Ethanol in Grand Cherokee
02-11-2006, 03:19 PM
#41
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Re: Ethanol in Grand Cherokee
Fuel system corrosion and other costly maintenance issues aside, you
might want to check your fuel mileage on that E85. Many web sites
report that there's a 10% to 30% loss of mileage on E85 over regular 10%
ethanol. The loss of mileage is because a gallon of ethanol contains
only 2/3s the energy of a gallon of gasoline.
On the back of my envelope I see that if you were getting 20MPG on
gasoline but only 15MPG on E85 (a 25% reduction) it is costing you 12
1/2 cents a mile on gasoline and 13 cents a mile on E85. True, it's
only a halfpenny a mile and it costs you less every time you fill up but
you are filling up /more often/. If you drive 20K/year that's $100 more
that you are paying in mileage loss. If you're off 30% it's an extra
$300/year.
Chris Lamb wrote:
> I don't know about that politics stuff those guys were talking about.
> I'm just trying to feed six kids and make ends meet. The stuff I am
> talking about putting into it says E-85 on the pump. It is $1.94 a
> gallon. Reg 87 at BP costs $2.49.
>
> On 11 Feb 2006 10:13:03 -0800, "larry"
> <larry.greenwood@minotstateu.edu> wrote:
>
>
>>Chris, I use it because of the higher octane rating in a GC 2001 V8.
>>But it is not cheaper up here in ND. It costs the same as regular.
>>According the GC owner's manual, its ok to use a 10% blend. I am not
>>sure if the mileage is any better over regular.
>>
>>Larry Greenwood
>>
>>God Bless America's Trees, Larry O|||||||O
>>
>
>
02-11-2006, 03:25 PM
#42
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Re: Ethanol in Grand Cherokee
Or that it is pure government pork. It takes the energy of 2/3s of a
gallon of gasoline to produce a gallon of pump-ready ethanol. A gallon
of ethanol holds 2/3s the energy of gasoline, so BTU-wise it is a wash.
I'm all for workable alternative energy sources, but in this case we
might just as well burn gasoline and pay farmers not to plant surplus corn.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Yes, that wasn't a good link, I should have stuck with the fact
> that taxpayers have subsidize up to six times the cost with petroleum
> energy to make ethanol:
> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jason Backshall wrote:
>
>>Uh Bill.. .052c = 5.2 cents.
>>
>>J.
gallon of gasoline to produce a gallon of pump-ready ethanol. A gallon
of ethanol holds 2/3s the energy of gasoline, so BTU-wise it is a wash.
I'm all for workable alternative energy sources, but in this case we
might just as well burn gasoline and pay farmers not to plant surplus corn.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Yes, that wasn't a good link, I should have stuck with the fact
> that taxpayers have subsidize up to six times the cost with petroleum
> energy to make ethanol:
> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jason Backshall wrote:
>
>>Uh Bill.. .052c = 5.2 cents.
>>
>>J.
02-11-2006, 03:25 PM
#43
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Posts: n/a
Re: Ethanol in Grand Cherokee
Or that it is pure government pork. It takes the energy of 2/3s of a
gallon of gasoline to produce a gallon of pump-ready ethanol. A gallon
of ethanol holds 2/3s the energy of gasoline, so BTU-wise it is a wash.
I'm all for workable alternative energy sources, but in this case we
might just as well burn gasoline and pay farmers not to plant surplus corn.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Yes, that wasn't a good link, I should have stuck with the fact
> that taxpayers have subsidize up to six times the cost with petroleum
> energy to make ethanol:
> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jason Backshall wrote:
>
>>Uh Bill.. .052c = 5.2 cents.
>>
>>J.
gallon of gasoline to produce a gallon of pump-ready ethanol. A gallon
of ethanol holds 2/3s the energy of gasoline, so BTU-wise it is a wash.
I'm all for workable alternative energy sources, but in this case we
might just as well burn gasoline and pay farmers not to plant surplus corn.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Yes, that wasn't a good link, I should have stuck with the fact
> that taxpayers have subsidize up to six times the cost with petroleum
> energy to make ethanol:
> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jason Backshall wrote:
>
>>Uh Bill.. .052c = 5.2 cents.
>>
>>J.
