Dang.

Called around and so far just one salvage yard has a 4 banger with the 4.11,
they want $975.00 for the thing. Haven't found Ruby at any of them but I'm
guessing they will be very very $ proud $ of it if I do find one.

My real reason isn't really about gas, the wife drives it 6 blocks to work
and back because it costs to much in gas for me to drive it 50 - 60 miles a
day. The problem is about power. Since I put the 33's on it a couple of
years ago it is really weak in 2 high (does just great off road in 4 low but
4 high is worse than worthless ). On the highway you can't use 5th gear at
all, 5th has 0 power it won't even coast unless your going down hill, 4th
gear is now 5th gear in that you can not accelerate in 4th gear at all and
must drop to 3rd gear if your going up even the slightest uphill grade.
Third gear is the driving gear now, it' does have good power in 3rd but it
runs at about 3+ grand at 65mph in 3rd gear. Taking off from a stop it has
to be babied with lots of clutch and lots of gas or the jeep shakes and the
valves float. I really don't like her driving it even just that short
distance the way it is, it needs more power for pulling out in traffic.

I wonder if it would make any difference to just go up ( numerically) to
whatever the max is on the 3.07 . I would hate to spend the money, even
though I would just do the rear at first, only to find out it really didn't
help at all.

Maybe I can convince her to let me put some 30" tires on it. If I remember
right, that is what it had from the factory and the power was great until I
put the 33"s on it.


Farrell Christeson

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:467c369f$0$18866$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> Yup, you need the whole shebang, not a cheap thing to do.
>
> I am lucky and can get by with my 3.31's and 33's, but if I use 5th, it
> drinks gas. I say with a '4 speed' and forget about OD or 5th and get 23
> MPG highway.
>
> Been doing this for 10 years or so in my C7. I don't crawl rocks on the
> trails I run so pretty much never even need first low.
>
> If I win the lotto I might think on new gears, but.....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> FDC wrote:
>> Thanks Bill that is very useful.
>>
>> And digging around there brings up :
>>
>> " Make sure you get at least a 3.73 since that is the ratio where both
>> the
>> front Dana 30 and rear Dana 35 have the larger gear cases that can
>> accept ratios like the 4.11 and lower (higher, numerically) "
>>
>> Ok.. I don't just need the carrier I need the entire gear case ? The
>> only thing I "don't" have to replace is the axles and tubes ? (and I know
>> I "should" replace my frail D35's with the more manly D44).
>>
>> Confused again. The 4.11 and carrier, even if I have them, will not fit
>> in my 3.07 gear case ?
>>
>> Farrell Christeson
>>
>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:467c1c49$0$16377$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...re+gear+ratio+
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> "FDC" <someone@spammymonkey.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4VUei.1$I5.129@news.more.net...
>>>> A while back I ask here about changing the differential gear ratio in
>>>> my
>>>> 2002 TJ, 4.0 (had installed a 4" lift and 33" tires, need to change
>>>> gear
>>>> ratio)
>>>>
>>>> It has been a while since messed with this , got married in there
>>> somewhere,
>>>> and also lost the thread. Anyway I do remember that basically the
>>>> replies
>>>> were that I would have to change the carrier because the factory
>>>> carrier
>>> in
>>>> my wrangler would not take 4.11 .
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, a lot changed around here about the same time and I am just now
>>>> getting back around to messing with this.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know what would be easier / cheaper / or even possible :
>>>>
>>>> (1) Find a wrecked 03-0? Ruby - will the Dana 44 bolt into my 02
>>>> Wrangler
>>>> without mods ?
>>>> (2) Will the carrier for a 97-0? 2.5/2.4L - Manual ( the manuals are
>>>> 4.11
>>> I
>>>> believe) work as the carrier I need ?
>>>> (3) Can I use the ring / pinion / carrier out of the manual 4 bangers
>>>> ?
>>> or
>>>> (4) Find a wrecked 97-0? 4 banger TJ with Manual trans (4.11 gears) -
>>>> will
>>>> the axles bolt up under my TJ without mods ?
>>>>
>>>> Is there another , non crazy expensive, way to do it that I missed ?
>>>>
>>>> It's going to be the wife's daily driver now because she drives a lot
>>>> less
>>>> than I do and she loves driving it. I already suggested removing the
>>>> lift
>>>> and tires ( I still have all the factory stuff in the garage) and she
>>>> informed me that wasn't an option... So that isn't an option...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions or info.
>>>>
>>>> Farrell Christeson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>
>>

 

Dang.

Called around and so far just one salvage yard has a 4 banger with the 4.11,
they want $975.00 for the thing. Haven't found Ruby at any of them but I'm
guessing they will be very very $ proud $ of it if I do find one.

My real reason isn't really about gas, the wife drives it 6 blocks to work
and back because it costs to much in gas for me to drive it 50 - 60 miles a
day. The problem is about power. Since I put the 33's on it a couple of
years ago it is really weak in 2 high (does just great off road in 4 low but
4 high is worse than worthless ). On the highway you can't use 5th gear at
all, 5th has 0 power it won't even coast unless your going down hill, 4th
gear is now 5th gear in that you can not accelerate in 4th gear at all and
must drop to 3rd gear if your going up even the slightest uphill grade.
Third gear is the driving gear now, it' does have good power in 3rd but it
runs at about 3+ grand at 65mph in 3rd gear. Taking off from a stop it has
to be babied with lots of clutch and lots of gas or the jeep shakes and the
valves float. I really don't like her driving it even just that short
distance the way it is, it needs more power for pulling out in traffic.

