I agree with you IsellJeeps I had an '03 when it was 6 months old and had
the factory goodyear MTR's which and 4000 miles I ended up with DW and found
I HAD A BAD TIRE!!!!!! when I got ride of the junk MTR's and switched to
a better tire I have never had the problem again.... now there are 30,000
miles on the new tires.


"IsellJeeps" <jsprauer2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:HCaFe.435$IH2.161@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net. ..
> Jerry always thinks hes the king of it all... I only post to the things I
> am
> familiar with and in 15 yrs in the Wrangler business I have never had a
> Jeep
> come back for front end problems that I put tires on due to the death
> wobble... end of thread
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:w1aFe.19640$Eo.18595@fed1read04...
>> Tires are usually the TRIGGER for Death Wobble, of course, but replacing
>> them is not the entire answer or solution by any stretch of the
>> imagination. If everything on the front-end is tight and up to snuff
>> without loose components like the trackbar, bad control arm bushings,
>> loose ball joints, etc.,, the worst balanced or defective tires in the
>> world will not cause full-blown Death Wobble. Replacing tires that
>> cost anywhere from $500 to $900 or more to fix Death Wobble when they
>> may only be PART of the problem is asinine. I'm glad I'm not a customer
>> of ISellJeeps who just wants to throw money at the problem instead of
>> getting to the true root cause of the problem. I have way too many
>> years of experience with this problem to go along with anyone who thinks
>> replacing tires is the entire fix to a much more complex problem than
>> many understand.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> extremetj wrote:
>> > I agree with ISell Jeeps .......... CHECK YOUR TIRES nearly 100% of
> the
>> > time that IS the Problem. best of luck.
>> >
>> > Larry
>> >
>> >
>> > "DiezMon" <noone@notarealaddress.com> wrote in message
>> > news:7h9Fe.567993$pI6.266360@fe06.news.easynews.co m...
>> >
>> >>I'm telling ya.. I had the SAME problem.
>> >>
>> >>It was my tires. Check those first.
>> >>
>> >>Tim
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>"Scott in Baltimore" <sDcOoNtTtS_PuAnMiMtE_69@yahoo.com> wrote in
> message
>> >>news:Y7KdnQtMBNaQwHnfRVn-pg@comcast.com...
>> >>
>> >>>It's time for some front end work. I'm tired of hitting bumps
>> >>>and having to slow way down for the front end to stop bouncing.
>> >>>
>> >>>Should I start with the steering dampener or sway bar links?
>> >>>
>> >>>'97 SE with a whopping 69100 miles on it.
>> >>>(Yes, it's been off road and has trail rash underneath!)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>

 

I agree with you IsellJeeps I had an '03 when it was 6 months old and had
the factory goodyear MTR's which and 4000 miles I ended up with DW and found
I HAD A BAD TIRE!!!!!! when I got ride of the junk MTR's and switched to
a better tire I have never had the problem again.... now there are 30,000
miles on the new tires.


"IsellJeeps" <jsprauer2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:HCaFe.435$IH2.161@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net. ..
> Jerry always thinks hes the king of it all... I only post to the things I
> am
> familiar with and in 15 yrs in the Wrangler business I have never had a
> Jeep
> come back for front end problems that I put tires on due to the death
> wobble... end of thread
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:w1aFe.19640$Eo.18595@fed1read04...
>> Tires are usually the TRIGGER for Death Wobble, of course, but replacing
>> them is not the entire answer or solution by any stretch of the
>> imagination. If everything on the front-end is tight and up to snuff
>> without loose components like the trackbar, bad control arm bushings,
>> loose ball joints, etc.,, the worst balanced or defective tires in the
>> world will not cause full-blown Death Wobble. Replacing tires that
>> cost anywhere from $500 to $900 or more to fix Death Wobble when they
>> may only be PART of the problem is asinine. I'm glad I'm not a customer
>> of ISellJeeps who just wants to throw money at the problem instead of
>> getting to the true root cause of the problem. I have way too many
>> years of experience with this problem to go along with anyone who thinks
>> replacing tires is the entire fix to a much more complex problem than
>> many understand.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> extremetj wrote:
>> > I agree with ISell Jeeps .......... CHECK YOUR TIRES nearly 100% of
> the
>> > time that IS the Problem. best of luck.
>> >
>> > Larry
>> >
>> >
>> > "DiezMon" <noone@notarealaddress.com> wrote in message
>> > news:7h9Fe.567993$pI6.266360@fe06.news.easynews.co m...
>> >
>> >>I'm telling ya.. I had the SAME problem.
>> >>
>> >>It was my tires. Check those first.
>> >>
>> >>Tim
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>"Scott in Baltimore" <sDcOoNtTtS_PuAnMiMtE_69@yahoo.com> wrote in
> message
>> >>news:Y7KdnQtMBNaQwHnfRVn-pg@comcast.com...
>> >>
>> >>>It's time for some front end work. I'm tired of hitting bumps
>> >>>and having to slow way down for the front end to stop bouncing.
>> >>>
>> >>>Should I start with the steering dampener or sway bar links?
>> >>>
>> >>>'97 SE with a whopping 69100 miles on it.
>> >>>(Yes, it's been off road and has trail rash underneath!)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>

 

I agree with you IsellJeeps I had an '03 when it was 6 months old and had
the factory goodyear MTR's which and 4000 miles I ended up with DW and found
I HAD A BAD TIRE!!!!!! when I got ride of the junk MTR's and switched to
a better tire I have never had the problem again.... now there are 30,000
miles on the new tires.


