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Re: Coolant suprise
I just got three gallons of the Zerex G-05 for the TJ, which I plan to flush
& fill this week if it gets above freezing, replacing the Zerex green. Billy, any advice? (I already have the flush tee installed.) "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:b5b03$457451e4$422afc51$13637@FUSE.NET... > It is hard to say. Industry publications say that the 'automotive' > Prestones are all OAT which is what DexCool uses. The Peak marketed > specifically for DC, Ford and Mercedes is OAT according to the Peak > website. > > Most brands either claim OAT or refuse to reveal what anti corrosive > package they use. > > If you want the old fashioned "Green' coolant it is/was using IAT > anti-corrosives. The only company I know for sure still makes it is Zerex > in the white jug. > > The new stuff is G-05 (HOAT or Glysantin) spec. I wouldn't use anything > that doesn't say it contains one or more of these terms in big letters on > the bottle. I would avoid products that don't list the package used and > only say things like 'recommended for'. If it meets the G-05 standard > it will say so clearly. > > Wal-Mart used to post MSDS sheets online somewhere, it may well tell you > who the original manufacturer is and the chemical composition (other than > the ethylene glycol base) > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > news:45745947$0$3480$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>I wonder what is in the WalMart no-name concentrate? It appears to be >>pale >> yellow too. They also sell the Prestone 50/50 mix, for the same price as >> the no-name concentrate. >> >> Earle >> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> news:e0620$4573be4d$422afc51$9785@FUSE.NET... >>> Zerex G-05 in the aftermarket is pale yellow. >>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...18433873&idx=5 >>> >>> In other applications it is: >>> (http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10) >>> What vehicles use Zerex G-05 in the factory fill and what is the dye >> color? >>> 1984 Mercedes and beyond (light yellow) >>> 1990 Deere and Company vehicles and beyond (green) >>> 2001 Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep and beyond (orange) >>> 2002 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury trucks and SUVS and beyond (yellow) >>> 2003 Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury automobiles and beyond (yellow) >>> >>> You are certainly free to use Prestone, but this is what DC warns you >>> will >>> happen: >>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 >>> >>> >>> >>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >>> news:-NOdnQz-NLK3Ke7YnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>> > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the heater >>> > hoses and completely flushed everything untill clear water came out. >>> > Here's what's got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone checked it >> with >>> > the tester, it was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor was >>> > reasonably green. Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the Gold >>> > jug.. >>> > the coolant was CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use the >>> > G-05 >>> > instead of the regular prestone? >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > >>> > Carl >>> > >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
I just got three gallons of the Zerex G-05 for the TJ, which I plan to flush
& fill this week if it gets above freezing, replacing the Zerex green. Billy, any advice? (I already have the flush tee installed.) "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:b5b03$457451e4$422afc51$13637@FUSE.NET... > It is hard to say. Industry publications say that the 'automotive' > Prestones are all OAT which is what DexCool uses. The Peak marketed > specifically for DC, Ford and Mercedes is OAT according to the Peak > website. > > Most brands either claim OAT or refuse to reveal what anti corrosive > package they use. > > If you want the old fashioned "Green' coolant it is/was using IAT > anti-corrosives. The only company I know for sure still makes it is Zerex > in the white jug. > > The new stuff is G-05 (HOAT or Glysantin) spec. I wouldn't use anything > that doesn't say it contains one or more of these terms in big letters on > the bottle. I would avoid products that don't list the package used and > only say things like 'recommended for'. If it meets the G-05 standard > it will say so clearly. > > Wal-Mart used to post MSDS sheets online somewhere, it may well tell you > who the original manufacturer is and the chemical composition (other than > the ethylene glycol base) > > > > "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message > news:45745947$0$3480$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>I wonder what is in the WalMart no-name concentrate? It appears to be >>pale >> yellow too. They also sell the Prestone 50/50 mix, for the same price as >> the no-name concentrate. >> >> Earle >> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> news:e0620$4573be4d$422afc51$9785@FUSE.NET... >>> Zerex G-05 in the aftermarket is pale yellow. >>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...18433873&idx=5 >>> >>> In other applications it is: >>> (http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10) >>> What vehicles use Zerex G-05 in the factory fill and what is the dye >> color? >>> 1984 Mercedes and beyond (light yellow) >>> 1990 Deere and Company vehicles and beyond (green) >>> 2001 Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep and beyond (orange) >>> 2002 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury trucks and SUVS and beyond (yellow) >>> 2003 Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury automobiles and beyond (yellow) >>> >>> You are certainly free to use Prestone, but this is what DC warns you >>> will >>> happen: >>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 >>> >>> >>> >>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >>> news:-NOdnQz-NLK3Ke7YnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>> > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the heater >>> > hoses and completely flushed everything untill clear water came out. >>> > Here's what's got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone checked it >> with >>> > the tester, it was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor was >>> > reasonably green. Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the Gold >>> > jug.. >>> > the coolant was CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use the >>> > G-05 >>> > instead of the regular prestone? >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > >>> > Carl >>> > >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
