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Re: Coolant suprise
Outatime wrote:
> I have a great PDF tech article that explains all of this; if you're > interested, give me an @address and I'll shoot it over to you. I > don't know where I got it, but it's worthy of any automotive archive. Send it to postmaster at the domain in my sig and I'll put it on the website. -- -- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://revbeergoggles.com HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge! |
Re: Coolant suprise
Outatime wrote:
> I have a great PDF tech article that explains all of this; if you're > interested, give me an @address and I'll shoot it over to you. I > don't know where I got it, but it's worthy of any automotive archive. Send it to postmaster at the domain in my sig and I'll put it on the website. -- -- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://revbeergoggles.com HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge! |
Re: Coolant suprise
Outatime wrote:
> I have a great PDF tech article that explains all of this; if you're > interested, give me an @address and I'll shoot it over to you. I > don't know where I got it, but it's worthy of any automotive archive. Send it to postmaster at the domain in my sig and I'll put it on the website. -- -- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://revbeergoggles.com HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge! |
Re: Coolant suprise
If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and
Jeep. The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5 year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying 4 years so maybe.... I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I would rather be safe than sorry. Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it sounds like a good investment. "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT? > Cool. > > Earle > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET... >> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory with > IAT >> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new > coolant >> has better corrosion protection. >> >> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex > Original >> brand in the white jug. >> >> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the factory >> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects..... >> >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM > warranty >> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think > that >> > I >> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the >> > coolant >> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says >> > in >> > the >> > owner's manual, ¿no? >> > >> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the > manufacturers >> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( >> > Even >> > the >> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a >> > propietary formula too. >> > >> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in Walmart > is >> > the same as Dexcool. >> > >> > Earle >> > >> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET... >> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot > meet >> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If >> >> a >> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT >> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT >> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid >> >> technology >> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. >> > Consequently, >> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal >> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM >> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different >> > coolants >> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant > may >> > not >> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest >> > recommendation >> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle >> >> manufacturer.... >> >> >> >> >> > > http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5 >> >> >> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), > and >> >> HOAT (G-05) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... >> >> >> Earle Horton wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl >> > hexanoate, >> >> > and >> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry > that >> >> > "-oate" >> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can >> >> >> > tell >> >> > you, >> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, > made >> >> >> > for >> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price > in >> > the >> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was >> >> >> > writing >> >> > down >> >> >> > the ingredients. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. >> >> >> >> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT >> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the >> >> >> ever-popular >> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates. >> >> >> >> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the >> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you > put >> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled > 3-yr. >> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and >> >> > "compatible >> > with >> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex >> > stuff, >> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of >> >> > changing >> > the >> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green >> >> > stuff, >> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except >> >> > for >> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff > and >> >> > a >> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. >> >> > >> >> > Thanks. >> >> > >> >> > Earle >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and
Jeep. The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5 year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying 4 years so maybe.... I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I would rather be safe than sorry. Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it sounds like a good investment. "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT? > Cool. > > Earle > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET... >> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory with > IAT >> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new > coolant >> has better corrosion protection. >> >> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex > Original >> brand in the white jug. >> >> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the factory >> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects..... >> >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM > warranty >> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think > that >> > I >> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the >> > coolant >> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says >> > in >> > the >> > owner's manual, ¿no? >> > >> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the > manufacturers >> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( >> > Even >> > the >> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a >> > propietary formula too. >> > >> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in Walmart > is >> > the same as Dexcool. >> > >> > Earle >> > >> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET... >> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot > meet >> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If >> >> a >> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT >> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT >> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid >> >> technology >> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. >> > Consequently, >> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal >> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM >> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different >> > coolants >> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant > may >> > not >> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest >> > recommendation >> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle >> >> manufacturer.... >> >> >> >> >> > > http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5 >> >> >> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), > and >> >> HOAT (G-05) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... >> >> >> Earle Horton wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl >> > hexanoate, >> >> > and >> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry > that >> >> > "-oate" >> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can >> >> >> > tell >> >> > you, >> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, > made >> >> >> > for >> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price > in >> > the >> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was >> >> >> > writing >> >> > down >> >> >> > the ingredients. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. >> >> >> >> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT >> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the >> >> >> ever-popular >> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates. >> >> >> >> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the >> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you > put >> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled > 3-yr. >> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and >> >> > "compatible >> > with >> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex >> > stuff, >> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of >> >> > changing >> > the >> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green >> >> > stuff, >> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except >> >> > for >> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff > and >> >> > a >> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. >> >> > >> >> > Thanks. >> >> > >> >> > Earle >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and
