Bill, wake up and smell the coffee. Most passenger cars on the road today,
American marks included, are front wheel drive. And I suppose you forget
Saab's offerings, Cadillac Eldorado and seventies GMC motor homes, to name a
few historical non-rice fueled front drive vehicles.

I do remember the first time I topped an icy hill in a front drive vehicle,
planning to use engine braking down the other side. I found out fast, it
doesn't work as well. I forget the year, but it was an air-cooled Honda
600.

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44177A59.8E20A5C3@***.net...
> There's one exception, the front wheel drive rice burner, the
> reason antilock brake system wer invented for their paniced drivers.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >
> > Man, I have to really agree with Mike...I know what he says is a
fact...I
> > live in a Valley in Nova Scotia where we get alot of snow and ice
conditions
> > to contend with and I know for sure when I'm in part time and hit the
brakes
> > on ice my open diff'd TJ will slide side ways every time...unlike my
Grand
> > Cherokee in Full time will follow a straight line everytime....
> >
> > The other thing is, it has to be the tires...after reading this and
running
> > it over and over in my mind and being out on the North Mountain snow
> > wheeling several times since I have a hard time grasping the loss of
> > traction and not using gearing to come down the hills as I do all the
> > time...it really makes me think that it was all a tire problem...I run a
> > good tire!
> >
> > Spdloader are you in an area that receives snow?? what type of Jeep do
you
> > drive??
> >
> > Jeff

 

Bill, wake up and smell the coffee. Most passenger cars on the road today,
American marks included, are front wheel drive. And I suppose you forget
Saab's offerings, Cadillac Eldorado and seventies GMC motor homes, to name a
few historical non-rice fueled front drive vehicles.

I do remember the first time I topped an icy hill in a front drive vehicle,
planning to use engine braking down the other side. I found out fast, it
doesn't work as well. I forget the year, but it was an air-cooled Honda
600.

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44177A59.8E20A5C3@***.net...
> There's one exception, the front wheel drive rice burner, the
> reason antilock brake system wer invented for their paniced drivers.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >
> > Man, I have to really agree with Mike...I know what he says is a
fact...I
> > live in a Valley in Nova Scotia where we get alot of snow and ice
conditions
> > to contend with and I know for sure when I'm in part time and hit the
brakes
> > on ice my open diff'd TJ will slide side ways every time...unlike my
Grand
> > Cherokee in Full time will follow a straight line everytime....
> >
> > The other thing is, it has to be the tires...after reading this and
running
> > it over and over in my mind and being out on the North Mountain snow
> > wheeling several times since I have a hard time grasping the loss of
> > traction and not using gearing to come down the hills as I do all the
> > time...it really makes me think that it was all a tire problem...I run a
> > good tire!
> >
> > Spdloader are you in an area that receives snow?? what type of Jeep do
you
> > drive??
> >
> > Jeff

 

Bill, wake up and smell the coffee. Most passenger cars on the road today,
American marks included, are front wheel drive. And I suppose you forget
Saab's offerings, Cadillac Eldorado and seventies GMC motor homes, to name a
few historical non-rice fueled front drive vehicles.

I do remember the first time I topped an icy hill in a front drive vehicle,
planning to use engine braking down the other side. I found out fast, it
doesn't work as well. I forget the year, but it was an air-cooled Honda
600.

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44177A59.8E20A5C3@***.net...
> There's one exception, the front wheel drive rice burner, the
> reason antilock brake system wer invented for their paniced drivers.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >
> > Man, I have to really agree with Mike...I know what he says is a
fact...I
> > live in a Valley in Nova Scotia where we get alot of snow and ice
conditions
> > to contend with and I know for sure when I'm in part time and hit the
brakes
> > on ice my open diff'd TJ will slide side ways every time...unlike my
Grand
> > Cherokee in Full time will follow a straight line everytime....
> >
> > The other thing is, it has to be the tires...after reading this and
running
> > it over and over in my mind and being out on the North Mountain snow
> > wheeling several times since I have a hard time grasping the loss of
> > traction and not using gearing to come down the hills as I do all the
> > time...it really makes me think that it was all a tire problem...I run a
> > good tire!
> >
> > Spdloader are you in an area that receives snow?? what type of Jeep do
you
> > drive??
> >
> > Jeff

 

That's why I didn't get it.
I said a rolling wheel offered less resistance than one skidding.

