Easiest cheapest way to change to 4.11:1
06-22-2007, 08:00 PM
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Re: Re: Easiest cheapest way to change to 4.11:1
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:10:27 -0500, "FDC" <someone@spammymonkey.com>
wrote:
>I wonder if it would make any difference to just go up ( numerically) to
>whatever the max is on the 3.07 . I would hate to spend the money, even
>though I would just do the rear at first, only to find out it really didn't
The max with current carrier in front is 3.54, in rear it is a 3.31 so
you are stuck with a 3.31 which is not worth effort. If you want to
pinch pennies try a ford 8.8 out of a 95 to 02 explorer in a 3.54 as
it is darn near a bolt in and a lot stronger and regear front to 3.54.
It would be marginal but a lot better than what you have now. If you
are consider a axle swap, I would swap to something stronger than a 35
in rear be it a D44 or ford 8.8 and I would not swap in a new 35 for
33's or bigger tires "IF" you are going to swap the whole axle out.
BTW as I mentioned in a earlier post the ford 8.8 has no carrier break
and has a 1.3 inch bigger diameter ring gear than a 35 and can go as
low as a 6.14 (not that you want to)
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TheSnoMan.com
wrote:
>I wonder if it would make any difference to just go up ( numerically) to
>whatever the max is on the 3.07 . I would hate to spend the money, even
>though I would just do the rear at first, only to find out it really didn't
The max with current carrier in front is 3.54, in rear it is a 3.31 so
you are stuck with a 3.31 which is not worth effort. If you want to
pinch pennies try a ford 8.8 out of a 95 to 02 explorer in a 3.54 as
it is darn near a bolt in and a lot stronger and regear front to 3.54.
It would be marginal but a lot better than what you have now. If you
are consider a axle swap, I would swap to something stronger than a 35
in rear be it a D44 or ford 8.8 and I would not swap in a new 35 for
33's or bigger tires "IF" you are going to swap the whole axle out.
BTW as I mentioned in a earlier post the ford 8.8 has no carrier break
and has a 1.3 inch bigger diameter ring gear than a 35 and can go as
low as a 6.14 (not that you want to)
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TheSnoMan.com
06-22-2007, 08:00 PM
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Re: Re: Easiest cheapest way to change to 4.11:1
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:10:27 -0500, "FDC" <someone@spammymonkey.com>
wrote:
>I wonder if it would make any difference to just go up ( numerically) to
>whatever the max is on the 3.07 . I would hate to spend the money, even
>though I would just do the rear at first, only to find out it really didn't
The max with current carrier in front is 3.54, in rear it is a 3.31 so
you are stuck with a 3.31 which is not worth effort. If you want to
pinch pennies try a ford 8.8 out of a 95 to 02 explorer in a 3.54 as
it is darn near a bolt in and a lot stronger and regear front to 3.54.
It would be marginal but a lot better than what you have now. If you
are consider a axle swap, I would swap to something stronger than a 35
in rear be it a D44 or ford 8.8 and I would not swap in a new 35 for
33's or bigger tires "IF" you are going to swap the whole axle out.
BTW as I mentioned in a earlier post the ford 8.8 has no carrier break
and has a 1.3 inch bigger diameter ring gear than a 35 and can go as
low as a 6.14 (not that you want to)
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TheSnoMan.com
wrote:
>I wonder if it would make any difference to just go up ( numerically) to
>whatever the max is on the 3.07 . I would hate to spend the money, even
>though I would just do the rear at first, only to find out it really didn't
The max with current carrier in front is 3.54, in rear it is a 3.31 so
you are stuck with a 3.31 which is not worth effort. If you want to
pinch pennies try a ford 8.8 out of a 95 to 02 explorer in a 3.54 as
it is darn near a bolt in and a lot stronger and regear front to 3.54.
It would be marginal but a lot better than what you have now. If you
are consider a axle swap, I would swap to something stronger than a 35
in rear be it a D44 or ford 8.8 and I would not swap in a new 35 for
33's or bigger tires "IF" you are going to swap the whole axle out.
