Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
There you go again, from the biggest loser of them all! The jealous,
really jealous, I can't believe how jealous this little draft dodging coward
schizophrenic psychopath liar hiding in Vancouver via
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca who's
only way to get attention is to make a fool of it's self. With an obsession
with perverts and goats, where it writes via remailers, and cross posts to
other perverts to no one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my
documents, possessions, successes, manliness and super Southern California
body. Committing forgery over many of them proving I'm a responsible
American man. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with
it's senseless barking, me too, me too. You're even more senile than I first
thought. And the poor thing, you're too girlie to take responsibility for
yourself again, by signing your statement like a man.
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same paragraph
it fits so well!
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really jealous, I can't believe how jealous this little draft dodging coward
schizophrenic psychopath liar hiding in Vancouver via
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca who's
only way to get attention is to make a fool of it's self. With an obsession
with perverts and goats, where it writes via remailers, and cross posts to
other perverts to no one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my
documents, possessions, successes, manliness and super Southern California
body. Committing forgery over many of them proving I'm a responsible
American man. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with
it's senseless barking, me too, me too. You're even more senile than I first
thought. And the poor thing, you're too girlie to take responsibility for
yourself again, by signing your statement like a man.
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same paragraph
it fits so well!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"Shirley U. Jeste" <dontcallmeshirley@anytime.bud> wrote in message
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
There you go again, from the biggest loser of them all! The jealous,
really jealous, I can't believe how jealous this little draft dodging coward
schizophrenic psychopath liar hiding in Vancouver via
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca who's
only way to get attention is to make a fool of it's self. With an obsession
with perverts and goats, where it writes via remailers, and cross posts to
other perverts to no one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my
documents, possessions, successes, manliness and super Southern California
body. Committing forgery over many of them proving I'm a responsible
American man. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with
it's senseless barking, me too, me too. You're even more senile than I first
thought. And the poor thing, you're too girlie to take responsibility for
yourself again, by signing your statement like a man.
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same paragraph
it fits so well!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Shirley U. Jeste" <dontcallmeshirley@anytime.bud> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> Sorry, I forgot 'original' and 'clever'....
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really jealous, I can't believe how jealous this little draft dodging coward
schizophrenic psychopath liar hiding in Vancouver via
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca who's
only way to get attention is to make a fool of it's self. With an obsession
with perverts and goats, where it writes via remailers, and cross posts to
other perverts to no one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my
documents, possessions, successes, manliness and super Southern California
body. Committing forgery over many of them proving I'm a responsible
American man. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with
it's senseless barking, me too, me too. You're even more senile than I first
thought. And the poor thing, you're too girlie to take responsibility for
yourself again, by signing your statement like a man.
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same paragraph
it fits so well!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"Shirley U. Jeste" <dontcallmeshirley@anytime.bud> wrote in message
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> Sorry, I forgot 'original' and 'clever'....
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#193
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
There you go again, from the biggest loser of them all! The jealous,
really jealous, I can't believe how jealous this little draft dodging coward
schizophrenic psychopath liar hiding in Vancouver via
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca who's
only way to get attention is to make a fool of it's self. With an obsession
with perverts and goats, where it writes via remailers, and cross posts to
other perverts to no one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my
documents, possessions, successes, manliness and super Southern California
body. Committing forgery over many of them proving I'm a responsible
American man. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with
it's senseless barking, me too, me too. You're even more senile than I first
thought. And the poor thing, you're too girlie to take responsibility for
yourself again, by signing your statement like a man.
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same paragraph
it fits so well!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"Shirley U. Jeste" <dontcallmeshirley@anytime.bud> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> Sorry, I forgot 'original' and 'clever'....
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really jealous, I can't believe how jealous this little draft dodging coward
schizophrenic psychopath liar hiding in Vancouver via
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca who's
only way to get attention is to make a fool of it's self. With an obsession
with perverts and goats, where it writes via remailers, and cross posts to
other perverts to no one's surprise. With extreme jealous ranting over my
documents, possessions, successes, manliness and super Southern California
body. Committing forgery over many of them proving I'm a responsible
American man. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with
it's senseless barking, me too, me too. You're even more senile than I first
thought. And the poor thing, you're too girlie to take responsibility for
yourself again, by signing your statement like a man.