Earle,
Peak offers a "Universal" coolant that is also "Lifetime" According to their own website and MSDS it contains OAT inhibitors. OAT inhibitors are specifically prohibited by DC, Ford, and Mercedes in the Factory Service ad Owner's Manuals. MSDS: http://www.peakantifreeze.com/msds/m...l_lifetime.pdf That would seem to make the universe a smaller place than you would first think. On this products main web page they claim to meet ASTM D-3306 and ASTM D-4340 What are these test you ask... ASTM D-4340 measures Aluminum Corrosion - Heat Rejection at 25% concentration ASTM D-3306 measures pH, Foaming Properties at 88C, Initial Crystallization <-37C, & Staining Characteristics. They 'Recommend" , but do not apparently meet, 14 other application standards including 6 from DC, Ford, & Mercedes. This is of interest because, as mentioned above, DC, Ford, & Mercedes specifically prohibit the use of OAT inhibitors in their cooling systems. What it come down to is the only brands which I am sure meet the old DC specs is Zerex Green in the white Jug, Zerex G-05 in the gold jug meets the new spec. I got my Zerex at PepBoys, it is also listed in the NAPA web site. I was told there was a manufacturer's rebate offer running but have not see the forms myself. "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:4574a386$0$3484$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > It would be helpful to know if the cheap-ass (pardon my French) stuff is > "safe for all uses" like it says on the can. Next time I get a chance, I > will see what I can figure out from the label. If so, I know what I would > use. > > Earle > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:b9458$457485e6$422afc51$24392@FUSE.NET... >> Ya know, It wasn't that long ago that it didn't matter what brand you >> bought because it was all IAT coolant.... >> >> That basic formula was made by everyone and it had been in use for > decades >> but was no longer able to keep up with the changes in cooling system >> requirements. >> >> >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> news:45746513$0$3517$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> >I said "no name" because the name wasn't recognizible. It could easily > be >> > made by one of the name brand manufacturers. I'll bet it's the >> > cheapest >> > formulation though, and which one is that? There is a lot of > information >> > on >> > the back, including the major ingredients. Next time I go I'll see if >> > I >> > can >> > figure it out. >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Earle >> > >> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> > news:b5b03$457451e4$422afc51$13637@FUSE.NET... >> >> It is hard to say. Industry publications say that the 'automotive' >> >> Prestones are all OAT which is what DexCool uses. The Peak marketed >> >> specifically for DC, Ford and Mercedes is OAT according to the Peak >> > website. >> >> >> >> Most brands either claim OAT or refuse to reveal what anti corrosive >> > package >> >> they use. >> >> >> >> If you want the old fashioned "Green' coolant it is/was using IAT >> >> anti-corrosives. The only company I know for sure still makes it is >> >> Zerex >> >> in the white jug. >> >> >> >> The new stuff is G-05 (HOAT or Glysantin) spec. I wouldn't use > anything >> >> that doesn't say it contains one or more of these terms in big letters > on >> >> the bottle. I would avoid products that don't list the package used > and >> >> only say things like 'recommended for'. If it meets the G-05 > standard >> > it >> >> will say so clearly. >> >> >> >> Wal-Mart used to post MSDS sheets online somewhere, it may well tell > you >> > who >> >> the original manufacturer is and the chemical composition (other than > the >> >> ethylene glycol base) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> >> news:45745947$0$3480$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> >> >I wonder what is in the WalMart no-name concentrate? It appears to >> >> >be >> > pale >> >> > yellow too. They also sell the Prestone 50/50 mix, for the same > price >> > as >> >> > the no-name concentrate. >> >> > >> >> > Earle >> >> > >> >> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:e0620$4573be4d$422afc51$9785@FUSE.NET... >> >> >> Zerex G-05 in the aftermarket is pale yellow. >> >> >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...18433873&idx=5 >> >> >> >> >> >> In other applications it is: >> >> >> > (http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10) >> >> >> What vehicles use Zerex G-05 in the factory fill and what is the >> >> >> dye >> >> > color? >> >> >> 1984 Mercedes and beyond (light yellow) >> >> >> 1990 Deere and Company vehicles and beyond (green) >> >> >> 2001 Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep and beyond (orange) >> >> >> 2002 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury trucks and SUVS and beyond (yellow) >> >> >> 2003 Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury automobiles and beyond (yellow) >> >> >> >> >> >> You are certainly free to use Prestone, but this is what DC warns > you >> >> >> will >> >> >> happen: >> >> >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >> >> >> news:-NOdnQz-NLK3Ke7YnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> >> > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the >> >> >> > heater >> >> >> > hoses and completely flushed everything untill clear water came > out. >> >> >> > Here's what's got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone checked > it >> >> > with >> >> >> > the tester, it was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor > was >> >> >> > reasonably green. Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the Gold >> > jug.. >> >> >> > the coolant was CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use >> >> >> > the >> > G-05 >> >> >> > instead of the regular prestone? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thanks, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Carl >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
