Re: A case of death wobble today
 

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:19:47 GMT, "Terry Jeffrey"
<twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote:

>It very well might be the steering stabilizer because everything else on the
>front is new. All the steering components and entire front end is new and
>tight and only has about 3,000 miles. Ball joints, tie rod & ends, drag
>link & ends, and steering arms are all new, freshly lubed and tight. I just
>put a Dynatrac D60 up front in October.
>
>I'll do the test you suggest anyway tonight and see what happens. I'll have
>the caster checked too at one of these local garages and shim it up if
>needed. I removed the track bar for now but still got the DW in that same
>damn bump again so I know it wasn't the track bar as first thought. If she
>passes the ball joint and tie rod tests then I'll focus on the old steering
>stabilizer. The stabilizer is currently mounted from the frame to the drag
>link. One fellow today suggested moving the mount to the tie rod instead
>since it is "closer" to the steering.

You know, if the track bar being worn was the cause of the wobble,
removing it wouldn't change anything. If it's already so worn that
there's movement there, imagine the movement if it was gone.
I know that the track bar is critical to this problem on the TJ and
the XJ's with coil spring suspension, but on a leaf spring jeep, even
if it's got square headlights, I don't think it's a contributor.
There are just too many people with leaf spring setups that have
trashed the track bar for more articulation.

--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51

Re: A case of death wobble today
 

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:19:47 GMT, "Terry Jeffrey"
<twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote:

>It very well might be the steering stabilizer because everything else on the
>front is new. All the steering components and entire front end is new and
>tight and only has about 3,000 miles. Ball joints, tie rod & ends, drag
>link & ends, and steering arms are all new, freshly lubed and tight. I just
>put a Dynatrac D60 up front in October.
>
>I'll do the test you suggest anyway tonight and see what happens. I'll have
>the caster checked too at one of these local garages and shim it up if
>needed. I removed the track bar for now but still got the DW in that same
>damn bump again so I know it wasn't the track bar as first thought. If she
>passes the ball joint and tie rod tests then I'll focus on the old steering
>stabilizer. The stabilizer is currently mounted from the frame to the drag
>link. One fellow today suggested moving the mount to the tie rod instead
>since it is "closer" to the steering.

You know, if the track bar being worn was the cause of the wobble,
removing it wouldn't change anything. If it's already so worn that
there's movement there, imagine the movement if it was gone.
I know that the track bar is critical to this problem on the TJ and
the XJ's with coil spring suspension, but on a leaf spring jeep, even
if it's got square headlights, I don't think it's a contributor.
There are just too many people with leaf spring setups that have
trashed the track bar for more articulation.

--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51

Re: A case of death wobble today
 

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:19:47 GMT, "Terry Jeffrey"
<twjeffrey@hotmail.com> wrote:

>It very well might be the steering stabilizer because everything else on the
>front is new. All the steering components and entire front end is new and
>tight and only has about 3,000 miles. Ball joints, tie rod & ends, drag
>link & ends, and steering arms are all new, freshly lubed and tight. I just
>put a Dynatrac D60 up front in October.
>
>I'll do the test you suggest anyway tonight and see what happens. I'll have
>the caster checked too at one of these local garages and shim it up if
>needed. I removed the track bar for now but still got the DW in that same
>damn bump again so I know it wasn't the track bar as first thought. If she
>passes the ball joint and tie rod tests then I'll focus on the old steering
>stabilizer. The stabilizer is currently mounted from the frame to the drag
>link. One fellow today suggested moving the mount to the tie rod instead
>since it is "closer" to the steering.

You know, if the track bar being worn was the cause of the wobble,
removing it wouldn't change anything. If it's already so worn that
there's movement there, imagine the movement if it was gone.
I know that the track bar is critical to this problem on the TJ and
the XJ's with coil spring suspension, but on a leaf spring jeep, even
if it's got square headlights, I don't think it's a contributor.
There are just too many people with leaf spring setups that have
trashed the track bar for more articulation.