You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same paragraph
it fits so well!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"Shirley U. Jeste" <dontcallmeshirley@anytime.bud> wrote in message
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> Sorry, I forgot 'original' and 'clever'....
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it? - topic drift
I guess I wasn't too clear - even the mainstream cars in Germany have
to be competent to operate at Vmax otherwise many Germans wouldn't
consider buying them. They have great brakes and good steering and
most of the engines are equipped with engine oil coolers to allow
sustained high speed operation.
The Ferraris, Lambo's A-M etc. you mention aren't mainstream cars but
their sporting capabilities are obvious.
The others you mention tend to be low volume versions of mainstream
models with the requisite go-fast parts added on ...
And the 7L American cars generally don't have good handling and aren't
equipped or tuned for the high speed operation seen in Europe and
especially Germany.
Sorry to bother the group ...
reboot
Detroit (well, nearby)
On Sat, 26 May 2007 03:55:20 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote:
>????
>On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins, TVRs,
>Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built in
>countries with speed limits...
>I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't be
>bothered to type more.
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>
>"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
>news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
>> > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are
>not
>> >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
>> >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are
>many
>> >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes.
>But
>> >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what
>do I
>> >> know.
>> >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
>> >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
>> >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
>> >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
>> >the very fast moving cars.
>> >
>> >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
>> >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
>> >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
>> >
>> >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
>> >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
>> >never in snow; thankfully.
>>
>> I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
>> German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
>> steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
>> Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
>> still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
>>
>> The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
>> mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
>> sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
>> special.
>>
>> now, back to the main program ...
>>
>> reboot
>>
>>
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to be competent to operate at Vmax otherwise many Germans wouldn't
consider buying them. They have great brakes and good steering and
most of the engines are equipped with engine oil coolers to allow
sustained high speed operation.
The Ferraris, Lambo's A-M etc. you mention aren't mainstream cars but
their sporting capabilities are obvious.
The others you mention tend to be low volume versions of mainstream
models with the requisite go-fast parts added on ...
And the 7L American cars generally don't have good handling and aren't
equipped or tuned for the high speed operation seen in Europe and
especially Germany.
Sorry to bother the group ...
reboot
Detroit (well, nearby)
On Sat, 26 May 2007 03:55:20 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote:
>????
>On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins, TVRs,
>Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built in
>countries with speed limits...
>I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't be
>bothered to type more.
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>
>"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
>news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
>> > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are
>not
>> >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
>> >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are
>many
>> >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes.
>But
>> >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what
>do I
>> >> know.
>> >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
>> >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
>> >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
>> >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
>> >the very fast moving cars.
>> >
>> >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
>> >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
>> >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
>> >
>> >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
>> >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
>> >never in snow; thankfully.
>>
>> I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
>> German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
>> steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
>> Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
>> still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
>>
>> The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
>> mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
>> sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
>> special.
>>
>> now, back to the main program ...
>>
>> reboot
>>
>>
>> ---
>> avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
>> Virus Database (VPS): 000742-1, 05/22/2007
>> Tested on: 5/23/2007 9:50:36 PM
>> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software.
>> http://www.avast.com
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#195
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it? - topic drift
I guess I wasn't too clear - even the mainstream cars in Germany have
to be competent to operate at Vmax otherwise many Germans wouldn't
consider buying them. They have great brakes and good steering and
most of the engines are equipped with engine oil coolers to allow
sustained high speed operation.
The Ferraris, Lambo's A-M etc. you mention aren't mainstream cars but
their sporting capabilities are obvious.
The others you mention tend to be low volume versions of mainstream
models with the requisite go-fast parts added on ...
And the 7L American cars generally don't have good handling and aren't
equipped or tuned for the high speed operation seen in Europe and
especially Germany.
Sorry to bother the group ...
reboot
Detroit (well, nearby)
On Sat, 26 May 2007 03:55:20 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote:
>????
