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Re: Coolant suprise

So how close is this to the no name stuff on the end aisle display at
WalMart? Used to be, that was the same as the green stuff. There is a
pretty good chance it is the same as the new stuff now, ¿no?

Earle

"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:eeidnfyoYtL5aunYnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > That's an interesting theory, and I am no chemist, but I understand part
of
> > the drive for the new compounds is that they are EPA friendly (as
opposed to
> > environment friendly).
>
> There aren't any 'new compounds' to speak of for Jeeps; HOAT's (G-05),
> are still using the same old silicated, ethlyene glycol stuff that's
> been around for 50 years, but with a new, exciting dye color, lower
> silicate levels, some benzoate, and without the phosphates; maybe even
> some fragrance added to further excite the senses of buyers who don't
> know dog poop from diamonds. G-05 is chemically similar to the old
> green stuff, just some noodling with the recipe portions is all. This
> stuff isn't any more EPA/ERA/NRA..whatever friendly than it's ever been.
>
> > You do not always get what you pay for.
>
> Ignore the wild claims and BS on window stickers, and you'll do just fine.
>

Re: Coolant suprise

That's why I am changing them out...

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:ab943$45758edf$422afc51$31517@FUSE.NET...
> Hoses and belts age.... it isn't just mileage..
>
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:kK-dnZ2TetOD9-jYnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Yep but it's only got 40K on the ticker....
>>
>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:d4e38$4574e0ef$422afc51$31982@FUSE.NET...
>>> You can do the flushing with well or 'softened' water until it is
>>> completely clear then I would do another one with distilled to get the
>>> minerals rinsed out.
>>>
>>> Be sure to use distilled to top off after filling with coolant
>>> concentrate.
>>>
>>> Your hoses are 7 years old now, the general replacement age according to
>>> the aftermarket companies is 4 years...
>>>
>>>
>>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>>> news:f8ydncxdxcUJWenYnZ2dnUVZ_qednZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>I got a third gallon as well, for emergencies. Capacity is 12 quarts, I
>>>>think. 2000TJ, I plan to keep it at a 50-50 mix.
>>>>
>>>> Already planned on cleaning the expansion tank. This is my dilemma, the
>>>> last time I flushed a cooling system myself (not including when the new
>>>> rad was installed in the TJ in May of 2004, and then I didn't backflush
>>>> completely) I didn't live where I am now. I have well-water here with
>>>> lots of iron in it, I am wondering if it would be OK to flush the
>>>> system with this. I can flush either with straight well water or water
>>>> that's been through the softener; however considering the softener
>>>> element is flushed periodically with a brine solution, I think that
>>>> would be a bad idea.
>>>>
>>>> I also plan to replace the rad & heater hoses.
>>>>
>>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:8c9be$4574bd85$422afc51$4901@FUSE.NET...
>>>>>3 gallons? What is the capacity of your cooling system?
>>>>>
>>>>> I used 2 gallons in my 15 quart system which gives me 53.3% = -
>>>>> 43/+267 coverage
>>>>>
>>>>> Maximum coverage is achieved at 68%, greater than that the coverage
>>>>> actually decreases rapidly
>>>>>
>>>>> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...lant%20Charts/
>>>>>
>>>>> Be sure to clean the expansion tank also. If you have a layer of
>>>>> slime or scum you may want to use a flush (mild) or cleaner (harsh)
>>>>> solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be worthwhile to be sure the heater core is drained or
>>>>> flushed with distilled water. The minerals in tap water promote
>>>>> corrosion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:keudnaDlae3mNunYnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>>>I just got three gallons of the Zerex G-05 for the TJ, which I plan to
>>>>>>flush & fill this week if it gets above freezing, replacing the Zerex
>>>>>>green. Billy, any advice? (I already have the flush tee installed.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:b5b03$457451e4$422afc51$13637@FUSE.NET...
>>>>>>> It is hard to say. Industry publications say that the 'automotive'
>>>>>>> Prestones are all OAT which is what DexCool uses. The Peak marketed
>>>>>>> specifically for DC, Ford and Mercedes is OAT according to the Peak
>>>>>>> website.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most brands either claim OAT or refuse to reveal what anti corrosive
>>>>>>> package they use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you want the old fashioned "Green' coolant it is/was using IAT
>>>>>>> anti-corrosives. The only company I know for sure still makes it is
>>>>>>> Zerex in the white jug.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The new stuff is G-05 (HOAT or Glysantin) spec. I wouldn't use
>>>>>>> anything that doesn't say it contains one or more of these terms in
>>>>>>> big letters on the bottle. I would avoid products that don't list
>>>>>>> the package used and only say things like 'recommended for'. If
>>>>>>> it meets the G-05 standard it will say so clearly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wal-Mart used to post MSDS sheets online somewhere, it may well tell
>>>>>>> you who the original manufacturer is and the chemical composition
>>>>>>> (other than the ethylene glycol base)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:45745947$0$3480$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
>>>>>>>>I wonder what is in the WalMart no-name concentrate? It appears to
>>>>>>>>be pale
>>>>>>>> yellow too. They also sell the Prestone 50/50 mix, for the same
>>>>>>>> price as
>>>>>>>> the no-name concentrate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Earle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:e0620$4573be4d$422afc51$9785@FUSE.NET...
>>>>>>>>> Zerex G-05 in the aftermarket is pale yellow.
>>>>>>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...18433873&idx=5
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In other applications it is:
>>>>>>>>> (http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10)
>>>>>>>>> What vehicles use Zerex G-05 in the factory fill and what is the
>>>>>>>>> dye
>>>>>>>> color?
>>>>>>>>> 1984 Mercedes and beyond (light yellow)
>>>>>>>>> 1990 Deere and Company vehicles and beyond (green)
>>>>>>>>> 2001 Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep and beyond (orange)
>>>>>>>>> 2002 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury trucks and SUVS and beyond (yellow)
>>>>>>>>> 2003 Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury automobiles and beyond (yellow)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are certainly free to use Prestone, but this is what DC warns
>>>>>>>>> you will
>>>>>>>>> happen:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:-NOdnQz-NLK3Ke7YnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>>> > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the
>>>>>>>>> > heater
>>>>>>>>> > hoses and completely flushed everything untill clear water came
>>>>>>>>> > out.
>>>>>>>>> > Here's what's got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone
>>>>>>>>> > checked it
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> > the tester, it was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor
>>>>>>>>> > was
>>>>>>>>> > reasonably green. Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the
>>>>>>>>> > Gold jug..
>>>>>>>>> > the coolant was CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use
>>>>>>>>> > the G-05
>>>>>>>>> > instead of the regular prestone?
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Carl
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Coolant suprise

L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:

> They are putting a bittering agent into it to keep from killing all
> the pets, and couple of humans:

Really? Now, that's progress, and I'm all for it.

Re: Coolant suprise

L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:

> They are putting a bittering agent into it to keep from killing all
> the pets, and couple of humans:

Really? Now, that's progress, and I'm all for it.

Re: Coolant suprise

L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:

> They are putting a bittering agent into it to keep from killing all
> the pets, and couple of humans:

Really? Now, that's progress, and I'm all for it.

Re: Coolant suprise

Earle Horton wrote:

> So how close is this to the no name stuff on the end aisle display at
> WalMart? Used to be, that was the same as the green stuff. There is a
> pretty good chance it is the same as the new stuff now, ¿no?

If I had to place a bet on this one, I'd say the stuff on the end of
Wally World's aisle is mule piss.

Worse, it's probably collected and bottled in 3rd world contries by kids
working for a nickel an hour.

Re: Coolant suprise