I wonder if it would make any difference to just go up ( numerically) to
whatever the max is on the 3.07 . I would hate to spend the money, even
though I would just do the rear at first, only to find out it really didn't
help at all.

Maybe I can convince her to let me put some 30" tires on it. If I remember
right, that is what it had from the factory and the power was great until I
put the 33"s on it.


Farrell Christeson

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:467c369f$0$18866$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> Yup, you need the whole shebang, not a cheap thing to do.
>
> I am lucky and can get by with my 3.31's and 33's, but if I use 5th, it
> drinks gas. I say with a '4 speed' and forget about OD or 5th and get 23
> MPG highway.
>
> Been doing this for 10 years or so in my C7. I don't crawl rocks on the
> trails I run so pretty much never even need first low.
>
> If I win the lotto I might think on new gears, but.....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> FDC wrote:
>> Thanks Bill that is very useful.
>>
>> And digging around there brings up :
>>
>> " Make sure you get at least a 3.73 since that is the ratio where both
>> the
>> front Dana 30 and rear Dana 35 have the larger gear cases that can
>> accept ratios like the 4.11 and lower (higher, numerically) "
>>
>> Ok.. I don't just need the carrier I need the entire gear case ? The
>> only thing I "don't" have to replace is the axles and tubes ? (and I know
>> I "should" replace my frail D35's with the more manly D44).
>>
>> Confused again. The 4.11 and carrier, even if I have them, will not fit
>> in my 3.07 gear case ?
>>
>> Farrell Christeson
>>
>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:467c1c49$0$16377$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...re+gear+ratio+
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> "FDC" <someone@spammymonkey.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4VUei.1$I5.129@news.more.net...
>>>> A while back I ask here about changing the differential gear ratio in
>>>> my
>>>> 2002 TJ, 4.0 (had installed a 4" lift and 33" tires, need to change
>>>> gear
>>>> ratio)
>>>>
>>>> It has been a while since messed with this , got married in there
>>> somewhere,
>>>> and also lost the thread. Anyway I do remember that basically the
>>>> replies
>>>> were that I would have to change the carrier because the factory
>>>> carrier
>>> in
>>>> my wrangler would not take 4.11 .
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, a lot changed around here about the same time and I am just now
>>>> getting back around to messing with this.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know what would be easier / cheaper / or even possible :
>>>>
>>>> (1) Find a wrecked 03-0? Ruby - will the Dana 44 bolt into my 02
>>>> Wrangler
>>>> without mods ?
>>>> (2) Will the carrier for a 97-0? 2.5/2.4L - Manual ( the manuals are
>>>> 4.11
>>> I
>>>> believe) work as the carrier I need ?
>>>> (3) Can I use the ring / pinion / carrier out of the manual 4 bangers
>>>> ?
>>> or
>>>> (4) Find a wrecked 97-0? 4 banger TJ with Manual trans (4.11 gears) -
>>>> will
>>>> the axles bolt up under my TJ without mods ?
>>>>
>>>> Is there another , non crazy expensive, way to do it that I missed ?
>>>>
>>>> It's going to be the wife's daily driver now because she drives a lot
>>>> less
>>>> than I do and she loves driving it. I already suggested removing the
>>>> lift
>>>> and tires ( I still have all the factory stuff in the garage) and she
>>>> informed me that wasn't an option... So that isn't an option...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions or info.
>>>>
>>>> Farrell Christeson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>
>>

 

Dang.

Called around and so far just one salvage yard has a 4 banger with the 4.11,
they want $975.00 for the thing. Haven't found Ruby at any of them but I'm
guessing they will be very very $ proud $ of it if I do find one.

My real reason isn't really about gas, the wife drives it 6 blocks to work
and back because it costs to much in gas for me to drive it 50 - 60 miles a
day. The problem is about power. Since I put the 33's on it a couple of
years ago it is really weak in 2 high (does just great off road in 4 low but
4 high is worse than worthless ). On the highway you can't use 5th gear at
all, 5th has 0 power it won't even coast unless your going down hill, 4th
gear is now 5th gear in that you can not accelerate in 4th gear at all and
must drop to 3rd gear if your going up even the slightest uphill grade.
Third gear is the driving gear now, it' does have good power in 3rd but it
runs at about 3+ grand at 65mph in 3rd gear. Taking off from a stop it has
to be babied with lots of clutch and lots of gas or the jeep shakes and the
valves float. I really don't like her driving it even just that short
distance the way it is, it needs more power for pulling out in traffic.

I wonder if it would make any difference to just go up ( numerically) to
whatever the max is on the 3.07 . I would hate to spend the money, even
though I would just do the rear at first, only to find out it really didn't
help at all.

Maybe I can convince her to let me put some 30" tires on it. If I remember
right, that is what it had from the factory and the power was great until I
put the 33"s on it.