"IsellJeeps" <jsprauer2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:HCaFe.435$IH2.161@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net. ..
> Jerry always thinks hes the king of it all... I only post to the things I
> am
> familiar with and in 15 yrs in the Wrangler business I have never had a
> Jeep
> come back for front end problems that I put tires on due to the death
> wobble... end of thread
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:w1aFe.19640$Eo.18595@fed1read04...
>> Tires are usually the TRIGGER for Death Wobble, of course, but replacing
>> them is not the entire answer or solution by any stretch of the
>> imagination. If everything on the front-end is tight and up to snuff
>> without loose components like the trackbar, bad control arm bushings,
>> loose ball joints, etc.,, the worst balanced or defective tires in the
>> world will not cause full-blown Death Wobble. Replacing tires that
>> cost anywhere from $500 to $900 or more to fix Death Wobble when they
>> may only be PART of the problem is asinine. I'm glad I'm not a customer
>> of ISellJeeps who just wants to throw money at the problem instead of
>> getting to the true root cause of the problem. I have way too many
>> years of experience with this problem to go along with anyone who thinks
>> replacing tires is the entire fix to a much more complex problem than
>> many understand.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> extremetj wrote:
>> > I agree with ISell Jeeps .......... CHECK YOUR TIRES nearly 100% of
> the
>> > time that IS the Problem. best of luck.
>> >
>> > Larry
>> >
>> >
>> > "DiezMon" <noone@notarealaddress.com> wrote in message
>> > news:7h9Fe.567993$pI6.266360@fe06.news.easynews.co m...
>> >
>> >>I'm telling ya.. I had the SAME problem.
>> >>
>> >>It was my tires. Check those first.
>> >>
>> >>Tim
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>"Scott in Baltimore" <sDcOoNtTtS_PuAnMiMtE_69@yahoo.com> wrote in
> message
>> >>news:Y7KdnQtMBNaQwHnfRVn-pg@comcast.com...
>> >>
>> >>>It's time for some front end work. I'm tired of hitting bumps
>> >>>and having to slow way down for the front end to stop bouncing.
>> >>>
>> >>>Should I start with the steering dampener or sway bar links?
>> >>>
>> >>>'97 SE with a whopping 69100 miles on it.
>> >>>(Yes, it's been off road and has trail rash underneath!)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Jerry Bransford
>> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>

 

Jerry, I'm not questioning your skills/knowledge/whatever and I hate to
prolong this threat any more. But I also hate it when people imply that I
don't know the meaning of my own descriptions. So, to clarify:

My wobble was so bad I thought the tire was going to jump up through the
wheel well. It was so bad it took the stearing wheel out of my hands. It
was SO bad it nearly put me in the ditch from the hwy doing 65mph after I
hit a small pothole. It was "extremely voilent" and yes, I was scared to
death.. It's safe to say it scared the living sh*t out of me when it
happened.

I would call that a friggin death wobble. See my previous posts to find out
what fixed it for me.

Tim


"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:30bFe.19643$Eo.2861@fed1read04...
> Tim, I don't want to continue beating a dead horse but finding the true
> root cause of Death Wobble, which is common to more vehicles than just
> the TJ, is seldom found by a cursory checking out of the front-end.
> It's hard to find and it is generally a combination of several problems
> that cumulatively work together to cause DW. It is actually a very
> complex geometry and design problem that makes this kind of front-end
> design prone to having DW. It is not just tires by themselves that
> cause this problem that is actually an industry-wide problem for many
> brands of vehicles with similar front-end designs. Now if it is just
> SHIMMY, then yes tires can be the entire cause. But their is a HUGE
> difference between shimmy and true Death Wobble. Shimmy causes the
> steering wheel to wiggle back and forth. Death Wobble is a totally
> different problem that causes the Jeep to feel like it has gone out of
> control with shaking so severe you can't read your gauges and all you
> can do is pull over to the side of the road to slow down enough so it
> stops. Many people think a moderate to even a bad shimmy is the same as
> Death Wobble so that may be the reason some think that replacing the
> tires is the cure. But if it is TRUE Death Wobble which is an EXTREMELY
> VIOLENT problem with the front end that scares the driver half-to-death,
> replacing tires is NOT the cure. Not even close.
>
> Replacing tires to cure DW is like putting a band-aid on a cancerous
> skin lesion and pronouncing it cured. It may make the symtom go away
> but a future small tire problem that should not BY ITSELF cause DW can
> certainly trigger it again.
>
> That ISellJeeps claims it is strictly a tire related problem that causes
> Death Wobble shows just how little he truly knows about this subject.
>
> DiezMon wrote:
> > Ok, let me clarify MY post.
> >
> > I had the front end checked out and everything was up to snuff. Then,
we
> > moved on to checking tires.. and found that one front tire was bad(the
one
> > doing the wobbling), and one rear. Hence, my tire replacement.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:w1aFe.19640$Eo.18595@fed1read04...
> >
> >>Tires are usually the TRIGGER for Death Wobble, of course, but replacing
> >>them is not the entire answer or solution by any stretch of the
> >>imagination. If everything on the front-end is tight and up to snuff
> >>without loose components like the trackbar, bad control arm bushings,
> >>loose ball joints, etc.,, the worst balanced or defective tires in the
> >>world will not cause full-blown Death Wobble. Replacing tires that
> >>cost anywhere from $500 to $900 or more to fix Death Wobble when they
> >>may only be PART of the problem is asinine. I'm glad I'm not a customer
> >>of ISellJeeps who just wants to throw money at the problem instead of
> >>getting to the true root cause of the problem. I have way too many
> >>years of experience with this problem to go along with anyone who thinks
> >>replacing tires is the entire fix to a much more complex problem than
> >>many understand.
> >>
> >>Jerry
> >>
> >>extremetj wrote:
> >>
> >>>I agree with ISell Jeeps .......... CHECK YOUR TIRES nearly 100% of
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>time that IS the Problem. best of luck.
> >>>
> >>>Larry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"DiezMon" <noone@notarealaddress.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:7h9Fe.567993$pI6.266360@fe06.news.easynews .com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I'm telling ya.. I had the SAME problem.
> >>>>
> >>>>It was my tires. Check those first.
> >>>>
> >>>>Tim
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"Scott in Baltimore" <sDcOoNtTtS_PuAnMiMtE_69@yahoo.com> wrote in
> >
> > message
> >
> >>>>news:Y7KdnQtMBNaQwHnfRVn-pg@comcast.com...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>It's time for some front end work. I'm tired of hitting bumps
> >>>>>and having to slow way down for the front end to stop bouncing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Should I start with the steering dampener or sway bar links?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>'97 SE with a whopping 69100 miles on it.
> >>>>>(Yes, it's been off road and has trail rash underneath!)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>--
> >>Jerry Bransford
> >>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