02-11-2006, 03:25 PM
#44
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Posts: n/a
Re: Ethanol in Grand Cherokee
Or that it is pure government pork. It takes the energy of 2/3s of a
gallon of gasoline to produce a gallon of pump-ready ethanol. A gallon
of ethanol holds 2/3s the energy of gasoline, so BTU-wise it is a wash.
I'm all for workable alternative energy sources, but in this case we
might just as well burn gasoline and pay farmers not to plant surplus corn.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Yes, that wasn't a good link, I should have stuck with the fact
> that taxpayers have subsidize up to six times the cost with petroleum
> energy to make ethanol:
> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jason Backshall wrote:
>
>>Uh Bill.. .052c = 5.2 cents.
>>
>>J.
gallon of gasoline to produce a gallon of pump-ready ethanol. A gallon
of ethanol holds 2/3s the energy of gasoline, so BTU-wise it is a wash.
I'm all for workable alternative energy sources, but in this case we
might just as well burn gasoline and pay farmers not to plant surplus corn.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Yes, that wasn't a good link, I should have stuck with the fact
> that taxpayers have subsidize up to six times the cost with petroleum
> energy to make ethanol:
> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jason Backshall wrote:
>
>>Uh Bill.. .052c = 5.2 cents.
>>
>>J.
02-11-2006, 03:25 PM
#45
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Posts: n/a
Re: Ethanol in Grand Cherokee
Or that it is pure government pork. It takes the energy of 2/3s of a
gallon of gasoline to produce a gallon of pump-ready ethanol. A gallon
of ethanol holds 2/3s the energy of gasoline, so BTU-wise it is a wash.
I'm all for workable alternative energy sources, but in this case we
might just as well burn gasoline and pay farmers not to plant surplus corn.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Yes, that wasn't a good link, I should have stuck with the fact
> that taxpayers have subsidize up to six times the cost with petroleum
> energy to make ethanol:
> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jason Backshall wrote:
>
>>Uh Bill.. .052c = 5.2 cents.
>>
>>J.
gallon of gasoline to produce a gallon of pump-ready ethanol. A gallon
of ethanol holds 2/3s the energy of gasoline, so BTU-wise it is a wash.
I'm all for workable alternative energy sources, but in this case we
might just as well burn gasoline and pay farmers not to plant surplus corn.
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Yes, that wasn't a good link, I should have stuck with the fact
> that taxpayers have subsidize up to six times the cost with petroleum
> energy to make ethanol:
> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jason Backshall wrote:
>
>>Uh Bill.. .052c = 5.2 cents.
>>
>>J.
02-11-2006, 04:55 PM
#46
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Re: Ethanol in Grand Cherokee
Glad I asked first. Seemed too good to be true. One of the fellow
HAM radio operators in this area (Oshkosh) is the manager of the plant
near here. He says they produce 55000 gallons a day and they are
considered a small plant. Wonder who is using all this stuff.
Happened to go to the local Home Show yesterday and was surprised how
many woodburners now can be set up to burn corn. But there is no gas
in corn like there is in wood, so you only burn cellulose and it is
much cooler.
I just read someplace that 30% of some government budget is spent on
farm subsidies. What a waste. I think they should pull every
subsidy: corn, tobacco, wheat, whatever. Either make it as a farmer
or go find another job.
Off soapbox
Tate
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:19:37 -0500, Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com>
wrote:
>
>Fuel system corrosion and other costly maintenance issues aside, you
>might want to check your fuel mileage on that E85. Many web sites
>report that there's a 10% to 30% loss of mileage on E85 over regular 10%
>ethanol. The loss of mileage is because a gallon of ethanol contains
>only 2/3s the energy of a gallon of gasoline.
>
>On the back of my envelope I see that if you were getting 20MPG on
>gasoline but only 15MPG on E85 (a 25% reduction) it is costing you 12
>1/2 cents a mile on gasoline and 13 cents a mile on E85. True, it's
>only a halfpenny a mile and it costs you less every time you fill up but
>you are filling up /more often/. If you drive 20K/year that's $100 more
>that you are paying in mileage loss. If you're off 30% it's an extra
>$300/year.
>
>
>Chris Lamb wrote:
>> I don't know about that politics stuff those guys were talking about.
>> I'm just trying to feed six kids and make ends meet. The stuff I am
>> talking about putting into it says E-85 on the pump. It is $1.94 a
>> gallon. Reg 87 at BP costs $2.49.