Earle,
Peak offers a "Universal" coolant that is also "Lifetime" According to their own website and MSDS it contains OAT inhibitors. OAT inhibitors are specifically prohibited by DC, Ford, and Mercedes in the Factory Service ad Owner's Manuals. MSDS: http://www.peakantifreeze.com/msds/m...l_lifetime.pdf That would seem to make the universe a smaller place than you would first think. On this products main web page they claim to meet ASTM D-3306 and ASTM D-4340 What are these test you ask... ASTM D-4340 measures Aluminum Corrosion - Heat Rejection at 25% concentration ASTM D-3306 measures pH, Foaming Properties at 88C, Initial Crystallization <-37C, & Staining Characteristics. They 'Recommend" , but do not apparently meet, 14 other application standards including 6 from DC, Ford, & Mercedes. This is of interest because, as mentioned above, DC, Ford, & Mercedes specifically prohibit the use of OAT inhibitors in their cooling systems. What it come down to is the only brands which I am sure meet the old DC specs is Zerex Green in the white Jug, Zerex G-05 in the gold jug meets the new spec. I got my Zerex at PepBoys, it is also listed in the NAPA web site. I was told there was a manufacturer's rebate offer running but have not see the forms myself. "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:4574a386$0$3484$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > It would be helpful to know if the cheap-ass (pardon my French) stuff is > "safe for all uses" like it says on the can. Next time I get a chance, I > will see what I can figure out from the label. If so, I know what I would > use. > > Earle > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:b9458$457485e6$422afc51$24392@FUSE.NET... >> Ya know, It wasn't that long ago that it didn't matter what brand you >> bought because it was all IAT coolant.... >> >> That basic formula was made by everyone and it had been in use for > decades >> but was no longer able to keep up with the changes in cooling system >> requirements. >> >> >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> news:45746513$0$3517$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> >I said "no name" because the name wasn't recognizible. It could easily > be >> > made by one of the name brand manufacturers. I'll bet it's the >> > cheapest >> > formulation though, and which one is that? There is a lot of > information >> > on >> > the back, including the major ingredients. Next time I go I'll see if >> > I >> > can >> > figure it out. >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Earle >> > >> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> > news:b5b03$457451e4$422afc51$13637@FUSE.NET... >> >> It is hard to say. Industry publications say that the 'automotive' >> >> Prestones are all OAT which is what DexCool uses. The Peak marketed >> >> specifically for DC, Ford and Mercedes is OAT according to the Peak >> > website. >> >> >> >> Most brands either claim OAT or refuse to reveal what anti corrosive >> > package >> >> they use. >> >> >> >> If you want the old fashioned "Green' coolant it is/was using IAT >> >> anti-corrosives. The only company I know for sure still makes it is >> >> Zerex >> >> in the white jug. >> >> >> >> The new stuff is G-05 (HOAT or Glysantin) spec. I wouldn't use > anything >> >> that doesn't say it contains one or more of these terms in big letters > on >> >> the bottle. I would avoid products that don't list the package used > and >> >> only say things like 'recommended for'. If it meets the G-05 > standard >> > it >> >> will say so clearly. >> >> >> >> Wal-Mart used to post MSDS sheets online somewhere, it may well tell > you >> > who >> >> the original manufacturer is and the chemical composition (other than > the >> >> ethylene glycol base) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> >> news:45745947$0$3480$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> >> >I wonder what is in the WalMart no-name concentrate? It appears to >> >> >be >> > pale >> >> > yellow too. They also sell the Prestone 50/50 mix, for the same > price >> > as >> >> > the no-name concentrate. >> >> > >> >> > Earle >> >> > >> >> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:e0620$4573be4d$422afc51$9785@FUSE.NET... >> >> >> Zerex G-05 in the aftermarket is pale yellow. >> >> >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...18433873&idx=5 >> >> >> >> >> >> In other applications it is: >> >> >> > (http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10) >> >> >> What vehicles use Zerex G-05 in the factory fill and what is the >> >> >> dye >> >> > color? >> >> >> 1984 Mercedes and beyond (light yellow) >> >> >> 1990 Deere and Company vehicles and beyond (green) >> >> >> 2001 Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep and beyond (orange) >> >> >> 2002 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury trucks and SUVS and beyond (yellow) >> >> >> 2003 Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury automobiles and beyond (yellow) >> >> >> >> >> >> You are certainly free to use Prestone, but this is what DC warns > you >> >> >> will >> >> >> happen: >> >> >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >> >> >> news:-NOdnQz-NLK3Ke7YnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> >> > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the >> >> >> > heater >> >> >> > hoses and completely flushed everything untill clear water came > out. >> >> >> > Here's what's got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone checked > it >> >> > with >> >> >> > the tester, it was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor > was >> >> >> > reasonably green. Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the Gold >> > jug.. >> >> >> > the coolant was CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use >> >> >> > the >> > G-05 >> >> >> > instead of the regular prestone? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thanks, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Carl >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
