First automatic
#11
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Re: First automatic
Yep, my work van is an Aerostar and I can't tell you how many times I've
inadvertantly shifted into 2nd instead of 1st maneuvering around parking
lots and such.
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
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__________________________________________________ _________
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Maybe they'll modify their transmission to work like Real Fords and lock
> in any gear the lever is put in, most embarrassing went trying to cross
> a busy intersection starting out in second.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
inadvertantly shifted into 2nd instead of 1st maneuvering around parking
lots and such.
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Maybe they'll modify their transmission to work like Real Fords and lock
> in any gear the lever is put in, most embarrassing went trying to cross
> a busy intersection starting out in second.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
#12
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Posts: n/a
Re: First automatic
Yep, my work van is an Aerostar and I can't tell you how many times I've
inadvertantly shifted into 2nd instead of 1st maneuvering around parking
lots and such.
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Maybe they'll modify their transmission to work like Real Fords and lock
> in any gear the lever is put in, most embarrassing went trying to cross
> a busy intersection starting out in second.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
inadvertantly shifted into 2nd instead of 1st maneuvering around parking
lots and such.
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Maybe they'll modify their transmission to work like Real Fords and lock
> in any gear the lever is put in, most embarrassing went trying to cross
> a busy intersection starting out in second.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
#13
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: First automatic
Yep, my work van is an Aerostar and I can't tell you how many times I've
inadvertantly shifted into 2nd instead of 1st maneuvering around parking
lots and such.
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Maybe they'll modify their transmission to work like Real Fords and lock
> in any gear the lever is put in, most embarrassing went trying to cross
> a busy intersection starting out in second.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
inadvertantly shifted into 2nd instead of 1st maneuvering around parking
lots and such.
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
71 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Maybe they'll modify their transmission to work like Real Fords and lock
> in any gear the lever is put in, most embarrassing went trying to cross
> a busy intersection starting out in second.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
#14
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Posts: n/a
Re: First automatic
Hi Fred,
There is a trick to make the '96 and older XJ to act like a Real
transmission at:
http://web.archive.org/web/200308061...ticle.cfm?ID=5
Maybe you may search and find someone to modify yours.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Fred Klingener wrote:
>
> My new Grand Cherokee Limited (the one with all the trick differentials) is
> my first automatic, and I'm baffled by the shifting program (of the complete
> lack of one) in 4L.
>
> I'm no off-road expert, but I've driven lots of trucks off road for work and
> play. usually, once I get the technique and timing down for a given vehicle,
> things go ok. I use 4L mostly to control speed, but also to finesse stream
> crossings, rock fields, or slimy climbs - places where smoothness is
> rewarded and jerky moves can make me have a bad day.
>
> But the Cherokee in 4L undriveable. Things are sort of ok as long as I stay
> in one gear, but shifting down is like driving into a concrete wall (I was
> even worried about tripping the airbags), and shifting up is like being
> rammed from behind by a semi.
>
> I've tried mightily to match engine speed between the time I select a gear
> and the time that the computer gets around to actually engaging the clutch,
> but the driver has no control over the timing of the shift. It just happens
> sometime after the gear lever is bumped. I haven't ever been able to do
> anything but make things worse.
>
> Here's my complaint: the damn thing is run by a computer that knows exactly
> how fast each wheel is turning, how fast the engine is turning. It knows
> damn well what is going to happen when it bangs in the clutch, but it does
> it anyway. I'm medium-certain that this vehicle has throttle-by-wire, so it
> would be a simple programming exercise to match everything up before
> engaging the clutch, and the whole thing could happen more smoothly than on
> a manual operated by any but the most expert off-roader.
>
> But they evidently didn't even try.
>
> While I was on the road this summer, I talked to a lot of dealer service
> guys about this. Their attack approach was amazingly uniform (I think DC
> must send them all to some central campus to learn how to do it) - 1.)
> Emasculation - "You don't know how to drive off road. Maybe you should
> stick to pavement around the mall," 2.) Denial - "No, you don't know what
> you're talking about. It doesn't do that," 3.) Obfuscation - "You're not
> supposed to shift between 4H and 4L while you're driving," 4.) Guilt -
> "You're abusing this fine vehicle. It's intended for driving on pavement
> around the mall," 5.) They-All-Do-That - "They all do that," and finally 6.)
> Get-Outa-Here-Kid-There're-People-In-Line-Behind-You - "You're supposed to
> come to a complete stop before you change gears in 4L."
>
> So far, I've selected 7.) None-Of-The-Above, stayed in 4H, and relied on the
> brakes with the ABS to control speed. So far, I've managed to stay out of
> trouble.
>
> But I payed a shitload of money for this car, gulled, I suppose, by the
> "Trail Rated" business, and I expected a functioning 4L.
>
> Believe me. I understand the overlay of marketing hype, and I get the fact
> that the Cherokee isn't a real off-roader, with its leather, its
> take-off-your-shoes-and-put-on-these-paper-slippers carpets, its "no-step"
> door jambs, and its frilly plastic skirts. (I was buying some stuff in a
> logging equipment store in northern BC, talking up the zoomy drivetrain on
> the Cherokee, the guy came out, looked in the driver's side window and
> recoiled, "It's a GIRL'S Jeep!"). I had expected (hoped?) that there would
> be some moles in the organization that cared about the basics. Guess maybe
> they all took early-out packages during the last reorganization.
>
> Any suggestions? I mean besides trading it in on a truck with sticks.
>
> Cheers,
> Fred Klingener
There is a trick to make the '96 and older XJ to act like a Real
transmission at:
http://web.archive.org/web/200308061...ticle.cfm?ID=5
Maybe you may search and find someone to modify yours.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Fred Klingener wrote:
>
> My new Grand Cherokee Limited (the one with all the trick differentials) is
> my first automatic, and I'm baffled by the shifting program (of the complete
> lack of one) in 4L.