Spdloader


"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44179d46$0$22063$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> For once Bill is right about ABS. A wheel that is rolling, and whose
> contact patch is therefore stationary with respect to the road surface,
> grips the road better than one which is sliding. The reason why is
> covered
> in any elementary physics course.
>
> He may be wrong about why people buy ABS though. I suspect that most of
> them don't have a clue, and like paying more for options with
> fancy-sounding
> names.
>
> Earle
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:5lMRf.39222$915.30574@southeast.rr.com...
>> I don't get it.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:4417903B.2613F0E4@***.net...
>> > You said "Rolling wheels offer less resistance than one skidding
>> > sideways." The people that buy Antilock Brake Systems don't think so.
>> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >
>> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ---if you get it stopped, aren't you in control?
>> >>
>> >> ---the vehicle will steer toward the path of least resistance. Rolling
>> >> wheels offer less resistance than one skidding sideways.
>> >>
>> >> ---The original poster was already out of control, he was ALREADY
>> >> sliding.
>> >> I'm not debating how to slow down, but how to regain control once you
>> >> have
>> >> lost it in a slow speed incident. REMEMBER, the OP said he was driving
>> >> slower than walking to start with.
>> >>
>> >> ---You mean, the wheels on the outside of the turn have to turn faster
>> >> because they have farther to travel.
>> >>
>> >> ---I'm sure you've heard the saying "overdriving your brakes"? There
>> >> is
>> >> another regarding inclement weather, called "overdriving your
> traction".
>> >> That is what causes those highway accident's in snow. But, this has
>> >> nothing
>> >> to do with the original post.
>> >>
>> >> ---When you are driving too fast for conditions, abruptly changing the
>> >> wheel
>> >> speed will break traction, whether you do it with the brakes, or with
>> >> gearing.
>> >>
>> >> ---Obvious insult ignored.
>>
>>
>
>

 

That's why I didn't get it.
I said a rolling wheel offered less resistance than one skidding.

Spdloader


"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44179d46$0$22063$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> For once Bill is right about ABS. A wheel that is rolling, and whose
> contact patch is therefore stationary with respect to the road surface,
> grips the road better than one which is sliding. The reason why is
> covered
> in any elementary physics course.
>
> He may be wrong about why people buy ABS though. I suspect that most of
> them don't have a clue, and like paying more for options with
> fancy-sounding
> names.
>
> Earle
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:5lMRf.39222$915.30574@southeast.rr.com...
>> I don't get it.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:4417903B.2613F0E4@***.net...
>> > You said "Rolling wheels offer less resistance than one skidding
>> > sideways." The people that buy Antilock Brake Systems don't think so.
>> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >
>> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ---if you get it stopped, aren't you in control?
>> >>
>> >> ---the vehicle will steer toward the path of least resistance. Rolling
>> >> wheels offer less resistance than one skidding sideways.
>> >>
>> >> ---The original poster was already out of control, he was ALREADY
>> >> sliding.
>> >> I'm not debating how to slow down, but how to regain control once you
>> >> have
>> >> lost it in a slow speed incident. REMEMBER, the OP said he was driving
>> >> slower than walking to start with.
>> >>
>> >> ---You mean, the wheels on the outside of the turn have to turn faster
>> >> because they have farther to travel.
>> >>
>> >> ---I'm sure you've heard the saying "overdriving your brakes"? There
>> >> is
>> >> another regarding inclement weather, called "overdriving your
> traction".
>> >> That is what causes those highway accident's in snow. But, this has
>> >> nothing
>> >> to do with the original post.
>> >>
>> >> ---When you are driving too fast for conditions, abruptly changing the
>> >> wheel
>> >> speed will break traction, whether you do it with the brakes, or with
>> >> gearing.
>> >>
>> >> ---Obvious insult ignored.
>>
>>
>
>

 

That's why I didn't get it.
I said a rolling wheel offered less resistance than one skidding.