Earle,
Peak offers a "Universal" coolant that is also "Lifetime" According to their own website and MSDS it contains OAT inhibitors. OAT inhibitors are specifically prohibited by DC, Ford, and Mercedes in the Factory Service ad Owner's Manuals. MSDS: http://www.peakantifreeze.com/msds/m...l_lifetime.pdf That would seem to make the universe a smaller place than you would first think. On this products main web page they claim to meet ASTM D-3306 and ASTM D-4340 What are these test you ask... ASTM D-4340 measures Aluminum Corrosion - Heat Rejection at 25% concentration ASTM D-3306 measures pH, Foaming Properties at 88C, Initial Crystallization <-37C, & Staining Characteristics. They 'Recommend" , but do not apparently meet, 14 other application standards including 6 from DC, Ford, & Mercedes. This is of interest because, as mentioned above, DC, Ford, & Mercedes specifically prohibit the use of OAT inhibitors in their cooling systems. What it come down to is the only brands which I am sure meet the old DC specs is Zerex Green in the white Jug, Zerex G-05 in the gold jug meets the new spec. I got my Zerex at PepBoys, it is also listed in the NAPA web site. I was told there was a manufacturer's rebate offer running but have not see the forms myself. "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message news:4574a386$0$3484$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > It would be helpful to know if the cheap-ass (pardon my French) stuff is > "safe for all uses" like it says on the can. Next time I get a chance, I > will see what I can figure out from the label. If so, I know what I would > use. > > Earle > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:b9458$457485e6$422afc51$24392@FUSE.NET... >> Ya know, It wasn't that long ago that it didn't matter what brand you >> bought because it was all IAT coolant.... >> >> That basic formula was made by everyone and it had been in use for > decades >> but was no longer able to keep up with the changes in cooling system >> requirements. >> >> >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> news:45746513$0$3517$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> >I said "no name" because the name wasn't recognizible. It could easily > be >> > made by one of the name brand manufacturers. I'll bet it's the >> > cheapest >> > formulation though, and which one is that? There is a lot of > information >> > on >> > the back, including the major ingredients. Next time I go I'll see if >> > I >> > can >> > figure it out. >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Earle >> > >> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> > news:b5b03$457451e4$422afc51$13637@FUSE.NET... >> >> It is hard to say. Industry publications say that the 'automotive' >> >> Prestones are all OAT which is what DexCool uses. The Peak marketed >> >> specifically for DC, Ford and Mercedes is OAT according to the Peak >> > website. >> >> >> >> Most brands either claim OAT or refuse to reveal what anti corrosive >> > package >> >> they use. >> >> >> >> If you want the old fashioned "Green' coolant it is/was using IAT >> >> anti-corrosives. The only company I know for sure still makes it is >> >> Zerex >> >> in the white jug. >> >> >> >> The new stuff is G-05 (HOAT or Glysantin) spec. I wouldn't use > anything >> >> that doesn't say it contains one or more of these terms in big letters > on >> >> the bottle. I would avoid products that don't list the package used > and >> >> only say things like 'recommended for'. If it meets the G-05 > standard >> > it >> >> will say so clearly. >> >> >> >> Wal-Mart used to post MSDS sheets online somewhere, it may well tell > you >> > who >> >> the original manufacturer is and the chemical composition (other than > the >> >> ethylene glycol base) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> >> news:45745947$0$3480$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >> >> >I wonder what is in the WalMart no-name concentrate? It appears to >> >> >be >> > pale >> >> > yellow too. They also sell the Prestone 50/50 mix, for the same > price >> > as >> >> > the no-name concentrate. >> >> > >> >> > Earle >> >> > >> >> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> >> > news:e0620$4573be4d$422afc51$9785@FUSE.NET... >> >> >> Zerex G-05 in the aftermarket is pale yellow. >> >> >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...18433873&idx=5 >> >> >> >> >> >> In other applications it is: >> >> >> > (http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10) >> >> >> What vehicles use Zerex G-05 in the factory fill and what is the >> >> >> dye >> >> > color? >> >> >> 1984 Mercedes and beyond (light yellow) >> >> >> 1990 Deere and Company vehicles and beyond (green) >> >> >> 2001 Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep and beyond (orange) >> >> >> 2002 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury trucks and SUVS and beyond (yellow) >> >> >> 2003 Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury automobiles and beyond (yellow) >> >> >> >> >> >> You are certainly free to use Prestone, but this is what DC warns > you >> >> >> will >> >> >> happen: >> >> >> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >> >> >> news:-NOdnQz-NLK3Ke7YnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> >> > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the >> >> >> > heater >> >> >> > hoses and completely flushed everything untill clear water came > out. >> >> >> > Here's what's got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone checked > it >> >> > with >> >> >> > the tester, it was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor > was >> >> >> > reasonably green. Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the Gold >> > jug.. >> >> >> > the coolant was CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use >> >> >> > the >> > G-05 >> >> >> > instead of the regular prestone? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thanks, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Carl >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
3 gallons? What is the capacity of your cooling system?