>
> I'm no off-road expert, but I've driven lots of trucks off road for work and
> play. usually, once I get the technique and timing down for a given vehicle,
> things go ok. I use 4L mostly to control speed, but also to finesse stream
> crossings, rock fields, or slimy climbs - places where smoothness is
> rewarded and jerky moves can make me have a bad day.
>
> But the Cherokee in 4L undriveable. Things are sort of ok as long as I stay
> in one gear, but shifting down is like driving into a concrete wall (I was
> even worried about tripping the airbags), and shifting up is like being
> rammed from behind by a semi.
>
> I've tried mightily to match engine speed between the time I select a gear
> and the time that the computer gets around to actually engaging the clutch,
> but the driver has no control over the timing of the shift. It just happens
> sometime after the gear lever is bumped. I haven't ever been able to do
> anything but make things worse.
>
> Here's my complaint: the damn thing is run by a computer that knows exactly
> how fast each wheel is turning, how fast the engine is turning. It knows
> damn well what is going to happen when it bangs in the clutch, but it does
> it anyway. I'm medium-certain that this vehicle has throttle-by-wire, so it
> would be a simple programming exercise to match everything up before
> engaging the clutch, and the whole thing could happen more smoothly than on
> a manual operated by any but the most expert off-roader.
>
> But they evidently didn't even try.
>
> While I was on the road this summer, I talked to a lot of dealer service
> guys about this. Their attack approach was amazingly uniform (I think DC
> must send them all to some central campus to learn how to do it) - 1.)
> Emasculation - "You don't know how to drive off road. Maybe you should
> stick to pavement around the mall," 2.) Denial - "No, you don't know what
> you're talking about. It doesn't do that," 3.) Obfuscation - "You're not
> supposed to shift between 4H and 4L while you're driving," 4.) Guilt -
> "You're abusing this fine vehicle. It's intended for driving on pavement
> around the mall," 5.) They-All-Do-That - "They all do that," and finally 6.)
> Get-Outa-Here-Kid-There're-People-In-Line-Behind-You - "You're supposed to
> come to a complete stop before you change gears in 4L."
>
> So far, I've selected 7.) None-Of-The-Above, stayed in 4H, and relied on the
> brakes with the ABS to control speed. So far, I've managed to stay out of
> trouble.
>
> But I payed a shitload of money for this car, gulled, I suppose, by the
> "Trail Rated" business, and I expected a functioning 4L.
>
> Believe me. I understand the overlay of marketing hype, and I get the fact
> that the Cherokee isn't a real off-roader, with its leather, its
> take-off-your-shoes-and-put-on-these-paper-slippers carpets, its "no-step"
> door jambs, and its frilly plastic skirts. (I was buying some stuff in a
> logging equipment store in northern BC, talking up the zoomy drivetrain on
> the Cherokee, the guy came out, looked in the driver's side window and
> recoiled, "It's a GIRL'S Jeep!"). I had expected (hoped?) that there would
> be some moles in the organization that cared about the basics. Guess maybe
> they all took early-out packages during the last reorganization.
>
> Any suggestions? I mean besides trading it in on a truck with sticks.
>
> Cheers,
> Fred Klingener
#15
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Re: First automatic
Hi Fred,
There is a trick to make the '96 and older XJ to act like a Real
transmission at:
http://web.archive.org/web/200308061...ticle.cfm?ID=5
Maybe you may search and find someone to modify yours.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Fred Klingener wrote:
>
> My new Grand Cherokee Limited (the one with all the trick differentials) is
> my first automatic, and I'm baffled by the shifting program (of the complete
> lack of one) in 4L.
>
> I'm no off-road expert, but I've driven lots of trucks off road for work and
> play. usually, once I get the technique and timing down for a given vehicle,
> things go ok. I use 4L mostly to control speed, but also to finesse stream
> crossings, rock fields, or slimy climbs - places where smoothness is
> rewarded and jerky moves can make me have a bad day.
>
> But the Cherokee in 4L undriveable. Things are sort of ok as long as I stay
> in one gear, but shifting down is like driving into a concrete wall (I was
> even worried about tripping the airbags), and shifting up is like being
> rammed from behind by a semi.
>
> I've tried mightily to match engine speed between the time I select a gear
> and the time that the computer gets around to actually engaging the clutch,
> but the driver has no control over the timing of the shift. It just happens
> sometime after the gear lever is bumped. I haven't ever been able to do
> anything but make things worse.
>
> Here's my complaint: the damn thing is run by a computer that knows exactly
> how fast each wheel is turning, how fast the engine is turning. It knows
> damn well what is going to happen when it bangs in the clutch, but it does
> it anyway. I'm medium-certain that this vehicle has throttle-by-wire, so it
> would be a simple programming exercise to match everything up before
> engaging the clutch, and the whole thing could happen more smoothly than on
> a manual operated by any but the most expert off-roader.
>
> But they evidently didn't even try.
>
> While I was on the road this summer, I talked to a lot of dealer service
> guys about this. Their attack approach was amazingly uniform (I think DC
> must send them all to some central campus to learn how to do it) - 1.)
> Emasculation - "You don't know how to drive off road. Maybe you should
> stick to pavement around the mall," 2.) Denial - "No, you don't know what
> you're talking about. It doesn't do that," 3.) Obfuscation - "You're not
> supposed to shift between 4H and 4L while you're driving," 4.) Guilt -
> "You're abusing this fine vehicle. It's intended for driving on pavement
> around the mall," 5.) They-All-Do-That - "They all do that," and finally 6.)
> Get-Outa-Here-Kid-There're-People-In-Line-Behind-You - "You're supposed to
> come to a complete stop before you change gears in 4L."
>
> So far, I've selected 7.) None-Of-The-Above, stayed in 4H, and relied on the
> brakes with the ABS to control speed. So far, I've managed to stay out of
> trouble.