>>
>> On 11 Feb 2006 10:13:03 -0800, "larry"
>> <larry.greenwood@minotstateu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Chris, I use it because of the higher octane rating in a GC 2001 V8.
>>>But it is not cheaper up here in ND. It costs the same as regular.
>>>According the GC owner's manual, its ok to use a 10% blend. I am not
>>>sure if the mileage is any better over regular.
>>>
>>>Larry Greenwood
>>>
>>>God Bless America's Trees, Larry O|||||||O
>>>
>>
>>
HAM radio operators in this area (Oshkosh) is the manager of the plant
near here. He says they produce 55000 gallons a day and they are
considered a small plant. Wonder who is using all this stuff.
Happened to go to the local Home Show yesterday and was surprised how
many woodburners now can be set up to burn corn. But there is no gas
in corn like there is in wood, so you only burn cellulose and it is
much cooler.
I just read someplace that 30% of some government budget is spent on
farm subsidies. What a waste. I think they should pull every
subsidy: corn, tobacco, wheat, whatever. Either make it as a farmer
or go find another job.
Off soapbox
Tate
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:19:37 -0500, Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com>
wrote:
>
>Fuel system corrosion and other costly maintenance issues aside, you
>might want to check your fuel mileage on that E85. Many web sites
>report that there's a 10% to 30% loss of mileage on E85 over regular 10%
>ethanol. The loss of mileage is because a gallon of ethanol contains
>only 2/3s the energy of a gallon of gasoline.
>
>On the back of my envelope I see that if you were getting 20MPG on
>gasoline but only 15MPG on E85 (a 25% reduction) it is costing you 12
>1/2 cents a mile on gasoline and 13 cents a mile on E85. True, it's
>only a halfpenny a mile and it costs you less every time you fill up but
>you are filling up /more often/. If you drive 20K/year that's $100 more
>that you are paying in mileage loss. If you're off 30% it's an extra
>$300/year.
>
>
>Chris Lamb wrote:
>> I don't know about that politics stuff those guys were talking about.
>> I'm just trying to feed six kids and make ends meet. The stuff I am
>> talking about putting into it says E-85 on the pump. It is $1.94 a
>> gallon. Reg 87 at BP costs $2.49.
>>
>> On 11 Feb 2006 10:13:03 -0800, "larry"
>> <larry.greenwood@minotstateu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Chris, I use it because of the higher octane rating in a GC 2001 V8.
>>>But it is not cheaper up here in ND. It costs the same as regular.
>>>According the GC owner's manual, its ok to use a 10% blend. I am not
>>>sure if the mileage is any better over regular.
>>>
>>>Larry Greenwood
>>>
>>>God Bless America's Trees, Larry O|||||||O
>>>
>>
>>
02-11-2006, 04:55 PM
#47
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Posts: n/a
Re: Ethanol in Grand Cherokee
Glad I asked first. Seemed too good to be true. One of the fellow
HAM radio operators in this area (Oshkosh) is the manager of the plant
near here. He says they produce 55000 gallons a day and they are
considered a small plant. Wonder who is using all this stuff.
Happened to go to the local Home Show yesterday and was surprised how
many woodburners now can be set up to burn corn. But there is no gas
in corn like there is in wood, so you only burn cellulose and it is
much cooler.
I just read someplace that 30% of some government budget is spent on
farm subsidies. What a waste. I think they should pull every
subsidy: corn, tobacco, wheat, whatever. Either make it as a farmer
or go find another job.
Off soapbox
Tate
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:19:37 -0500, Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com>
wrote:
>
>Fuel system corrosion and other costly maintenance issues aside, you
>might want to check your fuel mileage on that E85. Many web sites
>report that there's a 10% to 30% loss of mileage on E85 over regular 10%
>ethanol. The loss of mileage is because a gallon of ethanol contains
>only 2/3s the energy of a gallon of gasoline.
>
>On the back of my envelope I see that if you were getting 20MPG on
>gasoline but only 15MPG on E85 (a 25% reduction) it is costing you 12
>1/2 cents a mile on gasoline and 13 cents a mile on E85. True, it's
>only a halfpenny a mile and it costs you less every time you fill up but
>you are filling up /more often/. If you drive 20K/year that's $100 more
>that you are paying in mileage loss. If you're off 30% it's an extra
>$300/year.