 

Jerry, I'm not questioning your skills/knowledge/whatever and I hate to
prolong this threat any more. But I also hate it when people imply that I
don't know the meaning of my own descriptions. So, to clarify:

My wobble was so bad I thought the tire was going to jump up through the
wheel well. It was so bad it took the stearing wheel out of my hands. It
was SO bad it nearly put me in the ditch from the hwy doing 65mph after I
hit a small pothole. It was "extremely voilent" and yes, I was scared to
death.. It's safe to say it scared the living sh*t out of me when it
happened.

I would call that a friggin death wobble. See my previous posts to find out
what fixed it for me.

Tim


"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:30bFe.19643$Eo.2861@fed1read04...
> Tim, I don't want to continue beating a dead horse but finding the true
> root cause of Death Wobble, which is common to more vehicles than just
> the TJ, is seldom found by a cursory checking out of the front-end.
> It's hard to find and it is generally a combination of several problems
> that cumulatively work together to cause DW. It is actually a very
> complex geometry and design problem that makes this kind of front-end
> design prone to having DW. It is not just tires by themselves that
> cause this problem that is actually an industry-wide problem for many
> brands of vehicles with similar front-end designs. Now if it is just
> SHIMMY, then yes tires can be the entire cause. But their is a HUGE
> difference between shimmy and true Death Wobble. Shimmy causes the
> steering wheel to wiggle back and forth. Death Wobble is a totally
> different problem that causes the Jeep to feel like it has gone out of
> control with shaking so severe you can't read your gauges and all you
> can do is pull over to the side of the road to slow down enough so it
> stops. Many people think a moderate to even a bad shimmy is the same as
> Death Wobble so that may be the reason some think that replacing the
> tires is the cure. But if it is TRUE Death Wobble which is an EXTREMELY
> VIOLENT problem with the front end that scares the driver half-to-death,
> replacing tires is NOT the cure. Not even close.
>
> Replacing tires to cure DW is like putting a band-aid on a cancerous
> skin lesion and pronouncing it cured. It may make the symtom go away
> but a future small tire problem that should not BY ITSELF cause DW can
> certainly trigger it again.
>
> That ISellJeeps claims it is strictly a tire related problem that causes
> Death Wobble shows just how little he truly knows about this subject.
>
> DiezMon wrote:
> > Ok, let me clarify MY post.
> >
> > I had the front end checked out and everything was up to snuff. Then,
we
> > moved on to checking tires.. and found that one front tire was bad(the
one
> > doing the wobbling), and one rear. Hence, my tire replacement.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:w1aFe.19640$Eo.18595@fed1read04...
> >
> >>Tires are usually the TRIGGER for Death Wobble, of course, but replacing
> >>them is not the entire answer or solution by any stretch of the
> >>imagination. If everything on the front-end is tight and up to snuff
> >>without loose components like the trackbar, bad control arm bushings,
> >>loose ball joints, etc.,, the worst balanced or defective tires in the
> >>world will not cause full-blown Death Wobble. Replacing tires that
> >>cost anywhere from $500 to $900 or more to fix Death Wobble when they
> >>may only be PART of the problem is asinine. I'm glad I'm not a customer
> >>of ISellJeeps who just wants to throw money at the problem instead of
> >>getting to the true root cause of the problem. I have way too many
> >>years of experience with this problem to go along with anyone who thinks
> >>replacing tires is the entire fix to a much more complex problem than
> >>many understand.
> >>
> >>Jerry
> >>
> >>extremetj wrote:
> >>
> >>>I agree with ISell Jeeps .......... CHECK YOUR TIRES nearly 100% of
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>time that IS the Problem. best of luck.
> >>>
> >>>Larry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"DiezMon" <noone@notarealaddress.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:7h9Fe.567993$pI6.266360@fe06.news.easynews .com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I'm telling ya.. I had the SAME problem.
> >>>>
> >>>>It was my tires. Check those first.
> >>>>
> >>>>Tim
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"Scott in Baltimore" <sDcOoNtTtS_PuAnMiMtE_69@yahoo.com> wrote in
> >
> > message
> >
> >>>>news:Y7KdnQtMBNaQwHnfRVn-pg@comcast.com...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>It's time for some front end work. I'm tired of hitting bumps
> >>>>>and having to slow way down for the front end to stop bouncing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Should I start with the steering dampener or sway bar links?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>'97 SE with a whopping 69100 miles on it.
> >>>>>(Yes, it's been off road and has trail rash underneath!)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>--
> >>Jerry Bransford
> >>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