>
> But I payed a shitload of money for this car, gulled, I suppose, by the
> "Trail Rated" business, and I expected a functioning 4L.
>
> Believe me. I understand the overlay of marketing hype, and I get the fact
> that the Cherokee isn't a real off-roader, with its leather, its
> take-off-your-shoes-and-put-on-these-paper-slippers carpets, its "no-step"
> door jambs, and its frilly plastic skirts. (I was buying some stuff in a
> logging equipment store in northern BC, talking up the zoomy drivetrain on
> the Cherokee, the guy came out, looked in the driver's side window and
> recoiled, "It's a GIRL'S Jeep!"). I had expected (hoped?) that there would
> be some moles in the organization that cared about the basics. Guess maybe
> they all took early-out packages during the last reorganization.
>
> Any suggestions? I mean besides trading it in on a truck with sticks.
>
> Cheers,
> Fred Klingener
There is a trick to make the '96 and older XJ to act like a Real
transmission at:
http://web.archive.org/web/200308061...ticle.cfm?ID=5
Maybe you may search and find someone to modify yours.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Fred Klingener wrote:
>
> My new Grand Cherokee Limited (the one with all the trick differentials) is
> my first automatic, and I'm baffled by the shifting program (of the complete
> lack of one) in 4L.
>
> I'm no off-road expert, but I've driven lots of trucks off road for work and
> play. usually, once I get the technique and timing down for a given vehicle,
> things go ok. I use 4L mostly to control speed, but also to finesse stream
> crossings, rock fields, or slimy climbs - places where smoothness is
> rewarded and jerky moves can make me have a bad day.
>
> But the Cherokee in 4L undriveable. Things are sort of ok as long as I stay
> in one gear, but shifting down is like driving into a concrete wall (I was
> even worried about tripping the airbags), and shifting up is like being
> rammed from behind by a semi.
>
> I've tried mightily to match engine speed between the time I select a gear
> and the time that the computer gets around to actually engaging the clutch,
> but the driver has no control over the timing of the shift. It just happens
> sometime after the gear lever is bumped. I haven't ever been able to do
> anything but make things worse.
>
> Here's my complaint: the damn thing is run by a computer that knows exactly
> how fast each wheel is turning, how fast the engine is turning. It knows
> damn well what is going to happen when it bangs in the clutch, but it does
> it anyway. I'm medium-certain that this vehicle has throttle-by-wire, so it
> would be a simple programming exercise to match everything up before
> engaging the clutch, and the whole thing could happen more smoothly than on
> a manual operated by any but the most expert off-roader.
>
> But they evidently didn't even try.
>
> While I was on the road this summer, I talked to a lot of dealer service
> guys about this. Their attack approach was amazingly uniform (I think DC
> must send them all to some central campus to learn how to do it) - 1.)
> Emasculation - "You don't know how to drive off road. Maybe you should
> stick to pavement around the mall," 2.) Denial - "No, you don't know what
> you're talking about. It doesn't do that," 3.) Obfuscation - "You're not
> supposed to shift between 4H and 4L while you're driving," 4.) Guilt -
> "You're abusing this fine vehicle. It's intended for driving on pavement
> around the mall," 5.) They-All-Do-That - "They all do that," and finally 6.)
> Get-Outa-Here-Kid-There're-People-In-Line-Behind-You - "You're supposed to
> come to a complete stop before you change gears in 4L."
>
> So far, I've selected 7.) None-Of-The-Above, stayed in 4H, and relied on the
> brakes with the ABS to control speed. So far, I've managed to stay out of
> trouble.
>
> But I payed a shitload of money for this car, gulled, I suppose, by the
> "Trail Rated" business, and I expected a functioning 4L.
>
> Believe me. I understand the overlay of marketing hype, and I get the fact
> that the Cherokee isn't a real off-roader, with its leather, its
> take-off-your-shoes-and-put-on-these-paper-slippers carpets, its "no-step"
> door jambs, and its frilly plastic skirts. (I was buying some stuff in a
> logging equipment store in northern BC, talking up the zoomy drivetrain on
> the Cherokee, the guy came out, looked in the driver's side window and
> recoiled, "It's a GIRL'S Jeep!"). I had expected (hoped?) that there would
> be some moles in the organization that cared about the basics. Guess maybe
> they all took early-out packages during the last reorganization.
>
> Any suggestions? I mean besides trading it in on a truck with sticks.
>
> Cheers,
> Fred Klingener
#16
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: First automatic
Hi Fred,
There is a trick to make the '96 and older XJ to act like a Real
transmission at:
http://web.archive.org/web/200308061...ticle.cfm?ID=5
Maybe you may search and find someone to modify yours.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Fred Klingener wrote:
>
> My new Grand Cherokee Limited (the one with all the trick differentials) is
> my first automatic, and I'm baffled by the shifting program (of the complete
> lack of one) in 4L.
>
> I'm no off-road expert, but I've driven lots of trucks off road for work and
> play. usually, once I get the technique and timing down for a given vehicle,
> things go ok. I use 4L mostly to control speed, but also to finesse stream
> crossings, rock fields, or slimy climbs - places where smoothness is
> rewarded and jerky moves can make me have a bad day.
>
> But the Cherokee in 4L undriveable. Things are sort of ok as long as I stay
> in one gear, but shifting down is like driving into a concrete wall (I was
> even worried about tripping the airbags), and shifting up is like being
> rammed from behind by a semi.
>
> I've tried mightily to match engine speed between the time I select a gear
> and the time that the computer gets around to actually engaging the clutch,
> but the driver has no control over the timing of the shift. It just happens
> sometime after the gear lever is bumped. I haven't ever been able to do
> anything but make things worse.
>
> Here's my complaint: the damn thing is run by a computer that knows exactly
> how fast each wheel is turning, how fast the engine is turning. It knows
> damn well what is going to happen when it bangs in the clutch, but it does
> it anyway. I'm medium-certain that this vehicle has throttle-by-wire, so it
> would be a simple programming exercise to match everything up before
> engaging the clutch, and the whole thing could happen more smoothly than on
> a manual operated by any but the most expert off-roader.