>
>
>Chris Lamb wrote:
>> I don't know about that politics stuff those guys were talking about.
>> I'm just trying to feed six kids and make ends meet. The stuff I am
>> talking about putting into it says E-85 on the pump. It is $1.94 a
>> gallon. Reg 87 at BP costs $2.49.
>>
>> On 11 Feb 2006 10:13:03 -0800, "larry"
>> <larry.greenwood@minotstateu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Chris, I use it because of the higher octane rating in a GC 2001 V8.
>>>But it is not cheaper up here in ND. It costs the same as regular.
>>>According the GC owner's manual, its ok to use a 10% blend. I am not
>>>sure if the mileage is any better over regular.
>>>
>>>Larry Greenwood
>>>
>>>God Bless America's Trees, Larry O|||||||O
>>>
>>
>>
HAM radio operators in this area (Oshkosh) is the manager of the plant
near here. He says they produce 55000 gallons a day and they are
considered a small plant. Wonder who is using all this stuff.
Happened to go to the local Home Show yesterday and was surprised how
many woodburners now can be set up to burn corn. But there is no gas
in corn like there is in wood, so you only burn cellulose and it is
much cooler.
I just read someplace that 30% of some government budget is spent on
farm subsidies. What a waste. I think they should pull every
subsidy: corn, tobacco, wheat, whatever. Either make it as a farmer
or go find another job.
Off soapbox
Tate
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:19:37 -0500, Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com>
wrote:
>
>Fuel system corrosion and other costly maintenance issues aside, you
>might want to check your fuel mileage on that E85. Many web sites
>report that there's a 10% to 30% loss of mileage on E85 over regular 10%
>ethanol. The loss of mileage is because a gallon of ethanol contains
>only 2/3s the energy of a gallon of gasoline.
>
>On the back of my envelope I see that if you were getting 20MPG on
>gasoline but only 15MPG on E85 (a 25% reduction) it is costing you 12
>1/2 cents a mile on gasoline and 13 cents a mile on E85. True, it's
>only a halfpenny a mile and it costs you less every time you fill up but
>you are filling up /more often/. If you drive 20K/year that's $100 more
>that you are paying in mileage loss. If you're off 30% it's an extra
>$300/year.
>
>
>Chris Lamb wrote:
>> I don't know about that politics stuff those guys were talking about.
>> I'm just trying to feed six kids and make ends meet. The stuff I am
>> talking about putting into it says E-85 on the pump. It is $1.94 a
>> gallon. Reg 87 at BP costs $2.49.
>>
>> On 11 Feb 2006 10:13:03 -0800, "larry"
>> <larry.greenwood@minotstateu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Chris, I use it because of the higher octane rating in a GC 2001 V8.
>>>But it is not cheaper up here in ND. It costs the same as regular.
>>>According the GC owner's manual, its ok to use a 10% blend. I am not
>>>sure if the mileage is any better over regular.
>>>
>>>Larry Greenwood
>>>
>>>God Bless America's Trees, Larry O|||||||O
>>>
>>
>>
02-11-2006, 04:55 PM
#48
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Ethanol in Grand Cherokee
Glad I asked first. Seemed too good to be true. One of the fellow
HAM radio operators in this area (Oshkosh) is the manager of the plant
near here. He says they produce 55000 gallons a day and they are
considered a small plant. Wonder who is using all this stuff.
Happened to go to the local Home Show yesterday and was surprised how
many woodburners now can be set up to burn corn. But there is no gas
in corn like there is in wood, so you only burn cellulose and it is
much cooler.
I just read someplace that 30% of some government budget is spent on
farm subsidies. What a waste. I think they should pull every
subsidy: corn, tobacco, wheat, whatever. Either make it as a farmer
or go find another job.
Off soapbox
Tate
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:19:37 -0500, Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com>
wrote:
>
>Fuel system corrosion and other costly maintenance issues aside, you
>might want to check your fuel mileage on that E85. Many web sites
>report that there's a 10% to 30% loss of mileage on E85 over regular 10%
>ethanol. The loss of mileage is because a gallon of ethanol contains
>only 2/3s the energy of a gallon of gasoline.