Farrell Christeson

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:467c369f$0$18866$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
> Yup, you need the whole shebang, not a cheap thing to do.
>
> I am lucky and can get by with my 3.31's and 33's, but if I use 5th, it
> drinks gas. I say with a '4 speed' and forget about OD or 5th and get 23
> MPG highway.
>
> Been doing this for 10 years or so in my C7. I don't crawl rocks on the
> trails I run so pretty much never even need first low.
>
> If I win the lotto I might think on new gears, but.....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> FDC wrote:
>> Thanks Bill that is very useful.
>>
>> And digging around there brings up :
>>
>> " Make sure you get at least a 3.73 since that is the ratio where both
>> the
>> front Dana 30 and rear Dana 35 have the larger gear cases that can
>> accept ratios like the 4.11 and lower (higher, numerically) "
>>
>> Ok.. I don't just need the carrier I need the entire gear case ? The
>> only thing I "don't" have to replace is the axles and tubes ? (and I know
>> I "should" replace my frail D35's with the more manly D44).
>>
>> Confused again. The 4.11 and carrier, even if I have them, will not fit
>> in my 3.07 gear case ?
>>
>> Farrell Christeson
>>
>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:467c1c49$0$16377$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...re+gear+ratio+
>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> "FDC" <someone@spammymonkey.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4VUei.1$I5.129@news.more.net...
>>>> A while back I ask here about changing the differential gear ratio in
>>>> my
>>>> 2002 TJ, 4.0 (had installed a 4" lift and 33" tires, need to change
>>>> gear
>>>> ratio)
>>>>
>>>> It has been a while since messed with this , got married in there
>>> somewhere,
>>>> and also lost the thread. Anyway I do remember that basically the
>>>> replies
>>>> were that I would have to change the carrier because the factory
>>>> carrier
>>> in
>>>> my wrangler would not take 4.11 .
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, a lot changed around here about the same time and I am just now
>>>> getting back around to messing with this.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know what would be easier / cheaper / or even possible :
>>>>
>>>> (1) Find a wrecked 03-0? Ruby - will the Dana 44 bolt into my 02
>>>> Wrangler
>>>> without mods ?
>>>> (2) Will the carrier for a 97-0? 2.5/2.4L - Manual ( the manuals are
>>>> 4.11
>>> I
>>>> believe) work as the carrier I need ?
>>>> (3) Can I use the ring / pinion / carrier out of the manual 4 bangers
>>>> ?
>>> or
>>>> (4) Find a wrecked 97-0? 4 banger TJ with Manual trans (4.11 gears) -
>>>> will
>>>> the axles bolt up under my TJ without mods ?
>>>>
>>>> Is there another , non crazy expensive, way to do it that I missed ?
>>>>
>>>> It's going to be the wife's daily driver now because she drives a lot
>>>> less
>>>> than I do and she loves driving it. I already suggested removing the
>>>> lift
>>>> and tires ( I still have all the factory stuff in the garage) and she
>>>> informed me that wasn't an option... So that isn't an option...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions or info.
>>>>
>>>> Farrell Christeson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>
>>

 

Hrm...

That was $975.00 just for the rear axle.