>
> But they evidently didn't even try.
>
> While I was on the road this summer, I talked to a lot of dealer service
> guys about this. Their attack approach was amazingly uniform (I think DC
> must send them all to some central campus to learn how to do it) - 1.)
> Emasculation - "You don't know how to drive off road. Maybe you should
> stick to pavement around the mall," 2.) Denial - "No, you don't know what
> you're talking about. It doesn't do that," 3.) Obfuscation - "You're not
> supposed to shift between 4H and 4L while you're driving," 4.) Guilt -
> "You're abusing this fine vehicle. It's intended for driving on pavement
> around the mall," 5.) They-All-Do-That - "They all do that," and finally 6.)
> Get-Outa-Here-Kid-There're-People-In-Line-Behind-You - "You're supposed to
> come to a complete stop before you change gears in 4L."
>
> So far, I've selected 7.) None-Of-The-Above, stayed in 4H, and relied on the
> brakes with the ABS to control speed. So far, I've managed to stay out of
> trouble.
>
> But I payed a shitload of money for this car, gulled, I suppose, by the
> "Trail Rated" business, and I expected a functioning 4L.
>
> Believe me. I understand the overlay of marketing hype, and I get the fact
> that the Cherokee isn't a real off-roader, with its leather, its
> take-off-your-shoes-and-put-on-these-paper-slippers carpets, its "no-step"
> door jambs, and its frilly plastic skirts. (I was buying some stuff in a
> logging equipment store in northern BC, talking up the zoomy drivetrain on
> the Cherokee, the guy came out, looked in the driver's side window and
> recoiled, "It's a GIRL'S Jeep!"). I had expected (hoped?) that there would
> be some moles in the organization that cared about the basics. Guess maybe
> they all took early-out packages during the last reorganization.
>
> Any suggestions? I mean besides trading it in on a truck with sticks.
>
> Cheers,
> Fred Klingener
There is a trick to make the '96 and older XJ to act like a Real
transmission at:
http://web.archive.org/web/200308061...ticle.cfm?ID=5
Maybe you may search and find someone to modify yours.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Fred Klingener wrote:
>
> My new Grand Cherokee Limited (the one with all the trick differentials) is
> my first automatic, and I'm baffled by the shifting program (of the complete
> lack of one) in 4L.
>
> I'm no off-road expert, but I've driven lots of trucks off road for work and
> play. usually, once I get the technique and timing down for a given vehicle,
> things go ok. I use 4L mostly to control speed, but also to finesse stream
> crossings, rock fields, or slimy climbs - places where smoothness is
> rewarded and jerky moves can make me have a bad day.
>
> But the Cherokee in 4L undriveable. Things are sort of ok as long as I stay
> in one gear, but shifting down is like driving into a concrete wall (I was
> even worried about tripping the airbags), and shifting up is like being
> rammed from behind by a semi.
>
> I've tried mightily to match engine speed between the time I select a gear
> and the time that the computer gets around to actually engaging the clutch,
> but the driver has no control over the timing of the shift. It just happens
> sometime after the gear lever is bumped. I haven't ever been able to do
> anything but make things worse.
>
> Here's my complaint: the damn thing is run by a computer that knows exactly
> how fast each wheel is turning, how fast the engine is turning. It knows
> damn well what is going to happen when it bangs in the clutch, but it does
> it anyway. I'm medium-certain that this vehicle has throttle-by-wire, so it
> would be a simple programming exercise to match everything up before
> engaging the clutch, and the whole thing could happen more smoothly than on
> a manual operated by any but the most expert off-roader.
>
> But they evidently didn't even try.
>
> While I was on the road this summer, I talked to a lot of dealer service
> guys about this. Their attack approach was amazingly uniform (I think DC
> must send them all to some central campus to learn how to do it) - 1.)
> Emasculation - "You don't know how to drive off road. Maybe you should
> stick to pavement around the mall," 2.) Denial - "No, you don't know what
> you're talking about. It doesn't do that," 3.) Obfuscation - "You're not
> supposed to shift between 4H and 4L while you're driving," 4.) Guilt -
> "You're abusing this fine vehicle. It's intended for driving on pavement
> around the mall," 5.) They-All-Do-That - "They all do that," and finally 6.)
> Get-Outa-Here-Kid-There're-People-In-Line-Behind-You - "You're supposed to
> come to a complete stop before you change gears in 4L."
>
> So far, I've selected 7.) None-Of-The-Above, stayed in 4H, and relied on the
> brakes with the ABS to control speed. So far, I've managed to stay out of
> trouble.
>
> But I payed a shitload of money for this car, gulled, I suppose, by the
> "Trail Rated" business, and I expected a functioning 4L.
>
> Believe me. I understand the overlay of marketing hype, and I get the fact
> that the Cherokee isn't a real off-roader, with its leather, its
> take-off-your-shoes-and-put-on-these-paper-slippers carpets, its "no-step"
> door jambs, and its frilly plastic skirts. (I was buying some stuff in a
> logging equipment store in northern BC, talking up the zoomy drivetrain on
> the Cherokee, the guy came out, looked in the driver's side window and
> recoiled, "It's a GIRL'S Jeep!"). I had expected (hoped?) that there would
> be some moles in the organization that cared about the basics. Guess maybe
> they all took early-out packages during the last reorganization.
>
> Any suggestions? I mean besides trading it in on a truck with sticks.
>
> Cheers,
> Fred Klingener
#17
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: First automatic
Hey Fred,
Loved your post, really. Well written, informative and entertaining.
From one 'girls jeep' owner to another
I wish I could hug ya....