BTW as I mentioned in a earlier post the ford 8.8 has no carrier break
and has a 1.3 inch bigger diameter ring gear than a 35 and can go as
low as a 6.14 (not that you want to)
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TheSnoMan.com
06-22-2007, 08:00 PM
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Re: Re: Easiest cheapest way to change to 4.11:1
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:10:27 -0500, "FDC" <someone@spammymonkey.com>
wrote:
>I wonder if it would make any difference to just go up ( numerically) to
>whatever the max is on the 3.07 . I would hate to spend the money, even
>though I would just do the rear at first, only to find out it really didn't
The max with current carrier in front is 3.54, in rear it is a 3.31 so
you are stuck with a 3.31 which is not worth effort. If you want to
pinch pennies try a ford 8.8 out of a 95 to 02 explorer in a 3.54 as
it is darn near a bolt in and a lot stronger and regear front to 3.54.
It would be marginal but a lot better than what you have now. If you
are consider a axle swap, I would swap to something stronger than a 35
in rear be it a D44 or ford 8.8 and I would not swap in a new 35 for
33's or bigger tires "IF" you are going to swap the whole axle out.
BTW as I mentioned in a earlier post the ford 8.8 has no carrier break
and has a 1.3 inch bigger diameter ring gear than a 35 and can go as
low as a 6.14 (not that you want to)
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
wrote:
>I wonder if it would make any difference to just go up ( numerically) to
>whatever the max is on the 3.07 . I would hate to spend the money, even
>though I would just do the rear at first, only to find out it really didn't
The max with current carrier in front is 3.54, in rear it is a 3.31 so
you are stuck with a 3.31 which is not worth effort. If you want to
pinch pennies try a ford 8.8 out of a 95 to 02 explorer in a 3.54 as
it is darn near a bolt in and a lot stronger and regear front to 3.54.
It would be marginal but a lot better than what you have now. If you
are consider a axle swap, I would swap to something stronger than a 35
in rear be it a D44 or ford 8.8 and I would not swap in a new 35 for
33's or bigger tires "IF" you are going to swap the whole axle out.
BTW as I mentioned in a earlier post the ford 8.8 has no carrier break
and has a 1.3 inch bigger diameter ring gear than a 35 and can go as
low as a 6.14 (not that you want to)
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
06-22-2007, 08:23 PM
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Re: Easiest cheapest way to change to 4.11:1
"FDC" <someone@spammymonkey.com> wrote in message
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>
> Maybe I can convince her to let me put some 30" tires on it. If I remember
> right, that is what it had from the factory and the power was great until
> I put the 33"s on it.
>
If it had 30" tires on it from the factory it should have 3.73 gears in it.
The 30" tire/wheel group came with 3.73 gears, in which case there would be
no problems going to 4.10s. I have 4.56's in my '00, came from factory with
3.73's, and I didn;t have to change out the carrier, although I did on the
front when I had a True Trac installed.
Have you verified your final-drive ratio?
Matt
06-22-2007, 08:23 PM
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Re: Easiest cheapest way to change to 4.11:1
"FDC" <someone@spammymonkey.com> wrote in message
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>
> Maybe I can convince her to let me put some 30" tires on it. If I remember
> right, that is what it had from the factory and the power was great until
> I put the 33"s on it.
>
If it had 30" tires on it from the factory it should have 3.73 gears in it.
The 30" tire/wheel group came with 3.73 gears, in which case there would be
no problems going to 4.10s. I have 4.56's in my '00, came from factory with
3.73's, and I didn;t have to change out the carrier, although I did on the
front when I had a True Trac installed.
Have you verified your final-drive ratio?
Matt
06-22-2007, 08:23 PM
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Re: Easiest cheapest way to change to 4.11:1
"FDC" <someone@spammymonkey.com> wrote in message
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>
> Maybe I can convince her to let me put some 30" tires on it. If I remember
> right, that is what it had from the factory and the power was great until
> I put the 33"s on it.
>
If it had 30" tires on it from the factory it should have 3.73 gears in it.
The 30" tire/wheel group came with 3.73 gears, in which case there would be
no problems going to 4.10s. I have 4.56's in my '00, came from factory with
3.73's, and I didn;t have to change out the carrier, although I did on the
front when I had a True Trac installed.
