Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
#141
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
Lloyd Parker leases a Mercedes because he is "fiscally conservative".
Right Lloyd ?
Dave Milne, Scotland
"Lloyd" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
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> On May 23, 12:29 am, who <i...@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> > In article <1179857266.830109.152...@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> >
> > Lloyd <lpar...@emory.edu> wrote:
> > > Oh BS. Chrysler has never competed in the Mercedes market, and nobody
> > > in the market for a Mercedes or BMW would even consider Chrysler.
> >
> > Generally you're correct, but I've heard a number of hemi buyers say
> > they changed from Mercedes to Chrysler because that drive train was
> > almost half the price of the Mercedes.
> >
>
> So? You can get a V8 in a Chevy Impala for less than a Cadillac, or
> in a Crown Vic for less than a Jag.
>
> > However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
>
> You knoweth not of which you speak.
>
> > We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> > the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
>
> You knoweth not of which you speak.
>
Right Lloyd ?
Dave Milne, Scotland
"Lloyd" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
news:1180034822.280912.48870@k79g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
> On May 23, 12:29 am, who <i...@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> > In article <1179857266.830109.152...@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> >
> > Lloyd <lpar...@emory.edu> wrote:
> > > Oh BS. Chrysler has never competed in the Mercedes market, and nobody
> > > in the market for a Mercedes or BMW would even consider Chrysler.
> >
> > Generally you're correct, but I've heard a number of hemi buyers say
> > they changed from Mercedes to Chrysler because that drive train was
> > almost half the price of the Mercedes.
> >
>
> So? You can get a V8 in a Chevy Impala for less than a Cadillac, or
> in a Crown Vic for less than a Jag.
>
> > However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
>
> You knoweth not of which you speak.
>
> > We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> > the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
>
> You knoweth not of which you speak.
>
#142
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
Have you *ever* been in a Mercedes ?? Overpriced and expensive perhaps, but
you can't fault the ride. Certainly not if you come from the US which has a
history of deriving its ride quality from the marine industry and has been
slow to give up cart springs. Wait, that would be logging waggon springs.
Dave Milne, Scotland.
"Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4655f0de$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Mercedes are for rag heads and Europeans. they are ugly, expensive, and
> ride like logging wagons. wayyyy over priced and expensive to get worked
> on. nothing good to say about them. send them all back to Europe or that
> toile in the desert - the Middle East. And while you are at it - have
them
> each tow a BMW - another POS made by a country that cares less about
> pollution than any other. besides france of course. there is a real
> winner.
>
> "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by delusional, illogical
> liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream
media,
> which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up
a
> turd by the clean end."
>
> "Lloyd" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
> news:1180034886.747993.283060@p47g2000hsd.googlegr oups.com...
> > On May 23, 12:52 am, who <i...@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> >> In article <hm6753t47bosr58v9b2aa6k4mfmlakf...@4ax.com>,
> >>
> >> SnoMan <a...@snoman.com> wrote:
> >> > It is going to take more than that, Daimler spent 500 million to sell
> >> > Chyrsler after all the money was spent (most of it went back to
> >> > Chysler Financail) and you do you spend a extra 500 milion to sell a
> >> > company unless it stands to cost you a lot more to keep it. Chysler
> >> > has major labor cost problems and either they reduce them a lot with
> >> > major consesions or they go out of bussiness because there will be no
> >> > 3rd option here.
> >>
> >> DC could afford to pay to dump Chrysler, they sucked cash out of
> >> Chrysler after the take over.
> >
> > That is patently false. Chrysler _had_ no cash.
> >
> >> That Chrysler cash got DC profitable again.
> >>
> >
> > BS. DC was profitable before the merger and except for 1 year, it's
> > been Chrysler dragging down the profits ever since.
> >
> >> DC will still own part of Chrysler so I expect they will still benefit
> >> from Chryslers higher parts volume and lower costs.
> >
> > Yep, those low cost Compass and Caliber interiors.
> >
> >> Also I expect Chrysler will still benefit from what they get from
> >> Mercedes.
> >> So both sides should be happy; at least for a while.
> >
> >
>
>
you can't fault the ride. Certainly not if you come from the US which has a
history of deriving its ride quality from the marine industry and has been
slow to give up cart springs. Wait, that would be logging waggon springs.