KJKate
2O|||||||O5 Liberty
"Fred Klingener" <gigabitbucket@brockeng.com> wrote in message
news:B8N9f.4497$Lv.1799@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net ...
: My new Grand Cherokee Limited (the one with all the trick differentials)
is
: my first automatic, and I'm baffled by the shifting program (of the
complete
: lack of one) in 4L.
:
: I'm no off-road expert, but I've driven lots of trucks off road for work
and
: play. usually, once I get the technique and timing down for a given
vehicle,
: things go ok. I use 4L mostly to control speed, but also to finesse
stream
: crossings, rock fields, or slimy climbs - places where smoothness is
: rewarded and jerky moves can make me have a bad day.
:
: But the Cherokee in 4L undriveable. Things are sort of ok as long as I
stay
: in one gear, but shifting down is like driving into a concrete wall (I was
: even worried about tripping the airbags), and shifting up is like being
: rammed from behind by a semi.
:
: I've tried mightily to match engine speed between the time I select a gear
: and the time that the computer gets around to actually engaging the
clutch,
: but the driver has no control over the timing of the shift. It just
happens
: sometime after the gear lever is bumped. I haven't ever been able to do
: anything but make things worse.
:
: Here's my complaint: the damn thing is run by a computer that knows
exactly
: how fast each wheel is turning, how fast the engine is turning. It knows
: damn well what is going to happen when it bangs in the clutch, but it does
: it anyway. I'm medium-certain that this vehicle has throttle-by-wire, so
it
: would be a simple programming exercise to match everything up before
: engaging the clutch, and the whole thing could happen more smoothly than
on
: a manual operated by any but the most expert off-roader.
:
: But they evidently didn't even try.
:
: While I was on the road this summer, I talked to a lot of dealer service
: guys about this. Their attack approach was amazingly uniform (I think DC
: must send them all to some central campus to learn how to do it) - 1.)
: Emasculation - "You don't know how to drive off road. Maybe you should
: stick to pavement around the mall," 2.) Denial - "No, you don't know what
: you're talking about. It doesn't do that," 3.) Obfuscation - "You're not
: supposed to shift between 4H and 4L while you're driving," 4.) Guilt -
: "You're abusing this fine vehicle. It's intended for driving on pavement
: around the mall," 5.) They-All-Do-That - "They all do that," and finally
6.)
: Get-Outa-Here-Kid-There're-People-In-Line-Behind-You - "You're supposed to
: come to a complete stop before you change gears in 4L."
:
: So far, I've selected 7.) None-Of-The-Above, stayed in 4H, and relied on
the
: brakes with the ABS to control speed. So far, I've managed to stay out of
: trouble.
:
: But I payed a shitload of money for this car, gulled, I suppose, by the
: "Trail Rated" business, and I expected a functioning 4L.
:
: Believe me. I understand the overlay of marketing hype, and I get the
fact
: that the Cherokee isn't a real off-roader, with its leather, its
: take-off-your-shoes-and-put-on-these-paper-slippers carpets, its "no-step"
: door jambs, and its frilly plastic skirts. (I was buying some stuff in a
: logging equipment store in northern BC, talking up the zoomy drivetrain on
: the Cherokee, the guy came out, looked in the driver's side window and
: recoiled, "It's a GIRL'S Jeep!"). I had expected (hoped?) that there would
: be some moles in the organization that cared about the basics. Guess
maybe
: they all took early-out packages during the last reorganization.
:
: Any suggestions? I mean besides trading it in on a truck with sticks.
:
: Cheers,
: Fred Klingener
:
:
Loved your post, really. Well written, informative and entertaining.
From one 'girls jeep' owner to another
I wish I could hug ya....
KJKate
2O|||||||O5 Liberty
"Fred Klingener" <gigabitbucket@brockeng.com> wrote in message
news:B8N9f.4497$Lv.1799@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net ...
: My new Grand Cherokee Limited (the one with all the trick differentials)
is
: my first automatic, and I'm baffled by the shifting program (of the
complete
: lack of one) in 4L.
:
: I'm no off-road expert, but I've driven lots of trucks off road for work
and
: play. usually, once I get the technique and timing down for a given
vehicle,
: things go ok. I use 4L mostly to control speed, but also to finesse
stream
: crossings, rock fields, or slimy climbs - places where smoothness is
: rewarded and jerky moves can make me have a bad day.
:
: But the Cherokee in 4L undriveable. Things are sort of ok as long as I
stay
: in one gear, but shifting down is like driving into a concrete wall (I was
: even worried about tripping the airbags), and shifting up is like being
: rammed from behind by a semi.
:
: I've tried mightily to match engine speed between the time I select a gear
: and the time that the computer gets around to actually engaging the
clutch,
: but the driver has no control over the timing of the shift. It just
happens
: sometime after the gear lever is bumped. I haven't ever been able to do
: anything but make things worse.
:
: Here's my complaint: the damn thing is run by a computer that knows
exactly
: how fast each wheel is turning, how fast the engine is turning. It knows
: damn well what is going to happen when it bangs in the clutch, but it does
: it anyway. I'm medium-certain that this vehicle has throttle-by-wire, so
it
: would be a simple programming exercise to match everything up before
: engaging the clutch, and the whole thing could happen more smoothly than
on
: a manual operated by any but the most expert off-roader.
:
: But they evidently didn't even try.
:
: While I was on the road this summer, I talked to a lot of dealer service
: guys about this. Their attack approach was amazingly uniform (I think DC
: must send them all to some central campus to learn how to do it) - 1.)
: Emasculation - "You don't know how to drive off road. Maybe you should
: stick to pavement around the mall," 2.) Denial - "No, you don't know what
: you're talking about. It doesn't do that," 3.) Obfuscation - "You're not
: supposed to shift between 4H and 4L while you're driving," 4.) Guilt -
: "You're abusing this fine vehicle. It's intended for driving on pavement
: around the mall," 5.) They-All-Do-That - "They all do that," and finally
6.)