>On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins, TVRs,
>Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built in
>countries with speed limits...
>I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't be
>bothered to type more.
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>
>"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
>news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
>> > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are
>not
>> >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
>> >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are
>many
>> >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes.
>But
>> >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what
>do I
>> >> know.
>> >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
>> >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
>> >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
>> >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
>> >the very fast moving cars.
>> >
>> >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
>> >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
>> >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
>> >
>> >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
>> >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
>> >never in snow; thankfully.
>>
>> I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
>> German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
>> steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
>> Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
>> still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
>>
>> The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
>> mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
>> sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
>> special.
>>
>> now, back to the main program ...
>>
>> reboot
>>
>>
>> ---
>> avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
>> Virus Database (VPS): 000742-1, 05/22/2007
>> Tested on: 5/23/2007 9:50:36 PM
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>> http://www.avast.com
>>
>>
>>
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to be competent to operate at Vmax otherwise many Germans wouldn't
consider buying them. They have great brakes and good steering and
most of the engines are equipped with engine oil coolers to allow
sustained high speed operation.
The Ferraris, Lambo's A-M etc. you mention aren't mainstream cars but
their sporting capabilities are obvious.
The others you mention tend to be low volume versions of mainstream
models with the requisite go-fast parts added on ...
And the 7L American cars generally don't have good handling and aren't
equipped or tuned for the high speed operation seen in Europe and
especially Germany.
Sorry to bother the group ...
reboot
Detroit (well, nearby)
On Sat, 26 May 2007 03:55:20 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote:
>????
>On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins, TVRs,
>Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built in
>countries with speed limits...
>I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't be
>bothered to type more.
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>
>"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
>news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
>> > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are
>not
>> >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
>> >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are
>many
>> >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes.
>But
>> >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what
>do I
>> >> know.
>> >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
>> >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
>> >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
>> >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
>> >the very fast moving cars.
>> >
>> >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
>> >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
>> >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
>> >
>> >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
>> >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
>> >never in snow; thankfully.
>>
>> I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
>> German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
>> steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
>> Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
>> still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
>>
>> The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
>> mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
>> sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
>> special.
>>
>> now, back to the main program ...
>>
>> reboot
>>
>>
>> ---
>> avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
>> Virus Database (VPS): 000742-1, 05/22/2007
>> Tested on: 5/23/2007 9:50:36 PM
>> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software.
>> http://www.avast.com
>>
>>
>>
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#196
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it? - topic drift
I guess I wasn't too clear - even the mainstream cars in Germany have
to be competent to operate at Vmax otherwise many Germans wouldn't
consider buying them. They have great brakes and good steering and
most of the engines are equipped with engine oil coolers to allow
sustained high speed operation.
The Ferraris, Lambo's A-M etc. you mention aren't mainstream cars but
their sporting capabilities are obvious.
The others you mention tend to be low volume versions of mainstream
models with the requisite go-fast parts added on ...
And the 7L American cars generally don't have good handling and aren't
equipped or tuned for the high speed operation seen in Europe and
especially Germany.
Sorry to bother the group ...
reboot
Detroit (well, nearby)
On Sat, 26 May 2007 03:55:20 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote:
>????
>On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins, TVRs,
>Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built in
>countries with speed limits...
>I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't be
>bothered to type more.
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>
>"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
>news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
>> > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are
>not
>> >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
>> >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are
>many
>> >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes.
>But
>> >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what
>do I
>> >> know.
>> >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
>> >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
>> >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
>> >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
>> >the very fast moving cars.
>> >
>> >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
>> >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
>> >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
>> >
>> >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
>> >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
>> >never in snow; thankfully.
>>
>> I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
>> German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
>> steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
>> Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
>> still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
>>
>> The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
>> mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
>> sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
>> special.
>>
>> now, back to the main program ...
>>
>> reboot
>>
>>
>> ---
>> avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
>> Virus Database (VPS): 000742-1, 05/22/2007
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to be competent to operate at Vmax otherwise many Germans wouldn't
consider buying them. They have great brakes and good steering and
most of the engines are equipped with engine oil coolers to allow
sustained high speed operation.