Dave Milne, Scotland.
"Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4655f0de$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Mercedes are for rag heads and Europeans. they are ugly, expensive, and
> ride like logging wagons. wayyyy over priced and expensive to get worked
> on. nothing good to say about them. send them all back to Europe or that
> toile in the desert - the Middle East. And while you are at it - have
them
> each tow a BMW - another POS made by a country that cares less about
> pollution than any other. besides france of course. there is a real
> winner.
>
> "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by delusional, illogical
> liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream
media,
> which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up
a
> turd by the clean end."
>
> "Lloyd" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
> news:1180034886.747993.283060@p47g2000hsd.googlegr oups.com...
> > On May 23, 12:52 am, who <i...@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> >> In article <hm6753t47bosr58v9b2aa6k4mfmlakf...@4ax.com>,
> >>
> >> SnoMan <a...@snoman.com> wrote:
> >> > It is going to take more than that, Daimler spent 500 million to sell
> >> > Chyrsler after all the money was spent (most of it went back to
> >> > Chysler Financail) and you do you spend a extra 500 milion to sell a
> >> > company unless it stands to cost you a lot more to keep it. Chysler
> >> > has major labor cost problems and either they reduce them a lot with
> >> > major consesions or they go out of bussiness because there will be no
> >> > 3rd option here.
> >>
> >> DC could afford to pay to dump Chrysler, they sucked cash out of
> >> Chrysler after the take over.
> >
> > That is patently false. Chrysler _had_ no cash.
> >
> >> That Chrysler cash got DC profitable again.
> >>
> >
> > BS. DC was profitable before the merger and except for 1 year, it's
> > been Chrysler dragging down the profits ever since.
> >
> >> DC will still own part of Chrysler so I expect they will still benefit
> >> from Chryslers higher parts volume and lower costs.
> >
> > Yep, those low cost Compass and Caliber interiors.
> >
> >> Also I expect Chrysler will still benefit from what they get from
> >> Mercedes.
> >> So both sides should be happy; at least for a while.
> >
> >
>
>
#143
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
Have you *ever* been in a Mercedes ?? Overpriced and expensive perhaps, but
you can't fault the ride. Certainly not if you come from the US which has a
history of deriving its ride quality from the marine industry and has been
slow to give up cart springs. Wait, that would be logging waggon springs.
Dave Milne, Scotland.
"Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4655f0de$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Mercedes are for rag heads and Europeans. they are ugly, expensive, and
> ride like logging wagons. wayyyy over priced and expensive to get worked
> on. nothing good to say about them. send them all back to Europe or that
> toile in the desert - the Middle East. And while you are at it - have
them
> each tow a BMW - another POS made by a country that cares less about
> pollution than any other. besides france of course. there is a real
> winner.
>
> "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by delusional, illogical
> liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream
media,
> which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up
a
> turd by the clean end."
>
> "Lloyd" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
> news:1180034886.747993.283060@p47g2000hsd.googlegr oups.com...
> > On May 23, 12:52 am, who <i...@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> >> In article <hm6753t47bosr58v9b2aa6k4mfmlakf...@4ax.com>,
> >>
> >> SnoMan <a...@snoman.com> wrote:
> >> > It is going to take more than that, Daimler spent 500 million to sell
> >> > Chyrsler after all the money was spent (most of it went back to
> >> > Chysler Financail) and you do you spend a extra 500 milion to sell a
> >> > company unless it stands to cost you a lot more to keep it. Chysler
> >> > has major labor cost problems and either they reduce them a lot with
> >> > major consesions or they go out of bussiness because there will be no
> >> > 3rd option here.
> >>
> >> DC could afford to pay to dump Chrysler, they sucked cash out of
> >> Chrysler after the take over.
> >
> > That is patently false. Chrysler _had_ no cash.
> >
> >> That Chrysler cash got DC profitable again.
> >>
> >
> > BS. DC was profitable before the merger and except for 1 year, it's
> > been Chrysler dragging down the profits ever since.
> >
> >> DC will still own part of Chrysler so I expect they will still benefit
> >> from Chryslers higher parts volume and lower costs.
> >
> > Yep, those low cost Compass and Caliber interiors.
> >
> >> Also I expect Chrysler will still benefit from what they get from
> >> Mercedes.
