Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
#111
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?( or has Wall St Blown America?? )
> The WSJ has no credibility writing about Chrysler at all. All you
> have to do is dig up all those anti-loan-guarantee articles they wrote
> back in '79, '80 and '81 to see that these Wall St. shills are just
> that...shills. A perfect takeover target for a right wing whack job
> like Rupert Murdoch, sure, but any business/financial sagacity?
> Fahgetddaboutit. Remember, it was the WSJ's editorial statements that
> said over and over that Chrysler under Iacocca would fail and the
> cadaver should have been divied up among all the banks holding
> Chrysler Corporation's debt. WSJ also was guilty of false reporting
> even then, repeatedly writing that the Federal loan guarantees were a
> "giveaway." Nothing could've been further from the truth. They
> pulled the same stunt during the Conrail reorganization, and cheered
> when Snow made a severely undervalued bid, championed by "Newt The
> Galoot" Gingrich in the House, to get CR's assets for pennies on the
> taxpayer's dollar.
If anyone cares to think about it, the troubles in this country grow from
Wall Street -
when corporations which had been happily moving along for years making money
and reinvesting it back into new products, research and so on - all of a
sudden had to learn to concern themselves about stock prices, how to TRY to
keep from being the victims of a hostile take over and having years of
profits burned up to light some billionire's cigar, and most importantly how
to keep the market happy and support all the Wall St. silk suited parasites
that have sucked the blood out of and destroyed so many fine American
companies, to line their own greedy pockets.
WHO CARES about how many Americans we put out of work, let's squeeze out
another Gulfstream Bizjet, Custom yacht, Million dollar one bedroom
apartment or $500k sports car for us....
If the people that originally started the NYSE could see it today, they
would most probably be first ashamed at the way it has been corrupted over
the years, and then probably burn it down...
I do hope I don;t appear too harsh =)
Bill
#112
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?( or has Wall St Blown America?? )
> The WSJ has no credibility writing about Chrysler at all. All you
> have to do is dig up all those anti-loan-guarantee articles they wrote
> back in '79, '80 and '81 to see that these Wall St. shills are just
> that...shills. A perfect takeover target for a right wing whack job
> like Rupert Murdoch, sure, but any business/financial sagacity?
> Fahgetddaboutit. Remember, it was the WSJ's editorial statements that
> said over and over that Chrysler under Iacocca would fail and the
> cadaver should have been divied up among all the banks holding
> Chrysler Corporation's debt. WSJ also was guilty of false reporting
> even then, repeatedly writing that the Federal loan guarantees were a
> "giveaway." Nothing could've been further from the truth. They
> pulled the same stunt during the Conrail reorganization, and cheered
> when Snow made a severely undervalued bid, championed by "Newt The
> Galoot" Gingrich in the House, to get CR's assets for pennies on the
> taxpayer's dollar.
If anyone cares to think about it, the troubles in this country grow from
Wall Street -
when corporations which had been happily moving along for years making money
and reinvesting it back into new products, research and so on - all of a
sudden had to learn to concern themselves about stock prices, how to TRY to
keep from being the victims of a hostile take over and having years of
profits burned up to light some billionire's cigar, and most importantly how
to keep the market happy and support all the Wall St. silk suited parasites
that have sucked the blood out of and destroyed so many fine American
companies, to line their own greedy pockets.
WHO CARES about how many Americans we put out of work, let's squeeze out
another Gulfstream Bizjet, Custom yacht, Million dollar one bedroom
apartment or $500k sports car for us....
If the people that originally started the NYSE could see it today, they
would most probably be first ashamed at the way it has been corrupted over
the years, and then probably burn it down...
I do hope I don;t appear too harsh =)
Bill
#113
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?( or has Wall St Blown America?? )
> The WSJ has no credibility writing about Chrysler at all. All you
> have to do is dig up all those anti-loan-guarantee articles they wrote
> back in '79, '80 and '81 to see that these Wall St. shills are just
> that...shills. A perfect takeover target for a right wing whack job
> like Rupert Murdoch, sure, but any business/financial sagacity?
> Fahgetddaboutit. Remember, it was the WSJ's editorial statements that
> said over and over that Chrysler under Iacocca would fail and the
> cadaver should have been divied up among all the banks holding
> Chrysler Corporation's debt. WSJ also was guilty of false reporting
> even then, repeatedly writing that the Federal loan guarantees were a
> "giveaway." Nothing could've been further from the truth. They
> pulled the same stunt during the Conrail reorganization, and cheered
> when Snow made a severely undervalued bid, championed by "Newt The
> Galoot" Gingrich in the House, to get CR's assets for pennies on the
> taxpayer's dollar.
If anyone cares to think about it, the troubles in this country grow from
Wall Street -
when corporations which had been happily moving along for years making money
and reinvesting it back into new products, research and so on - all of a
sudden had to learn to concern themselves about stock prices, how to TRY to
keep from being the victims of a hostile take over and having years of
profits burned up to light some billionire's cigar, and most importantly how
to keep the market happy and support all the Wall St. silk suited parasites
that have sucked the blood out of and destroyed so many fine American
companies, to line their own greedy pockets.