 

Jerry, I'm not questioning your skills/knowledge/whatever and I hate to
prolong this threat any more. But I also hate it when people imply that I
don't know the meaning of my own descriptions. So, to clarify:

My wobble was so bad I thought the tire was going to jump up through the
wheel well. It was so bad it took the stearing wheel out of my hands. It
was SO bad it nearly put me in the ditch from the hwy doing 65mph after I
hit a small pothole. It was "extremely voilent" and yes, I was scared to
death.. It's safe to say it scared the living sh*t out of me when it
happened.

I would call that a friggin death wobble. See my previous posts to find out
what fixed it for me.

Tim


"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:30bFe.19643$Eo.2861@fed1read04...
> Tim, I don't want to continue beating a dead horse but finding the true
> root cause of Death Wobble, which is common to more vehicles than just
> the TJ, is seldom found by a cursory checking out of the front-end.
> It's hard to find and it is generally a combination of several problems
> that cumulatively work together to cause DW. It is actually a very
> complex geometry and design problem that makes this kind of front-end
> design prone to having DW. It is not just tires by themselves that
> cause this problem that is actually an industry-wide problem for many
> brands of vehicles with similar front-end designs. Now if it is just
> SHIMMY, then yes tires can be the entire cause. But their is a HUGE
> difference between shimmy and true Death Wobble. Shimmy causes the
> steering wheel to wiggle back and forth. Death Wobble is a totally
> different problem that causes the Jeep to feel like it has gone out of
> control with shaking so severe you can't read your gauges and all you
> can do is pull over to the side of the road to slow down enough so it
> stops. Many people think a moderate to even a bad shimmy is the same as
> Death Wobble so that may be the reason some think that replacing the
> tires is the cure. But if it is TRUE Death Wobble which is an EXTREMELY
> VIOLENT problem with the front end that scares the driver half-to-death,
> replacing tires is NOT the cure. Not even close.
>
> Replacing tires to cure DW is like putting a band-aid on a cancerous
> skin lesion and pronouncing it cured. It may make the symtom go away
> but a future small tire problem that should not BY ITSELF cause DW can
> certainly trigger it again.
>
> That ISellJeeps claims it is strictly a tire related problem that causes
> Death Wobble shows just how little he truly knows about this subject.
>
> DiezMon wrote:
> > Ok, let me clarify MY post.
> >
> > I had the front end checked out and everything was up to snuff. Then,
we
> > moved on to checking tires.. and found that one front tire was bad(the
one
> > doing the wobbling), and one rear. Hence, my tire replacement.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:w1aFe.19640$Eo.18595@fed1read04...
> >
> >>Tires are usually the TRIGGER for Death Wobble, of course, but replacing
> >>them is not the entire answer or solution by any stretch of the
> >>imagination. If everything on the front-end is tight and up to snuff
> >>without loose components like the trackbar, bad control arm bushings,
> >>loose ball joints, etc.,, the worst balanced or defective tires in the
> >>world will not cause full-blown Death Wobble. Replacing tires that
> >>cost anywhere from $500 to $900 or more to fix Death Wobble when they
> >>may only be PART of the problem is asinine. I'm glad I'm not a customer
> >>of ISellJeeps who just wants to throw money at the problem instead of
> >>getting to the true root cause of the problem. I have way too many
> >>years of experience with this problem to go along with anyone who thinks
> >>replacing tires is the entire fix to a much more complex problem than
> >>many understand.
> >>
> >>Jerry
> >>
> >>extremetj wrote:
> >>
> >>>I agree with ISell Jeeps .......... CHECK YOUR TIRES nearly 100% of
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>time that IS the Problem. best of luck.
> >>>
> >>>Larry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"DiezMon" <noone@notarealaddress.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:7h9Fe.567993$pI6.266360@fe06.news.easynews .com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I'm telling ya.. I had the SAME problem.
> >>>>
> >>>>It was my tires. Check those first.
> >>>>
> >>>>Tim
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"Scott in Baltimore" <sDcOoNtTtS_PuAnMiMtE_69@yahoo.com> wrote in
> >
> > message
> >
> >>>>news:Y7KdnQtMBNaQwHnfRVn-pg@comcast.com...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>It's time for some front end work. I'm tired of hitting bumps
> >>>>>and having to slow way down for the front end to stop bouncing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Should I start with the steering dampener or sway bar links?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>'97 SE with a whopping 69100 miles on it.
> >>>>>(Yes, it's been off road and has trail rash underneath!)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>--
> >>Jerry Bransford
> >>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

 

Jerry, I'm not questioning your skills/knowledge/whatever and I hate to
prolong this threat any more. But I also hate it when people imply that I
don't know the meaning of my own descriptions. So, to clarify:

My wobble was so bad I thought the tire was going to jump up through the
wheel well. It was so bad it took the stearing wheel out of my hands. It
was SO bad it nearly put me in the ditch from the hwy doing 65mph after I
hit a small pothole. It was "extremely voilent" and yes, I was scared to
death.. It's safe to say it scared the living sh*t out of me when it
happened.