> >> So both sides should be happy; at least for a while.
> >
> >
>
>
you can't fault the ride. Certainly not if you come from the US which has a
history of deriving its ride quality from the marine industry and has been
slow to give up cart springs. Wait, that would be logging waggon springs.
Dave Milne, Scotland.
"Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4655f0de$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Mercedes are for rag heads and Europeans. they are ugly, expensive, and
> ride like logging wagons. wayyyy over priced and expensive to get worked
> on. nothing good to say about them. send them all back to Europe or that
> toile in the desert - the Middle East. And while you are at it - have
them
> each tow a BMW - another POS made by a country that cares less about
> pollution than any other. besides france of course. there is a real
> winner.
>
> "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by delusional, illogical
> liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream
media,
> which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up
a
> turd by the clean end."
>
> "Lloyd" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
> news:1180034886.747993.283060@p47g2000hsd.googlegr oups.com...
> > On May 23, 12:52 am, who <i...@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> >> In article <hm6753t47bosr58v9b2aa6k4mfmlakf...@4ax.com>,
> >>
> >> SnoMan <a...@snoman.com> wrote:
> >> > It is going to take more than that, Daimler spent 500 million to sell
> >> > Chyrsler after all the money was spent (most of it went back to
> >> > Chysler Financail) and you do you spend a extra 500 milion to sell a
> >> > company unless it stands to cost you a lot more to keep it. Chysler
> >> > has major labor cost problems and either they reduce them a lot with
> >> > major consesions or they go out of bussiness because there will be no
> >> > 3rd option here.
> >>
> >> DC could afford to pay to dump Chrysler, they sucked cash out of
> >> Chrysler after the take over.
> >
> > That is patently false. Chrysler _had_ no cash.
> >
> >> That Chrysler cash got DC profitable again.
> >>
> >
> > BS. DC was profitable before the merger and except for 1 year, it's
> > been Chrysler dragging down the profits ever since.
> >
> >> DC will still own part of Chrysler so I expect they will still benefit
> >> from Chryslers higher parts volume and lower costs.
> >
> > Yep, those low cost Compass and Caliber interiors.
> >
> >> Also I expect Chrysler will still benefit from what they get from
> >> Mercedes.
> >> So both sides should be happy; at least for a while.
> >
> >
>
>
#144
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
Have you *ever* been in a Mercedes ?? Overpriced and expensive perhaps, but
you can't fault the ride. Certainly not if you come from the US which has a
history of deriving its ride quality from the marine industry and has been
slow to give up cart springs. Wait, that would be logging waggon springs.
Dave Milne, Scotland.
"Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4655f0de$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Mercedes are for rag heads and Europeans. they are ugly, expensive, and
> ride like logging wagons. wayyyy over priced and expensive to get worked
> on. nothing good to say about them. send them all back to Europe or that
> toile in the desert - the Middle East. And while you are at it - have
them
> each tow a BMW - another POS made by a country that cares less about
> pollution than any other. besides france of course. there is a real
> winner.
>
> "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by delusional, illogical
> liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream
media,
> which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up
a
> turd by the clean end."
>
> "Lloyd" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
> news:1180034886.747993.283060@p47g2000hsd.googlegr oups.com...
> > On May 23, 12:52 am, who <i...@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> >> In article <hm6753t47bosr58v9b2aa6k4mfmlakf...@4ax.com>,
> >>
> >> SnoMan <a...@snoman.com> wrote:
> >> > It is going to take more than that, Daimler spent 500 million to sell
> >> > Chyrsler after all the money was spent (most of it went back to
> >> > Chysler Financail) and you do you spend a extra 500 milion to sell a
> >> > company unless it stands to cost you a lot more to keep it. Chysler
> >> > has major labor cost problems and either they reduce them a lot with
> >> > major consesions or they go out of bussiness because there will be no
> >> > 3rd option here.
> >>
> >> DC could afford to pay to dump Chrysler, they sucked cash out of
> >> Chrysler after the take over.
> >
> > That is patently false. Chrysler _had_ no cash.
> >
> >> That Chrysler cash got DC profitable again.
> >>
> >
> > BS. DC was profitable before the merger and except for 1 year, it's
> > been Chrysler dragging down the profits ever since.