Jeep. The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5 year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying 4 years so maybe.... I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I would rather be safe than sorry. Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than the radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC discharged....... If $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it sounds like a good investment. "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT? > Cool. > > Earle > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET... >> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory with > IAT >> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new > coolant >> has better corrosion protection. >> >> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex > Original >> brand in the white jug. >> >> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the factory >> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects..... >> >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM > warranty >> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think > that >> > I >> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the >> > coolant >> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says >> > in >> > the >> > owner's manual, ¿no? >> > >> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the > manufacturers >> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( >> > Even >> > the >> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a >> > propietary formula too. >> > >> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in Walmart > is >> > the same as Dexcool. >> > >> > Earle >> > >> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET... >> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot > meet >> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If >> >> a >> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT >> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT >> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid >> >> technology >> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. >> > Consequently, >> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal >> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM >> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different >> > coolants >> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant > may >> > not >> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest >> > recommendation >> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle >> >> manufacturer.... >> >> >> >> >> > > http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5 >> >> >> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), > and >> >> HOAT (G-05) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... >> >> >> Earle Horton wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl >> > hexanoate, >> >> > and >> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry > that >> >> > "-oate" >> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can >> >> >> > tell >> >> > you, >> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, > made >> >> >> > for >> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price > in >> > the >> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was >> >> >> > writing >> >> > down >> >> >> > the ingredients. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. >> >> >> >> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT >> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the >> >> >> ever-popular >> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates. >> >> >> >> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the >> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you > put >> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled > 3-yr. >> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and >> >> > "compatible >> > with >> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex >> > stuff, >> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of >> >> > changing >> > the >> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green >> >> > stuff, >> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except >> >> > for >> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff > and >> >> > a >> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. >> >> > >> >> > Thanks. >> >> > >> >> > Earle >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
In 1989 Chevrolet put the evaporator in the engine compartment. Don't know
whether they still do that. Still, replacing the heater core was bad enough. The first signs that it is going, are that the defroster takes a long time to take effect, and a funny smell. Green sounds like the way to go then. Earle "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET... > If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and > Jeep. > > The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5 > year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying 4 > years so maybe.... > > I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I would > rather be safe than sorry. > > Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than the > radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC discharged....... If > $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it sounds like a good > investment. > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > > Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT? > > Cool. > > > > Earle > > > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > > news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET... > >> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory with > > IAT > >> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new > > coolant > >> has better corrosion protection. > >> > >> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex > > Original > >> brand in the white jug. > >> > >> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the factory > >> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects..... > >> > >> > >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > >> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > >> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM > > warranty > >> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think > > that > >> > I > >> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the > >> > coolant > >> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says > >> > in > >> > the > >> > owner's manual, ¿no? > >> > > >> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the > > manufacturers > >> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( > >> > Even > >> > the > >> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a > >> > propietary formula too. > >> > > >> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in Walmart > > is > >> > the same as Dexcool. > >> > > >> > Earle > >> > > >> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > >> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET... > >> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot > > meet > >> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If > >> >> a > >> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT > >> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT > >> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid > >> >> technology > >> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. > >> > Consequently, > >> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal > >> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM > >> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different > >> > coolants > >> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant > > may > >> > not > >> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest > >> > recommendation > >> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle > >> >> manufacturer.... > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > > http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5 > >> >> > >> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), > > and > >> >> HOAT (G-05) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > >> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message > >> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... > >> >> >> Earle Horton wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl > >> > hexanoate, > >> >> > and > >> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry > > that > >> >> > "-oate" > >> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can > >> >> >> > tell > >> >> > you, > >> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, > > made > >> >> >> > for > >> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price > > in > >> > the > >> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was > >> >> >> > writing > >> >> > down > >> >> >> > the ingredients. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT > >> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the > >> >> >> ever-popular > >> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the > >> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you > > put > >> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled > > 3-yr. > >> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and > >> >> > "compatible > >> > with > >> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex > >> > stuff, > >> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of > >> >> > changing > >> > the > >> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green > >> >> > stuff, > >> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except > >> >> > for > >> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff > > and > >> >> > a > >> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks. > >> >> > > >> >> > Earle > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