The Ferraris, Lambo's A-M etc. you mention aren't mainstream cars but
their sporting capabilities are obvious.
The others you mention tend to be low volume versions of mainstream
models with the requisite go-fast parts added on ...
And the 7L American cars generally don't have good handling and aren't
equipped or tuned for the high speed operation seen in Europe and
especially Germany.
Sorry to bother the group ...
reboot
Detroit (well, nearby)
On Sat, 26 May 2007 03:55:20 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote:
>????
>On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins, TVRs,
>Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built in
>countries with speed limits...
>I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't be
>bothered to type more.
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>
>"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
>news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
>> > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are
>not
>> >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
>> >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are
>many
>> >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes.
>But
>> >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what
>do I
>> >> know.
>> >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
>> >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
>> >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
>> >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
>> >the very fast moving cars.
>> >
>> >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
>> >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
>> >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
>> >
>> >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
>> >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
>> >never in snow; thankfully.
>>
>> I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
>> German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
>> steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
>> Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
>> still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
>>
>> The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
>> mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
>> sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
>> special.
>>
>> now, back to the main program ...
>>
>> reboot
>>
>>
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it? - topic drift
I guess I wasn't too clear - even the mainstream cars in Germany have
to be competent to operate at Vmax otherwise many Germans wouldn't
consider buying them. They have great brakes and good steering and
most of the engines are equipped with engine oil coolers to allow
sustained high speed operation.
The Ferraris, Lambo's A-M etc. you mention aren't mainstream cars but
their sporting capabilities are obvious.
The others you mention tend to be low volume versions of mainstream
models with the requisite go-fast parts added on ...
And the 7L American cars generally don't have good handling and aren't
equipped or tuned for the high speed operation seen in Europe and
especially Germany.
Sorry to bother the group ...
reboot
Detroit (well, nearby)
On Sat, 26 May 2007 03:55:20 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote:
>????
>On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins, TVRs,
>Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built in
>countries with speed limits...
>I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't be
>bothered to type more.
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>
>"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
>news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
>> > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are
>not
>> >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
>> >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are
>many
>> >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes.
>But
>> >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what
>do I
>> >> know.
>> >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
>> >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
>> >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
>> >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
>> >the very fast moving cars.
>> >
>> >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
>> >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
>> >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
>> >
>> >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
>> >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
>> >never in snow; thankfully.
>>
>> I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
>> German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
>> steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
>> Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
>> still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
>>
>> The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
>> mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
>> sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
>> special.
>>
>> now, back to the main program ...
>>
>> reboot
>>
>>
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to be competent to operate at Vmax otherwise many Germans wouldn't
consider buying them. They have great brakes and good steering and
most of the engines are equipped with engine oil coolers to allow
sustained high speed operation.
The Ferraris, Lambo's A-M etc. you mention aren't mainstream cars but
their sporting capabilities are obvious.
The others you mention tend to be low volume versions of mainstream
models with the requisite go-fast parts added on ...
And the 7L American cars generally don't have good handling and aren't
equipped or tuned for the high speed operation seen in Europe and
especially Germany.
Sorry to bother the group ...
reboot
Detroit (well, nearby)
On Sat, 26 May 2007 03:55:20 GMT, "Dave Milne"
<jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote:
>????
>On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins, TVRs,
>Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built in
>countries with speed limits...
>I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't be
>bothered to type more.
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>
>"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
>news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
>> > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are
>not
>> >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
>> >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are
>many
>> >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes.
>But
>> >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what
>do I
>> >> know.
>> >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
>> >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
>> >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
>> >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
>> >the very fast moving cars.
>> >
>> >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
>> >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
>> >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
>> >
>> >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
>> >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
>> >never in snow; thankfully.
>>
>> I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
>> German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
>> steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
>> Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
>> still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
>>
>> The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
>> mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
>> sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
>> special.
>>
>> now, back to the main program ...