> >
> >> DC will still own part of Chrysler so I expect they will still benefit
> >> from Chryslers higher parts volume and lower costs.
> >
> > Yep, those low cost Compass and Caliber interiors.
> >
> >> Also I expect Chrysler will still benefit from what they get from
> >> Mercedes.
> >> So both sides should be happy; at least for a while.
> >
> >
>
>
you can't fault the ride. Certainly not if you come from the US which has a
history of deriving its ride quality from the marine industry and has been
slow to give up cart springs. Wait, that would be logging waggon springs.
Dave Milne, Scotland.
"Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4655f0de$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Mercedes are for rag heads and Europeans. they are ugly, expensive, and
> ride like logging wagons. wayyyy over priced and expensive to get worked
> on. nothing good to say about them. send them all back to Europe or that
> toile in the desert - the Middle East. And while you are at it - have
them
> each tow a BMW - another POS made by a country that cares less about
> pollution than any other. besides france of course. there is a real
> winner.
>
> "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by delusional, illogical
> liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream
media,
> which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up
a
> turd by the clean end."
>
> "Lloyd" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
> news:1180034886.747993.283060@p47g2000hsd.googlegr oups.com...
> > On May 23, 12:52 am, who <i...@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> >> In article <hm6753t47bosr58v9b2aa6k4mfmlakf...@4ax.com>,
> >>
> >> SnoMan <a...@snoman.com> wrote:
> >> > It is going to take more than that, Daimler spent 500 million to sell
> >> > Chyrsler after all the money was spent (most of it went back to
> >> > Chysler Financail) and you do you spend a extra 500 milion to sell a
> >> > company unless it stands to cost you a lot more to keep it. Chysler
> >> > has major labor cost problems and either they reduce them a lot with
> >> > major consesions or they go out of bussiness because there will be no
> >> > 3rd option here.
> >>
> >> DC could afford to pay to dump Chrysler, they sucked cash out of
> >> Chrysler after the take over.
> >
> > That is patently false. Chrysler _had_ no cash.
> >
> >> That Chrysler cash got DC profitable again.
> >>
> >
> > BS. DC was profitable before the merger and except for 1 year, it's
> > been Chrysler dragging down the profits ever since.
> >
> >> DC will still own part of Chrysler so I expect they will still benefit
> >> from Chryslers higher parts volume and lower costs.
> >
> > Yep, those low cost Compass and Caliber interiors.
> >
> >> Also I expect Chrysler will still benefit from what they get from
> >> Mercedes.
> >> So both sides should be happy; at least for a while.
> >
> >
>
>
#145
Guest
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
Have you *ever* been in a Mercedes ?? Overpriced and expensive perhaps, but
you can't fault the ride. Certainly not if you come from the US which has a
history of deriving its ride quality from the marine industry and has been
slow to give up cart springs. Wait, that would be logging waggon springs.
Dave Milne, Scotland.
"Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4655f0de$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Mercedes are for rag heads and Europeans. they are ugly, expensive, and
> ride like logging wagons. wayyyy over priced and expensive to get worked
> on. nothing good to say about them. send them all back to Europe or that
> toile in the desert - the Middle East. And while you are at it - have
them
> each tow a BMW - another POS made by a country that cares less about
> pollution than any other. besides france of course. there is a real
> winner.
>
> "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by delusional, illogical
> liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream
media,
> which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up
a
> turd by the clean end."
>
> "Lloyd" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
> news:1180034886.747993.283060@p47g2000hsd.googlegr oups.com...
> > On May 23, 12:52 am, who <i...@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> >> In article <hm6753t47bosr58v9b2aa6k4mfmlakf...@4ax.com>,
> >>
> >> SnoMan <a...@snoman.com> wrote:
> >> > It is going to take more than that, Daimler spent 500 million to sell
> >> > Chyrsler after all the money was spent (most of it went back to
> >> > Chysler Financail) and you do you spend a extra 500 milion to sell a
> >> > company unless it stands to cost you a lot more to keep it. Chysler
> >> > has major labor cost problems and either they reduce them a lot with
> >> > major consesions or they go out of bussiness because there will be no
> >> > 3rd option here.
> >>
> >> DC could afford to pay to dump Chrysler, they sucked cash out of
> >> Chrysler after the take over.
> >
> > That is patently false. Chrysler _had_ no cash.