: Get-Outa-Here-Kid-There're-People-In-Line-Behind-You - "You're supposed to
: come to a complete stop before you change gears in 4L."
:
: So far, I've selected 7.) None-Of-The-Above, stayed in 4H, and relied on
the
: brakes with the ABS to control speed. So far, I've managed to stay out of
: trouble.
:
: But I payed a shitload of money for this car, gulled, I suppose, by the
: "Trail Rated" business, and I expected a functioning 4L.
:
: Believe me. I understand the overlay of marketing hype, and I get the
fact
: that the Cherokee isn't a real off-roader, with its leather, its
: take-off-your-shoes-and-put-on-these-paper-slippers carpets, its "no-step"
: door jambs, and its frilly plastic skirts. (I was buying some stuff in a
: logging equipment store in northern BC, talking up the zoomy drivetrain on
: the Cherokee, the guy came out, looked in the driver's side window and
: recoiled, "It's a GIRL'S Jeep!"). I had expected (hoped?) that there would
: be some moles in the organization that cared about the basics. Guess
maybe
: they all took early-out packages during the last reorganization.
:
: Any suggestions? I mean besides trading it in on a truck with sticks.
:
: Cheers,
: Fred Klingener
:
:
#18
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: First automatic
Hey Fred,
Loved your post, really. Well written, informative and entertaining.
From one 'girls jeep' owner to another
I wish I could hug ya....
KJKate
2O|||||||O5 Liberty
"Fred Klingener" <gigabitbucket@brockeng.com> wrote in message
news:B8N9f.4497$Lv.1799@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net ...
: My new Grand Cherokee Limited (the one with all the trick differentials)
is
: my first automatic, and I'm baffled by the shifting program (of the
complete
: lack of one) in 4L.
:
: I'm no off-road expert, but I've driven lots of trucks off road for work
and
: play. usually, once I get the technique and timing down for a given
vehicle,
: things go ok. I use 4L mostly to control speed, but also to finesse
stream
: crossings, rock fields, or slimy climbs - places where smoothness is
: rewarded and jerky moves can make me have a bad day.
:
: But the Cherokee in 4L undriveable. Things are sort of ok as long as I
stay
: in one gear, but shifting down is like driving into a concrete wall (I was
: even worried about tripping the airbags), and shifting up is like being
: rammed from behind by a semi.
:
: I've tried mightily to match engine speed between the time I select a gear
: and the time that the computer gets around to actually engaging the
clutch,
: but the driver has no control over the timing of the shift. It just
happens
: sometime after the gear lever is bumped. I haven't ever been able to do
: anything but make things worse.
:
: Here's my complaint: the damn thing is run by a computer that knows
exactly
: how fast each wheel is turning, how fast the engine is turning. It knows
: damn well what is going to happen when it bangs in the clutch, but it does
: it anyway. I'm medium-certain that this vehicle has throttle-by-wire, so
it
: would be a simple programming exercise to match everything up before
: engaging the clutch, and the whole thing could happen more smoothly than
on
: a manual operated by any but the most expert off-roader.
:
: But they evidently didn't even try.
:
: While I was on the road this summer, I talked to a lot of dealer service
: guys about this. Their attack approach was amazingly uniform (I think DC
: must send them all to some central campus to learn how to do it) - 1.)
: Emasculation - "You don't know how to drive off road. Maybe you should
: stick to pavement around the mall," 2.) Denial - "No, you don't know what
: you're talking about. It doesn't do that," 3.) Obfuscation - "You're not
: supposed to shift between 4H and 4L while you're driving," 4.) Guilt -
: "You're abusing this fine vehicle. It's intended for driving on pavement
: around the mall," 5.) They-All-Do-That - "They all do that," and finally
6.)
: Get-Outa-Here-Kid-There're-People-In-Line-Behind-You - "You're supposed to
: come to a complete stop before you change gears in 4L."
:
: So far, I've selected 7.) None-Of-The-Above, stayed in 4H, and relied on
the
: brakes with the ABS to control speed. So far, I've managed to stay out of
: trouble.
:
: But I payed a shitload of money for this car, gulled, I suppose, by the
: "Trail Rated" business, and I expected a functioning 4L.
:
: Believe me. I understand the overlay of marketing hype, and I get the
fact
: that the Cherokee isn't a real off-roader, with its leather, its
: take-off-your-shoes-and-put-on-these-paper-slippers carpets, its "no-step"
: door jambs, and its frilly plastic skirts. (I was buying some stuff in a
: logging equipment store in northern BC, talking up the zoomy drivetrain on
: the Cherokee, the guy came out, looked in the driver's side window and
: recoiled, "It's a GIRL'S Jeep!"). I had expected (hoped?) that there would
: be some moles in the organization that cared about the basics. Guess
maybe
: they all took early-out packages during the last reorganization.
:
: Any suggestions? I mean besides trading it in on a truck with sticks.
:
: Cheers,
: Fred Klingener
:
:
Loved your post, really. Well written, informative and entertaining.
From one 'girls jeep' owner to another
I wish I could hug ya....
KJKate
2O|||||||O5 Liberty
"Fred Klingener" <gigabitbucket@brockeng.com> wrote in message
news:B8N9f.4497$Lv.1799@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net ...
: My new Grand Cherokee Limited (the one with all the trick differentials)
is
: my first automatic, and I'm baffled by the shifting program (of the
complete
: lack of one) in 4L.
:
: I'm no off-road expert, but I've driven lots of trucks off road for work
and
: play. usually, once I get the technique and timing down for a given
vehicle,
: things go ok. I use 4L mostly to control speed, but also to finesse
stream
: crossings, rock fields, or slimy climbs - places where smoothness is
: rewarded and jerky moves can make me have a bad day.
:
: But the Cherokee in 4L undriveable. Things are sort of ok as long as I
stay
: in one gear, but shifting down is like driving into a concrete wall (I was
: even worried about tripping the airbags), and shifting up is like being
: rammed from behind by a semi.