>
>On the back of my envelope I see that if you were getting 20MPG on
>gasoline but only 15MPG on E85 (a 25% reduction) it is costing you 12
>1/2 cents a mile on gasoline and 13 cents a mile on E85. True, it's
>only a halfpenny a mile and it costs you less every time you fill up but
>you are filling up /more often/. If you drive 20K/year that's $100 more
>that you are paying in mileage loss. If you're off 30% it's an extra
>$300/year.
>
>
>Chris Lamb wrote:
>> I don't know about that politics stuff those guys were talking about.
>> I'm just trying to feed six kids and make ends meet. The stuff I am
>> talking about putting into it says E-85 on the pump. It is $1.94 a
>> gallon. Reg 87 at BP costs $2.49.
>>
>> On 11 Feb 2006 10:13:03 -0800, "larry"
>> <larry.greenwood@minotstateu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Chris, I use it because of the higher octane rating in a GC 2001 V8.
>>>But it is not cheaper up here in ND. It costs the same as regular.
>>>According the GC owner's manual, its ok to use a 10% blend. I am not
>>>sure if the mileage is any better over regular.
>>>
>>>Larry Greenwood
>>>
>>>God Bless America's Trees, Larry O|||||||O
>>>
>>
>>
HAM radio operators in this area (Oshkosh) is the manager of the plant
near here. He says they produce 55000 gallons a day and they are
considered a small plant. Wonder who is using all this stuff.
Happened to go to the local Home Show yesterday and was surprised how
many woodburners now can be set up to burn corn. But there is no gas
in corn like there is in wood, so you only burn cellulose and it is
much cooler.
I just read someplace that 30% of some government budget is spent on
farm subsidies. What a waste. I think they should pull every
subsidy: corn, tobacco, wheat, whatever. Either make it as a farmer
or go find another job.
Off soapbox
Tate
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:19:37 -0500, Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com>
wrote:
>
>Fuel system corrosion and other costly maintenance issues aside, you
>might want to check your fuel mileage on that E85. Many web sites
>report that there's a 10% to 30% loss of mileage on E85 over regular 10%
>ethanol. The loss of mileage is because a gallon of ethanol contains
>only 2/3s the energy of a gallon of gasoline.
>
>On the back of my envelope I see that if you were getting 20MPG on
>gasoline but only 15MPG on E85 (a 25% reduction) it is costing you 12
>1/2 cents a mile on gasoline and 13 cents a mile on E85. True, it's
>only a halfpenny a mile and it costs you less every time you fill up but
>you are filling up /more often/. If you drive 20K/year that's $100 more
>that you are paying in mileage loss. If you're off 30% it's an extra
>$300/year.
>
>
>Chris Lamb wrote:
>> I don't know about that politics stuff those guys were talking about.
>> I'm just trying to feed six kids and make ends meet. The stuff I am
>> talking about putting into it says E-85 on the pump. It is $1.94 a
>> gallon. Reg 87 at BP costs $2.49.
>>
>> On 11 Feb 2006 10:13:03 -0800, "larry"
>> <larry.greenwood@minotstateu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Chris, I use it because of the higher octane rating in a GC 2001 V8.
>>>But it is not cheaper up here in ND. It costs the same as regular.
>>>According the GC owner's manual, its ok to use a 10% blend. I am not
>>>sure if the mileage is any better over regular.
>>>
>>>Larry Greenwood
>>>
>>>God Bless America's Trees, Larry O|||||||O
>>>
>>
>>
02-11-2006, 04:55 PM
#49
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Ethanol in Grand Cherokee
Glad I asked first. Seemed too good to be true. One of the fellow
HAM radio operators in this area (Oshkosh) is the manager of the plant
near here. He says they produce 55000 gallons a day and they are
considered a small plant. Wonder who is using all this stuff.
Happened to go to the local Home Show yesterday and was surprised how
many woodburners now can be set up to burn corn. But there is no gas
in corn like there is in wood, so you only burn cellulose and it is
much cooler.
I just read someplace that 30% of some government budget is spent on
farm subsidies. What a waste. I think they should pull every
subsidy: corn, tobacco, wheat, whatever. Either make it as a farmer
or go find another job.
Off soapbox
Tate
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:19:37 -0500, Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com>
wrote:
>
>Fuel system corrosion and other costly maintenance issues aside, you
>might want to check your fuel mileage on that E85. Many web sites
>report that there's a 10% to 30% loss of mileage on E85 over regular 10%
>ethanol. The loss of mileage is because a gallon of ethanol contains
>only 2/3s the energy of a gallon of gasoline.