> >
> >> That Chrysler cash got DC profitable again.
> >>
> >
> > BS. DC was profitable before the merger and except for 1 year, it's
> > been Chrysler dragging down the profits ever since.
> >
> >> DC will still own part of Chrysler so I expect they will still benefit
> >> from Chryslers higher parts volume and lower costs.
> >
> > Yep, those low cost Compass and Caliber interiors.
> >
> >> Also I expect Chrysler will still benefit from what they get from
> >> Mercedes.
> >> So both sides should be happy; at least for a while.
> >
> >
>
>
you can't fault the ride. Certainly not if you come from the US which has a
history of deriving its ride quality from the marine industry and has been
slow to give up cart springs. Wait, that would be logging waggon springs.
Dave Milne, Scotland.
"Abby.Normal" <Abby.Normal@tx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4655f0de$0$15097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Mercedes are for rag heads and Europeans. they are ugly, expensive, and
> ride like logging wagons. wayyyy over priced and expensive to get worked
> on. nothing good to say about them. send them all back to Europe or that
> toile in the desert - the Middle East. And while you are at it - have
them
> each tow a BMW - another POS made by a country that cares less about
> pollution than any other. besides france of course. there is a real
> winner.
>
> "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by delusional, illogical
> liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream
media,
> which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up
a
> turd by the clean end."
>
> "Lloyd" <lparker@emory.edu> wrote in message
> news:1180034886.747993.283060@p47g2000hsd.googlegr oups.com...
> > On May 23, 12:52 am, who <i...@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> >> In article <hm6753t47bosr58v9b2aa6k4mfmlakf...@4ax.com>,
> >>
> >> SnoMan <a...@snoman.com> wrote:
> >> > It is going to take more than that, Daimler spent 500 million to sell
> >> > Chyrsler after all the money was spent (most of it went back to
> >> > Chysler Financail) and you do you spend a extra 500 milion to sell a
> >> > company unless it stands to cost you a lot more to keep it. Chysler
> >> > has major labor cost problems and either they reduce them a lot with
> >> > major consesions or they go out of bussiness because there will be no
> >> > 3rd option here.
> >>
> >> DC could afford to pay to dump Chrysler, they sucked cash out of
> >> Chrysler after the take over.
> >
> > That is patently false. Chrysler _had_ no cash.
> >
> >> That Chrysler cash got DC profitable again.
> >>
> >
> > BS. DC was profitable before the merger and except for 1 year, it's
> > been Chrysler dragging down the profits ever since.
> >
> >> DC will still own part of Chrysler so I expect they will still benefit
> >> from Chryslers higher parts volume and lower costs.
> >
> > Yep, those low cost Compass and Caliber interiors.
> >
> >> Also I expect Chrysler will still benefit from what they get from
> >> Mercedes.
> >> So both sides should be happy; at least for a while.
> >
> >
>
>
#146
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it? - topic drift
Change it to read "The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany
unless it was expensive..."
People would still buy these cars because they are expensive, or because
other people know they are expensive, no matter the speed limit. "Qué
dirán", you know. A friend fell asleep in 1975 or so, and drove a TVR into
a rock wall. A natural rock wall, part of a mountain in Vermont. The car
looked like hell, but the driver was fine.
You forgot Porsche. "Subarus"? Four wheel drive socker mom station wagons.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:IcO5i.1396$4a.128@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk.. .
> ????
> On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins,
TVRs,
> Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built
in
> countries with speed limits...
> I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't be
> bothered to type more.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
>
> "reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> >
> > >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> > > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany,
are
> not
> > >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
> > >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are
> many
> > >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a
Mercedes.
> But
> > >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so
what
> do I
> > >> know.
> > >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
> > >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
> > >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
> > >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
> > >the very fast moving cars.
> > >
> > >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
> > >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
> > >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
> > >
> > >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
> > >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
> > >never in snow; thankfully.
> >
> > I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
> > German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
> > steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
> > Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
> > still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
> >
> > The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
> > mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
> > sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
> > special.
> >
> > now, back to the main program ...
> >
> > reboot
> >
> >
> > ---
> > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
> > Virus Database (VPS): 000742-1, 05/22/2007
> > Tested on: 5/23/2007 9:50:36 PM
> > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software.