Have you verified your final-drive ratio?
Matt
06-22-2007, 08:23 PM
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Re: Easiest cheapest way to change to 4.11:1
"FDC" <someone@spammymonkey.com> wrote in message
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>
> Maybe I can convince her to let me put some 30" tires on it. If I remember
> right, that is what it had from the factory and the power was great until
> I put the 33"s on it.
>
If it had 30" tires on it from the factory it should have 3.73 gears in it.
The 30" tire/wheel group came with 3.73 gears, in which case there would be
no problems going to 4.10s. I have 4.56's in my '00, came from factory with
3.73's, and I didn;t have to change out the carrier, although I did on the
front when I had a True Trac installed.
Have you verified your final-drive ratio?
Matt
06-22-2007, 08:57 PM
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Re: Easiest cheapest way to change to 4.11:1
On Jun 22, 11:54 am, "FDC" <some...@spammymonkey.com> wrote:
> A while back I ask here about changing the differential gear ratio in my
> 2002 TJ, 4.0 (had installed a 4" lift and 33" tires, need to change gear
> ratio)
>
> It has been a while since messed with this , got married in there somewhere,
> and also lost the thread. Anyway I do remember that basically the replies
> were that I would have to change the carrier because the factory carrier in
> my wrangler would not take 4.11 .
>
> Anyway, a lot changed around here about the same time and I am just now
> getting back around to messing with this.
>
> Anyone know what would be easier / cheaper / or even possible :
>
> (1) Find a wrecked 03-0? Ruby - will the Dana 44 bolt into my 02 Wrangler
> without mods ?
> (2) Will the carrier for a 97-0? 2.5/2.4L - Manual ( the manuals are 4.11 I
> believe) work as the carrier I need ?
> (3) Can I use the ring / pinion / carrier out of the manual 4 bangers ? or
> (4) Find a wrecked 97-0? 4 banger TJ with Manual trans (4.11 gears) - will
> the axles bolt up under my TJ without mods ?
>
> Is there another , non crazy expensive, way to do it that I missed ?
>
> It's going to be the wife's daily driver now because she drives a lot less
> than I do and she loves driving it. I already suggested removing the lift
> and tires ( I still have all the factory stuff in the garage) and she
> informed me that wasn't an option... So that isn't an option...
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions or info.
>
> Farrell Christeson
Hi Farrell,
I have an auto 05 rubicon running 33's with the stock 4.10 (or 4.11?)
gearing, with all the extra junk, winch bumpers, jack, trail rack,
etc, etc. My next mod will be to go to 4.56 if I don't ever go to
35's. I don't know how the manual trans equates to my auto, but my
jeep is NOT happy at all on any type of incline loaded with gear for
the trail. Over drive? whats that. hehe! something to consider
anyway.
Take care,
> A while back I ask here about changing the differential gear ratio in my
> 2002 TJ, 4.0 (had installed a 4" lift and 33" tires, need to change gear
> ratio)
>
> It has been a while since messed with this , got married in there somewhere,
> and also lost the thread. Anyway I do remember that basically the replies
> were that I would have to change the carrier because the factory carrier in
> my wrangler would not take 4.11 .
>
> Anyway, a lot changed around here about the same time and I am just now
> getting back around to messing with this.
>
> Anyone know what would be easier / cheaper / or even possible :
>
> (1) Find a wrecked 03-0? Ruby - will the Dana 44 bolt into my 02 Wrangler
> without mods ?
> (2) Will the carrier for a 97-0? 2.5/2.4L - Manual ( the manuals are 4.11 I
> believe) work as the carrier I need ?
> (3) Can I use the ring / pinion / carrier out of the manual 4 bangers ? or
> (4) Find a wrecked 97-0? 4 banger TJ with Manual trans (4.11 gears) - will
> the axles bolt up under my TJ without mods ?
>
> Is there another , non crazy expensive, way to do it that I missed ?
>
> It's going to be the wife's daily driver now because she drives a lot less
> than I do and she loves driving it. I already suggested removing the lift
> and tires ( I still have all the factory stuff in the garage) and she
> informed me that wasn't an option... So that isn't an option...
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions or info.
