You said "Rolling wheels offer less resistance than one skidding
sideways." The people that buy Antilock Brake Systems don't think so.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Spdloader wrote:
>
> ---if you get it stopped, aren't you in control?
>
> ---the vehicle will steer toward the path of least resistance. Rolling
> wheels offer less resistance than one skidding sideways.
>
> ---The original poster was already out of control, he was ALREADY sliding.
> I'm not debating how to slow down, but how to regain control once you have
> lost it in a slow speed incident. REMEMBER, the OP said he was driving
> slower than walking to start with.
>
> ---You mean, the wheels on the outside of the turn have to turn faster
> because they have farther to travel.
>
> ---I'm sure you've heard the saying "overdriving your brakes"? There is
> another regarding inclement weather, called "overdriving your traction".
> That is what causes those highway accident's in snow. But, this has nothing
> to do with the original post.
>
> ---When you are driving too fast for conditions, abruptly changing the wheel
> speed will break traction, whether you do it with the brakes, or with
> gearing.
>
> ---Obvious insult ignored.

 

I don't get it.

Spdloader

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4417903B.2613F0E4@***.net...
> You said "Rolling wheels offer less resistance than one skidding
> sideways." The people that buy Antilock Brake Systems don't think so.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>>
>> ---if you get it stopped, aren't you in control?
>>
>> ---the vehicle will steer toward the path of least resistance. Rolling
>> wheels offer less resistance than one skidding sideways.
>>
>> ---The original poster was already out of control, he was ALREADY
>> sliding.
>> I'm not debating how to slow down, but how to regain control once you
>> have
>> lost it in a slow speed incident. REMEMBER, the OP said he was driving
>> slower than walking to start with.
>>
>> ---You mean, the wheels on the outside of the turn have to turn faster
>> because they have farther to travel.
>>
>> ---I'm sure you've heard the saying "overdriving your brakes"? There is
>> another regarding inclement weather, called "overdriving your traction".
>> That is what causes those highway accident's in snow. But, this has
>> nothing
>> to do with the original post.
>>
>> ---When you are driving too fast for conditions, abruptly changing the
>> wheel
>> speed will break traction, whether you do it with the brakes, or with
>> gearing.
>>
>> ---Obvious insult ignored.

 

I don't get it.

Spdloader

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4417903B.2613F0E4@***.net...
> You said "Rolling wheels offer less resistance than one skidding
> sideways." The people that buy Antilock Brake Systems don't think so.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>>
>> ---if you get it stopped, aren't you in control?
>>
>> ---the vehicle will steer toward the path of least resistance. Rolling
>> wheels offer less resistance than one skidding sideways.
>>
>> ---The original poster was already out of control, he was ALREADY
>> sliding.
>> I'm not debating how to slow down, but how to regain control once you
>> have
>> lost it in a slow speed incident. REMEMBER, the OP said he was driving
>> slower than walking to start with.
>>
>> ---You mean, the wheels on the outside of the turn have to turn faster
>> because they have farther to travel.
>>
>> ---I'm sure you've heard the saying "overdriving your brakes"? There is
>> another regarding inclement weather, called "overdriving your traction".
>> That is what causes those highway accident's in snow. But, this has
>> nothing
>> to do with the original post.
>>
>> ---When you are driving too fast for conditions, abruptly changing the
>> wheel
>> speed will break traction, whether you do it with the brakes, or with
>> gearing.
>>
>> ---Obvious insult ignored.

 

I don't get it.

Spdloader

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4417903B.2613F0E4@***.net...
> You said "Rolling wheels offer less resistance than one skidding
> sideways." The people that buy Antilock Brake Systems don't think so.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>>
>> ---if you get it stopped, aren't you in control?
>>
>> ---the vehicle will steer toward the path of least resistance. Rolling
>> wheels offer less resistance than one skidding sideways.
>>
>> ---The original poster was already out of control, he was ALREADY
>> sliding.
>> I'm not debating how to slow down, but how to regain control once you
>> have
>> lost it in a slow speed incident. REMEMBER, the OP said he was driving
>> slower than walking to start with.
>>
>> ---You mean, the wheels on the outside of the turn have to turn faster
>> because they have farther to travel.
>>
>> ---I'm sure you've heard the saying "overdriving your brakes"? There is
>> another regarding inclement weather, called "overdriving your traction".
>> That is what causes those highway accident's in snow. But, this has
>> nothing
>> to do with the original post.
>>
>> ---When you are driving too fast for conditions, abruptly changing the
>> wheel
>> speed will break traction, whether you do it with the brakes, or with
>> gearing.
>>
>> ---Obvious insult ignored.

 

I don't get it.