> > http://www.avast.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
unless it was expensive..."
People would still buy these cars because they are expensive, or because
other people know they are expensive, no matter the speed limit. "Qué
dirán", you know. A friend fell asleep in 1975 or so, and drove a TVR into
a rock wall. A natural rock wall, part of a mountain in Vermont. The car
looked like hell, but the driver was fine.
You forgot Porsche. "Subarus"? Four wheel drive socker mom station wagons.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:IcO5i.1396$4a.128@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk.. .
> ????
> On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins,
TVRs,
> Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built
in
> countries with speed limits...
> I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't be
> bothered to type more.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
>
> "reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> >
> > >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> > > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany,
are
> not
> > >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
> > >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are
> many
> > >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a
Mercedes.
> But
> > >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so
what
> do I
> > >> know.
> > >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
> > >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
> > >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
> > >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
> > >the very fast moving cars.
> > >
> > >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
> > >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
> > >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
> > >
> > >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
> > >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
> > >never in snow; thankfully.
> >
> > I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
> > German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
> > steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
> > Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
> > still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
> >
> > The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
> > mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
> > sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
> > special.
> >
> > now, back to the main program ...
> >
> > reboot
> >
> >
> > ---
> > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
> > Virus Database (VPS): 000742-1, 05/22/2007
> > Tested on: 5/23/2007 9:50:36 PM
> > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software.
> > http://www.avast.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
#147
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it? - topic drift
Change it to read "The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany
unless it was expensive..."
People would still buy these cars because they are expensive, or because
other people know they are expensive, no matter the speed limit. "Qué
dirán", you know. A friend fell asleep in 1975 or so, and drove a TVR into
a rock wall. A natural rock wall, part of a mountain in Vermont. The car
looked like hell, but the driver was fine.
You forgot Porsche. "Subarus"? Four wheel drive socker mom station wagons.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:IcO5i.1396$4a.128@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk.. .
> ????
> On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins,
TVRs,
> Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built
in
> countries with speed limits...
> I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't be
> bothered to type more.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
>
> "reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> >
> > >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> > > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany,
are
> not
> > >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
> > >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are
> many
> > >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a
Mercedes.
> But
> > >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so
what
> do I
> > >> know.
> > >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
> > >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
> > >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
> > >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
> > >the very fast moving cars.
> > >
> > >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
> > >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
> > >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
> > >
> > >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
> > >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
> > >never in snow; thankfully.
> >
> > I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
> > German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
> > steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
> > Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
> > still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
> >
> > The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
> > mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
> > sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
> > special.
> >
> > now, back to the main program ...
> >
> > reboot
> >
> >
> > ---
> > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
> > Virus Database (VPS): 000742-1, 05/22/2007
> > Tested on: 5/23/2007 9:50:36 PM
> > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software.
> > http://www.avast.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
unless it was expensive..."
People would still buy these cars because they are expensive, or because
other people know they are expensive, no matter the speed limit. "Qué
dirán", you know. A friend fell asleep in 1975 or so, and drove a TVR into
a rock wall. A natural rock wall, part of a mountain in Vermont. The car
looked like hell, but the driver was fine.
You forgot Porsche. "Subarus"? Four wheel drive socker mom station wagons.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:IcO5i.1396$4a.128@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk.. .
> ????
> On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins,
TVRs,
> Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built
in
> countries with speed limits...
> I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't be
> bothered to type more.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
>
> "reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> >
> > >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> > > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany,
are
> not
> > >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
> > >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are
> many
> > >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a
Mercedes.
> But
> > >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so
what
> do I
> > >> know.
> > >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
> > >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
> > >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
> > >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
> > >the very fast moving cars.
> > >
> > >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
> > >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
> > >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
> > >
> > >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
> > >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
> > >never in snow; thankfully.
> >
> > I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
> > German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
> > steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
> > Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
> > still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
> >
> > The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
> > mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
> > sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
> > special.
> >
> > now, back to the main program ...
> >
> > reboot
> >
> >
> > ---
> > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
> > Virus Database (VPS): 000742-1, 05/22/2007
> > Tested on: 5/23/2007 9:50:36 PM
> > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software.
> > http://www.avast.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
#148
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it? - topic drift
Change it to read "The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany
unless it was expensive..."