>>
>> reboot
>>
>>
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it? - topic drift
I don't agree that the braking or steering is significantly better.
In fact, I've driven some pretty poor handling BMWs and VWs !
Dave Milne, Scotland.
"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:qfbj539b9uv59qomc1cv200jle437r21di@4ax.com...
> I guess I wasn't too clear - even the mainstream cars in Germany have
> to be competent to operate at Vmax otherwise many Germans wouldn't
> consider buying them. They have great brakes and good steering and
> most of the engines are equipped with engine oil coolers to allow
> sustained high speed operation.
>
> The Ferraris, Lambo's A-M etc. you mention aren't mainstream cars but
> their sporting capabilities are obvious.
>
> The others you mention tend to be low volume versions of mainstream
> models with the requisite go-fast parts added on ...
>
> And the 7L American cars generally don't have good handling and aren't
> equipped or tuned for the high speed operation seen in Europe and
> especially Germany.
>
> Sorry to bother the group ...
>
> reboot
> Detroit (well, nearby)
>
> On Sat, 26 May 2007 03:55:20 GMT, "Dave Milne"
> <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote:
>
> >????
> >On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins,
TVRs,
> >Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built
in
> >countries with speed limits...
> >I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't
be
> >bothered to type more.
> >
> >Dave Milne, Scotland
> >
> >"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> >news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> >> > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany,
are
> >not
> >> >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
> >> >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are
> >many
> >> >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a
Mercedes.
> >But
> >> >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so
what
> >do I
> >> >> know.
> >> >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
> >> >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
> >> >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are
very
> >> >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
> >> >the very fast moving cars.
> >> >
> >> >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
> >> >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
> >> >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
> >> >
> >> >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
> >> >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
> >> >never in snow; thankfully.
> >>
> >> I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
> >> German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
> >> steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
> >> Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
> >> still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
> >>
> >> The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
> >> mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
> >> sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
> >> special.
> >>
> >> now, back to the main program ...
> >>
> >> reboot
> >>
> >>
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In fact, I've driven some pretty poor handling BMWs and VWs !
Dave Milne, Scotland.
"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:qfbj539b9uv59qomc1cv200jle437r21di@4ax.com...
> I guess I wasn't too clear - even the mainstream cars in Germany have
> to be competent to operate at Vmax otherwise many Germans wouldn't
> consider buying them. They have great brakes and good steering and
> most of the engines are equipped with engine oil coolers to allow
> sustained high speed operation.
>
> The Ferraris, Lambo's A-M etc. you mention aren't mainstream cars but
> their sporting capabilities are obvious.
>
> The others you mention tend to be low volume versions of mainstream
> models with the requisite go-fast parts added on ...
>
> And the 7L American cars generally don't have good handling and aren't
> equipped or tuned for the high speed operation seen in Europe and
> especially Germany.
>
> Sorry to bother the group ...
>
> reboot
> Detroit (well, nearby)
>
> On Sat, 26 May 2007 03:55:20 GMT, "Dave Milne"
> <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote:
>
> >????
> >On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins,
TVRs,
> >Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built
in
> >countries with speed limits...
> >I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't
be
> >bothered to type more.
> >
> >Dave Milne, Scotland
> >
> >"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> >news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> >> > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany,
are
> >not
> >> >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
> >> >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are
> >many
> >> >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a
Mercedes.
> >But
> >> >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so
what
> >do I
> >> >> know.
> >> >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
> >> >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
> >> >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are
very
> >> >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
> >> >the very fast moving cars.
> >> >
> >> >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
> >> >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
> >> >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
> >> >
> >> >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
> >> >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
> >> >never in snow; thankfully.
> >>
> >> I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
> >> German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
> >> steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
> >> Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
> >> still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
> >>
> >> The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
> >> mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
> >> sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
> >> special.
> >>
> >> now, back to the main program ...
> >>
> >> reboot
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
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> >> Tested on: 5/23/2007 9:50:36 PM
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> >>
> >
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it? - topic drift
I don't agree that the braking or steering is significantly better.
In fact, I've driven some pretty poor handling BMWs and VWs !