I used 2 gallons in my 15 quart system which gives me 53.3% = - 43/+267 coverage Maximum coverage is achieved at 68%, greater than that the coverage actually decreases rapidly http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...lant%20Charts/ Be sure to clean the expansion tank also. If you have a layer of slime or scum you may want to use a flush (mild) or cleaner (harsh) solution. It would be worthwhile to be sure the heater core is drained or flushed with distilled water. The minerals in tap water promote corrosion. "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:keudnaDlae3mNunYnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >I just got three gallons of the Zerex G-05 for the TJ, which I plan to >flush & fill this week if it gets above freezing, replacing the Zerex >green. Billy, any advice? (I already have the flush tee installed.) > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:b5b03$457451e4$422afc51$13637@FUSE.NET... >> It is hard to say. Industry publications say that the 'automotive' >> Prestones are all OAT which is what DexCool uses. The Peak marketed >> specifically for DC, Ford and Mercedes is OAT according to the Peak >> website. >> >> Most brands either claim OAT or refuse to reveal what anti corrosive >> package they use. >> >> If you want the old fashioned "Green' coolant it is/was using IAT >> anti-corrosives. The only company I know for sure still makes it is >> Zerex in the white jug. >> >> The new stuff is G-05 (HOAT or Glysantin) spec. I wouldn't use anything >> that doesn't say it contains one or more of these terms in big letters on >> the bottle. I would avoid products that don't list the package used and >> only say things like 'recommended for'. If it meets the G-05 standard >> it will say so clearly. >> >> Wal-Mart used to post MSDS sheets online somewhere, it may well tell you >> who the original manufacturer is and the chemical composition (other than >> the ethylene glycol base) >> >> >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> news:45745947$0$3480$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>>I wonder what is in the WalMart no-name concentrate? It appears to be >>>pale >>> yellow too. They also sell the Prestone 50/50 mix, for the same price >>> as >>> the no-name concentrate. >>> >>> Earle >>> >>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>> news:e0620$4573be4d$422afc51$9785@FUSE.NET... >>>> Zerex G-05 in the aftermarket is pale yellow. >>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...18433873&idx=5 >>>> >>>> In other applications it is: >>>> (http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10) >>>> What vehicles use Zerex G-05 in the factory fill and what is the dye >>> color? >>>> 1984 Mercedes and beyond (light yellow) >>>> 1990 Deere and Company vehicles and beyond (green) >>>> 2001 Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep and beyond (orange) >>>> 2002 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury trucks and SUVS and beyond (yellow) >>>> 2003 Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury automobiles and beyond (yellow) >>>> >>>> You are certainly free to use Prestone, but this is what DC warns you >>>> will >>>> happen: >>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >>>> news:-NOdnQz-NLK3Ke7YnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>> > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the heater >>>> > hoses and completely flushed everything untill clear water came out. >>>> > Here's what's got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone checked it >>> with >>>> > the tester, it was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor was >>>> > reasonably green. Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the Gold >>>> > jug.. >>>> > the coolant was CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use the >>>> > G-05 >>>> > instead of the regular prestone? >>>> > >>>> > Thanks, >>>> > >>>> > Carl >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
3 gallons? What is the capacity of your cooling system?
