First automatic
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Re: First automatic
"Fred Klingener" <gigabitbucket@brockeng.com> wrote in message
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> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
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> > That raises a point about whether he has QuadraTracII or
> > QuadraDrive
>
> For reasons I don't understand, Jeep evidently assembles the
> Quadra-Trac II 4H/4L/N transfer case with the Vari-Lok axle
> differentials and calls the whole thing Quadra-Drive II.
>
That's so you have lots of big words to impress the logging equipment sales
personnel. ;o)
Earle
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> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:2de72$43688e2d$4831b233$14108@FUSE.NET...
> > That raises a point about whether he has QuadraTracII or
> > QuadraDrive
>
> For reasons I don't understand, Jeep evidently assembles the
> Quadra-Trac II 4H/4L/N transfer case with the Vari-Lok axle
> differentials and calls the whole thing Quadra-Drive II.
>
That's so you have lots of big words to impress the logging equipment sales
personnel. ;o)
Earle
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Re: First automatic
"Fred Klingener" <gigabitbucket@brockeng.com> wrote in message
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> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:2de72$43688e2d$4831b233$14108@FUSE.NET...
> > That raises a point about whether he has QuadraTracII or
> > QuadraDrive
>
> For reasons I don't understand, Jeep evidently assembles the
> Quadra-Trac II 4H/4L/N transfer case with the Vari-Lok axle
> differentials and calls the whole thing Quadra-Drive II.
>
That's so you have lots of big words to impress the logging equipment sales
personnel. ;o)
Earle
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> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:2de72$43688e2d$4831b233$14108@FUSE.NET...
> > That raises a point about whether he has QuadraTracII or
> > QuadraDrive
>
> For reasons I don't understand, Jeep evidently assembles the
> Quadra-Trac II 4H/4L/N transfer case with the Vari-Lok axle
> differentials and calls the whole thing Quadra-Drive II.
>
That's so you have lots of big words to impress the logging equipment sales
personnel. ;o)
Earle
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Re: First automatic
"Fred Klingener" <gigabitbucket@brockeng.com> wrote in message
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> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:2de72$43688e2d$4831b233$14108@FUSE.NET...
> > That raises a point about whether he has QuadraTracII or
> > QuadraDrive
>
> For reasons I don't understand, Jeep evidently assembles the
> Quadra-Trac II 4H/4L/N transfer case with the Vari-Lok axle
> differentials and calls the whole thing Quadra-Drive II.
>
That's so you have lots of big words to impress the logging equipment sales
personnel. ;o)
Earle
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> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:2de72$43688e2d$4831b233$14108@FUSE.NET...
> > That raises a point about whether he has QuadraTracII or
> > QuadraDrive
>
> For reasons I don't understand, Jeep evidently assembles the
> Quadra-Trac II 4H/4L/N transfer case with the Vari-Lok axle
> differentials and calls the whole thing Quadra-Drive II.
>
That's so you have lots of big words to impress the logging equipment sales
personnel. ;o)
Earle
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Re: First automatic
I have driven the 05 Grand off road and know exacly what you are
talking about.
The transmisssion is a Mercedes triptronic unit and isn't usually used
with such a low ratio. This means it shifts fast and harder than you
might expect when in low As you no doubt have found by now the jump
between 1st and 2 nd is quite big.
The best thing I found was to run in 2nd and 3rd most of the time and
when 1st was needed come to a complete stop before or as I down shifted
into 1st.
Hope this helps
John
talking about.
The transmisssion is a Mercedes triptronic unit and isn't usually used
with such a low ratio. This means it shifts fast and harder than you
might expect when in low As you no doubt have found by now the jump
between 1st and 2 nd is quite big.
The best thing I found was to run in 2nd and 3rd most of the time and
when 1st was needed come to a complete stop before or as I down shifted
into 1st.
Hope this helps
John
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Re: First automatic
I have driven the 05 Grand off road and know exacly what you are
talking about.
The transmisssion is a Mercedes triptronic unit and isn't usually used
with such a low ratio. This means it shifts fast and harder than you
might expect when in low As you no doubt have found by now the jump
between 1st and 2 nd is quite big.
The best thing I found was to run in 2nd and 3rd most of the time and
when 1st was needed come to a complete stop before or as I down shifted
into 1st.
Hope this helps
John
talking about.
The transmisssion is a Mercedes triptronic unit and isn't usually used
with such a low ratio. This means it shifts fast and harder than you
might expect when in low As you no doubt have found by now the jump
between 1st and 2 nd is quite big.
The best thing I found was to run in 2nd and 3rd most of the time and
when 1st was needed come to a complete stop before or as I down shifted
into 1st.
Hope this helps
John
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Re: First automatic
I have driven the 05 Grand off road and know exacly what you are
talking about.