In 1989 Chevrolet put the evaporator in the engine compartment. Don't know
whether they still do that. Still, replacing the heater core was bad enough. The first signs that it is going, are that the defroster takes a long time to take effect, and a funny smell. Green sounds like the way to go then. Earle "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET... > If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and > Jeep. > > The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5 > year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying 4 > years so maybe.... > > I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I would > rather be safe than sorry. > > Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than the > radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC discharged....... If > $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it sounds like a good > investment. > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > > Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT? > > Cool. > > > > Earle > > > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > > news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET... > >> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory with > > IAT > >> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new > > coolant > >> has better corrosion protection. > >> > >> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex > > Original > >> brand in the white jug. > >> > >> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the factory > >> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects..... > >> > >> > >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > >> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > >> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM > > warranty > >> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think > > that > >> > I > >> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the > >> > coolant > >> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says > >> > in > >> > the > >> > owner's manual, ¿no? > >> > > >> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the > > manufacturers > >> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( > >> > Even > >> > the > >> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a > >> > propietary formula too. > >> > > >> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in Walmart > > is > >> > the same as Dexcool. > >> > > >> > Earle > >> > > >> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > >> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET... > >> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot > > meet > >> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If > >> >> a > >> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT > >> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT > >> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid > >> >> technology > >> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. > >> > Consequently, > >> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal > >> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM > >> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different > >> > coolants > >> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant > > may > >> > not > >> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest > >> > recommendation > >> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle > >> >> manufacturer.... > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > > http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5 > >> >> > >> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), > > and > >> >> HOAT (G-05) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > >> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message > >> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... > >> >> >> Earle Horton wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl > >> > hexanoate, > >> >> > and > >> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry > > that > >> >> > "-oate" > >> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can > >> >> >> > tell > >> >> > you, > >> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, > > made > >> >> >> > for > >> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price > > in > >> > the > >> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was > >> >> >> > writing > >> >> > down > >> >> >> > the ingredients. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT > >> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the > >> >> >> ever-popular > >> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the > >> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you > > put > >> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled > > 3-yr. > >> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and > >> >> > "compatible > >> > with > >> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex > >> > stuff, > >> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of > >> >> > changing > >> > the > >> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green > >> >> > stuff, > >> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except > >> >> > for > >> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff > > and > >> >> > a > >> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks. > >> >> > > >> >> > Earle > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
In 1989 Chevrolet put the evaporator in the engine compartment. Don't know
whether they still do that. Still, replacing the heater core was bad enough. The first signs that it is going, are that the defroster takes a long time to take effect, and a funny smell. Green sounds like the way to go then. Earle "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET... > If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and > Jeep. > > The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5 > year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying 4 > years so maybe.... > > I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I would > rather be safe than sorry. > > Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than the > radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC discharged....... If > $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it sounds like a good > investment. > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > > Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than IAT? > > Cool. > > > > Earle > > > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > > news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET... > >> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory with > > IAT > >> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new > > coolant > >> has better corrosion protection. > >> > >> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex > > Original > >> brand in the white jug. > >> > >> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the factory > >> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects..... > >> > >> > >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > >> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > >> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM > > warranty > >> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think > > that > >> > I > >> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the > >> > coolant > >> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says > >> > in > >> > the > >> > owner's manual, ¿no? > >> > > >> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the > > manufacturers > >> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( > >> > Even > >> > the > >> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a > >> > propietary formula too. > >> > > >> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in Walmart > > is > >> > the same as Dexcool. > >> > > >> > Earle > >> > > >> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > >> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET... > >> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot > > meet > >> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If > >> >> a > >> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT > >> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT > >> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid > >> >> technology > >> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. > >> > Consequently, > >> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal > >> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM > >> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different > >> > coolants > >> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant > > may > >> > not > >> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest > >> > recommendation > >> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle > >> >> manufacturer.... > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > > http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5 > >> >> > >> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), > > and > >> >> HOAT (G-05) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > >> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message > >> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... > >> >> >> Earle Horton wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl > >> > hexanoate, > >> >> > and > >> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry > > that > >> >> > "-oate" > >> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can > >> >> >> > tell > >> >> > you, > >> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, > > made > >> >> >> > for > >> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price > > in > >> > the > >> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was > >> >> >> > writing > >> >> > down > >> >> >> > the ingredients. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT > >> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the > >> >> >> ever-popular > >> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the > >> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you > > put > >> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled > > 3-yr. > >> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and > >> >> > "compatible > >> > with > >> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex > >> > stuff, > >> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of > >> >> > changing > >> > the > >> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green > >> >> > stuff, > >> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except > >> >> > for > >> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff > > and > >> >> > a > >> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks. > >> >> > > >> >> > Earle > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
The heater core went in my car in college, all of a sudden there was fog on
the inside of the car... "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:45798ed2$0$3478$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > In 1989 Chevrolet put the evaporator in the engine compartment. Don't > know > whether they still do that. Still, replacing the heater core was bad > enough. The first signs that it is going, are that the defroster takes a > long time to take effect, and a funny smell. Green sounds like the way to > go then. > > Earle > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:9e586$45792a3e$422afc51$13501@FUSE.NET... >> If you want to be on the safe side the Zerex Green will cover your GM and >> Jeep. >> >> The Zerex Green is a 5 year/100k formula..... I'm not so sure about the 5 >> year part...... but then Ford toward the end of the green era was saying >> 4 >> years so maybe.... >> >> I plan on doing mine at 4 years.... just to be on the safe side as I >> would >> rather be safe than sorry. >> >> Add to that if the corrosion takes place in the heater core rather than > the >> radiator the whole dashboard had to come out and the AC discharged....... > If >> $20 worth of coolant can save me $1000 in labor it sounds like a good >> investment. >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> news:4578f36c$0$3518$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> > Muchas gracias. So you're saying that G-05 is actually better than >> > IAT? >> > Cool. >> > >> > Earle >> > >> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> > news:cab74$4578d71a$422afc51$21307@FUSE.NET... >> >> DC says you can use G-05 in its vehicles that came from the factory > with >> > IAT >> >> Green coolant.... it is the current suggestion to upgrade as the new >> > coolant >> >> has better corrosion protection. >> >> >> >> If you would like to stay with Green it is still available in Zerex >> > Original >> >> brand in the white jug. >> >> >> >> I would not put DexCool in any vehicle that did not come from the > factory >> >> with it.....there are too many questions about its side effects..... >> >> >> >> >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> >> news:457834c3$0$3508$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> >> > This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM >> > warranty >> >> > requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think >> > that >> >> > I >> >> > will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the >> >> > coolant >> >> > specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it >> >> > says >> >> > in >> >> > the >> >> > owner's manual, ¿no? >> >> > >> >> > It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the >> > manufacturers >> >> > decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( >> >> > Even >> >> > the >> >> > Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a >> >> > propietary formula too. >> >> > >> >> > Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in > Walmart >> > is >> >> > the same as Dexcool. >> >> > >> >> > Earle >> >> > >> >> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET... >> >> >> ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula >> >> >> cannot >> > meet >> >> >> the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. > If >> >> >> a >> >> >> universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT >> >> >> specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM > HOAT >> >> >> specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid >> >> >> technology >> >> >> ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. >> >> > Consequently, >> >> >> some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a > universal >> >> >> coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM >> >> >> specifications. This means distributors must offer three different >> >> > coolants >> >> >> to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the >> >> >> coolant >> > may >> >> > not >> >> >> satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest >> >> > recommendation >> >> >> is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle >> >> >> manufacturer.... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5 >> >> >> >> >> >> FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT >> >> >> (DexCool), >> > and >> >> >> HOAT (G-05) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> >> >> news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> >> >> > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message >> >> >> > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... >> >> >> >> Earle Horton wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl >> >> > hexanoate, >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic >> >> >> >> > chemistry >> > that >> >> >> > "-oate" >> >> >> >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon > can >> >> >> >> > tell >> >> >> > you, >> >> >> >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super >> >> >> >> > TECH, >> > made >> >> >> >> > for >> >> >> >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest > price >> > in >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was >> >> >> >> > writing >> >> >> > down >> >> >> >> > the ingredients. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the >> >> >> >> OAT >> >> >> >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the >> >> >> >> ever-popular >> >> >> >> absence of silicates and phosphates. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If >> >> >> >> you >> > put >> >> >> >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled >> > 3-yr. >> >> >> >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and >> >> >> > "compatible >> >> > with >> >> >> > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the > Zerex >> >> > stuff, >> >> >> > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of >> >> >> > changing >> >> > the >> >> >> > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the > green >> >> >> > stuff, >> >> >> > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, > except >> >> >> > for >> >> >> > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green >> >> >> > stuff >> > and >> >> >> > a >> >> >> > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thanks. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Earle >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > |
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