I would call that a friggin death wobble. See my previous posts to find out
what fixed it for me.

Tim


"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:30bFe.19643$Eo.2861@fed1read04...
> Tim, I don't want to continue beating a dead horse but finding the true
> root cause of Death Wobble, which is common to more vehicles than just
> the TJ, is seldom found by a cursory checking out of the front-end.
> It's hard to find and it is generally a combination of several problems
> that cumulatively work together to cause DW. It is actually a very
> complex geometry and design problem that makes this kind of front-end
> design prone to having DW. It is not just tires by themselves that
> cause this problem that is actually an industry-wide problem for many
> brands of vehicles with similar front-end designs. Now if it is just
> SHIMMY, then yes tires can be the entire cause. But their is a HUGE
> difference between shimmy and true Death Wobble. Shimmy causes the
> steering wheel to wiggle back and forth. Death Wobble is a totally
> different problem that causes the Jeep to feel like it has gone out of
> control with shaking so severe you can't read your gauges and all you
> can do is pull over to the side of the road to slow down enough so it
> stops. Many people think a moderate to even a bad shimmy is the same as
> Death Wobble so that may be the reason some think that replacing the
> tires is the cure. But if it is TRUE Death Wobble which is an EXTREMELY
> VIOLENT problem with the front end that scares the driver half-to-death,
> replacing tires is NOT the cure. Not even close.
>
> Replacing tires to cure DW is like putting a band-aid on a cancerous
> skin lesion and pronouncing it cured. It may make the symtom go away
> but a future small tire problem that should not BY ITSELF cause DW can
> certainly trigger it again.
>
> That ISellJeeps claims it is strictly a tire related problem that causes
> Death Wobble shows just how little he truly knows about this subject.
>
> DiezMon wrote:
> > Ok, let me clarify MY post.
> >
> > I had the front end checked out and everything was up to snuff. Then,
we
> > moved on to checking tires.. and found that one front tire was bad(the
one
> > doing the wobbling), and one rear. Hence, my tire replacement.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:w1aFe.19640$Eo.18595@fed1read04...
> >
> >>Tires are usually the TRIGGER for Death Wobble, of course, but replacing
> >>them is not the entire answer or solution by any stretch of the
> >>imagination. If everything on the front-end is tight and up to snuff
> >>without loose components like the trackbar, bad control arm bushings,
> >>loose ball joints, etc.,, the worst balanced or defective tires in the
> >>world will not cause full-blown Death Wobble. Replacing tires that
> >>cost anywhere from $500 to $900 or more to fix Death Wobble when they
> >>may only be PART of the problem is asinine. I'm glad I'm not a customer
> >>of ISellJeeps who just wants to throw money at the problem instead of
> >>getting to the true root cause of the problem. I have way too many
> >>years of experience with this problem to go along with anyone who thinks
> >>replacing tires is the entire fix to a much more complex problem than
> >>many understand.
> >>
> >>Jerry
> >>
> >>extremetj wrote:
> >>
> >>>I agree with ISell Jeeps .......... CHECK YOUR TIRES nearly 100% of
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>time that IS the Problem. best of luck.
> >>>
> >>>Larry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"DiezMon" <noone@notarealaddress.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:7h9Fe.567993$pI6.266360@fe06.news.easynews .com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I'm telling ya.. I had the SAME problem.
> >>>>
> >>>>It was my tires. Check those first.
> >>>>
> >>>>Tim
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"Scott in Baltimore" <sDcOoNtTtS_PuAnMiMtE_69@yahoo.com> wrote in
> >
> > message
> >
> >>>>news:Y7KdnQtMBNaQwHnfRVn-pg@comcast.com...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>It's time for some front end work. I'm tired of hitting bumps
> >>>>>and having to slow way down for the front end to stop bouncing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Should I start with the steering dampener or sway bar links?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>'97 SE with a whopping 69100 miles on it.
> >>>>>(Yes, it's been off road and has trail rash underneath!)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>--
> >>Jerry Bransford
> >>PP-ASEL N6TAY
> >>See the Geezer Jeep at
> >>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

 

Ok, you confirmed it was true DW. I asked because it's very common for
some to think DW is another way of describing what may just be a
moder-to-bad shimmy.

And I was also just letting you know that replacing the tires still left
your Jeep vulnerable for DW to happen again from just another
out-of-balance or bad tire. After FIXING my Death Wobble years ago,
I've had periodic out of balance and out-of-round wheels & tires with
none of them causing DW. I can see how some would think replacing their
tires "cured" their DW but even with the tires 'triggering' the DW
event, the suspension should still be able to cope with the problem and
dampen it out without allowing it to develop into full-blown DW.