:
: I've tried mightily to match engine speed between the time I select a gear
: and the time that the computer gets around to actually engaging the
clutch,
: but the driver has no control over the timing of the shift. It just
happens
: sometime after the gear lever is bumped. I haven't ever been able to do
: anything but make things worse.
:
: Here's my complaint: the damn thing is run by a computer that knows
exactly
: how fast each wheel is turning, how fast the engine is turning. It knows
: damn well what is going to happen when it bangs in the clutch, but it does
: it anyway. I'm medium-certain that this vehicle has throttle-by-wire, so
it
: would be a simple programming exercise to match everything up before
: engaging the clutch, and the whole thing could happen more smoothly than
on
: a manual operated by any but the most expert off-roader.
:
: But they evidently didn't even try.
:
: While I was on the road this summer, I talked to a lot of dealer service
: guys about this. Their attack approach was amazingly uniform (I think DC
: must send them all to some central campus to learn how to do it) - 1.)
: Emasculation - "You don't know how to drive off road. Maybe you should
: stick to pavement around the mall," 2.) Denial - "No, you don't know what
: you're talking about. It doesn't do that," 3.) Obfuscation - "You're not
: supposed to shift between 4H and 4L while you're driving," 4.) Guilt -
: "You're abusing this fine vehicle. It's intended for driving on pavement
: around the mall," 5.) They-All-Do-That - "They all do that," and finally
6.)
: Get-Outa-Here-Kid-There're-People-In-Line-Behind-You - "You're supposed to
: come to a complete stop before you change gears in 4L."
:
: So far, I've selected 7.) None-Of-The-Above, stayed in 4H, and relied on
the
: brakes with the ABS to control speed. So far, I've managed to stay out of
: trouble.
:
: But I payed a shitload of money for this car, gulled, I suppose, by the
: "Trail Rated" business, and I expected a functioning 4L.
:
: Believe me. I understand the overlay of marketing hype, and I get the
fact
: that the Cherokee isn't a real off-roader, with its leather, its
: take-off-your-shoes-and-put-on-these-paper-slippers carpets, its "no-step"
: door jambs, and its frilly plastic skirts. (I was buying some stuff in a
: logging equipment store in northern BC, talking up the zoomy drivetrain on
: the Cherokee, the guy came out, looked in the driver's side window and
: recoiled, "It's a GIRL'S Jeep!"). I had expected (hoped?) that there would
: be some moles in the organization that cared about the basics. Guess
maybe
: they all took early-out packages during the last reorganization.
:
: Any suggestions? I mean besides trading it in on a truck with sticks.
:
: Cheers,
: Fred Klingener
:
:
#19
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: First automatic
Hey Fred,
Loved your post, really. Well written, informative and entertaining.
From one 'girls jeep' owner to another
I wish I could hug ya....
KJKate
2O|||||||O5 Liberty
"Fred Klingener" <gigabitbucket@brockeng.com> wrote in message
news:B8N9f.4497$Lv.1799@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net ...
: My new Grand Cherokee Limited (the one with all the trick differentials)
is
: my first automatic, and I'm baffled by the shifting program (of the
complete
: lack of one) in 4L.
:
: I'm no off-road expert, but I've driven lots of trucks off road for work
and
: play. usually, once I get the technique and timing down for a given
vehicle,
: things go ok. I use 4L mostly to control speed, but also to finesse
stream
: crossings, rock fields, or slimy climbs - places where smoothness is
: rewarded and jerky moves can make me have a bad day.
:
: But the Cherokee in 4L undriveable. Things are sort of ok as long as I
stay
: in one gear, but shifting down is like driving into a concrete wall (I was
: even worried about tripping the airbags), and shifting up is like being
: rammed from behind by a semi.
:
: I've tried mightily to match engine speed between the time I select a gear
: and the time that the computer gets around to actually engaging the
clutch,
: but the driver has no control over the timing of the shift. It just
happens
: sometime after the gear lever is bumped. I haven't ever been able to do
: anything but make things worse.
:
: Here's my complaint: the damn thing is run by a computer that knows
exactly
: how fast each wheel is turning, how fast the engine is turning. It knows
: damn well what is going to happen when it bangs in the clutch, but it does
: it anyway. I'm medium-certain that this vehicle has throttle-by-wire, so
it
: would be a simple programming exercise to match everything up before
: engaging the clutch, and the whole thing could happen more smoothly than
on
: a manual operated by any but the most expert off-roader.
:
: But they evidently didn't even try.
:
: While I was on the road this summer, I talked to a lot of dealer service
: guys about this. Their attack approach was amazingly uniform (I think DC
: must send them all to some central campus to learn how to do it) - 1.)
: Emasculation - "You don't know how to drive off road. Maybe you should
: stick to pavement around the mall," 2.) Denial - "No, you don't know what
: you're talking about. It doesn't do that," 3.) Obfuscation - "You're not
: supposed to shift between 4H and 4L while you're driving," 4.) Guilt -
: "You're abusing this fine vehicle. It's intended for driving on pavement
: around the mall," 5.) They-All-Do-That - "They all do that," and finally
6.)
: Get-Outa-Here-Kid-There're-People-In-Line-Behind-You - "You're supposed to
: come to a complete stop before you change gears in 4L."
:
: So far, I've selected 7.) None-Of-The-Above, stayed in 4H, and relied on
the
: brakes with the ABS to control speed. So far, I've managed to stay out of
: trouble.
:
: But I payed a shitload of money for this car, gulled, I suppose, by the
: "Trail Rated" business, and I expected a functioning 4L.