"FDC" <someone@spammymonkey.com> wrote in message
news:7NXei.4$I5.553@news.more.net...
>
> Dang.
>
> Called around and so far just one salvage yard has a 4 banger with the
> 4.11, they want $975.00 for the thing. Haven't found Ruby at any of them
> but I'm guessing they will be very very $ proud $ of it if I do find one.
>
> My real reason isn't really about gas, the wife drives it 6 blocks to work
> and back because it costs to much in gas for me to drive it 50 - 60 miles
> a day. The problem is about power. Since I put the 33's on it a couple of
> years ago it is really weak in 2 high (does just great off road in 4 low
> but 4 high is worse than worthless ). On the highway you can't use 5th
> gear at all, 5th has 0 power it won't even coast unless your going down
> hill, 4th gear is now 5th gear in that you can not accelerate in 4th gear
> at all and must drop to 3rd gear if your going up even the slightest
> uphill grade. Third gear is the driving gear now, it' does have good power
> in 3rd but it runs at about 3+ grand at 65mph in 3rd gear. Taking off
> from a stop it has to be babied with lots of clutch and lots of gas or the
> jeep shakes and the valves float. I really don't like her driving it even
> just that short distance the way it is, it needs more power for pulling
> out in traffic.
>
> I wonder if it would make any difference to just go up ( numerically) to
> whatever the max is on the 3.07 . I would hate to spend the money, even
> though I would just do the rear at first, only to find out it really
> didn't help at all.
>
> Maybe I can convince her to let me put some 30" tires on it. If I remember
> right, that is what it had from the factory and the power was great until
> I put the 33"s on it.
>
>
> Farrell Christeson
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:467c369f$0$18866$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Yup, you need the whole shebang, not a cheap thing to do.
>>
>> I am lucky and can get by with my 3.31's and 33's, but if I use 5th, it
>> drinks gas. I say with a '4 speed' and forget about OD or 5th and get 23
>> MPG highway.
>>
>> Been doing this for 10 years or so in my C7. I don't crawl rocks on the
>> trails I run so pretty much never even need first low.
>>
>> If I win the lotto I might think on new gears, but.....
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> FDC wrote:
>>> Thanks Bill that is very useful.
>>>
>>> And digging around there brings up :
>>>
>>> " Make sure you get at least a 3.73 since that is the ratio where both
>>> the
>>> front Dana 30 and rear Dana 35 have the larger gear cases that can
>>> accept ratios like the 4.11 and lower (higher, numerically) "
>>>
>>> Ok.. I don't just need the carrier I need the entire gear case ? The
>>> only thing I "don't" have to replace is the axles and tubes ? (and I
>>> know I "should" replace my frail D35's with the more manly D44).
>>>
>>> Confused again. The 4.11 and carrier, even if I have them, will not fit
>>> in my 3.07 gear case ?
>>>
>>> Farrell Christeson
>>>
>>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>> news:467c1c49$0$16377$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...re+gear+ratio+
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "FDC" <someone@spammymonkey.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4VUei.1$I5.129@news.more.net...
>>>>> A while back I ask here about changing the differential gear ratio in
>>>>> my
>>>>> 2002 TJ, 4.0 (had installed a 4" lift and 33" tires, need to change
>>>>> gear
>>>>> ratio)
>>>>>
>>>>> It has been a while since messed with this , got married in there
>>>> somewhere,
>>>>> and also lost the thread. Anyway I do remember that basically the
>>>>> replies
>>>>> were that I would have to change the carrier because the factory
>>>>> carrier
>>>> in
>>>>> my wrangler would not take 4.11 .
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, a lot changed around here about the same time and I am just
>>>>> now
>>>>> getting back around to messing with this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone know what would be easier / cheaper / or even possible :
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) Find a wrecked 03-0? Ruby - will the Dana 44 bolt into my 02
>>>>> Wrangler
>>>>> without mods ?
>>>>> (2) Will the carrier for a 97-0? 2.5/2.4L - Manual ( the manuals are
>>>>> 4.11
>>>> I
>>>>> believe) work as the carrier I need ?
>>>>> (3) Can I use the ring / pinion / carrier out of the manual 4 bangers
>>>>> ?
>>>> or
>>>>> (4) Find a wrecked 97-0? 4 banger TJ with Manual trans (4.11 gears) -
>>>>> will
>>>>> the axles bolt up under my TJ without mods ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there another , non crazy expensive, way to do it that I missed ?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's going to be the wife's daily driver now because she drives a lot
>>>>> less
>>>>> than I do and she loves driving it. I already suggested removing the
>>>>> lift
>>>>> and tires ( I still have all the factory stuff in the garage) and she
>>>>> informed me that wasn't an option... So that isn't an option...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions or info.
>>>>>
>>>>> Farrell Christeson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>>
>>>
>

 

Hrm...

That was $975.00 just for the rear axle.

"FDC" <someone@spammymonkey.com> wrote in message
news:7NXei.4$I5.553@news.more.net...
>
> Dang.
>
> Called around and so far just one salvage yard has a 4 banger with the
> 4.11, they want $975.00 for the thing. Haven't found Ruby at any of them
> but I'm guessing they will be very very $ proud $ of it if I do find one.
>
> My real reason isn't really about gas, the wife drives it 6 blocks to work
> and back because it costs to much in gas for me to drive it 50 - 60 miles
> a day. The problem is about power. Since I put the 33's on it a couple of
> years ago it is really weak in 2 high (does just great off road in 4 low
> but 4 high is worse than worthless ). On the highway you can't use 5th
> gear at all, 5th has 0 power it won't even coast unless your going down
> hill, 4th gear is now 5th gear in that you can not accelerate in 4th gear
> at all and must drop to 3rd gear if your going up even the slightest
> uphill grade. Third gear is the driving gear now, it' does have good power
> in 3rd but it runs at about 3+ grand at 65mph in 3rd gear. Taking off
> from a stop it has to be babied with lots of clutch and lots of gas or the
> jeep shakes and the valves float. I really don't like her driving it even
> just that short distance the way it is, it needs more power for pulling
> out in traffic.
>
> I wonder if it would make any difference to just go up ( numerically) to
> whatever the max is on the 3.07 . I would hate to spend the money, even
> though I would just do the rear at first, only to find out it really
> didn't help at all.
>
> Maybe I can convince her to let me put some 30" tires on it. If I remember
> right, that is what it had from the factory and the power was great until
> I put the 33"s on it.
>
>
> Farrell Christeson
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:467c369f$0$18866$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Yup, you need the whole shebang, not a cheap thing to do.
>>
>> I am lucky and can get by with my 3.31's and 33's, but if I use 5th, it
>> drinks gas. I say with a '4 speed' and forget about OD or 5th and get 23
>> MPG highway.
>>
>> Been doing this for 10 years or so in my C7. I don't crawl rocks on the
>> trails I run so pretty much never even need first low.
>>
>> If I win the lotto I might think on new gears, but.....
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> FDC wrote:
>>> Thanks Bill that is very useful.
>>>
>>> And digging around there brings up :
>>>
>>> " Make sure you get at least a 3.73 since that is the ratio where both
>>> the
>>> front Dana 30 and rear Dana 35 have the larger gear cases that can
>>> accept ratios like the 4.11 and lower (higher, numerically) "
>>>
>>> Ok.. I don't just need the carrier I need the entire gear case ? The
>>> only thing I "don't" have to replace is the axles and tubes ? (and I
>>> know I "should" replace my frail D35's with the more manly D44).
>>>
>>> Confused again. The 4.11 and carrier, even if I have them, will not fit
>>> in my 3.07 gear case ?
>>>
>>> Farrell Christeson
>>>
>>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>> news:467c1c49$0$16377$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...re+gear+ratio+
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "FDC" <someone@spammymonkey.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4VUei.1$I5.129@news.more.net...
>>>>> A while back I ask here about changing the differential gear ratio in
>>>>> my
>>>>> 2002 TJ, 4.0 (had installed a 4" lift and 33" tires, need to change
>>>>> gear
>>>>> ratio)
>>>>>
>>>>> It has been a while since messed with this , got married in there
>>>> somewhere,
>>>>> and also lost the thread. Anyway I do remember that basically the
>>>>> replies
>>>>> were that I would have to change the carrier because the factory
>>>>> carrier
>>>> in
>>>>> my wrangler would not take 4.11 .
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, a lot changed around here about the same time and I am just
>>>>> now
>>>>> getting back around to messing with this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone know what would be easier / cheaper / or even possible :
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) Find a wrecked 03-0? Ruby - will the Dana 44 bolt into my 02
>>>>> Wrangler
>>>>> without mods ?
>>>>> (2) Will the carrier for a 97-0? 2.5/2.4L - Manual ( the manuals are
>>>>> 4.11
>>>> I
>>>>> believe) work as the carrier I need ?
>>>>> (3) Can I use the ring / pinion / carrier out of the manual 4 bangers
>>>>> ?
>>>> or
>>>>> (4) Find a wrecked 97-0? 4 banger TJ with Manual trans (4.11 gears) -
>>>>> will
>>>>> the axles bolt up under my TJ without mods ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there another , non crazy expensive, way to do it that I missed ?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's going to be the wife's daily driver now because she drives a lot
>>>>> less
>>>>> than I do and she loves driving it. I already suggested removing the
>>>>> lift
>>>>> and tires ( I still have all the factory stuff in the garage) and she
>>>>> informed me that wasn't an option... So that isn't an option...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions or info.
>>>>>
>>>>> Farrell Christeson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>>
>>>
>

