' the open differential by applying the brakes while giving it gas.
The resistance from the brake will often trick the differential into
thinking both tires have equal traction. If you were just ordering the KJ
now you could add the posi-traction option that does this automatically. It
is not as good as a true 'locker' but is much better than nothing. The
driver should also have been further to the left, ALWAYS select your line
when given the chance.

While you are at it get a set of substantial rubber floor mats to replace
the carpeted ones that came from the factory. Your KJ isn't like your old
CJ where you could just go to the carwash with the top off to clean the
interior.

I am not sure how many people in this newsgroup have experience with the 3.7
liter V-6 engine as it is fairly new but I am sure some of them know where
to look and call for good information


--
..
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Brilliant Black Crystal Pearl Coat
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
news:cW0Ve.10427$_84.5306@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
>
>
>
>
> "Carl Saiyed" <carlsaiyed@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:-NadnRrRZM3U0rneRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> : 2" Spacer lift,
>
> Ok, then I will need steps, cause I am not that tall, but that's ok!
>
> new shocks,
> but, but, but these ARE new.
> Why do you say that AND what setup do you think is good and why?
>
> sway bar discos
> HUH ?? I know what a sway bar is, but I thought disco was dead!
>
> and a set of Goodyear MT/R's,
> I have GoodYear tires on it now, why the MTRs ?
>
> : you'll do OK.
> Thanks!
> :¬D
>
>
> --
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
>
> :
> : Carl
> :
> : "Kate" <svtkate@excited.com> wrote in message
> : news:CZUUe.10252$_84.9969@newsread1.news.atl.earth link.net...
> : > Thought I would jump in and introduce myself.
> : > I'm located in west Tennessee, only been here a couple of years
> though.
> : >
> : > After about ten years of driving Mustangs traded off my 98 Cobra drop
> top
> : > for a 2005 Liberty Limited 4x4 .
> : > I traded in my California car for something more regionally correct.
> : > The swap down about 100 horses will be something of a stutter for a
> bit
> : but
> : > I will get used to it.
> : >
> : > In earlier days I have owned two CJs and this time chose the Liberty
> for
> : > comfort, style and versitility.
> : > I am looking forward to trying out that last color option - Mud and
> doing
> : > some exploring.
> : >
> : > I'm really interested in what modifications folks are doing with their
> : > Libertys, particularly in power, but I do plan to take it out and go
> : > exploring this beautiful part of the country.
> : >
> : > Oh!
> : > I should add - I am a chubby, 40 something, outspoken, opinionated,
> Irish
> : > woman who is the mother of three, grandma to one and a usually a
> : republican.
> : > I have been around cars and trucks all of my life for fun and sport
> and
> : > worked in the automotive industry for many years.
> : >
> : > Looks like there is a lot to learn in here!
> : >
> : > --
> : > Kate
> : > 2O|||||||O5 Liberty
> : >
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

You know how to hurt a guy.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Kate wrote:
>
> Hey now! I've done my share of pointing and giggling.
>
> --
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

You know how to hurt a guy.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Kate wrote:
>
> Hey now! I've done my share of pointing and giggling.
>
> --
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

You know how to hurt a guy.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Kate wrote:
>
> Hey now! I've done my share of pointing and giggling.
>
> --
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O5 Liberty