Diesel Liberty
#321
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Re: Diesel Liberty
Kate,
These magazine guys have the advantage, that they haven't spent a pile
of --their own money-- on the vehicle in question. They can be assumed to
be relatively free from denial, and one can maybe trust them to be a little
more objective than you were about your baby. On the other hand, one knows
that they take bribes and all sorts of perks from the manufacturers, so it
all kind of evens out. Still, it --never-- hurts to seek a second opinion.
Of course, if my wife had listened to second opinions, she never would have
married me. (Most of the second opinions came from people, who have since
been divorced, some of them bitterly, for decades now. Heh, heh.)
Earle
"Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
news:BhO_f.5984$x63.3484@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Mark Perrin" <ms.perrin@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:j6F_f.2176$WI1.1683@pd7tw2no...
> : Ewan,
> :
> : Another question: is there a consumer website in the UK that rates these
> : vehicles? We have one here called consumerreports.org but they say they
> : don't have enough data on the diesel liberty. The gas liberty is one of
> : their recommended vehicles.
> :
> : BTW, I had no idea this question would generate so much conversation ;-)
> :
> : Thanks!
> :
> : Mark
> :
>
> I was sitting in the doctor's office about three weeks ago and came upon
an
> article where they compared some SUVs.
> There were 4 in the pack, one a Liberty, one the Exterra, another an
Hummer
> and the fourth some bohemian Honda I think.
>
> The Liberty did not fare well. It came out second to last in the group. I
> sure wish I could remember what mag it was in.
>
> At the end of the day though all of the articles and reviews don't mean
> squat.
> They are based on one person's opinion, not yours. WHen I read the
article,
> I was driving a Liberty and I thought to myself "those guys have no idea
> what the hell they are talking about when it comes to this vehicle."
>
> If it is what you REALLY want then you should have it.
>
>
>
These magazine guys have the advantage, that they haven't spent a pile
of --their own money-- on the vehicle in question. They can be assumed to
be relatively free from denial, and one can maybe trust them to be a little
more objective than you were about your baby. On the other hand, one knows
that they take bribes and all sorts of perks from the manufacturers, so it
all kind of evens out. Still, it --never-- hurts to seek a second opinion.
Of course, if my wife had listened to second opinions, she never would have
married me. (Most of the second opinions came from people, who have since
been divorced, some of them bitterly, for decades now. Heh, heh.)
Earle
"Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
news:BhO_f.5984$x63.3484@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Mark Perrin" <ms.perrin@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:j6F_f.2176$WI1.1683@pd7tw2no...
> : Ewan,
> :
> : Another question: is there a consumer website in the UK that rates these
> : vehicles? We have one here called consumerreports.org but they say they
> : don't have enough data on the diesel liberty. The gas liberty is one of
> : their recommended vehicles.
> :
> : BTW, I had no idea this question would generate so much conversation ;-)
> :
> : Thanks!
> :
> : Mark
> :
>
> I was sitting in the doctor's office about three weeks ago and came upon
an
> article where they compared some SUVs.
> There were 4 in the pack, one a Liberty, one the Exterra, another an
Hummer
> and the fourth some bohemian Honda I think.
>
> The Liberty did not fare well. It came out second to last in the group. I
> sure wish I could remember what mag it was in.
>
> At the end of the day though all of the articles and reviews don't mean
> squat.
> They are based on one person's opinion, not yours. WHen I read the
article,
> I was driving a Liberty and I thought to myself "those guys have no idea
> what the hell they are talking about when it comes to this vehicle."
>
> If it is what you REALLY want then you should have it.
>
>
>
#322
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Re: Diesel Liberty
Kate,
These magazine guys have the advantage, that they haven't spent a pile
of --their own money-- on the vehicle in question. They can be assumed to
be relatively free from denial, and one can maybe trust them to be a little
more objective than you were about your baby. On the other hand, one knows
that they take bribes and all sorts of perks from the manufacturers, so it
all kind of evens out. Still, it --never-- hurts to seek a second opinion.