Spdloader


"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44179d46$0$22063$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> For once Bill is right about ABS. A wheel that is rolling, and whose
> contact patch is therefore stationary with respect to the road surface,
> grips the road better than one which is sliding. The reason why is
> covered
> in any elementary physics course.
>
> He may be wrong about why people buy ABS though. I suspect that most of
> them don't have a clue, and like paying more for options with
> fancy-sounding
> names.
>
> Earle
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:5lMRf.39222$915.30574@southeast.rr.com...
>> I don't get it.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:4417903B.2613F0E4@***.net...
>> > You said "Rolling wheels offer less resistance than one skidding
>> > sideways." The people that buy Antilock Brake Systems don't think so.
>> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >
>> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ---if you get it stopped, aren't you in control?
>> >>
>> >> ---the vehicle will steer toward the path of least resistance. Rolling
>> >> wheels offer less resistance than one skidding sideways.
>> >>
>> >> ---The original poster was already out of control, he was ALREADY
>> >> sliding.
>> >> I'm not debating how to slow down, but how to regain control once you
>> >> have
>> >> lost it in a slow speed incident. REMEMBER, the OP said he was driving
>> >> slower than walking to start with.
>> >>
>> >> ---You mean, the wheels on the outside of the turn have to turn faster
>> >> because they have farther to travel.
>> >>
>> >> ---I'm sure you've heard the saying "overdriving your brakes"? There
>> >> is
>> >> another regarding inclement weather, called "overdriving your
> traction".
>> >> That is what causes those highway accident's in snow. But, this has
>> >> nothing
>> >> to do with the original post.
>> >>
>> >> ---When you are driving too fast for conditions, abruptly changing the
>> >> wheel
>> >> speed will break traction, whether you do it with the brakes, or with
>> >> gearing.
>> >>
>> >> ---Obvious insult ignored.
>>
>>
>
>

 

That's why I didn't get it.
I said a rolling wheel offered less resistance than one skidding.

Spdloader


"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44179d46$0$22063$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> For once Bill is right about ABS. A wheel that is rolling, and whose
> contact patch is therefore stationary with respect to the road surface,
> grips the road better than one which is sliding. The reason why is
> covered
> in any elementary physics course.
>
> He may be wrong about why people buy ABS though. I suspect that most of
> them don't have a clue, and like paying more for options with
> fancy-sounding
> names.
>
> Earle
>
> "Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:5lMRf.39222$915.30574@southeast.rr.com...
>> I don't get it.
>>
>> Spdloader
>>
>> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:4417903B.2613F0E4@***.net...
>> > You said "Rolling wheels offer less resistance than one skidding
>> > sideways." The people that buy Antilock Brake Systems don't think so.
>> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>> >
>> > Spdloader wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ---if you get it stopped, aren't you in control?
>> >>
>> >> ---the vehicle will steer toward the path of least resistance. Rolling
>> >> wheels offer less resistance than one skidding sideways.
>> >>
>> >> ---The original poster was already out of control, he was ALREADY
>> >> sliding.
>> >> I'm not debating how to slow down, but how to regain control once you
>> >> have
>> >> lost it in a slow speed incident. REMEMBER, the OP said he was driving
>> >> slower than walking to start with.
>> >>
>> >> ---You mean, the wheels on the outside of the turn have to turn faster
>> >> because they have farther to travel.
>> >>
>> >> ---I'm sure you've heard the saying "overdriving your brakes"? There
>> >> is
>> >> another regarding inclement weather, called "overdriving your
> traction".
>> >> That is what causes those highway accident's in snow. But, this has
>> >> nothing
>> >> to do with the original post.
>> >>
>> >> ---When you are driving too fast for conditions, abruptly changing the
>> >> wheel
>> >> speed will break traction, whether you do it with the brakes, or with
>> >> gearing.
>> >>
>> >> ---Obvious insult ignored.
>>
>>
>
>

 

For once Bill is right about ABS. A wheel that is rolling, and whose
contact patch is therefore stationary with respect to the road surface,
grips the road better than one which is sliding. The reason why is covered
in any elementary physics course.

He may be wrong about why people buy ABS though. I suspect that most of
them don't have a clue, and like paying more for options with fancy-sounding
names.