Spdloader

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4417903B.2613F0E4@***.net...
> You said "Rolling wheels offer less resistance than one skidding
> sideways." The people that buy Antilock Brake Systems don't think so.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>>
>> ---if you get it stopped, aren't you in control?
>>
>> ---the vehicle will steer toward the path of least resistance. Rolling
>> wheels offer less resistance than one skidding sideways.
>>
>> ---The original poster was already out of control, he was ALREADY
>> sliding.
>> I'm not debating how to slow down, but how to regain control once you
>> have
>> lost it in a slow speed incident. REMEMBER, the OP said he was driving
>> slower than walking to start with.
>>
>> ---You mean, the wheels on the outside of the turn have to turn faster
>> because they have farther to travel.
>>
>> ---I'm sure you've heard the saying "overdriving your brakes"? There is
>> another regarding inclement weather, called "overdriving your traction".
>> That is what causes those highway accident's in snow. But, this has
>> nothing
>> to do with the original post.
>>
>> ---When you are driving too fast for conditions, abruptly changing the
>> wheel
>> speed will break traction, whether you do it with the brakes, or with
>> gearing.
>>
>> ---Obvious insult ignored.

 

Fortunately, Cadillac and other GMs have gone to American
engineered for Americans rear wheel drive:
http://cadillac.jbcarpages.com/STS/2005/
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Bill, wake up and smell the coffee. Most passenger cars on the road today,
> American marks included, are front wheel drive. And I suppose you forget
> Saab's offerings, Cadillac Eldorado and seventies GMC motor homes, to name a
> few historical non-rice fueled front drive vehicles.
>
> I do remember the first time I topped an icy hill in a front drive vehicle,
> planning to use engine braking down the other side. I found out fast, it
> doesn't work as well. I forget the year, but it was an air-cooled Honda
> 600.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:44177A59.8E20A5C3@***.net...
> > There's one exception, the front wheel drive rice burner, the
> > reason antilock brake system wer invented for their paniced drivers.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> > >
> > > Man, I have to really agree with Mike...I know what he says is a
> fact...I
> > > live in a Valley in Nova Scotia where we get alot of snow and ice
> conditions
> > > to contend with and I know for sure when I'm in part time and hit the
> brakes
> > > on ice my open diff'd TJ will slide side ways every time...unlike my
> Grand
> > > Cherokee in Full time will follow a straight line everytime....
> > >
> > > The other thing is, it has to be the tires...after reading this and
> running
> > > it over and over in my mind and being out on the North Mountain snow
> > > wheeling several times since I have a hard time grasping the loss of
> > > traction and not using gearing to come down the hills as I do all the
> > > time...it really makes me think that it was all a tire problem...I run a
> > > good tire!
> > >
> > > Spdloader are you in an area that receives snow?? what type of Jeep do
> you
> > > drive??
> > >
> > > Jeff

 

Fortunately, Cadillac and other GMs have gone to American
engineered for Americans rear wheel drive:
http://cadillac.jbcarpages.com/STS/2005/
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Bill, wake up and smell the coffee. Most passenger cars on the road today,
> American marks included, are front wheel drive. And I suppose you forget
> Saab's offerings, Cadillac Eldorado and seventies GMC motor homes, to name a
> few historical non-rice fueled front drive vehicles.
>
> I do remember the first time I topped an icy hill in a front drive vehicle,
> planning to use engine braking down the other side. I found out fast, it
> doesn't work as well. I forget the year, but it was an air-cooled Honda
> 600.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:44177A59.8E20A5C3@***.net...
> > There's one exception, the front wheel drive rice burner, the
> > reason antilock brake system wer invented for their paniced drivers.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> > >
> > > Man, I have to really agree with Mike...I know what he says is a
> fact...I
> > > live in a Valley in Nova Scotia where we get alot of snow and ice
> conditions
> > > to contend with and I know for sure when I'm in part time and hit the
> brakes
> > > on ice my open diff'd TJ will slide side ways every time...unlike my
> Grand
> > > Cherokee in Full time will follow a straight line everytime....
> > >
> > > The other thing is, it has to be the tires...after reading this and
> running
> > > it over and over in my mind and being out on the North Mountain snow
> > > wheeling several times since I have a hard time grasping the loss of
> > > traction and not using gearing to come down the hills as I do all the
> > > time...it really makes me think that it was all a tire problem...I run a
> > > good tire!
> > >
> > > Spdloader are you in an area that receives snow?? what type of Jeep do
> you
> > > drive??
> > >
> > > Jeff

 