>
> Farrell Christeson
Hi Farrell,
I have an auto 05 rubicon running 33's with the stock 4.10 (or 4.11?)
gearing, with all the extra junk, winch bumpers, jack, trail rack,
etc, etc. My next mod will be to go to 4.56 if I don't ever go to
35's. I don't know how the manual trans equates to my auto, but my
jeep is NOT happy at all on any type of incline loaded with gear for
the trail. Over drive? whats that. hehe! something to consider
anyway.
Take care,
06-22-2007, 08:57 PM
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Re: Easiest cheapest way to change to 4.11:1
On Jun 22, 11:54 am, "FDC" <some...@spammymonkey.com> wrote:
> A while back I ask here about changing the differential gear ratio in my
> 2002 TJ, 4.0 (had installed a 4" lift and 33" tires, need to change gear
> ratio)
>
> It has been a while since messed with this , got married in there somewhere,
> and also lost the thread. Anyway I do remember that basically the replies
> were that I would have to change the carrier because the factory carrier in
> my wrangler would not take 4.11 .
>
> Anyway, a lot changed around here about the same time and I am just now
> getting back around to messing with this.
>
> Anyone know what would be easier / cheaper / or even possible :
>
> (1) Find a wrecked 03-0? Ruby - will the Dana 44 bolt into my 02 Wrangler
> without mods ?
> (2) Will the carrier for a 97-0? 2.5/2.4L - Manual ( the manuals are 4.11 I
> believe) work as the carrier I need ?
> (3) Can I use the ring / pinion / carrier out of the manual 4 bangers ? or
> (4) Find a wrecked 97-0? 4 banger TJ with Manual trans (4.11 gears) - will
> the axles bolt up under my TJ without mods ?
>
> Is there another , non crazy expensive, way to do it that I missed ?
>
> It's going to be the wife's daily driver now because she drives a lot less
> than I do and she loves driving it. I already suggested removing the lift
> and tires ( I still have all the factory stuff in the garage) and she
> informed me that wasn't an option... So that isn't an option...
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions or info.
>
> Farrell Christeson
Hi Farrell,
I have an auto 05 rubicon running 33's with the stock 4.10 (or 4.11?)
gearing, with all the extra junk, winch bumpers, jack, trail rack,
etc, etc. My next mod will be to go to 4.56 if I don't ever go to
35's. I don't know how the manual trans equates to my auto, but my
jeep is NOT happy at all on any type of incline loaded with gear for
the trail. Over drive? whats that. hehe! something to consider
anyway.
Take care,
> A while back I ask here about changing the differential gear ratio in my
> 2002 TJ, 4.0 (had installed a 4" lift and 33" tires, need to change gear
> ratio)
>
> It has been a while since messed with this , got married in there somewhere,
> and also lost the thread. Anyway I do remember that basically the replies
> were that I would have to change the carrier because the factory carrier in
> my wrangler would not take 4.11 .
>
> Anyway, a lot changed around here about the same time and I am just now
> getting back around to messing with this.
>
> Anyone know what would be easier / cheaper / or even possible :
>
> (1) Find a wrecked 03-0? Ruby - will the Dana 44 bolt into my 02 Wrangler
> without mods ?
> (2) Will the carrier for a 97-0? 2.5/2.4L - Manual ( the manuals are 4.11 I
> believe) work as the carrier I need ?
> (3) Can I use the ring / pinion / carrier out of the manual 4 bangers ? or
> (4) Find a wrecked 97-0? 4 banger TJ with Manual trans (4.11 gears) - will
> the axles bolt up under my TJ without mods ?
>
> Is there another , non crazy expensive, way to do it that I missed ?
>
> It's going to be the wife's daily driver now because she drives a lot less
> than I do and she loves driving it. I already suggested removing the lift
> and tires ( I still have all the factory stuff in the garage) and she
> informed me that wasn't an option... So that isn't an option...
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions or info.
>
> Farrell Christeson
Hi Farrell,
I have an auto 05 rubicon running 33's with the stock 4.10 (or 4.11?)
gearing, with all the extra junk, winch bumpers, jack, trail rack,
etc, etc. My next mod will be to go to 4.56 if I don't ever go to
35's. I don't know how the manual trans equates to my auto, but my
jeep is NOT happy at all on any type of incline loaded with gear for
the trail. Over drive? whats that. hehe! something to consider
anyway.