WHO CARES about how many Americans we put out of work, let's squeeze out
another Gulfstream Bizjet, Custom yacht, Million dollar one bedroom
apartment or $500k sports car for us....
If the people that originally started the NYSE could see it today, they
would most probably be first ashamed at the way it has been corrupted over
the years, and then probably burn it down...
I do hope I don;t appear too harsh =)
Bill
#114
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
In article <0U75i.624$As5.591@newsfe12.lga>, "Joe" <Joe@dontspam.net>
wrote:
> "who" <i@notaspammer.net> wrote in message
> news:i-EA2BC7.21294322052007@news.telus.net...
> > In article <1179857266.830109.152360@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> > Lloyd <lparker@emory.edu> wrote:
> >
> > However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> > We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> > the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
>
> Well, you can sure say Mercedes owners don't buy for styling. Mercedes
> hasn't used any. If styling was important, Mercedes would have gone out of
> business 40 years ago.
Yes in the past Mercedes cars were a bit ugly, but you obviously haven't
looked at the recent Mercedes E series of cars.
IMO they are lovely looking.
Mercedes passed on the ugly looks to the Chrysler 300.
wrote:
> "who" <i@notaspammer.net> wrote in message
> news:i-EA2BC7.21294322052007@news.telus.net...
> > In article <1179857266.830109.152360@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> > Lloyd <lparker@emory.edu> wrote:
> >
> > However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> > We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> > the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
>
> Well, you can sure say Mercedes owners don't buy for styling. Mercedes
> hasn't used any. If styling was important, Mercedes would have gone out of
> business 40 years ago.
Yes in the past Mercedes cars were a bit ugly, but you obviously haven't
looked at the recent Mercedes E series of cars.
IMO they are lovely looking.
Mercedes passed on the ugly looks to the Chrysler 300.
#115
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
In article <0U75i.624$As5.591@newsfe12.lga>, "Joe" <Joe@dontspam.net>
wrote:
> "who" <i@notaspammer.net> wrote in message
> news:i-EA2BC7.21294322052007@news.telus.net...
> > In article <1179857266.830109.152360@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> > Lloyd <lparker@emory.edu> wrote:
> >
> > However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> > We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> > the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
>
> Well, you can sure say Mercedes owners don't buy for styling. Mercedes
> hasn't used any. If styling was important, Mercedes would have gone out of
> business 40 years ago.
Yes in the past Mercedes cars were a bit ugly, but you obviously haven't
looked at the recent Mercedes E series of cars.
IMO they are lovely looking.
Mercedes passed on the ugly looks to the Chrysler 300.
wrote:
> "who" <i@notaspammer.net> wrote in message
> news:i-EA2BC7.21294322052007@news.telus.net...
> > In article <1179857266.830109.152360@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> > Lloyd <lparker@emory.edu> wrote:
> >
> > However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> > We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> > the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
>
> Well, you can sure say Mercedes owners don't buy for styling. Mercedes
> hasn't used any. If styling was important, Mercedes would have gone out of
> business 40 years ago.
Yes in the past Mercedes cars were a bit ugly, but you obviously haven't
looked at the recent Mercedes E series of cars.
IMO they are lovely looking.
Mercedes passed on the ugly looks to the Chrysler 300.
#116
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
In article <0U75i.624$As5.591@newsfe12.lga>, "Joe" <Joe@dontspam.net>
wrote:
> "who" <i@notaspammer.net> wrote in message
> news:i-EA2BC7.21294322052007@news.telus.net...
> > In article <1179857266.830109.152360@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> > Lloyd <lparker@emory.edu> wrote:
> >
> > However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> > We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> > the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
>
> Well, you can sure say Mercedes owners don't buy for styling. Mercedes
> hasn't used any. If styling was important, Mercedes would have gone out of
> business 40 years ago.
Yes in the past Mercedes cars were a bit ugly, but you obviously haven't
looked at the recent Mercedes E series of cars.
IMO they are lovely looking.
Mercedes passed on the ugly looks to the Chrysler 300.
wrote:
> "who" <i@notaspammer.net> wrote in message
> news:i-EA2BC7.21294322052007@news.telus.net...
> > In article <1179857266.830109.152360@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> > Lloyd <lparker@emory.edu> wrote:
> >
> > However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> > We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> > the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
>
> Well, you can sure say Mercedes owners don't buy for styling. Mercedes
> hasn't used any. If styling was important, Mercedes would have gone out of
> business 40 years ago.
Yes in the past Mercedes cars were a bit ugly, but you obviously haven't
looked at the recent Mercedes E series of cars.
IMO they are lovely looking.
Mercedes passed on the ugly looks to the Chrysler 300.
#117
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
In article <0U75i.624$As5.591@newsfe12.lga>, "Joe" <Joe@dontspam.net>
wrote:
> "who" <i@notaspammer.net> wrote in message
> news:i-EA2BC7.21294322052007@news.telus.net...
> > In article <1179857266.830109.152360@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> > Lloyd <lparker@emory.edu> wrote:
> >
> > However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> > We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> > the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
>
> Well, you can sure say Mercedes owners don't buy for styling. Mercedes
> hasn't used any. If styling was important, Mercedes would have gone out of
> business 40 years ago.