 

Hrm...

That was $975.00 just for the rear axle.

"FDC" <someone@spammymonkey.com> wrote in message
news:7NXei.4$I5.553@news.more.net...
>
> Dang.
>
> Called around and so far just one salvage yard has a 4 banger with the
> 4.11, they want $975.00 for the thing. Haven't found Ruby at any of them
> but I'm guessing they will be very very $ proud $ of it if I do find one.
>
> My real reason isn't really about gas, the wife drives it 6 blocks to work
> and back because it costs to much in gas for me to drive it 50 - 60 miles
> a day. The problem is about power. Since I put the 33's on it a couple of
> years ago it is really weak in 2 high (does just great off road in 4 low
> but 4 high is worse than worthless ). On the highway you can't use 5th
> gear at all, 5th has 0 power it won't even coast unless your going down
> hill, 4th gear is now 5th gear in that you can not accelerate in 4th gear
> at all and must drop to 3rd gear if your going up even the slightest
> uphill grade. Third gear is the driving gear now, it' does have good power
> in 3rd but it runs at about 3+ grand at 65mph in 3rd gear. Taking off
> from a stop it has to be babied with lots of clutch and lots of gas or the
> jeep shakes and the valves float. I really don't like her driving it even
> just that short distance the way it is, it needs more power for pulling
> out in traffic.
>
> I wonder if it would make any difference to just go up ( numerically) to
> whatever the max is on the 3.07 . I would hate to spend the money, even
> though I would just do the rear at first, only to find out it really
> didn't help at all.
>
> Maybe I can convince her to let me put some 30" tires on it. If I remember
> right, that is what it had from the factory and the power was great until
> I put the 33"s on it.
>
>
> Farrell Christeson
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:467c369f$0$18866$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Yup, you need the whole shebang, not a cheap thing to do.
>>
>> I am lucky and can get by with my 3.31's and 33's, but if I use 5th, it
>> drinks gas. I say with a '4 speed' and forget about OD or 5th and get 23
>> MPG highway.
>>
>> Been doing this for 10 years or so in my C7. I don't crawl rocks on the
>> trails I run so pretty much never even need first low.
>>
>> If I win the lotto I might think on new gears, but.....
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> FDC wrote:
>>> Thanks Bill that is very useful.
>>>
>>> And digging around there brings up :
>>>
>>> " Make sure you get at least a 3.73 since that is the ratio where both
>>> the
>>> front Dana 30 and rear Dana 35 have the larger gear cases that can
>>> accept ratios like the 4.11 and lower (higher, numerically) "
>>>
>>> Ok.. I don't just need the carrier I need the entire gear case ? The
>>> only thing I "don't" have to replace is the axles and tubes ? (and I
>>> know I "should" replace my frail D35's with the more manly D44).
>>>
>>> Confused again. The 4.11 and carrier, even if I have them, will not fit
>>> in my 3.07 gear case ?
>>>
>>> Farrell Christeson
>>>
>>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>> news:467c1c49$0$16377$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...re+gear+ratio+
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "FDC" <someone@spammymonkey.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4VUei.1$I5.129@news.more.net...
>>>>> A while back I ask here about changing the differential gear ratio in
>>>>> my
>>>>> 2002 TJ, 4.0 (had installed a 4" lift and 33" tires, need to change
>>>>> gear
>>>>> ratio)
>>>>>
>>>>> It has been a while since messed with this , got married in there
>>>> somewhere,
>>>>> and also lost the thread. Anyway I do remember that basically the
>>>>> replies
>>>>> were that I would have to change the carrier because the factory
>>>>> carrier
>>>> in
>>>>> my wrangler would not take 4.11 .
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, a lot changed around here about the same time and I am just
>>>>> now
>>>>> getting back around to messing with this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone know what would be easier / cheaper / or even possible :
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) Find a wrecked 03-0? Ruby - will the Dana 44 bolt into my 02
>>>>> Wrangler
>>>>> without mods ?
>>>>> (2) Will the carrier for a 97-0? 2.5/2.4L - Manual ( the manuals are
>>>>> 4.11
>>>> I
>>>>> believe) work as the carrier I need ?
>>>>> (3) Can I use the ring / pinion / carrier out of the manual 4 bangers
>>>>> ?
>>>> or
>>>>> (4) Find a wrecked 97-0? 4 banger TJ with Manual trans (4.11 gears) -
>>>>> will
>>>>> the axles bolt up under my TJ without mods ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there another , non crazy expensive, way to do it that I missed ?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's going to be the wife's daily driver now because she drives a lot
>>>>> less
>>>>> than I do and she loves driving it. I already suggested removing the
>>>>> lift
>>>>> and tires ( I still have all the factory stuff in the garage) and she
>>>>> informed me that wasn't an option... So that isn't an option...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions or info.
>>>>>
>>>>> Farrell Christeson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>>
>>>
>