DW also happens with Fords and Dodges that share a similar front-end to
the TJ, as well as motorcycles and bicycles. It's a geometric issue
with undesireable harmonics building upon each other that has so far,
had an elusive answer to a permanent fix where tires don't have to be
replaced just because one has a problem.

Jerry

DiezMon wrote:
> Jerry, I'm not questioning your skills/knowledge/whatever and I hate to
> prolong this threat any more. But I also hate it when people imply that I
> don't know the meaning of my own descriptions. So, to clarify:
>
> My wobble was so bad I thought the tire was going to jump up through the
> wheel well. It was so bad it took the stearing wheel out of my hands. It
> was SO bad it nearly put me in the ditch from the hwy doing 65mph after I
> hit a small pothole. It was "extremely voilent" and yes, I was scared to
> death.. It's safe to say it scared the living sh*t out of me when it
> happened.
>
> I would call that a friggin death wobble. See my previous posts to find out
> what fixed it for me.
>
> Tim
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:30bFe.19643$Eo.2861@fed1read04...
>
>>Tim, I don't want to continue beating a dead horse but finding the true
>>root cause of Death Wobble, which is common to more vehicles than just
>>the TJ, is seldom found by a cursory checking out of the front-end.
>>It's hard to find and it is generally a combination of several problems
>>that cumulatively work together to cause DW. It is actually a very
>>complex geometry and design problem that makes this kind of front-end
>>design prone to having DW. It is not just tires by themselves that
>>cause this problem that is actually an industry-wide problem for many
>>brands of vehicles with similar front-end designs. Now if it is just
>>SHIMMY, then yes tires can be the entire cause. But their is a HUGE
>>difference between shimmy and true Death Wobble. Shimmy causes the
>>steering wheel to wiggle back and forth. Death Wobble is a totally
>>different problem that causes the Jeep to feel like it has gone out of
>>control with shaking so severe you can't read your gauges and all you
>>can do is pull over to the side of the road to slow down enough so it
>>stops. Many people think a moderate to even a bad shimmy is the same as
>>Death Wobble so that may be the reason some think that replacing the
>>tires is the cure. But if it is TRUE Death Wobble which is an EXTREMELY
>>VIOLENT problem with the front end that scares the driver half-to-death,
>>replacing tires is NOT the cure. Not even close.
>>
>>Replacing tires to cure DW is like putting a band-aid on a cancerous
>>skin lesion and pronouncing it cured. It may make the symtom go away
>>but a future small tire problem that should not BY ITSELF cause DW can
>>certainly trigger it again.
>>
>>That ISellJeeps claims it is strictly a tire related problem that causes
>>Death Wobble shows just how little he truly knows about this subject.
>>
>>DiezMon wrote:
>>
>>>Ok, let me clarify MY post.
>>>
>>>I had the front end checked out and everything was up to snuff. Then,
>
> we
>
>>>moved on to checking tires.. and found that one front tire was bad(the
>
> one
>
>>>doing the wobbling), and one rear. Hence, my tire replacement.
>>>
>>>Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>>>news:w1aFe.19640$Eo.18595@fed1read04...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Tires are usually the TRIGGER for Death Wobble, of course, but replacing
>>>>them is not the entire answer or solution by any stretch of the
>>>>imagination. If everything on the front-end is tight and up to snuff
>>>>without loose components like the trackbar, bad control arm bushings,
>>>>loose ball joints, etc.,, the worst balanced or defective tires in the
>>>>world will not cause full-blown Death Wobble. Replacing tires that
>>>>cost anywhere from $500 to $900 or more to fix Death Wobble when they
>>>>may only be PART of the problem is asinine. I'm glad I'm not a customer
>>>>of ISellJeeps who just wants to throw money at the problem instead of
>>>>getting to the true root cause of the problem. I have way too many
>>>>years of experience with this problem to go along with anyone who thinks
>>>>replacing tires is the entire fix to a much more complex problem than
>>>>many understand.
>>>>
>>>>Jerry
>>>>
>>>>extremetj wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I agree with ISell Jeeps .......... CHECK YOUR TIRES nearly 100% of
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>time that IS the Problem. best of luck.
>>>>>
>>>>>Larry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"DiezMon" <noone@notarealaddress.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:7h9Fe.567993$pI6.266360@fe06.news.easyne ws.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm telling ya.. I had the SAME problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It was my tires. Check those first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Scott in Baltimore" <sDcOoNtTtS_PuAnMiMtE_69@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>
>>>message
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>news:Y7KdnQtMBNaQwHnfRVn-pg@comcast.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's time for some front end work. I'm tired of hitting bumps
>>>>>>>and having to slow way down for the front end to stop bouncing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Should I start with the steering dampener or sway bar links?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>'97 SE with a whopping 69100 miles on it.
>>>>>>>(Yes, it's been off road and has trail rash underneath!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Jerry Bransford
>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

 

Ok, you confirmed it was true DW. I asked because it's very common for
some to think DW is another way of describing what may just be a
moder-to-bad shimmy.

And I was also just letting you know that replacing the tires still left
your Jeep vulnerable for DW to happen again from just another
out-of-balance or bad tire. After FIXING my Death Wobble years ago,
I've had periodic out of balance and out-of-round wheels & tires with
none of them causing DW. I can see how some would think replacing their
tires "cured" their DW but even with the tires 'triggering' the DW
event, the suspension should still be able to cope with the problem and
dampen it out without allowing it to develop into full-blown DW.

