Re: Coolant suprise
The heater core went in my car in college, all of a sudden there was fog on
the inside of the car... "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:45798ed2$0$3478$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > In 1989 Chevrolet put the evaporator in the engine compartment. Don't > know > whether they still do that. Still, replacing the heater core was bad > enough. The first signs that it is going, are that the defroster takes a > long time to take effect, and a funny smell. Green sounds like the way to > go then. > > Earle > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET... >> If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and >> Jeep. >> >> The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5 >> year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying >> 4 >> years so maybe.... >> >> I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I >> would >> rather be safe than sorry. >> >> Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than > the >> radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC discharged....... > If >> $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it sounds like a good >> investment. >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> > Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than >> > IAT? >> > Cool. >> > >> > Earle >> > >> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> > news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET... >> >> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory > with >> > IAT >> >> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new >> > coolant >> >> has better corrosion protection. >> >> >> >> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex >> > Original >> >> brand in the white jug. >> >> >> >> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the > factory >> >> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects..... >> >> >> >> >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> >> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> >> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM >> > warranty >> >> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think >> > that >> >> > I >> >> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the >> >> > coolant >> >> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it >> >> > says >> >> > in >> >> > the >> >> > owner's manual, ¿no? >> >> > >> >> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the >> > manufacturers >> >> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( >> >> > Even >> >> > the >> >> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a >> >> > propietary formula too. >> >> > >> >> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in > Walmart >> > is >> >> > the same as Dexcool. >> >> > >> >> > Earle >> >> > >> >> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET... >> >> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula >> >> >> cannot >> > meet >> >> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. > If >> >> >> a >> >> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT >> >> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM > HOAT >> >> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid >> >> >> technology >> >> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. >> >> > Consequently, >> >> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a > universal >> >> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM >> >> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different >> >> > coolants >> >> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the >> >> >> coolant >> > may >> >> > not >> >> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest >> >> > recommendation >> >> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle >> >> >> manufacturer.... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5 >> >> >> >> >> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT >> >> >> (DexCool), >> > and >> >> >> HOAT (G-05) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> >> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> >> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message >> >> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... >> >> >> >> Earle Horton wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl >> >> > hexanoate, >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic >> >> >> >> > chemistry >> > that >> >> >> > "-oate" >> >> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon > can >> >> >> >> > tell >> >> >> > you, >> >> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super >> >> >> >> > TECH, >> > made >> >> >> >> > for >> >> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest > price >> > in >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was >> >> >> >> > writing >> >> >> > down >> >> >> >> > the ingredients. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the >> >> >> >> OAT >> >> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the >> >> >> >> ever-popular >> >> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If >> >> >> >> you >> > put >> >> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled >> > 3-yr. >> >> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and >> >> >> > "compatible >> >> > with >> >> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the > Zerex >> >> > stuff, >> >> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of >> >> >> > changing >> >> > the >> >> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the > green >> >> >> > stuff, >> >> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, > except >> >> >> > for >> >> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green >> >> >> > stuff >> > and >> >> >> > a >> >> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thanks. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Earle >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
The heater core went in my car in college, all of a sudden there was fog on
the inside of the car... "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:45798ed2$0$3478$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > In 1989 Chevrolet put the evaporator in the engine compartment. Don't > know > whether they still do that. Still, replacing the heater core was bad > enough. The first signs that it is going, are that the defroster takes a > long time to take effect, and a funny smell. Green sounds like the way to > go then. > > Earle > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET... >> If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and >> Jeep. >> >> The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5 >> year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying >> 4 >> years so maybe.... >> >> I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I >> would >> rather be safe than sorry. >> >> Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than > the >> radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC discharged....... > If >> $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it sounds like a good >> investment. >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> > Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than >> > IAT? >> > Cool. >> > >> > Earle >> > >> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> > news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET... >> >> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory > with >> > IAT >> >> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new >> > coolant >> >> has better corrosion protection. >> >> >> >> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex >> > Original >> >> brand in the white jug. >> >> >> >> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the > factory >> >> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects..... >> >> >> >> >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> >> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> >> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM >> > warranty >> >> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think >> > that >> >> > I >> >> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the >> >> > coolant >> >> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it >> >> > says >> >> > in >> >> > the >> >> > owner's manual, ¿no? >> >> > >> >> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the >> > manufacturers >> >> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( >> >> > Even >> >> > the >> >> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a >> >> > propietary formula too. >> >> > >> >> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in > Walmart >> > is >> >> > the same as Dexcool. >> >> > >> >> > Earle >> >> > >> >> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET... >> >> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula >> >> >> cannot >> > meet >> >> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. > If >> >> >> a >> >> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT >> >> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM > HOAT >> >> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid >> >> >> technology >> >> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. >> >> > Consequently, >> >> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a > universal >> >> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM >> >> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different >> >> > coolants >> >> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the >> >> >> coolant >> > may >> >> > not >> >> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest >> >> > recommendation >> >> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle >> >> >> manufacturer.... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5 >> >> >> >> >> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT >> >> >> (DexCool), >> > and >> >> >> HOAT (G-05) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> >> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> >> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message >> >> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... >> >> >> >> Earle Horton wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl >> >> > hexanoate, >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic >> >> >> >> > chemistry >> > that >> >> >> > "-oate" >> >> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon > can >> >> >> >> > tell >> >> >> > you, >> >> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super >> >> >> >> > TECH, >> > made >> >> >> >> > for >> >> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest > price >> > in >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was >> >> >> >> > writing >> >> >> > down >> >> >> >> > the ingredients. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the >> >> >> >> OAT >> >> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the >> >> >> >> ever-popular >> >> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If >> >> >> >> you >> > put >> >> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled >> > 3-yr. >> >> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and >> >> >> > "compatible >> >> > with >> >> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the > Zerex >> >> > stuff, >> >> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of >> >> >> > changing >> >> > the >> >> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the > green >> >> >> > stuff, >> >> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, > except >> >> >> > for >> >> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green >> >> >> > stuff >> > and >> >> >> > a >> >> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thanks. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Earle >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
Earle Horton wrote:
> Hope the spam bots don't figure it out. I have enough already. > > Thanks! No sweat, Earle - it's on the way. I wish the automotive world would get their collective 'tish' together and agree on ONE standard. |
Re: Coolant suprise
Earle Horton wrote:
> Hope the spam bots don't figure it out. I have enough already. > > Thanks! No sweat, Earle - it's on the way. I wish the automotive world would get their collective 'tish' together and agree on ONE standard. |
Re: Coolant suprise
Earle Horton wrote:
> Hope the spam bots don't figure it out. I have enough already. > > Thanks! No sweat, Earle - it's on the way. I wish the automotive world would get their collective 'tish' together and agree on ONE standard. |
Re: Coolant suprise
billy ray wrote:
> I would like it also... > > Thanks It's on the way, and you're very welcome. |
Re: Coolant suprise
billy ray wrote:
> I would like it also... > > Thanks It's on the way, and you're very welcome. |
Re: Coolant suprise
billy ray wrote:
> I would like it also... > > Thanks It's on the way, and you're very welcome. |
Re: Coolant suprise
Carl wrote:
> Me too, please. Carlsaiyed at hotmail dot com. It's on the way to you now, Carl. Good reading. |
Re: Coolant suprise
Carl wrote:
> Me too, please. Carlsaiyed at hotmail dot com. It's on the way to you now, Carl. Good reading. |
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