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Re: Coolant suprise
Earle Horton wrote:
> Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate, and > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that "-oate" > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell you, > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made for > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing down > the ingredients. > > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular absence of silicates and phosphates. Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr. old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. |
Re: Coolant suprise
Earle Horton wrote:
> Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate, and > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that "-oate" > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell you, > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made for > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing down > the ingredients. > > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular absence of silicates and phosphates. Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr. old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. |
Re: Coolant suprise
Earle Horton wrote:
> Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate, and > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that "-oate" > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell you, > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made for > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing down > the ingredients. > > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular absence of silicates and phosphates. Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr. old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. |
Re: Coolant suprise
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... > Earle Horton wrote: > > > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate, and > > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that "-oate" > > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell you, > > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made for > > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the > > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing down > > the ingredients. > > > > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) > > I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. > > If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT > portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular > absence of silicates and phosphates. > > Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the > coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put > this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr. > old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff, or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green stuff, but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. Thanks. Earle |
Re: Coolant suprise
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... > Earle Horton wrote: > > > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate, and > > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that "-oate" > > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell you, > > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made for > > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the > > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing down > > the ingredients. > > > > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) > > I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. > > If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT > portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular > absence of silicates and phosphates. > > Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the > coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put > this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr. > old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff, or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green stuff, but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. Thanks. Earle |
Re: Coolant suprise
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... > Earle Horton wrote: > > > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate, and > > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that "-oate" > > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell you, > > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made for > > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the > > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing down > > the ingredients. > > > > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) > > I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. > > If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT > portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular > absence of silicates and phosphates. > > Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the > coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put > this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr. > old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff, or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green stuff, but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. Thanks. Earle |
Re: Coolant suprise
....The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot meet
the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If a universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid technology ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. Consequently, some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM specifications. This means distributors must offer three different coolants to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant may not satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest recommendation is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle manufacturer.... http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5 FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), and HOAT (G-05) "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... >> Earle Horton wrote: >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate, > and >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that > "-oate" >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell > you, >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made >> > for >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing > down >> > the ingredients. >> > >> > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular >> absence of silicates and phosphates. >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr. >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. >> > > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff, > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green > stuff, > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. > > Thanks. > > Earle > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
....The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot meet
the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If a universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid technology ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. Consequently, some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM specifications. This means distributors must offer three different coolants to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant may not satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest recommendation is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle manufacturer.... http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5 FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), and HOAT (G-05) "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... >> Earle Horton wrote: >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate, > and >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that > "-oate" >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell > you, >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made >> > for >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing > down >> > the ingredients. >> > >> > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular >> absence of silicates and phosphates. >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr. >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. >> > > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff, > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green > stuff, > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. > > Thanks. > > Earle > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
....The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot meet
the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If a universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid technology ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. Consequently, some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM specifications. This means distributors must offer three different coolants to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant may not satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest recommendation is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle manufacturer.... http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5 FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), and HOAT (G-05) "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... >> Earle Horton wrote: >> >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate, > and >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that > "-oate" >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell > you, >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made >> > for >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing > down >> > the ingredients. >> > >> > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) >> >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. >> >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular >> absence of silicates and phosphates. >> >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr. >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. >> > > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff, > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green > stuff, > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. > > Thanks. > > Earle > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
This is like Catch-22. I am not so worried about meeting the OEM warranty
requirements for a 1989 Suburban and a 1995 Wrangler. I don't think that I will be putting in warranty claims any time soon. In both cases the coolant specified by the vehicle manufacturer appears to be IAT, like it says in the owner's manual, ¿no? It appears that the reason for the new coolants, is that the manufacturers decided to start building engine components out of pot metal. :o( Even the Honda Civic that I have used IAT from the factory. Now they have a propietary formula too. Heh, Outatime says that the universal stuff that I looked at in Walmart is the same as Dexcool. Earle "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:aa57f$45779d64$422afc51$1785@FUSE.NET... > ...The issue with universal coolants is that a single formula cannot meet > the conflicting OEM specifications for IAT, OAT and HOAT coolants. If a > universal coolant contains silicates, it does not meet the OEM OAT > specification. If it contains no silicates, it can't meet the OEM HOAT > specification. And if it contains phosphates or inorganic acid technology > ingredients, it can't meet the OEM OAT or HOAT specifications. Consequently, > some antifreeze suppliers argue there is no such thing as a universal > coolant because one formula cannot meet all the conflicting OEM > specifications. This means distributors must offer three different coolants > to meet the IAT, OAT and HOAT specifications - otherwise the coolant may not > satisfy the OEM warranty requirements. That's why the safest recommendation > is to use the type of coolant specified by the vehicle manufacturer.... > > http://www.aftermarketnews.com/Print...=4&id=3&item=5 > > FWIW: Valvoline makes all three formulas IAT (Green), OAT (DexCool), and > HOAT (G-05) > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > news:4577a6eb$0$3465$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > > "Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message > > news:IqmdnTmNhf-xFerYnZ2dnUVZ_t6qnZ2d@softcom.net... > >> Earle Horton wrote: > >> > >> > Heh, it's ethylene glycol, diethylene glycol, sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate, > > and > >> > sodium neodecanoate. I seem to remember from organic chemistry that > > "-oate" > >> > is probably an organic acid or buffer, but as Bill and Simon can tell > > you, > >> > things get blurry with advancing age. This is the "Super TECH, made > >> > for > >> > Walmart" stuff, or the current incarnation thereof, lowest price in the > >> > store. Two or three guys picked up a gallon each while I was writing > > down > >> > the ingredients. > >> > > >> > No mention of mule piss or sweat shops on the container. ;^) > >> > >> I'm surprised, given truth-in-advertising laws and all. > >> > >> If looking for an HOAT for Jeeps, clues include Benzoate (the OAT > >> portion), sebacate and borate (the inhibitors), and the ever-popular > >> absence of silicates and phosphates. > >> > >> Incidentally, presense of 2-EHA (sodium 2-ethyl hexanoate) in the > >> coolant you've examined means you're looking at Dex-cool. If you put > >> this in a Jeep, I don't want to hear you whining like a spoiled 3-yr. > >> old later when you have to replace the entire cooling system. > >> > > > > That's interesting, because the stuff is dyed yellow, and "compatible with > > all coolants". Guess I won't buy it. Sounds like I want the Zerex stuff, > > or the green formulation if they have it. I was thinking of changing the > > coolant in the Suburban. The last time it was done I used the green > > stuff, > > but I am running out now. The last time I bought antifreeze, except for > > "Honda Genuine Coolant" was 1999. I got a drum of the green stuff and a > > couple cases besides from Walmart. Good stuff too. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Earle > > > > > > |
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