Dave Milne, Scotland.
"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:qfbj539b9uv59qomc1cv200jle437r21di@4ax.com...
> I guess I wasn't too clear - even the mainstream cars in Germany have
> to be competent to operate at Vmax otherwise many Germans wouldn't
> consider buying them. They have great brakes and good steering and
> most of the engines are equipped with engine oil coolers to allow
> sustained high speed operation.
>
> The Ferraris, Lambo's A-M etc. you mention aren't mainstream cars but
> their sporting capabilities are obvious.
>
> The others you mention tend to be low volume versions of mainstream
> models with the requisite go-fast parts added on ...
>
> And the 7L American cars generally don't have good handling and aren't
> equipped or tuned for the high speed operation seen in Europe and
> especially Germany.
>
> Sorry to bother the group ...
>
> reboot
> Detroit (well, nearby)
>
> On Sat, 26 May 2007 03:55:20 GMT, "Dave Milne"
> <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote:
>
> >????
> >On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins,
TVRs,
> >Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built
in
> >countries with speed limits...
> >I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't
be
> >bothered to type more.
> >
> >Dave Milne, Scotland
> >
> >"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> >news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> >> > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany,
are
> >not
> >> >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
> >> >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are
> >many
> >> >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a
Mercedes.
> >But
> >> >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so
what
> >do I
> >> >> know.
> >> >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
> >> >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
> >> >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are
very
> >> >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
> >> >the very fast moving cars.
> >> >
> >> >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
> >> >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
> >> >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
> >> >
> >> >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
> >> >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
> >> >never in snow; thankfully.
> >>
> >> I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
> >> German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
> >> steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
> >> Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
> >> still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
> >>
> >> The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
> >> mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
> >> sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
> >> special.
> >>
> >> now, back to the main program ...
> >>
> >> reboot
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
> >> avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
> >> Virus Database (VPS): 000742-1, 05/22/2007
> >> Tested on: 5/23/2007 9:50:36 PM
> >> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software.
> >> http://www.avast.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
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>
In fact, I've driven some pretty poor handling BMWs and VWs !
Dave Milne, Scotland.
"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:qfbj539b9uv59qomc1cv200jle437r21di@4ax.com...
> I guess I wasn't too clear - even the mainstream cars in Germany have
> to be competent to operate at Vmax otherwise many Germans wouldn't
> consider buying them. They have great brakes and good steering and
> most of the engines are equipped with engine oil coolers to allow
> sustained high speed operation.
>
> The Ferraris, Lambo's A-M etc. you mention aren't mainstream cars but
> their sporting capabilities are obvious.
>
> The others you mention tend to be low volume versions of mainstream
> models with the requisite go-fast parts added on ...
>
> And the 7L American cars generally don't have good handling and aren't
> equipped or tuned for the high speed operation seen in Europe and
> especially Germany.
>
> Sorry to bother the group ...
>
> reboot
> Detroit (well, nearby)
>
> On Sat, 26 May 2007 03:55:20 GMT, "Dave Milne"
> <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote:
>
> >????
> >On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins,
TVRs,
> >Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built
in
> >countries with speed limits...
> >I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't
be
> >bothered to type more.
> >
> >Dave Milne, Scotland
> >
> >"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> >news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> >> > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany,
are
> >not
> >> >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
> >> >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are
> >many
> >> >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a
Mercedes.
> >But
> >> >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so
what
> >do I
> >> >> know.
> >> >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
> >> >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
> >> >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are
very
> >> >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
> >> >the very fast moving cars.
> >> >
> >> >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
> >> >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
> >> >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
> >> >
> >> >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
> >> >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
> >> >never in snow; thankfully.
> >>
> >> I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
> >> German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
> >> steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
> >> Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
> >> still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
> >>
> >> The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
> >> mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
> >> sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
> >> special.
> >>
> >> now, back to the main program ...
> >>
> >> reboot
> >>
> >>
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it? - topic drift
I don't agree that the braking or steering is significantly better.
In fact, I've driven some pretty poor handling BMWs and VWs !
Dave Milne, Scotland.