The transmisssion is a Mercedes triptronic unit and isn't usually used
with such a low ratio. This means it shifts fast and harder than you
might expect when in low As you no doubt have found by now the jump
between 1st and 2 nd is quite big.
The best thing I found was to run in 2nd and 3rd most of the time and
when 1st was needed come to a complete stop before or as I down shifted
into 1st.
Hope this helps
John
talking about.
The transmisssion is a Mercedes triptronic unit and isn't usually used
with such a low ratio. This means it shifts fast and harder than you
might expect when in low As you no doubt have found by now the jump
between 1st and 2 nd is quite big.
The best thing I found was to run in 2nd and 3rd most of the time and
when 1st was needed come to a complete stop before or as I down shifted
into 1st.
Hope this helps
John
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Re: First automatic
"Mr Muddy" <muddy@mrmuddy.freeyellow.com> wrote in message
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> I have driven the 05 Grand off road and know exacly what you are
> talking about.
> The transmisssion is a Mercedes triptronic unit and isn't usually used
> with such a low ratio. This means it shifts fast and harder than you
> might expect when in low As you no doubt have found by now the jump
> between 1st and 2 nd is quite big.
> The best thing I found was to run in 2nd and 3rd most of the time and
> when 1st was needed come to a complete stop before or as I down shifted
> into 1st.
John,
Thanks for the info and the analysis.
I think your advice about coming to a stop before shifting to 1 is the most
sensible procedure too. I think I can make that a habit.
Thanks,
Fred
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> I have driven the 05 Grand off road and know exacly what you are
> talking about.
> The transmisssion is a Mercedes triptronic unit and isn't usually used
> with such a low ratio. This means it shifts fast and harder than you
> might expect when in low As you no doubt have found by now the jump
> between 1st and 2 nd is quite big.
> The best thing I found was to run in 2nd and 3rd most of the time and
> when 1st was needed come to a complete stop before or as I down shifted
> into 1st.
John,
Thanks for the info and the analysis.
I think your advice about coming to a stop before shifting to 1 is the most
sensible procedure too. I think I can make that a habit.
Thanks,
Fred
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Re: First automatic
"Mr Muddy" <muddy@mrmuddy.freeyellow.com> wrote in message
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> I have driven the 05 Grand off road and know exacly what you are
> talking about.
> The transmisssion is a Mercedes triptronic unit and isn't usually used
> with such a low ratio. This means it shifts fast and harder than you
> might expect when in low As you no doubt have found by now the jump
> between 1st and 2 nd is quite big.
> The best thing I found was to run in 2nd and 3rd most of the time and
> when 1st was needed come to a complete stop before or as I down shifted
> into 1st.
John,
Thanks for the info and the analysis.
I think your advice about coming to a stop before shifting to 1 is the most
sensible procedure too. I think I can make that a habit.
Thanks,
Fred
news:1130977539.602437.315770@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> I have driven the 05 Grand off road and know exacly what you are
> talking about.
> The transmisssion is a Mercedes triptronic unit and isn't usually used
> with such a low ratio. This means it shifts fast and harder than you
> might expect when in low As you no doubt have found by now the jump
> between 1st and 2 nd is quite big.
> The best thing I found was to run in 2nd and 3rd most of the time and
> when 1st was needed come to a complete stop before or as I down shifted
> into 1st.
John,
Thanks for the info and the analysis.
I think your advice about coming to a stop before shifting to 1 is the most
sensible procedure too. I think I can make that a habit.
Thanks,
Fred
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Re: First automatic
"Mr Muddy" <muddy@mrmuddy.freeyellow.com> wrote in message
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> I have driven the 05 Grand off road and know exacly what you are
> talking about.
> The transmisssion is a Mercedes triptronic unit and isn't usually used
> with such a low ratio. This means it shifts fast and harder than you
> might expect when in low As you no doubt have found by now the jump
> between 1st and 2 nd is quite big.
> The best thing I found was to run in 2nd and 3rd most of the time and
> when 1st was needed come to a complete stop before or as I down shifted
> into 1st.
John,
Thanks for the info and the analysis.
I think your advice about coming to a stop before shifting to 1 is the most
sensible procedure too. I think I can make that a habit.
Thanks,
Fred
news:1130977539.602437.315770@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> I have driven the 05 Grand off road and know exacly what you are
> talking about.
> The transmisssion is a Mercedes triptronic unit and isn't usually used
> with such a low ratio. This means it shifts fast and harder than you
> might expect when in low As you no doubt have found by now the jump
> between 1st and 2 nd is quite big.
> The best thing I found was to run in 2nd and 3rd most of the time and
> when 1st was needed come to a complete stop before or as I down shifted
> into 1st.