 

Hrm...

That was $975.00 just for the rear axle.

"FDC" <someone@spammymonkey.com> wrote in message
news:7NXei.4$I5.553@news.more.net...
>
> Dang.
>
> Called around and so far just one salvage yard has a 4 banger with the
> 4.11, they want $975.00 for the thing. Haven't found Ruby at any of them
> but I'm guessing they will be very very $ proud $ of it if I do find one.
>
> My real reason isn't really about gas, the wife drives it 6 blocks to work
> and back because it costs to much in gas for me to drive it 50 - 60 miles
> a day. The problem is about power. Since I put the 33's on it a couple of
> years ago it is really weak in 2 high (does just great off road in 4 low
> but 4 high is worse than worthless ). On the highway you can't use 5th
> gear at all, 5th has 0 power it won't even coast unless your going down
> hill, 4th gear is now 5th gear in that you can not accelerate in 4th gear
> at all and must drop to 3rd gear if your going up even the slightest
> uphill grade. Third gear is the driving gear now, it' does have good power
> in 3rd but it runs at about 3+ grand at 65mph in 3rd gear. Taking off
> from a stop it has to be babied with lots of clutch and lots of gas or the
> jeep shakes and the valves float. I really don't like her driving it even
> just that short distance the way it is, it needs more power for pulling
> out in traffic.
>
> I wonder if it would make any difference to just go up ( numerically) to
> whatever the max is on the 3.07 . I would hate to spend the money, even
> though I would just do the rear at first, only to find out it really
> didn't help at all.
>
> Maybe I can convince her to let me put some 30" tires on it. If I remember
> right, that is what it had from the factory and the power was great until
> I put the 33"s on it.
>
>
> Farrell Christeson
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:467c369f$0$18866$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Yup, you need the whole shebang, not a cheap thing to do.
>>
>> I am lucky and can get by with my 3.31's and 33's, but if I use 5th, it
>> drinks gas. I say with a '4 speed' and forget about OD or 5th and get 23
>> MPG highway.
>>
>> Been doing this for 10 years or so in my C7. I don't crawl rocks on the
>> trails I run so pretty much never even need first low.
>>
>> If I win the lotto I might think on new gears, but.....
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> FDC wrote:
>>> Thanks Bill that is very useful.
>>>
>>> And digging around there brings up :
>>>
>>> " Make sure you get at least a 3.73 since that is the ratio where both
>>> the
>>> front Dana 30 and rear Dana 35 have the larger gear cases that can
>>> accept ratios like the 4.11 and lower (higher, numerically) "
>>>
>>> Ok.. I don't just need the carrier I need the entire gear case ? The
>>> only thing I "don't" have to replace is the axles and tubes ? (and I
>>> know I "should" replace my frail D35's with the more manly D44).
>>>
>>> Confused again. The 4.11 and carrier, even if I have them, will not fit
>>> in my 3.07 gear case ?
>>>
>>> Farrell Christeson
>>>
>>> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>>> news:467c1c49$0$16377$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...re+gear+ratio+
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "FDC" <someone@spammymonkey.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4VUei.1$I5.129@news.more.net...
>>>>> A while back I ask here about changing the differential gear ratio in
>>>>> my
>>>>> 2002 TJ, 4.0 (had installed a 4" lift and 33" tires, need to change
>>>>> gear
>>>>> ratio)
>>>>>
>>>>> It has been a while since messed with this , got married in there
>>>> somewhere,
>>>>> and also lost the thread. Anyway I do remember that basically the
>>>>> replies
>>>>> were that I would have to change the carrier because the factory
>>>>> carrier
>>>> in
>>>>> my wrangler would not take 4.11 .
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, a lot changed around here about the same time and I am just
>>>>> now
>>>>> getting back around to messing with this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone know what would be easier / cheaper / or even possible :
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) Find a wrecked 03-0? Ruby - will the Dana 44 bolt into my 02
>>>>> Wrangler
>>>>> without mods ?
>>>>> (2) Will the carrier for a 97-0? 2.5/2.4L - Manual ( the manuals are
>>>>> 4.11
>>>> I
>>>>> believe) work as the carrier I need ?
>>>>> (3) Can I use the ring / pinion / carrier out of the manual 4 bangers
>>>>> ?
>>>> or
>>>>> (4) Find a wrecked 97-0? 4 banger TJ with Manual trans (4.11 gears) -
>>>>> will
>>>>> the axles bolt up under my TJ without mods ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there another , non crazy expensive, way to do it that I missed ?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's going to be the wife's daily driver now because she drives a lot
>>>>> less
>>>>> than I do and she loves driving it. I already suggested removing the
>>>>> lift
>>>>> and tires ( I still have all the factory stuff in the garage) and she
>>>>> informed me that wasn't an option... So that isn't an option...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions or info.
>>>>>
>>>>> Farrell Christeson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>>>>
>>>
>