>
>On the back of my envelope I see that if you were getting 20MPG on
>gasoline but only 15MPG on E85 (a 25% reduction) it is costing you 12
>1/2 cents a mile on gasoline and 13 cents a mile on E85. True, it's
>only a halfpenny a mile and it costs you less every time you fill up but
>you are filling up /more often/. If you drive 20K/year that's $100 more
>that you are paying in mileage loss. If you're off 30% it's an extra
>$300/year.
>
>
>Chris Lamb wrote:
>> I don't know about that politics stuff those guys were talking about.
>> I'm just trying to feed six kids and make ends meet. The stuff I am
>> talking about putting into it says E-85 on the pump. It is $1.94 a
>> gallon. Reg 87 at BP costs $2.49.
>>
>> On 11 Feb 2006 10:13:03 -0800, "larry"
>> <larry.greenwood@minotstateu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Chris, I use it because of the higher octane rating in a GC 2001 V8.
>>>But it is not cheaper up here in ND. It costs the same as regular.
>>>According the GC owner's manual, its ok to use a 10% blend. I am not
>>>sure if the mileage is any better over regular.
>>>
>>>Larry Greenwood
>>>
>>>God Bless America's Trees, Larry O|||||||O
>>>
>>
>>
HAM radio operators in this area (Oshkosh) is the manager of the plant
near here. He says they produce 55000 gallons a day and they are
considered a small plant. Wonder who is using all this stuff.
Happened to go to the local Home Show yesterday and was surprised how
many woodburners now can be set up to burn corn. But there is no gas
in corn like there is in wood, so you only burn cellulose and it is
much cooler.
I just read someplace that 30% of some government budget is spent on
farm subsidies. What a waste. I think they should pull every
subsidy: corn, tobacco, wheat, whatever. Either make it as a farmer
or go find another job.
Off soapbox
Tate
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:19:37 -0500, Lee Ayrton <layrton@panix.com>
wrote:
>
>Fuel system corrosion and other costly maintenance issues aside, you
>might want to check your fuel mileage on that E85. Many web sites
>report that there's a 10% to 30% loss of mileage on E85 over regular 10%
>ethanol. The loss of mileage is because a gallon of ethanol contains
>only 2/3s the energy of a gallon of gasoline.
>
>On the back of my envelope I see that if you were getting 20MPG on
>gasoline but only 15MPG on E85 (a 25% reduction) it is costing you 12
>1/2 cents a mile on gasoline and 13 cents a mile on E85. True, it's
>only a halfpenny a mile and it costs you less every time you fill up but
>you are filling up /more often/. If you drive 20K/year that's $100 more
>that you are paying in mileage loss. If you're off 30% it's an extra
>$300/year.
>
>
>Chris Lamb wrote:
>> I don't know about that politics stuff those guys were talking about.
>> I'm just trying to feed six kids and make ends meet. The stuff I am
>> talking about putting into it says E-85 on the pump. It is $1.94 a
>> gallon. Reg 87 at BP costs $2.49.
>>
>> On 11 Feb 2006 10:13:03 -0800, "larry"
>> <larry.greenwood@minotstateu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Chris, I use it because of the higher octane rating in a GC 2001 V8.
>>>But it is not cheaper up here in ND. It costs the same as regular.
>>>According the GC owner's manual, its ok to use a 10% blend. I am not
>>>sure if the mileage is any better over regular.
>>>
>>>Larry Greenwood
>>>
>>>God Bless America's Trees, Larry O|||||||O
>>>
>>
>>
02-11-2006, 07:02 PM
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Re: Ethanol in Grand Cherokee
Ditto.
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larry wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> The E85 mix is 85% ethanol and will work only in some selected
> vehicles. As your owner's manual will tell you that you should not
> exceed a 10% blend of ethanol in your GC.
>
> You can visit the following link to get a list of vehicles that can run
> on E85 http://www.e85fuel.com/index.php
>
> Larry Greenwood
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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larry wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> The E85 mix is 85% ethanol and will work only in some selected
> vehicles. As your owner's manual will tell you that you should not
> exceed a 10% blend of ethanol in your GC.
>
> You can visit the following link to get a list of vehicles that can run
> on E85 http://www.e85fuel.com/index.php
>
> Larry Greenwood