:
: Believe me. I understand the overlay of marketing hype, and I get the
fact
: that the Cherokee isn't a real off-roader, with its leather, its
: take-off-your-shoes-and-put-on-these-paper-slippers carpets, its "no-step"
: door jambs, and its frilly plastic skirts. (I was buying some stuff in a
: logging equipment store in northern BC, talking up the zoomy drivetrain on
: the Cherokee, the guy came out, looked in the driver's side window and
: recoiled, "It's a GIRL'S Jeep!"). I had expected (hoped?) that there would
: be some moles in the organization that cared about the basics. Guess
maybe
: they all took early-out packages during the last reorganization.
:
: Any suggestions? I mean besides trading it in on a truck with sticks.
:
: Cheers,
: Fred Klingener
:
:
Loved your post, really. Well written, informative and entertaining.
From one 'girls jeep' owner to another
I wish I could hug ya....
KJKate
2O|||||||O5 Liberty
"Fred Klingener" <gigabitbucket@brockeng.com> wrote in message
news:B8N9f.4497$Lv.1799@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net ...
: My new Grand Cherokee Limited (the one with all the trick differentials)
is
: my first automatic, and I'm baffled by the shifting program (of the
complete
: lack of one) in 4L.
:
: I'm no off-road expert, but I've driven lots of trucks off road for work
and
: play. usually, once I get the technique and timing down for a given
vehicle,
: things go ok. I use 4L mostly to control speed, but also to finesse
stream
: crossings, rock fields, or slimy climbs - places where smoothness is
: rewarded and jerky moves can make me have a bad day.
:
: But the Cherokee in 4L undriveable. Things are sort of ok as long as I
stay
: in one gear, but shifting down is like driving into a concrete wall (I was
: even worried about tripping the airbags), and shifting up is like being
: rammed from behind by a semi.
:
: I've tried mightily to match engine speed between the time I select a gear
: and the time that the computer gets around to actually engaging the
clutch,
: but the driver has no control over the timing of the shift. It just
happens
: sometime after the gear lever is bumped. I haven't ever been able to do
: anything but make things worse.
:
: Here's my complaint: the damn thing is run by a computer that knows
exactly
: how fast each wheel is turning, how fast the engine is turning. It knows
: damn well what is going to happen when it bangs in the clutch, but it does
: it anyway. I'm medium-certain that this vehicle has throttle-by-wire, so
it
: would be a simple programming exercise to match everything up before
: engaging the clutch, and the whole thing could happen more smoothly than
on
: a manual operated by any but the most expert off-roader.
:
: But they evidently didn't even try.
:
: While I was on the road this summer, I talked to a lot of dealer service
: guys about this. Their attack approach was amazingly uniform (I think DC
: must send them all to some central campus to learn how to do it) - 1.)
: Emasculation - "You don't know how to drive off road. Maybe you should
: stick to pavement around the mall," 2.) Denial - "No, you don't know what
: you're talking about. It doesn't do that," 3.) Obfuscation - "You're not
: supposed to shift between 4H and 4L while you're driving," 4.) Guilt -
: "You're abusing this fine vehicle. It's intended for driving on pavement
: around the mall," 5.) They-All-Do-That - "They all do that," and finally
6.)
: Get-Outa-Here-Kid-There're-People-In-Line-Behind-You - "You're supposed to
: come to a complete stop before you change gears in 4L."
:
: So far, I've selected 7.) None-Of-The-Above, stayed in 4H, and relied on
the
: brakes with the ABS to control speed. So far, I've managed to stay out of
: trouble.
:
: But I payed a shitload of money for this car, gulled, I suppose, by the
: "Trail Rated" business, and I expected a functioning 4L.
:
: Believe me. I understand the overlay of marketing hype, and I get the
fact
: that the Cherokee isn't a real off-roader, with its leather, its
: take-off-your-shoes-and-put-on-these-paper-slippers carpets, its "no-step"
: door jambs, and its frilly plastic skirts. (I was buying some stuff in a
: logging equipment store in northern BC, talking up the zoomy drivetrain on
: the Cherokee, the guy came out, looked in the driver's side window and
: recoiled, "It's a GIRL'S Jeep!"). I had expected (hoped?) that there would
: be some moles in the organization that cared about the basics. Guess
maybe
: they all took early-out packages during the last reorganization.
:
: Any suggestions? I mean besides trading it in on a truck with sticks.
:
: Cheers,
: Fred Klingener
:
:
#20
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: First automatic
Fred.
You start off by saying you have a "GRAND CHEROKEE". Then in the body you
keep calling it a Cherokee! There's a big difference between my Cherokee
with it's ASIN/WARNER AW4 auto tranny and your Grand with it's Chrysler
tanny.
JoBo
"Fred Klingener" <gigabitbucket@brockeng.com> wrote in message
news:B8N9f.4497$Lv.1799@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net ...
> My new Grand Cherokee Limited >
> But the Cherokee in 4L undriveable. >
> Believe me. I understand the overlay of marketing hype, and I get the
> fact
> that the Cherokee isn't a real off-roader, talking up the zoomy
> drivetrain on
> the Cherokee, the guy came out, looked in the driver's side window and
> recoiled, "It's a GIRL'S Jeep!"). > Cheers,
> Fred Klingener
>
>
You start off by saying you have a "GRAND CHEROKEE". Then in the body you
keep calling it a Cherokee! There's a big difference between my Cherokee
with it's ASIN/WARNER AW4 auto tranny and your Grand with it's Chrysler
tanny.
JoBo
"Fred Klingener" <gigabitbucket@brockeng.com> wrote in message
news:B8N9f.4497$Lv.1799@newssvr24.news.prodigy.net ...
> My new Grand Cherokee Limited >
> But the Cherokee in 4L undriveable. >
> Believe me. I understand the overlay of marketing hype, and I get the
> fact
> that the Cherokee isn't a real off-roader, talking up the zoomy
> drivetrain on
> the Cherokee, the guy came out, looked in the driver's side window and
> recoiled, "It's a GIRL'S Jeep!"). > Cheers,
> Fred Klingener
>
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