 

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:11:38 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<----------@***.net> Amazingly Replied without Prejudice below:


Pirated Software & Troll

Of course I was trolling when I wrote those words. "L.W.(Troll Boy) ------
III"

You know I've never lied. And I don't use foul language, as that
and cross posting are how I've close many of these anonymous coward's
IPs.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


I saw my Doctor using a recorder, and asked about the program,
Dragon Naturally Speaking and he gave me a copy, it works as advertised,
a novelty that gets old.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


I have Auto Cad, too. BFD.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


They were bought and pay for, over four thousand for my Auto Cad,
just not by me.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Fraudulent Tax Reporting

My bills of sales are boxed in the year they were entered into my
tax receipts, It would take hours to go though this year's receipts, let
alone going back ten years. Of course you never making enough to pay
taxes, you wouldn't know about that.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

He calls upon the Lord, who hears him not:

You know I can relate to Jesus, as I've only done good, yet these
little low lifes persist in persecuting me. Pray for them as they know not
what they do.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

LIAR

We don't take wimps like you. Some of our training:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...hine+gun&hl=en
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

It's not required, it's just fun to shoot seven hundred and fifty
bucks a minute. I'd ask what you train with, but you being a felon, you
may not own a firearm, nor vote.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


But we talked. Jesus and me, and we decided to make this group a
crusade, and ------ the holy word of our Father.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Like Jesus, I write only the truth.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


I'm happy living my life, for my Lord, Jesus. You can hang with
the perverts for all I care.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Wrong Again Fool!

That means you're inbred Cajun. I have no french in my ancestry:
http://www.genealogy.com/users/h/u/g.../0004tree.html
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Can't Spell

That is a fact, I'm never wrong, except in spelling and grammar which
have never been important to me.
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Is a Homo

I am a homosexual. period!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


L.W.(Bill) ------ III replied in message 450E4BED.E758656A@***.net:

Like, you know you've ever sucked a sweater ---- than mine?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Bigot

My parent taught me to be truthful and to take responsibility for
myself
and family.
I may be a bigot as I hate Japanese products.
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


:> Your 3.31 actually makes your first four gears a close ratio
:>transmission. like I tried to do with my Corvette Muncie M-22 and 5.38s
:> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
:>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:>
:>
:>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
:>news:467c369f$0$18866$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshos ting.com...
:>> Yup, you need the whole shebang, not a cheap thing to do.
:>>
:>> I am lucky and can get by with my 3.31's and 33's, but if I use 5th, it
:>> drinks gas. I say with a '4 speed' and forget about OD or 5th and get
:>> 23 MPG highway.
:>>
:>> Been doing this for 10 years or so in my C7. I don't crawl rocks on the
:>> trails I run so pretty much never even need first low.
:>>
:>> If I win the lotto I might think on new gears, but.....
:>>
:>> Mike
:>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
:>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
:>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
:>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
:>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)


L.W.(Bill) ------ III replied in message 450E4BED.E758656A@***.net:

Like, you know you've ever sucked a sweater ---- than mine?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

 

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:11:38 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<----------@***.net> Amazingly Replied without Prejudice below:


Pirated Software & Troll

Of course I was trolling when I wrote those words. "L.W.(Troll Boy) ------
III"

You know I've never lied. And I don't use foul language, as that
and cross posting are how I've close many of these anonymous coward's
IPs.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


I saw my Doctor using a recorder, and asked about the program,
Dragon Naturally Speaking and he gave me a copy, it works as advertised,
a novelty that gets old.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


I have Auto Cad, too. BFD.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


They were bought and pay for, over four thousand for my Auto Cad,
just not by me.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Fraudulent Tax Reporting

My bills of sales are boxed in the year they were entered into my
tax receipts, It would take hours to go though this year's receipts, let
alone going back ten years. Of course you never making enough to pay
taxes, you wouldn't know about that.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

He calls upon the Lord, who hears him not:

You know I can relate to Jesus, as I've only done good, yet these
little low lifes persist in persecuting me. Pray for them as they know not
what they do.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

LIAR

We don't take wimps like you. Some of our training:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...hine+gun&hl=en
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

It's not required, it's just fun to shoot seven hundred and fifty
bucks a minute. I'd ask what you train with, but you being a felon, you
may not own a firearm, nor vote.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


But we talked. Jesus and me, and we decided to make this group a
crusade, and ------ the holy word of our Father.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Like Jesus, I write only the truth.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


I'm happy living my life, for my Lord, Jesus. You can hang with
the perverts for all I care.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Wrong Again Fool!