Of course, if my wife had listened to second opinions, she never would have
married me. (Most of the second opinions came from people, who have since
been divorced, some of them bitterly, for decades now. Heh, heh.)
Earle
"Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
news:BhO_f.5984$x63.3484@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Mark Perrin" <ms.perrin@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:j6F_f.2176$WI1.1683@pd7tw2no...
> : Ewan,
> :
> : Another question: is there a consumer website in the UK that rates these
> : vehicles? We have one here called consumerreports.org but they say they
> : don't have enough data on the diesel liberty. The gas liberty is one of
> : their recommended vehicles.
> :
> : BTW, I had no idea this question would generate so much conversation ;-)
> :
> : Thanks!
> :
> : Mark
> :
>
> I was sitting in the doctor's office about three weeks ago and came upon
an
> article where they compared some SUVs.
> There were 4 in the pack, one a Liberty, one the Exterra, another an
Hummer
> and the fourth some bohemian Honda I think.
>
> The Liberty did not fare well. It came out second to last in the group. I
> sure wish I could remember what mag it was in.
>
> At the end of the day though all of the articles and reviews don't mean
> squat.
> They are based on one person's opinion, not yours. WHen I read the
article,
> I was driving a Liberty and I thought to myself "those guys have no idea
> what the hell they are talking about when it comes to this vehicle."
>
> If it is what you REALLY want then you should have it.
>
>
>
These magazine guys have the advantage, that they haven't spent a pile
of --their own money-- on the vehicle in question. They can be assumed to
be relatively free from denial, and one can maybe trust them to be a little
more objective than you were about your baby. On the other hand, one knows
that they take bribes and all sorts of perks from the manufacturers, so it
all kind of evens out. Still, it --never-- hurts to seek a second opinion.
Of course, if my wife had listened to second opinions, she never would have
married me. (Most of the second opinions came from people, who have since
been divorced, some of them bitterly, for decades now. Heh, heh.)
Earle
"Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
news:BhO_f.5984$x63.3484@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Mark Perrin" <ms.perrin@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:j6F_f.2176$WI1.1683@pd7tw2no...
> : Ewan,
> :
> : Another question: is there a consumer website in the UK that rates these
> : vehicles? We have one here called consumerreports.org but they say they
> : don't have enough data on the diesel liberty. The gas liberty is one of
> : their recommended vehicles.
> :
> : BTW, I had no idea this question would generate so much conversation ;-)
> :
> : Thanks!
> :
> : Mark
> :
>
> I was sitting in the doctor's office about three weeks ago and came upon
an
> article where they compared some SUVs.
> There were 4 in the pack, one a Liberty, one the Exterra, another an
Hummer
> and the fourth some bohemian Honda I think.
>
> The Liberty did not fare well. It came out second to last in the group. I
> sure wish I could remember what mag it was in.
>
> At the end of the day though all of the articles and reviews don't mean
> squat.
> They are based on one person's opinion, not yours. WHen I read the
article,
> I was driving a Liberty and I thought to myself "those guys have no idea
> what the hell they are talking about when it comes to this vehicle."
>
> If it is what you REALLY want then you should have it.
>
>
>
#326
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Re: Diesel Liberty
"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
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: Kate,
:
: These magazine guys have the advantage, that they haven't spent a pile
: of --their own money-- on the vehicle in question. They can be assumed to
: be relatively free from denial, and one can maybe trust them to be a
little
: more objective than you were about your baby. On the other hand, one
knows
: that they take bribes and all sorts of perks from the manufacturers, so it
: all kind of evens out. Still, it --never-- hurts to seek a second
opinion.
: Of course, if my wife had listened to second opinions, she never would
have
: married me. (Most of the second opinions came from people, who have since
: been divorced, some of them bitterly, for decades now. Heh, heh.)
:
: Earle
:
Good for Mrs. Earle!
I always feel that getting a second opinion is a good way to confirm what
you already believe.
Whether the 2nd opinion agrees with yours or not.