Yes in the past Mercedes cars were a bit ugly, but you obviously haven't
looked at the recent Mercedes E series of cars.
IMO they are lovely looking.
Mercedes passed on the ugly looks to the Chrysler 300.
wrote:
> "who" <i@notaspammer.net> wrote in message
> news:i-EA2BC7.21294322052007@news.telus.net...
> > In article <1179857266.830109.152360@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> > Lloyd <lparker@emory.edu> wrote:
> >
> > However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> > We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> > the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
>
> Well, you can sure say Mercedes owners don't buy for styling. Mercedes
> hasn't used any. If styling was important, Mercedes would have gone out of
> business 40 years ago.
Yes in the past Mercedes cars were a bit ugly, but you obviously haven't
looked at the recent Mercedes E series of cars.
IMO they are lovely looking.
Mercedes passed on the ugly looks to the Chrysler 300.
#118
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
On May 23, 11:45 pm, "Joe" <J...@dontspam.net> wrote:
> "who" <i...@notaspammer.net> wrote in message
>
> news:i-EA2BC7.21294322052007@news.telus.net...
>
> > In article <1179857266.830109.152...@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> > Lloyd <lpar...@emory.edu> wrote:
>
> > However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> > We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> > the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
>
> Well, you can sure say Mercedes owners don't buy for styling. Mercedes
> hasn't used any. If styling was important, Mercedes would have gone out of
> business 40 years ago.
Geez, what an objective statement. You might inform yourself that
many people consider a number of MB models gorgeous -- especially the
S, CL, SL, and CLS. OTOH, the Compass, Caliber, Charger... need I go
on?
> "who" <i...@notaspammer.net> wrote in message
>
> news:i-EA2BC7.21294322052007@news.telus.net...
>
> > In article <1179857266.830109.152...@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> > Lloyd <lpar...@emory.edu> wrote:
>
> > However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> > We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> > the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
>
> Well, you can sure say Mercedes owners don't buy for styling. Mercedes
> hasn't used any. If styling was important, Mercedes would have gone out of
> business 40 years ago.
Geez, what an objective statement. You might inform yourself that
many people consider a number of MB models gorgeous -- especially the
S, CL, SL, and CLS. OTOH, the Compass, Caliber, Charger... need I go
on?
#119
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
On May 23, 11:45 pm, "Joe" <J...@dontspam.net> wrote:
> "who" <i...@notaspammer.net> wrote in message
>
> news:i-EA2BC7.21294322052007@news.telus.net...
>
> > In article <1179857266.830109.152...@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> > Lloyd <lpar...@emory.edu> wrote:
>
> > However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> > We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> > the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
>
> Well, you can sure say Mercedes owners don't buy for styling. Mercedes
> hasn't used any. If styling was important, Mercedes would have gone out of
> business 40 years ago.
Geez, what an objective statement. You might inform yourself that
many people consider a number of MB models gorgeous -- especially the
S, CL, SL, and CLS. OTOH, the Compass, Caliber, Charger... need I go
on?
> "who" <i...@notaspammer.net> wrote in message
>
> news:i-EA2BC7.21294322052007@news.telus.net...
>
> > In article <1179857266.830109.152...@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> > Lloyd <lpar...@emory.edu> wrote:
>
> > However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> > We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> > the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
>
> Well, you can sure say Mercedes owners don't buy for styling. Mercedes
> hasn't used any. If styling was important, Mercedes would have gone out of
> business 40 years ago.
Geez, what an objective statement. You might inform yourself that
many people consider a number of MB models gorgeous -- especially the
S, CL, SL, and CLS. OTOH, the Compass, Caliber, Charger... need I go
on?
#120
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
On May 23, 11:45 pm, "Joe" <J...@dontspam.net> wrote:
> "who" <i...@notaspammer.net> wrote in message
>
> news:i-EA2BC7.21294322052007@news.telus.net...
>
> > In article <1179857266.830109.152...@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> > Lloyd <lpar...@emory.edu> wrote:
>
> > However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> > We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> > the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
>
> Well, you can sure say Mercedes owners don't buy for styling. Mercedes
> hasn't used any. If styling was important, Mercedes would have gone out of
> business 40 years ago.
Geez, what an objective statement. You might inform yourself that
many people consider a number of MB models gorgeous -- especially the
S, CL, SL, and CLS. OTOH, the Compass, Caliber, Charger... need I go
on?
> "who" <i...@notaspammer.net> wrote in message
>
> news:i-EA2BC7.21294322052007@news.telus.net...
>
> > In article <1179857266.830109.152...@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> > Lloyd <lpar...@emory.edu> wrote:
>
> > However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> > We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> > the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
>
> Well, you can sure say Mercedes owners don't buy for styling. Mercedes
> hasn't used any. If styling was important, Mercedes would have gone out of
> business 40 years ago.
Geez, what an objective statement. You might inform yourself that
many people consider a number of MB models gorgeous -- especially the
S, CL, SL, and CLS. OTOH, the Compass, Caliber, Charger... need I go
on?