"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:qfbj539b9uv59qomc1cv200jle437r21di@4ax.com...
> I guess I wasn't too clear - even the mainstream cars in Germany have
> to be competent to operate at Vmax otherwise many Germans wouldn't
> consider buying them. They have great brakes and good steering and
> most of the engines are equipped with engine oil coolers to allow
> sustained high speed operation.
>
> The Ferraris, Lambo's A-M etc. you mention aren't mainstream cars but
> their sporting capabilities are obvious.
>
> The others you mention tend to be low volume versions of mainstream
> models with the requisite go-fast parts added on ...
>
> And the 7L American cars generally don't have good handling and aren't
> equipped or tuned for the high speed operation seen in Europe and
> especially Germany.
>
> Sorry to bother the group ...
>
> reboot
> Detroit (well, nearby)
>
> On Sat, 26 May 2007 03:55:20 GMT, "Dave Milne"
> <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote:
>
> >????
> >On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins,
TVRs,
> >Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built
in
> >countries with speed limits...
> >I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't
be
> >bothered to type more.
> >
> >Dave Milne, Scotland
> >
> >"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> >news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> >> > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany,
are
> >not
> >> >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
> >> >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are
> >many
> >> >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a
Mercedes.
> >But
> >> >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so
what
> >do I
> >> >> know.
> >> >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
> >> >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
> >> >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are
very
> >> >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
> >> >the very fast moving cars.
> >> >
> >> >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
> >> >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
> >> >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
> >> >
> >> >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
> >> >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
> >> >never in snow; thankfully.
> >>
> >> I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
> >> German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
> >> steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
> >> Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
> >> still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
> >>
> >> The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
> >> mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
> >> sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
> >> special.
> >>
> >> now, back to the main program ...
> >>
> >> reboot
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
> >> avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
> >> Virus Database (VPS): 000742-1, 05/22/2007
> >> Tested on: 5/23/2007 9:50:36 PM
> >> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software.
> >> http://www.avast.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
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In fact, I've driven some pretty poor handling BMWs and VWs !
Dave Milne, Scotland.
"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:qfbj539b9uv59qomc1cv200jle437r21di@4ax.com...
> I guess I wasn't too clear - even the mainstream cars in Germany have
> to be competent to operate at Vmax otherwise many Germans wouldn't
> consider buying them. They have great brakes and good steering and
> most of the engines are equipped with engine oil coolers to allow
> sustained high speed operation.
>
> The Ferraris, Lambo's A-M etc. you mention aren't mainstream cars but
> their sporting capabilities are obvious.
>
> The others you mention tend to be low volume versions of mainstream
> models with the requisite go-fast parts added on ...
>
> And the 7L American cars generally don't have good handling and aren't
> equipped or tuned for the high speed operation seen in Europe and
> especially Germany.
>
> Sorry to bother the group ...
>
> reboot
> Detroit (well, nearby)
>
> On Sat, 26 May 2007 03:55:20 GMT, "Dave Milne"
> <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote:
>
> >????
> >On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins,
TVRs,
> >Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built
in
> >countries with speed limits...
> >I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't
be
> >bothered to type more.
> >
> >Dave Milne, Scotland
> >
> >"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> >news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> >> > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany,
are
> >not
> >> >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
> >> >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are
> >many
> >> >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a
Mercedes.
> >But
> >> >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so
what
> >do I
> >> >> know.
> >> >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
> >> >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
> >> >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are
very
> >> >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
> >> >the very fast moving cars.
> >> >
> >> >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
> >> >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
> >> >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
> >> >
> >> >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
> >> >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
> >> >never in snow; thankfully.
> >>
> >> I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
> >> German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
> >> steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
> >> Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
> >> still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
> >>
> >> The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
> >> mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
> >> sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
> >> special.
> >>
> >> now, back to the main program ...
> >>
> >> reboot
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
> >> avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
> >> Virus Database (VPS): 000742-1, 05/22/2007
> >> Tested on: 5/23/2007 9:50:36 PM
> >> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software.
> >> http://www.avast.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
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