;-)
Kate
#327
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Re: Diesel Liberty
"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:443bb32e$0$14935$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
: Kate,
:
: These magazine guys have the advantage, that they haven't spent a pile
: of --their own money-- on the vehicle in question. They can be assumed to
: be relatively free from denial, and one can maybe trust them to be a
little
: more objective than you were about your baby. On the other hand, one
knows
: that they take bribes and all sorts of perks from the manufacturers, so it
: all kind of evens out. Still, it --never-- hurts to seek a second
opinion.
: Of course, if my wife had listened to second opinions, she never would
have
: married me. (Most of the second opinions came from people, who have since
: been divorced, some of them bitterly, for decades now. Heh, heh.)
:
: Earle
:
Good for Mrs. Earle!
I always feel that getting a second opinion is a good way to confirm what
you already believe.
Whether the 2nd opinion agrees with yours or not.
;-)
Kate
#328
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Re: Diesel Liberty
"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:443bb32e$0$14935$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
: Kate,
:
: These magazine guys have the advantage, that they haven't spent a pile
: of --their own money-- on the vehicle in question. They can be assumed to
: be relatively free from denial, and one can maybe trust them to be a
little
: more objective than you were about your baby. On the other hand, one
knows
: that they take bribes and all sorts of perks from the manufacturers, so it
: all kind of evens out. Still, it --never-- hurts to seek a second
opinion.
: Of course, if my wife had listened to second opinions, she never would
have
: married me. (Most of the second opinions came from people, who have since
: been divorced, some of them bitterly, for decades now. Heh, heh.)
:
: Earle
:
Good for Mrs. Earle!
I always feel that getting a second opinion is a good way to confirm what
you already believe.
Whether the 2nd opinion agrees with yours or not.
;-)
Kate
#329
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Re: Diesel Liberty
even standing next to the lib u can not sme ll the fumes. let alone barely hear
it run
the design of that engine in the liberty was well thought out
Mike Romain wrote:
> My CJ7 gets 589 NO2 and 0.11% CO with no catalytic converter in the
> stream....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > So what? The only way to clean NO2 and CO from gasoline engine exhaust is to
> > use a catalyst in the exhaust flow.
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:44343FD3.40596D55@***.net...
> > > That is pure unadulterated bullsh*t! The only way to clean the
> > > diesel soot from our air is use an exhaust filter like all diesels sold
> > > in the U.S.of A.
it run
the design of that engine in the liberty was well thought out
Mike Romain wrote:
> My CJ7 gets 589 NO2 and 0.11% CO with no catalytic converter in the
> stream....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > So what? The only way to clean NO2 and CO from gasoline engine exhaust is to
> > use a catalyst in the exhaust flow.
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:44343FD3.40596D55@***.net...
> > > That is pure unadulterated bullsh*t! The only way to clean the
> > > diesel soot from our air is use an exhaust filter like all diesels sold
> > > in the U.S.of A.
#330
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Diesel Liberty
even standing next to the lib u can not sme ll the fumes. let alone barely hear
it run
the design of that engine in the liberty was well thought out
Mike Romain wrote:
> My CJ7 gets 589 NO2 and 0.11% CO with no catalytic converter in the
> stream....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > So what? The only way to clean NO2 and CO from gasoline engine exhaust is to
> > use a catalyst in the exhaust flow.
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:44343FD3.40596D55@***.net...
> > > That is pure unadulterated bullsh*t! The only way to clean the
> > > diesel soot from our air is use an exhaust filter like all diesels sold
> > > in the U.S.of A.
it run
the design of that engine in the liberty was well thought out
Mike Romain wrote:
> My CJ7 gets 589 NO2 and 0.11% CO with no catalytic converter in the
> stream....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > So what? The only way to clean NO2 and CO from gasoline engine exhaust is to
> > use a catalyst in the exhaust flow.
> >
> > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:44343FD3.40596D55@***.net...
> > > That is pure unadulterated bullsh*t! The only way to clean the
> > > diesel soot from our air is use an exhaust filter like all diesels sold
> > > in the U.S.of A.