People would still buy these cars because they are expensive, or because
other people know they are expensive, no matter the speed limit. "Qué
dirán", you know. A friend fell asleep in 1975 or so, and drove a TVR into
a rock wall. A natural rock wall, part of a mountain in Vermont. The car
looked like hell, but the driver was fine.
You forgot Porsche. "Subarus"? Four wheel drive socker mom station wagons.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:IcO5i.1396$4a.128@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk.. .
> ????
> On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins,
TVRs,
> Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built
in
> countries with speed limits...
> I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't be
> bothered to type more.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
>
> "reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> >
> > >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> > > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany,
are
> not
> > >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
> > >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are
> many
> > >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a
Mercedes.
> But
> > >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so
what
> do I
> > >> know.
> > >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
> > >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
> > >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
> > >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
> > >the very fast moving cars.
> > >
> > >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
> > >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
> > >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
> > >
> > >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
> > >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
> > >never in snow; thankfully.
> >
> > I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
> > German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
> > steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
> > Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
> > still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
> >
> > The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
> > mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
> > sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
> > special.
> >
> > now, back to the main program ...
> >
> > reboot
> >
> >
> > ---
> > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
> > Virus Database (VPS): 000742-1, 05/22/2007
> > Tested on: 5/23/2007 9:50:36 PM
> > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software.
> > http://www.avast.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
unless it was expensive..."
People would still buy these cars because they are expensive, or because
other people know they are expensive, no matter the speed limit. "Qué
dirán", you know. A friend fell asleep in 1975 or so, and drove a TVR into
a rock wall. A natural rock wall, part of a mountain in Vermont. The car
looked like hell, but the driver was fine.
You forgot Porsche. "Subarus"? Four wheel drive socker mom station wagons.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:IcO5i.1396$4a.128@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk.. .
> ????
> On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins,
TVRs,
> Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built
in
> countries with speed limits...
> I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't be
> bothered to type more.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
>
> "reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> >
> > >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> > > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany,
are
> not
> > >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
> > >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are
> many
> > >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a
Mercedes.
> But
> > >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so
what
> do I
> > >> know.
> > >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
> > >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
> > >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
> > >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
> > >the very fast moving cars.
> > >
> > >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
> > >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
> > >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
> > >
> > >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
> > >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
> > >never in snow; thankfully.
> >
> > I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
> > German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
> > steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
> > Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
> > still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
> >
> > The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
> > mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
> > sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
> > special.
> >
> > now, back to the main program ...
> >
> > reboot
> >
> >
> > ---
> > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
> > Virus Database (VPS): 000742-1, 05/22/2007
> > Tested on: 5/23/2007 9:50:36 PM
> > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software.
> > http://www.avast.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
#149
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it? - topic drift
Change it to read "The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany
unless it was expensive..."
People would still buy these cars because they are expensive, or because
other people know they are expensive, no matter the speed limit. "Qué
dirán", you know. A friend fell asleep in 1975 or so, and drove a TVR into
a rock wall. A natural rock wall, part of a mountain in Vermont. The car
looked like hell, but the driver was fine.
You forgot Porsche. "Subarus"? Four wheel drive socker mom station wagons.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:IcO5i.1396$4a.128@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk.. .
> ????
> On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins,
TVRs,
> Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built
in
> countries with speed limits...
> I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't be
> bothered to type more.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
>
> "reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> >
> > >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> > > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany,
are
> not
> > >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
> > >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are
> many
> > >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a
Mercedes.
> But
> > >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so
what
> do I
> > >> know.
> > >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
> > >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
> > >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
> > >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
> > >the very fast moving cars.
> > >
> > >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
> > >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
> > >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
> > >
> > >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
> > >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
> > >never in snow; thankfully.
> >
> > I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
> > German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
> > steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
> > Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
> > still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
> >
> > The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
> > mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
> > sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
> > special.
> >
> > now, back to the main program ...
> >
> > reboot
> >
> >
> > ---
> > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
> > Virus Database (VPS): 000742-1, 05/22/2007
> > Tested on: 5/23/2007 9:50:36 PM
> > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software.
> > http://www.avast.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
unless it was expensive..."
People would still buy these cars because they are expensive, or because
other people know they are expensive, no matter the speed limit. "Qué
dirán", you know. A friend fell asleep in 1975 or so, and drove a TVR into
a rock wall. A natural rock wall, part of a mountain in Vermont. The car
looked like hell, but the driver was fine.