I used 2 gallons in my 15 quart system which gives me 53.3% = - 43/+267 coverage Maximum coverage is achieved at 68%, greater than that the coverage actually decreases rapidly http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...lant%20Charts/ Be sure to clean the expansion tank also. If you have a layer of slime or scum you may want to use a flush (mild) or cleaner (harsh) solution. It would be worthwhile to be sure the heater core is drained or flushed with distilled water. The minerals in tap water promote corrosion. "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:keudnaDlae3mNunYnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >I just got three gallons of the Zerex G-05 for the TJ, which I plan to >flush & fill this week if it gets above freezing, replacing the Zerex >green. Billy, any advice? (I already have the flush tee installed.) > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:b5b03$457451e4$422afc51$13637@FUSE.NET... >> It is hard to say. Industry publications say that the 'automotive' >> Prestones are all OAT which is what DexCool uses. The Peak marketed >> specifically for DC, Ford and Mercedes is OAT according to the Peak >> website. >> >> Most brands either claim OAT or refuse to reveal what anti corrosive >> package they use. >> >> If you want the old fashioned "Green' coolant it is/was using IAT >> anti-corrosives. The only company I know for sure still makes it is >> Zerex in the white jug. >> >> The new stuff is G-05 (HOAT or Glysantin) spec. I wouldn't use anything >> that doesn't say it contains one or more of these terms in big letters on >> the bottle. I would avoid products that don't list the package used and >> only say things like 'recommended for'. If it meets the G-05 standard >> it will say so clearly. >> >> Wal-Mart used to post MSDS sheets online somewhere, it may well tell you >> who the original manufacturer is and the chemical composition (other than >> the ethylene glycol base) >> >> >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> news:45745947$0$3480$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>>I wonder what is in the WalMart no-name concentrate? It appears to be >>>pale >>> yellow too. They also sell the Prestone 50/50 mix, for the same price >>> as >>> the no-name concentrate. >>> >>> Earle >>> >>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>> news:e0620$4573be4d$422afc51$9785@FUSE.NET... >>>> Zerex G-05 in the aftermarket is pale yellow. >>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...18433873&idx=5 >>>> >>>> In other applications it is: >>>> (http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10) >>>> What vehicles use Zerex G-05 in the factory fill and what is the dye >>> color? >>>> 1984 Mercedes and beyond (light yellow) >>>> 1990 Deere and Company vehicles and beyond (green) >>>> 2001 Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep and beyond (orange) >>>> 2002 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury trucks and SUVS and beyond (yellow) >>>> 2003 Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury automobiles and beyond (yellow) >>>> >>>> You are certainly free to use Prestone, but this is what DC warns you >>>> will >>>> happen: >>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >>>> news:-NOdnQz-NLK3Ke7YnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>> > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the heater >>>> > hoses and completely flushed everything untill clear water came out. >>>> > Here's what's got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone checked it >>> with >>>> > the tester, it was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor was >>>> > reasonably green. Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the Gold >>>> > jug.. >>>> > the coolant was CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use the >>>> > G-05 >>>> > instead of the regular prestone? >>>> > >>>> > Thanks, >>>> > >>>> > Carl >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
3 gallons? What is the capacity of your cooling system?
I used 2 gallons in my 15 quart system which gives me 53.3% = - 43/+267 coverage Maximum coverage is achieved at 68%, greater than that the coverage actually decreases rapidly http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...lant%20Charts/ Be sure to clean the expansion tank also. If you have a layer of slime or scum you may want to use a flush (mild) or cleaner (harsh) solution. It would be worthwhile to be sure the heater core is drained or flushed with distilled water. The minerals in tap water promote corrosion. "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message news:keudnaDlae3mNunYnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >I just got three gallons of the Zerex G-05 for the TJ, which I plan to >flush & fill this week if it gets above freezing, replacing the Zerex >green. Billy, any advice? (I already have the flush tee installed.) > > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message > news:b5b03$457451e4$422afc51$13637@FUSE.NET... >> It is hard to say. Industry publications say that the 'automotive' >> Prestones are all OAT which is what DexCool uses. The Peak marketed >> specifically for DC, Ford and Mercedes is OAT according to the Peak >> website. >> >> Most brands either claim OAT or refuse to reveal what anti corrosive >> package they use. >> >> If you want the old fashioned "Green' coolant it is/was using IAT >> anti-corrosives. The only company I know for sure still makes it is >> Zerex in the white jug. >> >> The new stuff is G-05 (HOAT or Glysantin) spec. I wouldn't use anything >> that doesn't say it contains one or more of these terms in big letters on >> the bottle. I would avoid products that don't list the package used and >> only say things like 'recommended for'. If it meets the G-05 standard >> it will say so clearly. >> >> Wal-Mart used to post MSDS sheets online somewhere, it may well tell you >> who the original manufacturer is and the chemical composition (other than >> the ethylene glycol