John,
Thanks for the info and the analysis.
I think your advice about coming to a stop before shifting to 1 is the most
sensible procedure too. I think I can make that a habit.
Thanks,
Fred
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Re: First automatic
"Mr Muddy" <muddy@mrmuddy.freeyellow.com> wrote in message
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>I have driven the 05 Grand off road and know exacly what you are
> talking about.
> The transmisssion is a Mercedes triptronic unit and isn't usually used
> with such a low ratio. This means it shifts fast and harder than you
> might expect when in low As you no doubt have found by now the jump
> between 1st and 2 nd is quite big.
> The best thing I found was to run in 2nd and 3rd most of the time and
> when 1st was needed come to a complete stop before or as I down shifted
> into 1st.
>
> Hope this helps
> John
I did not think that I had anything to contribute, but seeing Mr. Muddy's
info i guess i do...
Wife and I own twin 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokees. What we have done on trips
is rent the same car that we would think of buying and so last month, in
Dallas, we rented a 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee. We were very underwhelmed.
Especially with the Tiptronic transmission. Leaving it alone, in D, it
revved, then lugged, then when I put more push on the accelerator, it
downshifted and revved like hell, then upshifted, and hit a small wall, then
slowly deaccelerated, until It down shifted again. We had this turkey for a
week and I figured out that the engine and the transmission are strangers to
each other. So I figured out how to start it up, and it's in D, and I flip
it left, left, left, to downshift, until i get what i want, then flip it
right, then it gets up there then i flip it right, etc. I might as well be
driving a manual shift. It just takes too much attention. It is very
poorly designed.
And to top that off, all the nice amenities, like the rear of the steering
wheel switches, the monitor in the ceiling - all gone. Maybe we rented the
cheap model, but I sure didn't think so.
I got my Consumer Reports (they don't know anything about cars, remembering
that in 1964 they thought that the Nash Rambler was the best car) but they
voted the 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee the worst SUV (whatever that is) that
they tested.
So the Germans are now putting transmissions in US Jeeps? History has shown
that the Germans have never understood Jeeps, and I spent 26 years in the US
Army in Jeeps, and seven years in Germany talking to our German "sister"
battalion people with Mercedes and VW wagons, and they said that they never
understood how the US Army could do what they did with "The Jeep." and most
off-road magazines don't show the Mercedes or VW doing all that well.
Bottom line. I have 115,000 miles on my 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee, and will
keep it for as long as I can, and then I'm looking at Hondas, whatever.
news:1130977539.602437.315770@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>I have driven the 05 Grand off road and know exacly what you are
> talking about.
> The transmisssion is a Mercedes triptronic unit and isn't usually used
> with such a low ratio. This means it shifts fast and harder than you
> might expect when in low As you no doubt have found by now the jump
> between 1st and 2 nd is quite big.
> The best thing I found was to run in 2nd and 3rd most of the time and
> when 1st was needed come to a complete stop before or as I down shifted
> into 1st.
>
> Hope this helps
> John
I did not think that I had anything to contribute, but seeing Mr. Muddy's
info i guess i do...
Wife and I own twin 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokees. What we have done on trips
is rent the same car that we would think of buying and so last month, in
Dallas, we rented a 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee. We were very underwhelmed.
Especially with the Tiptronic transmission. Leaving it alone, in D, it
revved, then lugged, then when I put more push on the accelerator, it
downshifted and revved like hell, then upshifted, and hit a small wall, then
slowly deaccelerated, until It down shifted again. We had this turkey for a
week and I figured out that the engine and the transmission are strangers to
each other. So I figured out how to start it up, and it's in D, and I flip
it left, left, left, to downshift, until i get what i want, then flip it
right, then it gets up there then i flip it right, etc. I might as well be
driving a manual shift. It just takes too much attention. It is very
poorly designed.
And to top that off, all the nice amenities, like the rear of the steering
wheel switches, the monitor in the ceiling - all gone. Maybe we rented the
cheap model, but I sure didn't think so.
I got my Consumer Reports (they don't know anything about cars, remembering
that in 1964 they thought that the Nash Rambler was the best car) but they
voted the 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee the worst SUV (whatever that is) that
they tested.
So the Germans are now putting transmissions in US Jeeps? History has shown
that the Germans have never understood Jeeps, and I spent 26 years in the US
Army in Jeeps, and seven years in Germany talking to our German "sister"
battalion people with Mercedes and VW wagons, and they said that they never
understood how the US Army could do what they did with "The Jeep." and most
off-road magazines don't show the Mercedes or VW doing all that well.
Bottom line. I have 115,000 miles on my 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee, and will
keep it for as long as I can, and then I'm looking at Hondas, whatever.