You forgot Porsche. "Subarus"? Four wheel drive socker mom station wagons.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
news:IcO5i.1396$4a.128@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk.. .
> ????
> On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins,
TVRs,
> Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built
in
> countries with speed limits...
> I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't be
> bothered to type more.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
>
> "reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> >
> > >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> > > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany,
are
> not
> > >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
> > >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are
> many
> > >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a
Mercedes.
> But
> > >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so
what
> do I
> > >> know.
> > >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
> > >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
> > >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
> > >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
> > >the very fast moving cars.
> > >
> > >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
> > >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
> > >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
> > >
> > >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
> > >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
> > >never in snow; thankfully.
> >
> > I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
> > German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
> > steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
> > Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
> > still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
> >
> > The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
> > mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
> > sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
> > special.
> >
> > now, back to the main program ...
> >
> > reboot
> >
> >
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it? - topic drift
We get a Subaru Imprezza WRX turbo over here - a 280bhp 4x4 saloon.
I didn't mention Porsche as it's German !
Dave Milne, Scotland
"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
news:4657b611$0$28219$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Change it to read "The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany
> unless it was expensive..."
>
> People would still buy these cars because they are expensive, or because
> other people know they are expensive, no matter the speed limit. "Qué
> dirán", you know. A friend fell asleep in 1975 or so, and drove a TVR
into
> a rock wall. A natural rock wall, part of a mountain in Vermont. The car
> looked like hell, but the driver was fine.
>
> You forgot Porsche. "Subarus"? Four wheel drive socker mom station
wagons.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:IcO5i.1396$4a.128@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk.. .
> > ????
> > On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins,
> TVRs,
> > Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built
> in
> > countries with speed limits...
> > I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't
be
> > bothered to type more.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >
> > "reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> > news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com...
> > > On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> > > > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany,
> are
> > not
> > > >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on
the
> > > >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there
are
> > many
> > > >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a
> Mercedes.
> > But
> > > >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so
> what
> > do I
> > > >> know.
> > > >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else
the
> > > >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
> > > >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are
very
> > > >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
> > > >the very fast moving cars.
> > > >
> > > >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
> > > >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
> > > >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
> > > >
> > > >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy
them
> > > >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
> > > >never in snow; thankfully.
> > >
> > > I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
> > > German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
> > > steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
> > > Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
> > > still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
> > >
> > > The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
> > > mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
> > > sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
> > > special.
> > >
> > > now, back to the main program ...
> > >
> > > reboot
> > >
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I didn't mention Porsche as it's German !
Dave Milne, Scotland
"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
news:4657b611$0$28219$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Change it to read "The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany
> unless it was expensive..."
>
> People would still buy these cars because they are expensive, or because
> other people know they are expensive, no matter the speed limit. "Qué
> dirán", you know. A friend fell asleep in 1975 or so, and drove a TVR
into
> a rock wall. A natural rock wall, part of a mountain in Vermont. The car
> looked like hell, but the driver was fine.
>
> You forgot Porsche. "Subarus"? Four wheel drive socker mom station
wagons.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:IcO5i.1396$4a.128@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk.. .
> > ????
> > On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins,
> TVRs,
> > Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built
> in
> > countries with speed limits...
> > I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't
be
> > bothered to type more.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> >
> > "reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> > news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com...
> > > On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> > > > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany,
> are
> > not
> > > >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on
the
> > > >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there
are
> > many
> > > >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a
> Mercedes.
> > But
> > > >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so
> what
> > do I
> > > >> know.
> > > >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else
the
> > > >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
> > > >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are
very
> > > >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
> > > >the very fast moving cars.
> > > >
> > > >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
> > > >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
> > > >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
> > > >
> > > >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy
them
> > > >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
> > > >never in snow; thankfully.
> > >
> > > I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
> > > German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
> > > steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
> > > Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
> > > still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
> > >
> > > The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
> > > mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
> > > sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
> > > special.
> > >
> > > now, back to the main program ...
> > >
> > > reboot
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
> > > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
> > > Virus Database (VPS): 000742-1, 05/22/2007
> > > Tested on: 5/23/2007 9:50:36 PM
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