DW also happens with Fords and Dodges that share a similar front-end to
the TJ, as well as motorcycles and bicycles. It's a geometric issue
with undesireable harmonics building upon each other that has so far,
had an elusive answer to a permanent fix where tires don't have to be
replaced just because one has a problem.

Jerry

DiezMon wrote:
> Jerry, I'm not questioning your skills/knowledge/whatever and I hate to
> prolong this threat any more. But I also hate it when people imply that I
> don't know the meaning of my own descriptions. So, to clarify:
>
> My wobble was so bad I thought the tire was going to jump up through the
> wheel well. It was so bad it took the stearing wheel out of my hands. It
> was SO bad it nearly put me in the ditch from the hwy doing 65mph after I
> hit a small pothole. It was "extremely voilent" and yes, I was scared to
> death.. It's safe to say it scared the living sh*t out of me when it
> happened.
>
> I would call that a friggin death wobble. See my previous posts to find out
> what fixed it for me.
>
> Tim
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:30bFe.19643$Eo.2861@fed1read04...
>
>>Tim, I don't want to continue beating a dead horse but finding the true
>>root cause of Death Wobble, which is common to more vehicles than just
>>the TJ, is seldom found by a cursory checking out of the front-end.
>>It's hard to find and it is generally a combination of several problems
>>that cumulatively work together to cause DW. It is actually a very
>>complex geometry and design problem that makes this kind of front-end
>>design prone to having DW. It is not just tires by themselves that
>>cause this problem that is actually an industry-wide problem for many
>>brands of vehicles with similar front-end designs. Now if it is just
>>SHIMMY, then yes tires can be the entire cause. But their is a HUGE
>>difference between shimmy and true Death Wobble. Shimmy causes the
>>steering wheel to wiggle back and forth. Death Wobble is a totally
>>different problem that causes the Jeep to feel like it has gone out of
>>control with shaking so severe you can't read your gauges and all you
>>can do is pull over to the side of the road to slow down enough so it
>>stops. Many people think a moderate to even a bad shimmy is the same as
>>Death Wobble so that may be the reason some think that replacing the
>>tires is the cure. But if it is TRUE Death Wobble which is an EXTREMELY
>>VIOLENT problem with the front end that scares the driver half-to-death,
>>replacing tires is NOT the cure. Not even close.
>>
>>Replacing tires to cure DW is like putting a band-aid on a cancerous
>>skin lesion and pronouncing it cured. It may make the symtom go away
>>but a future small tire problem that should not BY ITSELF cause DW can
>>certainly trigger it again.
>>
>>That ISellJeeps claims it is strictly a tire related problem that causes
>>Death Wobble shows just how little he truly knows about this subject.
>>
>>DiezMon wrote:
>>
>>>Ok, let me clarify MY post.
>>>
>>>I had the front end checked out and everything was up to snuff. Then,
>
> we
>
>>>moved on to checking tires.. and found that one front tire was bad(the
>
> one
>
>>>doing the wobbling), and one rear. Hence, my tire replacement.
>>>
>>>Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>>>news:w1aFe.19640$Eo.18595@fed1read04...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Tires are usually the TRIGGER for Death Wobble, of course, but replacing
>>>>them is not the entire answer or solution by any stretch of the
>>>>imagination. If everything on the front-end is tight and up to snuff
>>>>without loose components like the trackbar, bad control arm bushings,
>>>>loose ball joints, etc.,, the worst balanced or defective tires in the
>>>>world will not cause full-blown Death Wobble. Replacing tires that
>>>>cost anywhere from $500 to $900 or more to fix Death Wobble when they
>>>>may only be PART of the problem is asinine. I'm glad I'm not a customer
>>>>of ISellJeeps who just wants to throw money at the problem instead of
>>>>getting to the true root cause of the problem. I have way too many
>>>>years of experience with this problem to go along with anyone who thinks
>>>>replacing tires is the entire fix to a much more complex problem than
>>>>many understand.
>>>>
>>>>Jerry
>>>>
>>>>extremetj wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I agree with ISell Jeeps .......... CHECK YOUR TIRES nearly 100% of
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>time that IS the Problem. best of luck.
>>>>>
>>>>>Larry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"DiezMon" <noone@notarealaddress.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:7h9Fe.567993$pI6.266360@fe06.news.easyne ws.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm telling ya.. I had the SAME problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It was my tires. Check those first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Scott in Baltimore" <sDcOoNtTtS_PuAnMiMtE_69@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>
>>>message
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>news:Y7KdnQtMBNaQwHnfRVn-pg@comcast.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's time for some front end work. I'm tired of hitting bumps
>>>>>>>and having to slow way down for the front end to stop bouncing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Should I start with the steering dampener or sway bar links?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>'97 SE with a whopping 69100 miles on it.
>>>>>>>(Yes, it's been off road and has trail rash underneath!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Jerry Bransford
>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

 

Ok, you confirmed it was true DW. I asked because it's very common for
some to think DW is another way of describing what may just be a
moder-to-bad shimmy.