--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51

Re: A case of death wobble today
 

Real Jeeps don't have no stinkin' track bar.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Old Crow wrote:
>
> You know, if the track bar being worn was the cause of the wobble,
> removing it wouldn't change anything. If it's already so worn that
> there's movement there, imagine the movement if it was gone.
> I know that the track bar is critical to this problem on the TJ and
> the XJ's with coil spring suspension, but on a leaf spring jeep, even
> if it's got square headlights, I don't think it's a contributor.
> There are just too many people with leaf spring setups that have
> trashed the track bar for more articulation.
>
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
> '95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
> ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
> TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51

Re: A case of death wobble today
 

Real Jeeps don't have no stinkin' track bar.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Old Crow wrote:
>
> You know, if the track bar being worn was the cause of the wobble,
> removing it wouldn't change anything. If it's already so worn that
> there's movement there, imagine the movement if it was gone.
> I know that the track bar is critical to this problem on the TJ and
> the XJ's with coil spring suspension, but on a leaf spring jeep, even
> if it's got square headlights, I don't think it's a contributor.
> There are just too many people with leaf spring setups that have
> trashed the track bar for more articulation.
>
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
> '95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
> ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
> TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51

Re: A case of death wobble today
 

Real Jeeps don't have no stinkin' track bar.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Old Crow wrote:
>
> You know, if the track bar being worn was the cause of the wobble,
> removing it wouldn't change anything. If it's already so worn that
> there's movement there, imagine the movement if it was gone.
> I know that the track bar is critical to this problem on the TJ and
> the XJ's with coil spring suspension, but on a leaf spring jeep, even
> if it's got square headlights, I don't think it's a contributor.
> There are just too many people with leaf spring setups that have
> trashed the track bar for more articulation.
>
> --
> Old Crow
> '82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
> '95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
> ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
> TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51

Re: A case of death wobble today
 

Quit trying to wiggle out of the fact that you give a flippant
answer to the orignal question that could have gotten the OP in
serious trouble. What I thought or knew was immaterial.

If you wish to continue this "discussion" in this public forum
you may. I will continue to repond that your original reply was
incomplete and could have gotten the OP in trouble.

Copy and paste is useful, saves the fingers.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Believe what you want, as I take your opinion for what it's worth.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>>Quit trying to wiggle out of the fact that you give a flippant
>>answer to the orignal question that could have gotten the OP in
>>serious trouble. What I thought or knew was immaterial.
>>
>>If you wish to continue this "discussion" in this public forum
>>you may. I will continue to repond that your original reply was
>>incomplete and could have gotten the OP in trouble.

Re: A case of death wobble today
 

Quit trying to wiggle out of the fact that you give a flippant
answer to the orignal question that could have gotten the OP in
serious trouble. What I thought or knew was immaterial.

If you wish to continue this "discussion" in this public forum
you may. I will continue to repond that your original reply was
incomplete and could have gotten the OP in trouble.

Copy and paste is useful, saves the fingers.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Believe what you want, as I take your opinion for what it's worth.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>>Quit trying to wiggle out of the fact that you give a flippant
>>answer to the orignal question that could have gotten the OP in
>>serious trouble. What I thought or knew was immaterial.
>>
>>If you wish to continue this "discussion" in this public forum
>>you may. I will continue to repond that your original reply was
>>incomplete and could have gotten the OP in trouble.

Re: A case of death wobble today
 

Quit trying to wiggle out of the fact that you give a flippant
answer to the orignal question that could have gotten the OP in
serious trouble. What I thought or knew was immaterial.

If you wish to continue this "discussion" in this public forum
you may. I will continue to repond that your original reply was
incomplete and could have gotten the OP in trouble.

Copy and paste is useful, saves the fingers.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Believe what you want, as I take your opinion for what it's worth.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Roy J wrote:
>
>>Quit trying to wiggle out of the fact that you give a flippant
>>answer to the orignal question that could have gotten the OP in
>>serious trouble. What I thought or knew was immaterial.
>>
>>If you wish to continue this "discussion" in this public forum
>>you may. I will continue to repond that your original reply was
>>incomplete and could have gotten the OP in trouble.

Re: A case of death wobble today
 

But then as it turns out more often than not, Bill was right.

The guy has an old stabilizer shock and it's installed wrong.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Jerry Newton wrote:
>
> Bill, as a "seasoned" mechanic, I certainly expect that you should know the
> mechanic's creedo: Assume Nothing. I am with Roy on this one.
>
> Jerry
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:403690F9.B1DFEBE6@cox.net...
> > Roy, while under there replacing the stabilizer that you know he needs
> > because that's the only way one tire may transfer the shimmy to the the
> > other, you would naturally see anything else that needed replacing, or
> > do you wear a blindfold while work on your car?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Roy J wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill: READ MY PREVIOUS WORDS CAREFULLY
> > >
> > > YOU are the one that suggested changing the stabilizer WITHOUT
> > > checking for the underlying causes. In my mind, that is getting
> > > close to advocating an unsafe fix for a dangerous problem.
> > >
> > > Note that I did not say anything about not replacing a worn
> > > stablizier only that advice about a stablizer should also include
> > > advice/warning to check for the root cause.