Take care,
06-22-2007, 08:57 PM
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Re: Easiest cheapest way to change to 4.11:1
On Jun 22, 11:54 am, "FDC" <some...@spammymonkey.com> wrote:
> A while back I ask here about changing the differential gear ratio in my
> 2002 TJ, 4.0 (had installed a 4" lift and 33" tires, need to change gear
> ratio)
>
> It has been a while since messed with this , got married in there somewhere,
> and also lost the thread. Anyway I do remember that basically the replies
> were that I would have to change the carrier because the factory carrier in
> my wrangler would not take 4.11 .
>
> Anyway, a lot changed around here about the same time and I am just now
> getting back around to messing with this.
>
> Anyone know what would be easier / cheaper / or even possible :
>
> (1) Find a wrecked 03-0? Ruby - will the Dana 44 bolt into my 02 Wrangler
> without mods ?
> (2) Will the carrier for a 97-0? 2.5/2.4L - Manual ( the manuals are 4.11 I
> believe) work as the carrier I need ?
> (3) Can I use the ring / pinion / carrier out of the manual 4 bangers ? or
> (4) Find a wrecked 97-0? 4 banger TJ with Manual trans (4.11 gears) - will
> the axles bolt up under my TJ without mods ?
>
> Is there another , non crazy expensive, way to do it that I missed ?
>
> It's going to be the wife's daily driver now because she drives a lot less
> than I do and she loves driving it. I already suggested removing the lift
> and tires ( I still have all the factory stuff in the garage) and she
> informed me that wasn't an option... So that isn't an option...
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions or info.
>
> Farrell Christeson
Hi Farrell,
I have an auto 05 rubicon running 33's with the stock 4.10 (or 4.11?)
gearing, with all the extra junk, winch bumpers, jack, trail rack,
etc, etc. My next mod will be to go to 4.56 if I don't ever go to
35's. I don't know how the manual trans equates to my auto, but my
jeep is NOT happy at all on any type of incline loaded with gear for
the trail. Over drive? whats that. hehe! something to consider
anyway.
Take care,
> A while back I ask here about changing the differential gear ratio in my
> 2002 TJ, 4.0 (had installed a 4" lift and 33" tires, need to change gear
> ratio)
>
> It has been a while since messed with this , got married in there somewhere,
> and also lost the thread. Anyway I do remember that basically the replies
> were that I would have to change the carrier because the factory carrier in
> my wrangler would not take 4.11 .
>
> Anyway, a lot changed around here about the same time and I am just now
> getting back around to messing with this.
>
> Anyone know what would be easier / cheaper / or even possible :
>
> (1) Find a wrecked 03-0? Ruby - will the Dana 44 bolt into my 02 Wrangler
> without mods ?
> (2) Will the carrier for a 97-0? 2.5/2.4L - Manual ( the manuals are 4.11 I
> believe) work as the carrier I need ?
> (3) Can I use the ring / pinion / carrier out of the manual 4 bangers ? or
> (4) Find a wrecked 97-0? 4 banger TJ with Manual trans (4.11 gears) - will
> the axles bolt up under my TJ without mods ?
>
> Is there another , non crazy expensive, way to do it that I missed ?
>
> It's going to be the wife's daily driver now because she drives a lot less
> than I do and she loves driving it. I already suggested removing the lift
> and tires ( I still have all the factory stuff in the garage) and she
> informed me that wasn't an option... So that isn't an option...
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions or info.
>
> Farrell Christeson
Hi Farrell,
I have an auto 05 rubicon running 33's with the stock 4.10 (or 4.11?)
gearing, with all the extra junk, winch bumpers, jack, trail rack,
etc, etc. My next mod will be to go to 4.56 if I don't ever go to
35's. I don't know how the manual trans equates to my auto, but my
jeep is NOT happy at all on any type of incline loaded with gear for
the trail. Over drive? whats that. hehe! something to consider
anyway.
Take care,