That means you're inbred Cajun. I have no french in my ancestry:
http://www.genealogy.com/users/h/u/g.../0004tree.html
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Can't Spell

That is a fact, I'm never wrong, except in spelling and grammar which
have never been important to me.
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Is a Homo

I am a homosexual. period!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


L.W.(Bill) ------ III replied in message 450E4BED.E758656A@***.net:

Like, you know you've ever sucked a sweater ---- than mine?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Bigot

My parent taught me to be truthful and to take responsibility for
myself
and family.
I may be a bigot as I hate Japanese products.
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


:> Your 3.31 actually makes your first four gears a close ratio
:>transmission. like I tried to do with my Corvette Muncie M-22 and 5.38s
:> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
:>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:>
:>
:>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
:>news:467c369f$0$18866$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshos ting.com...
:>> Yup, you need the whole shebang, not a cheap thing to do.
:>>
:>> I am lucky and can get by with my 3.31's and 33's, but if I use 5th, it
:>> drinks gas. I say with a '4 speed' and forget about OD or 5th and get
:>> 23 MPG highway.
:>>
:>> Been doing this for 10 years or so in my C7. I don't crawl rocks on the
:>> trails I run so pretty much never even need first low.
:>>
:>> If I win the lotto I might think on new gears, but.....
:>>
:>> Mike
:>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
:>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
:>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
:>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
:>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)


L.W.(Bill) ------ III replied in message 450E4BED.E758656A@***.net:

Like, you know you've ever sucked a sweater ---- than mine?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

 

On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:11:38 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<----------@***.net> Amazingly Replied without Prejudice below:


Pirated Software & Troll

Of course I was trolling when I wrote those words. "L.W.(Troll Boy) ------
III"

You know I've never lied. And I don't use foul language, as that
and cross posting are how I've close many of these anonymous coward's
IPs.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


I saw my Doctor using a recorder, and asked about the program,
Dragon Naturally Speaking and he gave me a copy, it works as advertised,
a novelty that gets old.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


I have Auto Cad, too. BFD.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


They were bought and pay for, over four thousand for my Auto Cad,
just not by me.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Fraudulent Tax Reporting

My bills of sales are boxed in the year they were entered into my
tax receipts, It would take hours to go though this year's receipts, let
alone going back ten years. Of course you never making enough to pay
taxes, you wouldn't know about that.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

He calls upon the Lord, who hears him not:

You know I can relate to Jesus, as I've only done good, yet these
little low lifes persist in persecuting me. Pray for them as they know not
what they do.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

LIAR

We don't take wimps like you. Some of our training:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...hine+gun&hl=en
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

It's not required, it's just fun to shoot seven hundred and fifty
bucks a minute. I'd ask what you train with, but you being a felon, you
may not own a firearm, nor vote.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


But we talked. Jesus and me, and we decided to make this group a
crusade, and ------ the holy word of our Father.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Like Jesus, I write only the truth.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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I'm happy living my life, for my Lord, Jesus. You can hang with
the perverts for all I care.
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Wrong Again Fool!

That means you're inbred Cajun. I have no french in my ancestry:
http://www.genealogy.com/users/h/u/g.../0004tree.html
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Can't Spell

That is a fact, I'm never wrong, except in spelling and grammar which
have never been important to me.
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Is a Homo

I am a homosexual. period!
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L.W.(Bill) ------ III replied in message 450E4BED.E758656A@***.net:

Like, you know you've ever sucked a sweater ---- than mine?
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Bigot

My parent taught me to be truthful and to take responsibility for
myself
and family.
I may be a bigot as I hate Japanese products.
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:> Your 3.31 actually makes your first four gears a close ratio
:>transmission. like I tried to do with my Corvette Muncie M-22 and 5.38s
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:>
:>
:>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
:>news:467c369f$0$18866$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshos ting.com...
:>> Yup, you need the whole shebang, not a cheap thing to do.
:>>
:>> I am lucky and can get by with my 3.31's and 33's, but if I use 5th, it
:>> drinks gas. I say with a '4 speed' and forget about OD or 5th and get
:>> 23 MPG highway.
:>>
:>> Been doing this for 10 years or so in my C7. I don't crawl rocks on the
:>> trails I run so pretty much never even need first low.
:>>
:>> If I win the lotto I might think on new gears, but.....
:>>
:>> Mike
:>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
:>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
:>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
:>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
:>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)


L.W.(Bill) ------ III replied in message 450E4BED.E758656A@***.net:

Like, you know you've ever sucked a sweater ---- than mine?
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