Fortunately, Cadillac and other GMs have gone to American
engineered for Americans rear wheel drive:
http://cadillac.jbcarpages.com/STS/2005/
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Bill, wake up and smell the coffee. Most passenger cars on the road today,
> American marks included, are front wheel drive. And I suppose you forget
> Saab's offerings, Cadillac Eldorado and seventies GMC motor homes, to name a
> few historical non-rice fueled front drive vehicles.
>
> I do remember the first time I topped an icy hill in a front drive vehicle,
> planning to use engine braking down the other side. I found out fast, it
> doesn't work as well. I forget the year, but it was an air-cooled Honda
> 600.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:44177A59.8E20A5C3@***.net...
> > There's one exception, the front wheel drive rice burner, the
> > reason antilock brake system wer invented for their paniced drivers.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> > >
> > > Man, I have to really agree with Mike...I know what he says is a
> fact...I
> > > live in a Valley in Nova Scotia where we get alot of snow and ice
> conditions
> > > to contend with and I know for sure when I'm in part time and hit the
> brakes
> > > on ice my open diff'd TJ will slide side ways every time...unlike my
> Grand
> > > Cherokee in Full time will follow a straight line everytime....
> > >
> > > The other thing is, it has to be the tires...after reading this and
> running
> > > it over and over in my mind and being out on the North Mountain snow
> > > wheeling several times since I have a hard time grasping the loss of
> > > traction and not using gearing to come down the hills as I do all the
> > > time...it really makes me think that it was all a tire problem...I run a
> > > good tire!
> > >
> > > Spdloader are you in an area that receives snow?? what type of Jeep do
> you
> > > drive??
> > >
> > > Jeff

 

Fortunately, Cadillac and other GMs have gone to American
engineered for Americans rear wheel drive:
http://cadillac.jbcarpages.com/STS/2005/
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Bill, wake up and smell the coffee. Most passenger cars on the road today,
> American marks included, are front wheel drive. And I suppose you forget
> Saab's offerings, Cadillac Eldorado and seventies GMC motor homes, to name a
> few historical non-rice fueled front drive vehicles.
>
> I do remember the first time I topped an icy hill in a front drive vehicle,
> planning to use engine braking down the other side. I found out fast, it
> doesn't work as well. I forget the year, but it was an air-cooled Honda
> 600.
>
> Earle
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:44177A59.8E20A5C3@***.net...
> > There's one exception, the front wheel drive rice burner, the
> > reason antilock brake system wer invented for their paniced drivers.
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> > >
> > > Man, I have to really agree with Mike...I know what he says is a
> fact...I
> > > live in a Valley in Nova Scotia where we get alot of snow and ice
> conditions
> > > to contend with and I know for sure when I'm in part time and hit the
> brakes
> > > on ice my open diff'd TJ will slide side ways every time...unlike my
> Grand
> > > Cherokee in Full time will follow a straight line everytime....
> > >
> > > The other thing is, it has to be the tires...after reading this and
> running
> > > it over and over in my mind and being out on the North Mountain snow
> > > wheeling several times since I have a hard time grasping the loss of
> > > traction and not using gearing to come down the hills as I do all the
> > > time...it really makes me think that it was all a tire problem...I run a
> > > good tire!
> > >
> > > Spdloader are you in an area that receives snow?? what type of Jeep do
> you
> > > drive??
> > >
> > > Jeff

 

Bill, wake up and smell the coffee. Most passenger cars on the road today,
American marks included, are front wheel drive. And I suppose you forget
Saab's offerings, Cadillac Eldorado and seventies GMC motor homes, to name a
few historical non-rice fueled front drive vehicles.

I do remember the first time I topped an icy hill in a front drive vehicle,
planning to use engine braking down the other side. I found out fast, it
doesn't work as well. I forget the year, but it was an air-cooled Honda
600.

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44177A59.8E20A5C3@***.net...
> There's one exception, the front wheel drive rice burner, the
> reason antilock brake system wer invented for their paniced drivers.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >
> > Man, I have to really agree with Mike...I know what he says is a
fact...I
> > live in a Valley in Nova Scotia where we get alot of snow and ice
conditions
> > to contend with and I know for sure when I'm in part time and hit the
brakes
> > on ice my open diff'd TJ will slide side ways every time...unlike my
Grand
> > Cherokee in Full time will follow a straight line everytime....
> >
> > The other thing is, it has to be the tires...after reading this and
running
> > it over and over in my mind and being out on the North Mountain snow
> > wheeling several times since I have a hard time grasping the loss of
> > traction and not using gearing to come down the hills as I do all the
> > time...it really makes me think that it was all a tire problem...I run a
> > good tire!
> >
> > Spdloader are you in an area that receives snow?? what type of Jeep do
you
> > drive??
> >
> > Jeff