base) >> >> >> >> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >> news:45745947$0$3480$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>>I wonder what is in the WalMart no-name concentrate? It appears to be >>>pale >>> yellow too. They also sell the Prestone 50/50 mix, for the same price >>> as >>> the no-name concentrate. >>> >>> Earle >>> >>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>> news:e0620$4573be4d$422afc51$9785@FUSE.NET... >>>> Zerex G-05 in the aftermarket is pale yellow. >>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...18433873&idx=5 >>>> >>>> In other applications it is: >>>> (http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10) >>>> What vehicles use Zerex G-05 in the factory fill and what is the dye >>> color? >>>> 1984 Mercedes and beyond (light yellow) >>>> 1990 Deere and Company vehicles and beyond (green) >>>> 2001 Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep and beyond (orange) >>>> 2002 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury trucks and SUVS and beyond (yellow) >>>> 2003 Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury automobiles and beyond (yellow) >>>> >>>> You are certainly free to use Prestone, but this is what DC warns you >>>> will >>>> happen: >>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >>>> news:-NOdnQz-NLK3Ke7YnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>> > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the heater >>>> > hoses and completely flushed everything untill clear water came out. >>>> > Here's what's got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone checked it >>> with >>>> > the tester, it was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor was >>>> > reasonably green. Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the Gold >>>> > jug.. >>>> > the coolant was CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use the >>>> > G-05 >>>> > instead of the regular prestone? >>>> > >>>> > Thanks, >>>> > >>>> > Carl >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
I got a third gallon as well, for emergencies. Capacity is 12 quarts, I
think. 2000TJ, I plan to keep it at a 50-50 mix. Already planned on cleaning the expansion tank. This is my dilemma, the last time I flushed a cooling system myself (not including when the new rad was installed in the TJ in May of 2004, and then I didn't backflush completely) I didn't live where I am now. I have well-water here with lots of iron in it, I am wondering if it would be OK to flush the system with this. I can flush either with straight well water or water that's been through the softener; however considering the softener element is flushed periodically with a brine solution, I think that would be a bad idea. I also plan to replace the rad & heater hoses. "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:8c9be$4574bd85$422afc51$4901@FUSE.NET... >3 gallons? What is the capacity of your cooling system? > > I used 2 gallons in my 15 quart system which gives me 53.3% = - 43/+267 > coverage > > Maximum coverage is achieved at 68%, greater than that the coverage > actually decreases rapidly > > http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...lant%20Charts/ > > Be sure to clean the expansion tank also. If you have a layer of slime or > scum you may want to use a flush (mild) or cleaner (harsh) solution. > > It would be worthwhile to be sure the heater core is drained or flushed > with distilled water. The minerals in tap water promote corrosion. > > > > > > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message > news:keudnaDlae3mNunYnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>I just got three gallons of the Zerex G-05 for the TJ, which I plan to >>flush & fill this week if it gets above freezing, replacing the Zerex >>green. Billy, any advice? (I already have the flush tee installed.) >> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> news:b5b03$457451e4$422afc51$13637@FUSE.NET... >>> It is hard to say. Industry publications say that the 'automotive' >>> Prestones are all OAT which is what DexCool uses. The Peak marketed >>> specifically for DC, Ford and Mercedes is OAT according to the Peak >>> website. >>> >>> Most brands either claim OAT or refuse to reveal what anti corrosive >>> package they use. >>> >>> If you want the old fashioned "Green' coolant it is/was using IAT >>> anti-corrosives. The only company I know for sure still makes it is >>> Zerex in the white jug. >>> >>> The new stuff is G-05 (HOAT or Glysantin) spec. I wouldn't use anything >>> that doesn't say it contains one or more of these terms in big letters >>> on the bottle. I would avoid products that don't list the package used >>> and only say things like 'recommended for'. If it meets the G-05 >>> standard it will say so clearly. >>> >>> Wal-Mart used to post MSDS sheets online somewhere, it may well tell you >>> who the original manufacturer is and the chemical composition (other >>> than the ethylene glycol base) >>> >>> >>> >>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>> news:45745947$0$3480$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>>>I wonder what is in the WalMart no-name concentrate? It appears to be >>>>pale >>>> yellow too. They also sell the Prestone 50/50 mix, for the same price >>>> as >>>> the no-name concentrate. >>>> >>>> Earle >>>> >>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>> news:e0620$4573be4d$422afc51$9785@FUSE.NET... >>>>> Zerex G-05 in the aftermarket is pale yellow. >>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...18433873&idx=5 >>>>> >>>>> In other applications it is: >>>>> (http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10) >>>>> What vehicles use Zerex G-05 in the factory fill and what is the dye >>>> color? >>>>> 1984 Mercedes and beyond (light yellow) >>>>> 1990 Deere and Company vehicles and beyond (green) >>>>> 2001 Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep and beyond (orange) >>>>> 2002 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury trucks and SUVS and beyond (yellow) >>>>> 2003 Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury automobiles and beyond (yellow) >>>>> >>>>> You are certainly free to use Prestone, but this is what DC warns you >>>>> will >>>>> happen: >>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:-NOdnQz-NLK3Ke7YnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>> > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the >>>>> > heater >>>>> > hoses and completely flushed everything untill clear water came out. >>>>> > Here's what's got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone checked it >>>> with >>>>> > the tester, it was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor was >>>>> > reasonably green. Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the Gold >>>>> > jug.. >>>>> > the coolant was CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use the >>>>> > G-05 >>>>> > instead of the regular prestone? >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks, >>>>> > >>>>> > Carl >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
Re: Coolant suprise
I got a third gallon as well, for emergencies. Capacity is 12 quarts, I
think. 2000TJ, I plan to keep it at a 50-50 mix. Already planned on cleaning the expansion tank. This is my dilemma, the last time I flushed a cooling system myself (not including when the new rad was installed in the TJ in May of 2004, and then I didn't backflush completely) I didn't live where I am now. I have well-water here with lots of iron in it, I am wondering if it would be OK to flush the system with this. I can flush either with straight well water or water that's been through the softener; however considering the softener element is flushed periodically with a brine solution, I think that would be a bad idea. I also plan to replace the rad & heater hoses. "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message news:8c9be$4574bd85$422afc51$4901@FUSE.NET... >3 gallons? What is the capacity of your cooling system? > > I used 2 gallons in my 15 quart system which gives me 53.3% = - 43/+267 > coverage > > Maximum coverage is achieved at 68%, greater than that the coverage > actually decreases rapidly > > http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...lant%20Charts/ > > Be sure to clean the expansion tank also. If you have a layer of slime or > scum you may want to use a flush (mild) or cleaner (harsh) solution. > > It would be worthwhile to be sure the heater core is drained or flushed > with distilled water. The minerals in tap water promote corrosion. > > > > > > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message > news:keudnaDlae3mNunYnZ2dnUVZ_sGdnZ2d@comcast.com. .. >>I just got three gallons of the Zerex G-05 for the TJ, which I plan to >>flush & fill this week if it gets above freezing, replacing the Zerex >>green. Billy, any advice? (I already have the flush tee installed.) >> >> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >> news:b5b03$457451e4$422afc51$13637@FUSE.NET... >>> It is hard to say. Industry publications say that the 'automotive' >>> Prestones are all OAT which is what DexCool uses. The Peak marketed >>> specifically for DC, Ford and Mercedes is OAT according to the Peak >>> website. >>> >>> Most brands either claim OAT or refuse to reveal what anti corrosive >>> package they use. >>> >>> If you want the old fashioned "Green' coolant it is/was using IAT >>> anti-corrosives. The only company I know for sure still makes it is >>> Zerex in the white jug. >>> >>> The new stuff is G-05 (HOAT or Glysantin) spec. I wouldn't use anything >>> that doesn't say it contains one or more of these terms in big letters >>> on the bottle. I would avoid products that don't list the package used >>> and only say things like 'recommended for'. If it meets the G-05 >>> standard it will say so clearly. >>> >>> Wal-Mart used to post MSDS sheets online somewhere, it may well tell you >>> who the original manufacturer is and the chemical composition (other >>> than the ethylene glycol base) >>> >>> >>> >>> "Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message >>> news:45745947$0$3480$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... >>>>I wonder what is in the WalMart no-name concentrate? It appears to be >>>>pale >>>> yellow too. They also sell the Prestone 50/50 mix, for the same price >>>> as >>>> the no-name concentrate. >>>> >>>> Earle >>>> >>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message >>>> news:e0620$4573be4d$422afc51$9785@FUSE.NET... >>>>> Zerex G-05 in the aftermarket is pale yellow. >>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...18433873&idx=5 >>>>> >>>>> In other applications it is: >>>>> (http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10) >>>>> What vehicles use Zerex G-05 in the factory fill and what is the dye >>>> color? >>>>> 1984 Mercedes and beyond (light yellow) >>>>> 1990 Deere and Company vehicles and beyond (green) >>>>> 2001 Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep and beyond (orange) >>>>> 2002 Ford, Lincoln and Mercury trucks and SUVS and beyond (yellow) >>>>> 2003 Ford, Lincoln, and Mercury automobiles and beyond (yellow) >>>>> >>>>> You are certainly free to use Prestone, but this is what DC warns you >>>>> will >>>>> happen: >>>>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:-NOdnQz-NLK3Ke7YnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>> > Flushed my coolant today. I put the prestone tee in one of the >>>>> > heater >>>>> > hoses and completely flushed everything untill clear water came out. >>>>> > Here's what's got me baffled... When the guy at Firestone checked it >>>> with >>>>> > the tester, it was brown. The coolant that came out of the motor was >>>>> > reasonably green. Suprise #2: I bought the Zerex G-05 in the Gold >>>>> > jug.. >>>>> > the coolant was CLEAR!! Wierd!! Why is it that you have to use the >>>>> > G-05 >>>>> > instead of the regular prestone? >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks, >>>>> > >>>>> > Carl >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > |
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