Earle

"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:5lMRf.39222$915.30574@southeast.rr.com...
> I don't get it.
>
> Spdloader
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4417903B.2613F0E4@***.net...
> > You said "Rolling wheels offer less resistance than one skidding
> > sideways." The people that buy Antilock Brake Systems don't think so.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>
> >> ---if you get it stopped, aren't you in control?
> >>
> >> ---the vehicle will steer toward the path of least resistance. Rolling
> >> wheels offer less resistance than one skidding sideways.
> >>
> >> ---The original poster was already out of control, he was ALREADY
> >> sliding.
> >> I'm not debating how to slow down, but how to regain control once you
> >> have
> >> lost it in a slow speed incident. REMEMBER, the OP said he was driving
> >> slower than walking to start with.
> >>
> >> ---You mean, the wheels on the outside of the turn have to turn faster
> >> because they have farther to travel.
> >>
> >> ---I'm sure you've heard the saying "overdriving your brakes"? There is
> >> another regarding inclement weather, called "overdriving your
traction".
> >> That is what causes those highway accident's in snow. But, this has
> >> nothing
> >> to do with the original post.
> >>
> >> ---When you are driving too fast for conditions, abruptly changing the
> >> wheel
> >> speed will break traction, whether you do it with the brakes, or with
> >> gearing.
> >>
> >> ---Obvious insult ignored.
>
>

 

For once Bill is right about ABS. A wheel that is rolling, and whose
contact patch is therefore stationary with respect to the road surface,
grips the road better than one which is sliding. The reason why is covered
in any elementary physics course.

He may be wrong about why people buy ABS though. I suspect that most of
them don't have a clue, and like paying more for options with fancy-sounding
names.

Earle

"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:5lMRf.39222$915.30574@southeast.rr.com...
> I don't get it.
>
> Spdloader
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4417903B.2613F0E4@***.net...
> > You said "Rolling wheels offer less resistance than one skidding
> > sideways." The people that buy Antilock Brake Systems don't think so.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>
> >> ---if you get it stopped, aren't you in control?
> >>
> >> ---the vehicle will steer toward the path of least resistance. Rolling
> >> wheels offer less resistance than one skidding sideways.
> >>
> >> ---The original poster was already out of control, he was ALREADY
> >> sliding.
> >> I'm not debating how to slow down, but how to regain control once you
> >> have
> >> lost it in a slow speed incident. REMEMBER, the OP said he was driving
> >> slower than walking to start with.
> >>
> >> ---You mean, the wheels on the outside of the turn have to turn faster
> >> because they have farther to travel.
> >>
> >> ---I'm sure you've heard the saying "overdriving your brakes"? There is
> >> another regarding inclement weather, called "overdriving your
traction".
> >> That is what causes those highway accident's in snow. But, this has
> >> nothing
> >> to do with the original post.
> >>
> >> ---When you are driving too fast for conditions, abruptly changing the
> >> wheel
> >> speed will break traction, whether you do it with the brakes, or with
> >> gearing.
> >>
> >> ---Obvious insult ignored.
>
>

 

For once Bill is right about ABS. A wheel that is rolling, and whose
contact patch is therefore stationary with respect to the road surface,
grips the road better than one which is sliding. The reason why is covered
in any elementary physics course.

He may be wrong about why people buy ABS though. I suspect that most of
them don't have a clue, and like paying more for options with fancy-sounding
names.

Earle

"Spdloader" <askforit@nospam.triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:5lMRf.39222$915.30574@southeast.rr.com...
> I don't get it.
>
> Spdloader
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4417903B.2613F0E4@***.net...
> > You said "Rolling wheels offer less resistance than one skidding
> > sideways." The people that buy Antilock Brake Systems don't think so.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Spdloader wrote:
> >>
> >> ---if you get it stopped, aren't you in control?
> >>
> >> ---the vehicle will steer toward the path of least resistance. Rolling
> >> wheels offer less resistance than one skidding sideways.
> >>
> >> ---The original poster was already out of control, he was ALREADY
> >> sliding.
> >> I'm not debating how to slow down, but how to regain control once you
> >> have
> >> lost it in a slow speed incident. REMEMBER, the OP said he was driving
> >> slower than walking to start with.
> >>
> >> ---You mean, the wheels on the outside of the turn have to turn faster
> >> because they have farther to travel.
> >>
> >> ---I'm sure you've heard the saying "overdriving your brakes"? There is
> >> another regarding inclement weather, called "overdriving your
traction".
> >> That is what causes those highway accident's in snow. But, this has
> >> nothing
> >> to do with the original post.
> >>
> >> ---When you are driving too fast for conditions, abruptly changing the
> >> wheel
> >> speed will break traction, whether you do it with the brakes, or with
> >> gearing.
> >>
> >> ---Obvious insult ignored.
>
>