And I was also just letting you know that replacing the tires still left
your Jeep vulnerable for DW to happen again from just another
out-of-balance or bad tire. After FIXING my Death Wobble years ago,
I've had periodic out of balance and out-of-round wheels & tires with
none of them causing DW. I can see how some would think replacing their
tires "cured" their DW but even with the tires 'triggering' the DW
event, the suspension should still be able to cope with the problem and
dampen it out without allowing it to develop into full-blown DW.

DW also happens with Fords and Dodges that share a similar front-end to
the TJ, as well as motorcycles and bicycles. It's a geometric issue
with undesireable harmonics building upon each other that has so far,
had an elusive answer to a permanent fix where tires don't have to be
replaced just because one has a problem.

Jerry

DiezMon wrote:
> Jerry, I'm not questioning your skills/knowledge/whatever and I hate to
> prolong this threat any more. But I also hate it when people imply that I
> don't know the meaning of my own descriptions. So, to clarify:
>
> My wobble was so bad I thought the tire was going to jump up through the
> wheel well. It was so bad it took the stearing wheel out of my hands. It
> was SO bad it nearly put me in the ditch from the hwy doing 65mph after I
> hit a small pothole. It was "extremely voilent" and yes, I was scared to
> death.. It's safe to say it scared the living sh*t out of me when it
> happened.
>
> I would call that a friggin death wobble. See my previous posts to find out
> what fixed it for me.
>
> Tim
>
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> news:30bFe.19643$Eo.2861@fed1read04...
>
>>Tim, I don't want to continue beating a dead horse but finding the true
>>root cause of Death Wobble, which is common to more vehicles than just
>>the TJ, is seldom found by a cursory checking out of the front-end.
>>It's hard to find and it is generally a combination of several problems
>>that cumulatively work together to cause DW. It is actually a very
>>complex geometry and design problem that makes this kind of front-end
>>design prone to having DW. It is not just tires by themselves that
>>cause this problem that is actually an industry-wide problem for many
>>brands of vehicles with similar front-end designs. Now if it is just
>>SHIMMY, then yes tires can be the entire cause. But their is a HUGE
>>difference between shimmy and true Death Wobble. Shimmy causes the
>>steering wheel to wiggle back and forth. Death Wobble is a totally
>>different problem that causes the Jeep to feel like it has gone out of
>>control with shaking so severe you can't read your gauges and all you
>>can do is pull over to the side of the road to slow down enough so it
>>stops. Many people think a moderate to even a bad shimmy is the same as
>>Death Wobble so that may be the reason some think that replacing the
>>tires is the cure. But if it is TRUE Death Wobble which is an EXTREMELY
>>VIOLENT problem with the front end that scares the driver half-to-death,
>>replacing tires is NOT the cure. Not even close.
>>
>>Replacing tires to cure DW is like putting a band-aid on a cancerous
>>skin lesion and pronouncing it cured. It may make the symtom go away
>>but a future small tire problem that should not BY ITSELF cause DW can
>>certainly trigger it again.
>>
>>That ISellJeeps claims it is strictly a tire related problem that causes
>>Death Wobble shows just how little he truly knows about this subject.
>>
>>DiezMon wrote:
>>
>>>Ok, let me clarify MY post.
>>>
>>>I had the front end checked out and everything was up to snuff. Then,
>
> we
>
>>>moved on to checking tires.. and found that one front tire was bad(the
>
> one
>
>>>doing the wobbling), and one rear. Hence, my tire replacement.
>>>
>>>Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>>>news:w1aFe.19640$Eo.18595@fed1read04...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Tires are usually the TRIGGER for Death Wobble, of course, but replacing
>>>>them is not the entire answer or solution by any stretch of the
>>>>imagination. If everything on the front-end is tight and up to snuff
>>>>without loose components like the trackbar, bad control arm bushings,
>>>>loose ball joints, etc.,, the worst balanced or defective tires in the
>>>>world will not cause full-blown Death Wobble. Replacing tires that
>>>>cost anywhere from $500 to $900 or more to fix Death Wobble when they
>>>>may only be PART of the problem is asinine. I'm glad I'm not a customer
>>>>of ISellJeeps who just wants to throw money at the problem instead of
>>>>getting to the true root cause of the problem. I have way too many
>>>>years of experience with this problem to go along with anyone who thinks
>>>>replacing tires is the entire fix to a much more complex problem than
>>>>many understand.
>>>>
>>>>Jerry
>>>>
>>>>extremetj wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I agree with ISell Jeeps .......... CHECK YOUR TIRES nearly 100% of
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>time that IS the Problem. best of luck.
>>>>>
>>>>>Larry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"DiezMon" <noone@notarealaddress.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:7h9Fe.567993$pI6.266360@fe06.news.easyne ws.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm telling ya.. I had the SAME problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It was my tires. Check those first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Scott in Baltimore" <sDcOoNtTtS_PuAnMiMtE_69@yahoo.com> wrote in
>>>
>>>message
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>news:Y7KdnQtMBNaQwHnfRVn-pg@comcast.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's time for some front end work. I'm tired of hitting bumps
>>>>>>>and having to slow way down for the front end to stop bouncing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Should I start with the steering dampener or sway bar links?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>'97 SE with a whopping 69100 miles on it.
>>>>>>>(Yes, it's been off road and has trail rash underneath!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Jerry Bransford
>>>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Jerry Bransford
>>PP-ASEL N6TAY
>>See the Geezer Jeep at
>>http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
>
>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/